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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Traveler on November 19, 2017, 10:02:06 AM
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Last knight, 11/18, prime time. I flew for three hours, the only check sixes I received was from my own squad members. I'm flying on a mission to kill VH in support of V66, in a Heavy P38L, I'm above 15K, another Knight in a spit14 is on the deck, running from a spit14. He's calling out for help asked me to help him, pleads with me. I turn in on the nme spit and I tell the Knight that I can only bounce the guy, you will need to help me kill him. He says sure, I hold my ords and bounce the spit14, and I attempt to bring guns to bare, only to see my team mate, continue on his run to the nearest Knight base. Now I got to dump my ords to fight this spit and it doesn't go well, I waited much to long to dump the ords. Next while fighting in a sustained dogfight with a Rook P38L at V66, I'm in my P38G. He's doing vertical loops, I'm working him, got his port engine smoking, he's continuing in his vertical loop and I'm adding lots of flap and bring my nose up on target and hitting him with my 50's and start to open up with my cannon and some Knight clown cuts in front of me, he kills the 38 and I get killed by my own stream of cannon hitting this clown, Shot myself down. In my 20 minutes in the area of V66 I got no friendly check 6's from other Knights although I gave a bunch, a lot by key and some on the common radio when the Knight hicks shut up long enough to allow others to use the radio. You long winded story tellers please invite those that want to hear "how great a french kisser you mom is" to a separate channel so that Knights actually playing the game in the battle, can communicate.
End of whine.
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Nice story T. It's a tough world out there. When I fly, I fly Bish. Not that I'm saying it will fix your issues. I fly with lower expectations, yet still play with the golden rule. Sounds like you did your part. :salute
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You long winded story tellers please invite those that want to hear "how great a french kisser you mom is"
:eek:
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Rule # 1. You can't ever expect anything in the MA.
Kill quickly and get out of the fight.
Don't expect other players to do anything, that goes for any side or team you play with.
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Check 6
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There is soooo much less co-operation in this game any more. It's all about getting kills, adding points to score totals, or hiding in the horde. We have these so called top pilots who are only there because they excel at picking and running. Two of these guys pounded the crap out of a newbie last night (6 kills for one, 4 kills for the other) and the newb logged most likely never to be seen again.
In Travelers story, spit dweeb couldnt stand the thought that he may lose a fight and so sacrificed Traveler and his mission for his own gain. Second fight, picker waits until the guys has been beaten down to a no win situation and picks the free kill. It is becoming the norm. I always think it would be so funny if we all "played" this way. We would all be circling around and waiting for someone else to engage so we could safely pick one guy and run..... wouldnt that be fun :rolleyes:
Traveler, its the same on all sides. The game has lost its direction and been taken over by the gamers of the game.
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Traveler, its the same on all sides. The game has lost its direction and been taken over by the gamers of the game.
Perhaps our time has past, the game has reached the point of not being fun. I've been here since the start and what's left of our squad, all three of us have about reached the end of the road. We are down to only playing once a week for a few hours and we stopped running missions about a year ago. We would invite and nobody would join. It was a great game at one time. It's at the point where if any one of us left the game the other two would follow. We had hoped that a new influx of numbers would help, but I no longer think that will happen, play is just to dweebish. I game continues it's downhill slid.
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I give as many check 6s as I can but don't expect any in return. I honestly give check 6s more now because it helps with my traffic calls at work....keeps me on my toes.
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There's a "check 6" key or button? :airplane:
I use vox 6 only actually. All that cycling is a PITA.
As for stats. Pretty much all the top end are just vulch, pounce already engaged eny and zero attack base types. Basically just worthless.
As for which side is the worst. I play different country each week for the most part and so far the Knights are it for sure.
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The game has lost its direction and been taken over by the gamers of the game.
You geezers are having senior moments. Do you remember when some of the players would follow a flaming plane to the ground, pouring lead into it so that they would get the kill? The first time anything in AH made me angry was when some turkey complained that I hadn't given him a check-six. That was no later than 2003. We've had Horde Tuesdays, whack-a-mole tactics, mega-squads shooting up the town on a Saturday night...none of the current complaints are remotely original.
- oldman (well, back in my day, nice girls didn't do things like that...)
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There's a "check 6" key or button? :airplane:
I use vox 6 only actually. All that cycling is a PITA.
As for stats. Pretty much all the top end are just vulch, pounce already engaged eny and zero attack base types. Basically just worthless.
As for which side is the worst. I play different country each week for the most part and so far the Knights are it for sure.
I'm totally that way as well. If I see something dropping on you I'll yell out on the range channel - it is much quicker.
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You geezers are having senior moments. Do you remember when some of the players would follow a flaming plane to the ground, pouring lead into it so that they would get the kill? The first time anything in AH made me angry was when some turkey complained that I hadn't given him a check-six. That was no later than 2003. We've had Horde Tuesdays, whack-a-mole tactics, mega-squads shooting up the town on a Saturday night...none of the current complaints are remotely original.
- oldman (well, back in my day, nice girls didn't do things like that...)
Oh no. I'm sure it's much worse these days since I've noticed it. ;)
As to the OP, your six is your own responsibility. Appreciate random check sixes but don't rely on them. The rest of the players in the area are not there to support you. You don't know where their attention is focused at the moment. If you're not looking over your shoulder at least every 5 seconds in a furball, you're doing it wrong.
Wiley.
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Last knight, 11/18, prime time. I flew for three hours, the only check sixes I received was from my own squad members. I'm flying on a mission to kill VH in support of V66, in a Heavy P38L, I'm above 15K, another Knight in a spit14 is on the deck, running from a spit14. He's calling out for help asked me to help him, pleads with me. I turn in on the nme spit and I tell the Knight that I can only bounce the guy, you will need to help me kill him. He says sure, I hold my ords and bounce the spit14, and I attempt to bring guns to bare, only to see my team mate, continue on his run to the nearest Knight base. Now I got to dump my ords to fight this spit and it doesn't go well, I waited much to long to dump the ords. Next while fighting in a sustained dogfight with a Rook P38L at V66, I'm in my P38G. He's doing vertical loops, I'm working him, got his port engine smoking, he's continuing in his vertical loop and I'm adding lots of flap and bring my nose up on target and hitting him with my 50's and start to open up with my cannon and some Knight clown cuts in front of me, he kills the 38 and I get killed by my own stream of cannon hitting this clown, Shot myself down. In my 20 minutes in the area of V66 I got no friendly check 6's from other Knights although I gave a bunch, a lot by key and some on the common radio when the Knight hicks shut up long enough to allow others to use the radio. You long winded story tellers please invite those that want to hear "how great a french kisser you mom is" to a separate channel so that Knights actually playing the game in the battle, can communicate.
End of whine.
Just switch countries. 6 hours later, you can sitch again!
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More important than tactics and ACM is SA. Learn SA and the others will help. As for the unfortunate spit runner, the old adage No Good Deed goes left unpunished comes to mind. Just remember the guy and laugh as he gets ganged next time.
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Yeah bloody knits...I was just saying this on range the other day....I was dieing a lot.... a lot more than usual.... and couldn't work it out.... finally after looking through my films I did notice the lack of check sixes.... with film in hand I told them straight that it was not on!!! I was however rook that day so they just laughed and told me to go sit in the corner for a bit.... When I was let out I went back to knit and let them have it.... because now they had 1) made me die a lot by lack of check sixes...but 2) made me get sent to the corner of a different side for an hour... and yes...before you say anything...it was their fault!! had their lack of team mate ship not been so off the charts I would not have died so much...i would not have been so enraged..and i would have been able to make an informed login to the game and stay on the correct team to berate them in the first place....Bloody Knits
....and rooks.....that corner sucks.... all those mirrors... makes you look at yourself for too long...point the finger and it is self deprecating... horrible horrible place to be.....don't you know finger pointing is not for ones self!!!!!! Bastids :furious :furious ..... :neener: <--- me after an hour in that place
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It's teachable moment, but the people that need to learn aren't on the message boards.
Really need a video series on "How to furball in the Melee Arena" Maybe the masses, looking for help, would watch a YouTube video.
94% of Green Knights think...
1) it's a race to see who can shoot a bandit, instead of a team effort to clear the skies.
2) Never look to see if the bandit has a wing man they can engage instead of shooting over another Knight's shoulder at said bandit.
3) Have no idea how to fly to set up an opponent
4) Have no idea how to fly to kill a set up opponent before he kills the setter.
5) Never use the radio to coordinate with fellow knights around them
I can honestly say that....
1) I have cleared 20,000 pilot's six o'clocks in my day.
2) I have had my six O'clock cleared about 200 times.
3) I have been picked 20,000 times, while a fellow knight ignored the second bandit, and chose to shoot at the bandit I already had in a stall fight.
4) I have had 20,000 bandits shot off my 12 o'clock, and about 150 shot off my six O'Clock.
I'm struck by how long some people play this game and never really understand it. Apparently osmosis cannot be counted on as method for learning tactics in the Melee.
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3) Have no idea how to fly to set up an opponent
Don't know if I agree with the rest of your post but this is the one I wish there was an unskippable video every time you start the game on. "How to drag." The number of people that bring them straight to you and then turn under the entirety of the red force in the area is astounding.
Wiley.
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Don't know if I agree with the rest of your post but this is the one I wish there was an unskippable video every time you start the game on. "How to drag." The number of people that bring them straight to you and then turn under the entirety of the red force in the area is astounding.
Wiley.
:aok
...as for the rest, It's been certified by top NASA scientist to be dead-on-balls-accurate. It's an industry term.
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It's teachable moment, but the people that need to learn aren't on the message boards.
Really need a video series on "How to furball in the Melee Arena" Maybe the masses, looking for help, would watch a YouTube video.
94% of Green Knights think...
1) it's a race to see who can shoot a bandit, instead of a team effort to clear the skies.
2) Never look to see if the bandit has a wing man they can engage instead of shooting over another Knight's shoulder at said bandit.
3) Have no idea how to fly to set up an opponent
4) Have no idea how to fly to kill a set up opponent before he kills the setter.
5) Never use the radio to coordinate with fellow knights around them
I'm struck by how long some people play this game and never really understand it. Apparently osmosis cannot be counted on as method for learning tactics in the Melee.
Man...when you put it in text like that....I truly am an ass....... but then again...I have always said...I am a really bad wingman...
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My K-D rate went up a lot after I shut the radio off and quit reading chat.
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My K-D rate went up a lot after I shut the radio off and quit reading chat.
...but your teammate's dropped.
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It's teachable moment, but the people that need to learn aren't on the message boards.
Really need a video series on "How to furball in the Melee Arena" Maybe the masses, looking for help, would watch a YouTube video.
94% of Green Knights think...
1) it's a race to see who can shoot a bandit, instead of a team effort to clear the skies.
2) Never look to see if the bandit has a wing man they can engage instead of shooting over another Knight's shoulder at said bandit.
3) Have no idea how to fly to set up an opponent
4) Have no idea how to fly to kill a set up opponent before he kills the setter.
5) Never use the radio to coordinate with fellow knights around them
I can honestly say that....
1) I have cleared 20,000 pilot's six o'clocks in my day.
2) I have had my six O'clock cleared about 200 times.
3) I have been picked 20,000 times, while a fellow knight ignored the second bandit, and chose to shoot at the bandit I already had in a stall fight.
4) I have had 20,000 bandits shot off my 12 o'clock, and about 150 shot off my six O'Clock.
I'm struck by how long some people play this game and never really understand it. Apparently osmosis cannot be counted on as method for learning tactics in the Melee.
Well... Most players on this game havent sat in a classroom for 4 years learning ACM, Navigation, and wingman tactics. Gotta take that into consideration. Then the game itself is different than real life so even if you had all those classes, you still would have a hard time understanding that stuff right away. The MA is a cess pool of crazies looking to eat anything they can. There is hardly a such thing as "organized" in the MA. In order to really get good in the MA, you actually do have to take it seriously and be patient enough to learn most of the planes, and then learn the people who are flying them. I love the MA because IMO, it's a perfect representitive of nature.
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My K-D rate went up a lot after I shut the radio off and quit reading chat.
Unfortunately for those that repeatedly shoot you down, you haven't disabled your ability to send us rage PMs.
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Well... Most players on this game havent sat in a classroom for 4 years learning ACM, Navigation, and wingman tactics. Gotta take that into consideration. Then the game itself is different than real life so even if you had all those classes, you still would have a hard time understanding that stuff right away. The MA is a cess pool of crazies looking to eat anything they can. There is hardly a such thing as "organized" in the MA. In order to really get good in the MA, you actually do have to take it seriously and be patient enough to learn most of the planes, and then learn the people who are flying them. I love the MA because IMO, it's a perfect representitive of nature.
This is my point exactly. Some Training is needed. Perhaps if it was in the form of an easy to watch YouTube movie, it might gets some views. Christmas shutdown is coming. I may make this my next project. Need some good yet inexpensive video editing software. :salute
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Rule # 1. You can't ever expect anything in the MA.
Kill quickly and get out of the fight.
Don't expect other players to do anything, that goes for any side or team you play with.
+1
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Dont rely on everyone else to check your 6. Thats your responsibility. Lesson learned,move on.
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I know what you mean about some idiot diving in front of you when you are shooting at the red guy, I can be 400 back and press the trigger and some idiot dives in with no warning and I get kill shot. My other pet peeve is the idiots that see you blow the wings off of a red guy and he is going down and they still swarm in 3 or 4 at a time firing away at the poor red guy going down. I always call out when I shoot someones plane apart but no one seems to care.
Last knight, 11/18, prime time. I flew for three hours, the only check sixes I received was from my own squad members. I'm flying on a mission to kill VH in support of V66, in a Heavy P38L, I'm above 15K, another Knight in a spit14 is on the deck, running from a spit14. He's calling out for help asked me to help him, pleads with me. I turn in on the nme spit and I tell the Knight that I can only bounce the guy, you will need to help me kill him. He says sure, I hold my ords and bounce the spit14, and I attempt to bring guns to bare, only to see my team mate, continue on his run to the nearest Knight base. Now I got to dump my ords to fight this spit and it doesn't go well, I waited much to long to dump the ords. Next while fighting in a sustained dogfight with a Rook P38L at V66, I'm in my P38G. He's doing vertical loops, I'm working him, got his port engine smoking, he's continuing in his vertical loop and I'm adding lots of flap and bring my nose up on target and hitting him with my 50's and start to open up with my cannon and some Knight clown cuts in front of me, he kills the 38 and I get killed by my own stream of cannon hitting this clown, Shot myself down. In my 20 minutes in the area of V66 I got no friendly check 6's from other Knights although I gave a bunch, a lot by key and some on the common radio when the Knight hicks shut up long enough to allow others to use the radio. You long winded story tellers please invite those that want to hear "how great a french kisser you mom is" to a separate channel so that Knights actually playing the game in the battle, can communicate.
End of whine.
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It's the same in almost every furball in any flight sim. We only have ourselves to blame :cheers:
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I can be 400 back and press the trigger and some idiot dives in with no warning and I get kill shot.
Yeah...so...why are you shooting from 400 back?
- oldman
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That was an example oldman it could be any number back people dive in front of you with out warning. I also see friendlies all the time chasing one lone red guy away from a base with a white flagged town. Just a couple pet peves.
How is your RL flying going?
Yeah...so...why are you shooting from 400 back?
- oldman
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A harrowing tale, this guy went out to bomb an inanimate object, and ended up in a fight with another player, and to top it all off he died and not the other guy :angry: makes my blood boil :angry:
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How is your RL flying going?
Oy. PIC interrupted for two years. There's a thread on it in the O Club, back at the beginning of October.
- oldman
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Ah, sorry oldman.
Oy. PIC interrupted for two years. There's a thread on it in the O Club, back at the beginning of October.
- oldman
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i maintain that AH is a microcosm of our world. people only care for themselves. wrong, dirty, underhanded has become normalized and when you point out the wrong and dirty, youre the bad guy because its now normal to be dirty. and they dogpile the sht out of you to validate their dirty deeds. some of the comments in this thread are proof enough for me. when they tell you that "The rest of the players in the area are not there to support you", its a good tell on the mindset of supposedly decent people. they dont care about other people and never have and never will. its a me me me, look at me world. the care for your neighbor, care for strangers, etc, is a distant memory where common decency is not common. these people in game will swear up and down that they help people and care about others, but in game they play as dirty and selfish as possible without even a hint of help someone or teamwork in their dna. but you are what you are, you dont just switch to an ahole in game and an angel in the real world. thats a myth.
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its a me me me, look at me world.
It sure is. And when people don't get their six called at all times, or if people don't clear them snappily enough, they whine long and loud on channel and in the forum because in their mind apparently the other people on their side exist solely for the purpose of supporting them. Anybody who is not paying attention to them at all times and helping them when they get in over their head is a Bad Person.
Wiley.
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It sure is. And when people don't get their six called at all times, or if people don't clear them snappily enough, they whine long and loud on channel and in the forum because in their mind apparently the other people on their side exist solely for the purpose of supporting them. Anybody who is not paying attention to them at all times and helping them when they get in over their head is a Bad Person.
Wiley.
so what youve done here is turned it around to where hes the bad guy for hoping to have the common courtesy hes shown to the other guy, returned to him. normalizing the wrong......but whats wrong with showing a little courtesy if you can? if you can help, why not help? he helped the other guy and then gets crapped on for it. and is now the bad guy apparently because he didnt like it and said something about it. hes just supposed to take it even if its wrong because its now normalized. seems dirty to me.
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Yeah your such a straight shooter. :rock
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i maintain that AH is a microcosm of our world. people only care for themselves. wrong, dirty, underhanded has become normalized and when you point out the wrong and dirty, youre the bad guy because its now normal to be dirty. and they dogpile the sht out of you to validate their dirty deeds. some of the comments in this thread are proof enough for me. when they tell you that "The rest of the players in the area are not there to support you", its a good tell on the mindset of supposedly decent people. they dont care about other people and never have and never will. its a me me me, look at me world. the care for your neighbor, care for strangers, etc, is a distant memory where common decency is not common. these people in game will swear up and down that they help people and care about others, but in game they play as dirty and selfish as possible without even a hint of help someone or teamwork in their dna. but you are what you are, you dont just switch to an ahole in game and an angel in the real world. thats a myth.
There is a big difference between a war video game online and the "real world". Online "egos" in general are far more intrusive. I do agree that it similarly represents the natural world in that it's never fair and unforgiving.. Players have advantages and disadvantages in the MA. Its a game. Therefore players compete. Players do not always represent their real life montra. The online world is an escape from that, really. Players do not receive "moral training" when entering the MA. Many just want to shoot and kill. You cant expect the enemy to not gang and not pick when you put yourself in those positions. You can't expect someone to come clear you when you have 6 on you and getting ganged. 85% of the MA players really have no idea what they are doing anyway. They chase the red guy, and feel happy when they finally achieve a kill. Just don't put yourself in easy to pick situations, and you will understand the game play better. This game takes a lot of patients to fly in a successful way without getting picked or ganged. And that's one of the great beauties of it.
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Yeah your such a straight shooter. :rock
wrong, dirty, underhanded has become normalized....youre a prime example of this
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There is a big difference between a war video game online and the "real world". Online "egos" in general are far more intrusive. I do agree that it similarly represents the natural world in that it's never fair and unforgiving.. Players have advantages and disadvantages in the MA. Its a game. Therefore players compete. Players do not always represent their real life montra. The online world is an escape from that, really. Players do not receive "moral training" when entering the MA. Many just want to shoot and kill. You cant expect the enemy to not gang and not pick when you put yourself in those positions. You can't expect someone to come clear you when you have 6 on you and getting ganged. 85% of the MA players really have no idea what they are doing anyway. They chase the red guy, and feel happy when they finally achieve a kill. Just don't put yourself in easy to pick situations, and you will understand the game play better. This game takes a lot of patients to fly in a successful way without getting picked or ganged. And that's one of the great beauties of it.
like i said, wrong has been normalized
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so what youve done here is turned it around to where hes the bad guy for hoping to have the common courtesy hes shown to the other guy, returned to him. normalizing the wrong......but whats wrong with showing a little courtesy if you can? if you can help, why not help? he helped the other guy and then gets crapped on for it. and is now the bad guy apparently because he didnt like it and said something about it. hes just supposed to take it even if its wrong because its now normalized. seems dirty to me.
It must be really, really awesome to have 100% SA. You guys should put together some videos on how to have perfect SA at all times. The fact is, I do call and clear whenever I'm able. However, the guys that expect 100% of their side to be at their beck and call at all times are behaving just as badly as they think the others are.
You don't know what anybody else in the area is doing at the moment. They could be looking for GVs, they could be scanning far for inbound bandits, they could be covering their wingman, distracted by the bandit on their six, or any of a thousand other things. Your six is your own responsibility, nobody else's. You may want to grumble at your wingman if he doesn't check you, but expecting random people that happen to be in the same area to be constantly monitoring what you're doing is stupid.
Wiley.
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I do my best to call out bandits, but I can't see everything all the time and I do have to kinda watch my own.
I've also had people get salty after "not getting a six check" despite the fact that I called it out 3 times but they werent listening because they were trying to shoot a guy.
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wrong, dirty, underhanded has become normalized....youre a prime example of this
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It must be really, really awesome to have 100% SA. You guys should put together some videos on how to have perfect SA at all times. The fact is, I do call and clear whenever I'm able. However, the guys that expect 100% of their side to be at their beck and call at all times are behaving just as badly as they think the others are.
You don't know what anybody else in the area is doing at the moment. They could be looking for GVs, they could be scanning far for inbound bandits, they could be covering their wingman, distracted by the bandit on their six, or any of a thousand other things. Your six is your own responsibility, nobody else's. You may want to grumble at your wingman if he doesn't check you, but expecting random people that happen to be in the same area to be constantly monitoring what you're doing is stupid.
Wiley.
exactly what i expected ....smh
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exactly what i expected ....smh
Me too. Claim superiority and play the victim. Textbook.
Wiley.
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like i said, wrong has been normalized
You can't expect a moral atmosphere in a war video game. And most players don't follow what you consider "wrong", because they don't have a clue what they are doing in the first place. It's not about being right or wrong.. Its about survival of the fittest.
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I have played since about 2008. While I can agree with a lot of points being made on both sides I can say after taking off for the better part of 2 years and coming back there has been a shift in the "morals" displayed in the MA. When I first started with Duxford Wing back in 08 the Boss (Zensen) did preach about etiquette. There was etiquette then. You checked 6's as much as possible , you never jumped into someone else's fight unless requested and you worked to push the chess piece's agenda you played for as best you can. You gave the enemy quarter when it was deemed gentlemanly and you expected the same. I had some of you very same gentleman display those attributes to me over the years. Now it seems to be a free for all in the MA most times with the exception of a very select few. Is it right or wrong is open to opinion only as with all things in the universe change is the only constant. Yes the moral compass has changed a bit, but is it wrong? I think we all do our best and sometimes we let others down but to say folks do it out of spite is a hard thing for me grasp in the 1 game where I have felt that the community is head and shoulders above any other I have been in and still is. Things change and people change and if you refuse to change with the times then unfortunately you go the way of the Dodo.
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I feel your pain traveler.... But in my experience there is never a shortage of check 6s on the bish when I fly.. I usually get them with in 30 seconds from upping.. I'm starting to believe the rooks and nits don't like me much :devil :neener:
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During my first stint here I always received check 6s from other non squadies. This round, not so much. There are a few people and squads that I can count on for it but it’s far from what it used to be.
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