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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BBP on October 23, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
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I wish Hitech would work on upgrading some of the middle of the pack planes that would make them competitive with the speed demons.
And I don't mean hiding the rivets on the metal sheeting of the aircraft. I mean make the plane faster by streamlining it. Upgrading the engine. Putting the 12.1 machine guns in place of 7.6 (Numbers?).
We desperately need more planes so we have better choices for battle. And please don't tell me to learn to fly the planes we have. I have done research of just looking at which planes come in first through 12Th place each month. Its the same planes over and over. Why aren't the early war planes built in early 40's restricted from being the main arena? For example the F4U-1, there are only 8 pilots that fly this plane more the 10 times a month. Hundreds never touch it. And the list goes on.
Yes there are a handful of pilots who are good in any plane. But hundreds who won't touch them and are forced to fly the top dozen.
And when you put the top dozen into categories its even worse. Say I want a fast plane the has cannons and can turn well at high speeds. Or I want a fast plane with 50's and flaps that work at 275 MPH.
My point is we should have more planes to chose from in the upper tier group! I wish!
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So your asking for a bunch of "pretend planes" to compete with the planes that are always in the top ten right?
:bhead
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And I don't mean hiding the rivets on the metal sheeting of the aircraft. I mean make the plane faster by streamlining it. Upgrading the engine. Putting the 12.1 machine guns in place of 7.6 (Numbers?).
This game is built on a flight simulator that is designed to simulate the REAL flight characteristics of REAL airplanes. You want to modify these planes to make them something they aren't, or weren't.
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Sigh..
Next!
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Not sure I follow some of the OP's thinking. He complains that early War planes aren't restricted from the MA, because hardly anybody flies them there. But if no one is flying them, why would they need to be restricted from the arena? And the F4U-1 began operating with the Marines in early 1943, so its mid-War plane, not early-War.
At first pass I thought maybe this aircraft could help with what he wants:
(https://i.imgur.com/jS3JpIw.png)
After a second reading though, I'm thinking this might fit his bill:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZWHdaMX.jpg)
But no one is "forced" to fly anything. If you feel forced, its probably a result of the incorrect conclusions you've drawn by observing what everybody else is flying, and your own definition of what fun or success looks like in the game.
Fly a C.205, a P-39Q, a 109G-2, a Yak-7B or the F4U-1. You can be competitive in it if you're smart and fly it to its strengths. Be a part of weakening the Big 12's dominance. In short, be the change you want to see.
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I am totally with the OP. Someone flying a Spit 16 or a Tempest has a totally unfair advantage over someone flying a P-40C. :old:
Actually, ALL fighters should have exactly the same flight and damage model. Different aircraft shapes are just going to be like skins. You get the "P-51" skin for free, additional skins (like a Hurricane, or a P-38) can be bought for just $0.99 each. This levels the playing field, everybody can fly his favourite fighter without being disadvantaged, HTC gets additional money and adding new planes would be so much less of a work. You could even add a MiG 15 or a F-18 without unbalancing the arena! And get rid of the perks!
:bolt:
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People are naturally competive and will usually choose the thing that gives them more of an advantage.
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Let's just make it real simple. One arena with late war Corsair versus late war Zero with two carriers each and no land, one arena with late war Mustang versus late war Dora with two bases each and no water. No land grabs, no ground vehicles, and include air spawns at 30k so we don't have to waste time climbing. Make the fuel burn 0 and unlimited ammo so we can keep fighting until dead. Enable friendly collisions, turn off killshooter, and make collisions blow up both planes.
Get ready for each arena being filled with 1,000 players 24x7.
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People are naturally competive and will usually choose the thing that gives them more of an advantage.
I agree to a certain extent. I mean, I think this is a completely true statement for some people, maybe even most people. But I can't bring myself to fly a Spit 16 or Fw.190D-9, even though I believe those aircraft would give me the best advantage. So in my case there is something other than pure competitiveness at play, more along the lines of feeling like I need to challenge myself by using less-popular, lower-performance planes. Plus I don't feel I can really appreciate or learn the game if I just strap myself into one cockpit all the time - I can't settle down to one airframe for very long. The P-38 was as close as I came to that - a beautiful machine, multipurpose, jack-of-all-trades.
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F4U-1 is the plane he picked to use as an example....bruh that thing is top 15 for 1v1 birds in the game. Just because people don't use it doesn't mean it ain't a beast.
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Another one of these threads?
There are over 100 planes in the game. Each one has the ability to kill something. They may have a disadvantage based upon their real life flight characteristics and loadouts, but they will probably also have some real advantages when it comes to other aspects.
My KI61 is a 35ENY plane -- doesn't mean I don't blast spixteens, las, ponies and other LW beasts out of the air. Sorry, but the pilot is 99% of the fight, the plane is 1%. Try learning ACM and SA -- it'll be quicker than waiting for fake planes to be created for you.
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Yes....I think we need crew modifiers as well, higher roll rate and more accurate guns the more experience credits achieved... that sort of thing. That way the game would ROCK!
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No it would not..
In AH its all up to the player, everyone gets the same planes and its up to you to do the best of it. My success or failure should depend on me only, not by the game deciding how good i should be at shooting or rolling or whatever..
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As an internet society, we really need to implement a sarcasm font.
OP, just no. There are other games that allow you to play Pimp My Plane.
Wiley.
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FAIL!
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Maybe he's frustrated because he dosen't have the perks to fly 262's as often as he can fly spit16's.
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Maybe he's frustrated because he dosen't have the perks to fly 262's as often as he can fly spit16's.
I will take the tempest over the 262 every time and it is dirt cheap and a killer.
I did furbal with a 262 the other day. Now that was fun albeit it did not last long. Man those front slats were popping in and out with every turn.
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No it would not..
In AH its all up to the player, everyone gets the same planes and its up to you to do the best of it. My success or failure should depend on me only, not by the game deciding how good i should be at shooting or rolling or whatever..
I guess sarcasm doesn't work anymore, it is getting harder and harder to satirize anything these days.
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We can make it like NASCAR where everyone is equal. P-51 Mustang-only arena. I'm in!
:aok
:rofl
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The graphics upgrades that various old AH1-era planes have received recently have nothing to do with their flight models. In this era of VR the old AH1 cockpits look pretty hopeless which I'd guess is why HTC are so keen to replace them first. It is likely that the rest of the AH1 era stuff will be upgraded over the next 6 months or so, which means the Ar234, A-20G, Boston, Ju-88A-4, Ki-67, Me 163 and Tempest.
Unless some new flight data comes to light about a particular plane then it is likely that any AH flight model changes would be global, i.e. a revised post-stall or flap lift model. Such a revision might help some planes more than others but it would be unlikely to upset the MA status quo too much. While much of the plane set is not used much in the MA, AH isn't only about that arena and many of these other rides are needed for scenarios.
If HTC were to follow certain other "flight sims" and revise flight models on the basis of play-levelling, national bias or player pressure rather than by historical accuracy then they would lose a lot of their established player base.
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Git gud, son.
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I can't seem to find the picture of the ME-P40 Tigerkitty anywhere... if anyone can help, it was amazing.
Someone slapped a ME262 wings on a P40 fuselage. It actually looked pretty dang hilarious and mean. That was the first thing I thought of with this thread, but alas, I cannot find the pick.
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The author of the OP pointed out a very narrow viewpoint about how the mass majority of players choose to play this game with specific opinion to what the game developers choose to do with enhancements to said game.
Either the author is really new to the game or looking to start an uproar.
1) HiTech decides what he wants to do with the game. We can post all our wishes here but very few ever become reality.
2) Each player pays their $14.95 per month to fly which plane they want and how they play the game.
3) HiTech adds planes and improves existing planes to help out FSO and Scenarios for better balancing.
There are so many planes and vehicles to choose. They all have one thing in common. They are designed to shoot. We know that the Late War inventory far exceeds the Early War inventory.
To the author: How do you play? A lone wolf or with a squad?
If you are a lone wolf, then fly the best of the best to survive. If you fly with a squad, then how does your squad operate in the Melee Arena?
I will give you an example what the Arabian Knights do on our Squad Night. We choose a Hangar Queen (Early War aircraft) and lift off as a group and fly to an enemy airfield for a fighter sweep. We fly against the Late War aircraft never knowing who those players might be and whether they are great or lousy in those birds. Doesn't matter. We have tons of fun in the process. Some of us get shot down but we take a few of them with us.
A good measure for any player in this game would be this. If you can shoot down Late War planes in Melee Arena with an Early War plane, then you might be doing something right. That is my opinion. Each player plays as they want and decide how they value success or failure.
I vote NO to the OP. Keep improving the Early and Mid War planes. Bring in more of them.
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If HTC were to follow certain other "flight sims" and revise flight models on the basis of play-levelling, national bias or player pressure rather than by historical accuracy then they would lose a lot of their established player base.
Not to mention defeating the goal of the game: To simulate the REAL flight characteristics of REAL airplanes.
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I will give you an example what the Arabian Knights do on our Squad Night. We choose a Hangar Queen (Early War aircraft) and lift off as a group and fly to an enemy airfield for a fighter sweep. We fly against the Late War aircraft never knowing who those players might be and whether they are great or lousy in those birds. Doesn't matter. We have tons of fun in the process. Some of us get shot down but we take a few of them with us.
I find that most of the Arabian Knights are dangerous no matter what plane they fly. :salute
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An I-16 with an La-7 engine and 4x 20mm would be pretty cool.
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An I-16 with an La-7 engine and 4x 20mm would be pretty cool.
Don't forget the R.A.T.O. :)
Coogan
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An I-16 with an La-7 engine and 4x 20mm would be pretty cool.
Hell, I'd be happy with a bigger gas tank.
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"Oh noes! My Stuka is to slow and teh gunz suck. Better upgrade too jets and taterz."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/deaf2443c28741659e5ec2c8a13a006a/tumblr_npkz9gF01v1tcucayo1_500.jpg)
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Git gud, son.
:rofl :rofl
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"Oh noes! My Stuka is to slow and teh gunz suck. Better upgrade too jets and taterz."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/deaf2443c28741659e5ec2c8a13a006a/tumblr_npkz9gF01v1tcucayo1_500.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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"Oh noes! My Stuka is to slow and teh gunz suck. Better upgrade too jets and taterz."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/deaf2443c28741659e5ec2c8a13a006a/tumblr_npkz9gF01v1tcucayo1_500.jpg)
OH NOES! It’s a Stuk62!
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"Oh noes! My Stuka is to slow and teh gunz suck. Better upgrade too jets and taterz."
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/deaf2443c28741659e5ec2c8a13a006a/tumblr_npkz9gF01v1tcucayo1_500.jpg)
Stukaschwalbe!
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Did I get them riled up for a new plane? :ahand
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Did I get them riled up for a new plane? :ahand
No you made yourself foolish, congratulations.
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Getting kills in an "inferior plane" is a real blast.
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I wish Hitech would work on upgrading some of the middle of the pack planes that would make them competitive with the speed demons.
And I don't mean hiding the rivets on the metal sheeting of the aircraft. I mean make the plane faster by streamlining it. Upgrading the engine. Putting the 12.1 machine guns in place of 7.6 (Numbers?).
We desperately need more planes so we have better choices for battle. And please don't tell me to learn to fly the planes we have. I have done research of just looking at which planes come in first through 12Th place each month. Its the same planes over and over. Why aren't the early war planes built in early 40's restricted from being the main arena? For example the F4U-1, there are only 8 pilots that fly this plane more the 10 times a month. Hundreds never touch it. And the list goes on.
Yes there are a handful of pilots who are good in any plane. But hundreds who won't touch them and are forced to fly the top dozen.
And when you put the top dozen into categories its even worse. Say I want a fast plane the has cannons and can turn well at high speeds. Or I want a fast plane with 50's and flaps that work at 275 MPH.
My point is we should have more planes to chose from in the upper tier group! I wish!
the planes in this game are as historically correct as can be.
the history of each plane quantity built-flown for each country. there are no fantasy planes in this game.
the only planes restricted from the main arena are the WWI planes.
people fly what they want. It's not HTC's fought if not many people fly the F4U-1 or any other under used plane.
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Getting kills in an "inferior plane" is a real blast.
there are no inferior planes just inferior pilots.
but I know what you mean-early and mid war planes kill a late war plane gets you high perk points
I see pilots land kills in all types of planes, early-mid- and late war planes.
it takes a pilot to make a plane and a plane to make a pilot.
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Posted by: BBP
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Did I get them riled up for a new plane :ahand
:rofl NO :rofl
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The MA is not everything - try flying FSO or some scenarios. Refurbishing ALL rides up to the current standards is hopefully high on their list. Yes, there will always be a large segment of the MA that wants to fly the "uber rides", and that is not going to change. Let them fly what they want to fly because getting a kill on a bad pilot in an uber ride while you are flying a lesser ride is a wonderful rush.
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from what I understand, it is on their list.
but also from what I understand it is a long process per plane type. and many planes may not be upgradeable.. all the research that goes into upgrading a plane, must be horendus. someone said once about upgrading a P-51D. I said to what as far as I know the P-51D is a upgrade from the P-51B. and the D was it during WWII if P51d was up graded during WWII not enough was used for historical usage, like the P-51D. logging off tired starting to blab
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Very interesting :neener:
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I'm sorry your not a happy person Zoney. Now lets see...... I'm foolish but you replied to me. Hmmmmmm..........What would that make you? LOL- I better not go there! Haaa haaaaa haaaaaa :rock :rock :rock
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No one refurbishes the 3D aircraft model today, you go shopping at a 3D professional model site in the prop plane WW2 section. Then your 3D art personnel adjusts it to work in your game engine and creates anything else not part of the purchased package. Something really unique and rare, Waffle may well have to create from scratch, still, there are many existing models of different levels of quality that can be worked with.
At places like these for example:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft
https://www.turbosquid.com
You really did stick your foot in it along with falling into the shark tank and disgusting the sharks when you tried to jump it.
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So - if purchasing a well made 3D model can be had from anywhere from $60 - $600, does maybe fundraising for Aces High to purchase these models an option? I.e. a bunch of us buy 3-5 models as a gift to Waffle?
How much time to it save him in the skinning area if a well made 3D model is purchased instead of made from scratch? Is that what HTC did with the Iowa Battleship class?
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I believe they ask Greebo to skin the default model and what Waffle has on his plate only Hitech knows. The vast majority of these posts try to force Hitech to do what the lynch MOB wants asap after the original poster gets them whipped into a fever pitch. Or subsequent unhappy people looking for an opening to try one more time to leverage Hitech with community pressure and even indirect shaming. Not knowing Hitech's schedule has always lead to assumptions that he is sitting on his thumbs laughing at us instead of hopping to it every time someone barks at him in these forums.
Most of you forget it took 2 years of daily testing to get AH3 out the door and Hitech had spent a year before those 2 laying all the ground work for the new game engine.
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Most of you forget...
No we don't.
Your exposition on 3D modeling was interesting though. I'd always thought it was done entirely in-house.
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Yes....I think we need crew modifiers as well, higher roll rate and more accurate guns the more experience credits achieved... that sort of thing. That way the game would ROCK!
And different races of pilots! All games now have different races a player can choose from, and since AH models historic equipment, we could have historically accurate races with different...
OH WAIT... :uhoh
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So - if purchasing a well made 3D model can be had from anywhere from $60 - $600, does maybe fundraising for Aces High to purchase these models an option? I.e. a bunch of us buy 3-5 models as a gift to Waffle?
How much time to it save him in the skinning area if a well made 3D model is purchased instead of made from scratch? Is that what HTC did with the Iowa Battleship class?
I thought Waffle did the BB himself, that's the impression I got anyway.
More than once I've wondered how kick-starter type programs to fund new 3D model development would fare in AH. Even if you pay for the 3D model and the default skin, HTC still has to develop the flight model and integrate it into the game. Not sure what the time savings in overall a/c development and introduction would be but I suspect developing a flight model is fairly time-consuming.
Still, this seems like an idea worthy of considering and I would most likely contribute additional $$ for a new model I'm interested in seeing in AH.
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At $500 he may well have created it from the ground up himself. At between 70-150$ per plane, getting all the heavy lifting as a package makes sense. And there is a detailed Fletcher class destroyer for about $285. All the Essex class CV I've found are much less detailed than what Waffle upgraded our CV to. If you are a small understaffed company, these prices cut down on a lot of work time for the primary object. And the icing on the cake is how accomplished and talented Waffle is in creating 3D models already. I believe he created the Me410 from scratch because I cannot find any 3D offereings.
In the end there is no way to tell if things are ala Waffle or, purchased from a clearing house of 3D professional art work and modified by Waffle. And the Whirlwind guys will be happy to know there are at least two 3D artists who like it as much as they do...And at Trubosquid, WW2 tanks out the whizzo. WT and WoT may have been good for the 3D modeling industry over the short run. This looks like equipment I've seen there. As for players buying these for HTC, that won't be good when the ride a player donates to HTC dosen't live up to his expectations. Just think of the screeching and insulting accusations that post will be full of.
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/battleship-missouri-ship-3d-model/463182
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/uss-class-max/342110
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/westland-whirlwind-mk-1
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-westland-whirlwind-british-fighter/797827
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-tank-destroyer-m36-jackson/838630
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/tiger-p---elefant-3d-1158424
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-of-britain-cruiser-wwii-tank/763838
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/max-1-kv-tanks-soviet/694878
Does this look familiar, makes me think Mr. Waffle is a 3D genius.
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/british-heavy-bomber-avro-lancaster-3d-max/832847
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That Whirlwind is sweet!
But I have a very reliable source that leaked HTC's secret plan for a Whirlwind+Beaufighter combo release... hush hush! :lipsrsealed:
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That Whirlwind is sweet!
But I have a very reliable source that leaked HTC's secret plan for a Whirlwind+Beaufighter combo release... hush hush! :lipsrsealed:
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/bristol-beaufighter-mk-10
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/aircraft/historic/westland-whirlwind-mk-1