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Title: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: noman on November 25, 2017, 10:34:29 PM

Was Curious to know if I can upgrade this CPU without upgrading the MOBO. Would like to upgrade to an i7 7700 if possible. Any help is appreciated!


     Time of this report: 11/25/2017, 22:20:44
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Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Bizman on November 26, 2017, 03:41:02 AM

I suppose you could safely upgrade to i7-975 Extreme Edition since it's of the same microarchitecture (Bloomfield). That means upgrading from 2.8 to 3.33 GHz, 19% more power. It's negotiable if you could see the difference, however that might get you over some "magic" edge.

I7-990X @3.47GHz (Gulftown) fits to the socket, too, and it's not much newer, so it should fit, too. Read this for more information about the two models: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-980x-efficiency,2575-2.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-980x-efficiency,2575-2.html)

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Skuzzy on November 26, 2017, 05:59:43 AM

Might want to check with Dell about the upgrade possibilities.  They have a tendency to only support the CPU which came with the motherboard, by hard coding the support in the BIOS.

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: noman on November 27, 2017, 10:20:16 AM

Will another GTX-970 Card do me any good or should I just stick to the 1?

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Skuzzy on November 27, 2017, 10:23:43 AM

I would not go SLI.  NVidia is dumping support, for that feature, in the very near future.

And it really does not get you much, if any, performance gains due to the really poor SLI profile they supply.  The NVidia SLI profile for Aces High is for Aces High 2, and it was never right either.  It really is messed up for Aces High III.

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: 100Coogn on November 27, 2017, 10:27:53 AM

I feel you may be bottle-necked by your CPU.  You might want to check into a Motherboard/CPU combo on NewEgg. (https://www.newegg.com/)
They usually have some good deals.

Edit: I'm also using a single 970 and AHIII rarely draws more than 25% from the card. 

Coogan

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: noman on November 27, 2017, 11:33:19 AM

I would not know where to even start looking for a motherboard and a CPU. I am smart enough to change stuff out and do small stuff but figuring out what to get and what will fit in the case I have I am totally ignorant. I am willing to spend about $300-400 to upgrade but wouldn't know what would be the best use of that to get the biggest bang for my bucks.
Also if Dell did hard code the BIOS will changing out the motherboard and CPU get me around that?

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Bizman on November 27, 2017, 12:17:45 PM

If Dell has hard-coded the BIOS it's in the motherboard. Change it and the rest will follow. However, you may have to change the RAM and PSU too, leaving you only an old hard disk and a pretty good video card.

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: noman on November 27, 2017, 12:44:45 PM

I have a 750 watt PSU and have already changed the HD and added a SSD drive as well. I also have bumped up the ram to 16 gigs of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM.

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Bizman on November 27, 2017, 01:16:03 PM

If I read right somewhere that CPU likes RAM in triplets. I.e. 3x2 GB, 3x4GB etc. The difference in performance may not be noticeable in real life, though. Maybe a hiccup here and there, who knows?

Since you already know that a standard PSU works with that motherboard, getting a second hand i7-975 for $100 might not pose too big of a risk of mismatch and might very well give you the boost you want.

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: 100Coogn on November 27, 2017, 01:18:42 PM

Quote from: noman on November 27, 2017, 12:44:45 PM

I have a 750 watt PSU and have already changed the HD and added a SSD drive as well. I also have bumped up the ram to 16 gigs of Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM.

I'd hate for you to waste your money on an extra GPU, when it's not needed.
Research a motherboard & CPU that will fit your needs.  You'll probably get it cheaper than buying a new GPU.
I can't stand Intel, but this is your rig, so do what fits your needs.

Coogan

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: noman on November 27, 2017, 04:36:45 PM

Thanks for the Help Gentlemen!! My machine runs Aces High pretty good  Solid 59 FPS usually with a stutter every once in awhile, was just curious if I could make it any better. Just got a new ASUS computer monitor that has really boosted the graphics over the LCD TV I was using  :)

Title: Re: Can I Upgrade?
Post by: Bizman on November 28, 2017, 01:21:47 AM

 :aok

Don't fix if it ain't broken!

 :salute