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Title: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: 8thJinx on December 16, 2017, 04:20:12 PM
When I got up from my seat after the credits rolled, my first thought was of Kurt Vonnegut's theory that all of western literature can be boiled down to just 7 story lines. This is the 9th Star Wars film, and my first gut reaction, standing there in the aisle this afternoon, was simply, "Vonnegut was right."
Not that this is a bad thing. A well of seven basic story lines, when laced together in adjacent story frames (i.e. The Fall of Giants), or stacked one frame inside of another (a frame within a frame, i.e. American War and The Handmaid's Tale), can give you a slew of great story possibilities.
So I think this movie will grow on me the more I watch it. I also think it's a setup for trilogies to come. Well, that's obvious.
For now, I remain convinced that the best Star Wars movie ever made was Rogue One (Man Falls in a Hole and Dies).
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: BoilerDown on December 16, 2017, 06:30:57 PM
I can't really put Rogue One ahead of 4 or 5. Especially not ahead of 5.
I'd put this one between 6 and 3 (or 3 and 6 if that's your thing).
Its strange but as much as I didn't want the previous movie to follow the plot of the originals, but it did, I felt like this one needed to mirror the originals more, but it didn't.
I wanted Luke to be a badass. Ideally like Vader at the end of Rogue One, but minimally like the elder Dr. Jones in The Last Crusade. Instead he's a grumpy old man who barely helps at all.
I don't understand why the last two Star Wars movies have done little but tarnish the legacy of the icons of the previous series. Luke was a hero who turns into a failed instructor who leaves the known galaxy to sulk for thirty years. Han thirty years later was a loser who was barely staying ahead of the bounty on his head. He never increased his station in life or earned any semblance of retirement. Only Leia at least made something of herself, but she let the galaxy fall fully back into the hands of Empire, and she barely developed her own force powers. Maybe Lando will return in the 9th movie to lead the Alliance / Rebellion?
In Star Trek Generations, Kirk at least died fighting and kicked more bellybutton frankly than the TNG characters did. The Star Wars elders deserve at least as much before throwing the reins to the next generation.
Rogue One showed us just how much the Rebellion sacrificed to defeat the Empire, maybe Luke and Han should have watched it and appreciated how much was given to them. I don't actually blame the characters, I blame the writing and I blame Lucas for waiting too long to make these movies, and if he wasn't going to do it he should have sold to Disney 10 year sooner.
Anyways, I really wanted The Last Jedi to be another Episode 5, in most ways that can be interpreted. It wasn't. It was still worth going to the movie theater to see, but I left the theater annoyed at its treatment of the classic characters.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Gman on December 16, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
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So I think this movie will grow on me the more I watch it. I also think it's a setup for trilogies to come. Well, that's obvious.
I remember seeing TESB, and also that it wasn't nearly as popular then as it became in later years, frequently the top of the ranking list with so, so many fans. I think this film may become more popular over time. I saw it Thursday and Friday nights, may go again tomorrow afternoon too. Still have mixed feelings, many similar to what BoilerDown wrote so I won't repost all that. Visually stunning, surprising story lines I didn't expect, and many, many holes and issues.
I do wonder what Rian the director has planned for the new trilogy. He's already gone on the record stating it won't be Knights of the Old Republic based, or from that time. So, I wonder, maybe prequels to the Ben Solo story? The only flashback scene I can remember in a SW film came in this one, perhaps for a reason. Maybe all that early Ben Solo stuff was to set up the new trilogy, showing Luke SW back when he founded his new temple/school, and the battles that happened then. Who knows. I just know it won't be from the KOTOR era, which I what I would have expected.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: 8thJinx on December 16, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
I don't understand why the last two Star Wars movies have done little but tarnish the legacy of the icons of the previous series.
BD, that kind of thing has been going on since the stone age. The only way to make room for new heroes is to knock off the old ones. I'm kind of encouraged that they're doing this, since it appears they at least have a plan. And given their multi-billion dollar investment, one would hope that they know what they're doing
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: ROC on December 16, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
I'm convinced that with the entire Star Wars universe that is available in print, they had to stray from any similarity to avoid royalties. I've got an entire office closet filled with Star Wars books. The stories were amazing. I try very hard not to remember those story lines and simply enjoy the movies as they are.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: zack1234 on December 17, 2017, 02:49:01 AM
The new Churchill Film with gary oldman looks good :old:
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Meatwad on December 17, 2017, 07:49:26 AM
BD, that kind of thing has been going on since the stone age. The only way to make room for new heroes is to knock off the old ones. I'm kind of encouraged that they're doing this, since it appears they at least have a plan. And given their multi-billion dollar investment, one would hope that they know what they're doing
Merchandising. Invent new characters, make them "special and important" in their own way. Really push the toys on TV every third commercial. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Spikes on December 17, 2017, 08:11:39 AM
There is also the "political correctness" that must be involved in each movie, that started with TFA.
I thought TLJ sucked.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: 8thJinx on December 17, 2017, 08:53:43 AM
I've had a day to process this. If you assume that Disney has its head screwed on straight, and that the screenplay writers are following a plan, then everything in the movie is there for a purpose. Let's face it, Star Wars was a huge investment for them. The arms dealer planet, Benicio del Toro's character, the kids in the horse stables, etc, etc. That's likely all 'setup' for the next installment, or for trilogies or stand-alones to come. And no writer worth his salt - particularly in a multi-billion dollar franchise - would ever violate Chekov's Gun (if you describe a gun on the wall in Acts I or II, it had better be fired by Act III). Every extraneous thing in The Last Jedi is set up for Star Wars IX and beyond.
And the casting was pretty good for the new roles. You needed an actress of Laura Dern's caliber to pull off her story arc. She needed to convey a whole bunch of stuff with just the lines on her face. Same with del Toro. He needed to be creepy, morally ambiguous, and m-e-m-o-r-a-b-l-e. I also think Mark Hamill absolutely nailed it.
So all things considered, I think the waters of The Last Jedi run very deep.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Kanth on December 17, 2017, 01:32:58 PM
After watching the one in 2015, i was't very enthusiastic.
That one mainly traded upon history and historical actors to fill seats and then didn't create a strong enough bond with the new actors to make me want to come back...
I haven't seen any amazing storyline that made me want to come back and watch this one either.
Really they'll have to blow my socks off to get me back in the theater for this franchise. :uhoh
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: The Fugitive on December 17, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
I've had a day to process this. If you assume that Disney has its head screwed on straight, and that the screenplay writers are following a plan, then everything in the movie is there for a purpose. Let's face it, Star Wars was a huge investment for them. The arms dealer planet, Benicio del Toro's character, the kids in the horse stables, etc, etc. That's likely all 'setup' for the next installment, or for trilogies or stand-alones to come. And no writer worth his salt - particularly in a multi-billion dollar franchise - would ever violate Chekov's Gun (if you describe a gun on the wall in Acts I or II, it had better be fired by Act III). Every extraneous thing in The Last Jedi is set up for Star Wars IX and beyond.
And the casting was pretty good for the new roles. You needed an actress of Laura Dern's caliber to pull off her story arc. She needed to convey a whole bunch of stuff with just the lines on her face. Same with del Toro. He needed to be creepy, morally ambiguous, and m-e-m-o-r-a-b-l-e. I also think Mark Hamill absolutely nailed it.
So all things considered, I think the waters of The Last Jedi run very deep.
I just got home from watching this, and I agree with you 100%. While the movie looked good and was an ok movie I think it was more about setting up the future of the franchise.
I enjoyed the movie, the characters, the sub stories, and the filming, even the one liners tho I did think they seemed a bit forced, it does seem to be more intent on "setting up" what is yet to come.
Im looking forward to see what "they" will come up with. It's too bad that Carrie Fisher has passed away. The next movie would have been about her. The first finished off Han's story, the second Luke's the third would have been about her. How they go from here will be tricky, but as with all those "favorite" franchises , thats what makes us keep coming back.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: BFOOT1 on December 18, 2017, 07:16:29 AM
I personally enjoyed the film. I've seen a lot of negativity about TLJ, and I'm a bit confused why. Yes, there were somethings I was like meh, but overall I thought it was fantastic. I believe this film showed a lot of more information about how the 'force' works. As there is a dark and light side of the force, but also a grey neutral area (aka where a user finds a balance and is able to use both sides). I thought the hand to hand combat was great, as well Luke Skywalker's role. I never once saw Mark Hamill, but instead the Luke Skywalker my hero. I thought his role was excellent.
The one liners eh, but hey it wouldn't but Star Wars without those one liners. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 18, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
You guys have to understand, Liberalism allows NO HEROES. :bolt:
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: AKKuya on December 18, 2017, 07:48:57 PM
The best thing about the film was how they left the ending after the narrative was finished for "Where do they go next"?
Who are the Allies out in the Outer Rim? Where will they get the infrastructure to fight the New Order?
They left the door wide open for Episode IX to bring in new concepts and characters plus new story threads. We can spin all kinds of ideas. The House of the Mouse will have some kind of overall plan to protect their 4 billion dollar investment.
I liked the story of the Resistance fleet running out of fuel to be destroyed by the New Order fleet. The chase to the planet and the end fight reminiscent of the Hoth battle. Kept you glued to the seat.
What didn't surprise me was the cool Leia scene. That had been done in the books and comic books. However, it was awesome to see in film!!!
Right now C3PO and R2D2 are 13 for 13 being in Star Wars films. Let's see if they show up next year for the Han Solo movie to be 14 for 14.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: ghi on December 18, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
I'm going to wait fot blu ray. The movie theater projection on plastic foil can't pass to viewers all the features of new millennium movies 4k cgi enhanced . I noticed after watching "Avatar" on BR few months after movie theater, the difference is shocking, I was like , wt.. ,never seen this movie '.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: TWCAxew on December 19, 2017, 08:50:20 AM
I almost walked out of the theater a few times last night. Oh what was i cringing, but i thought it possibly cant get any worse, can it? The only thing i liked about the movie where the special effect's and even those put me off sometimes. For instance the X wing that got chased down by 2 ti fighters and suddenly reversed, got behind them and than shoot them.
I liked the bomber scene tough that part was awesome. (except that she had to catch the remote. Over the top...)
I really tried to like it, but it was just so bad. :uhoh
DutchVII
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: WEZEL on December 19, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
Special effects were good and the full frontal of Luke was quiet the surprise but was done so tastefully is blended right in to the story line.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Vraciu on December 19, 2017, 11:30:06 PM
ROGUE ONE is far and away the best of the films made after RETURN OF THE JEDI. It’s competiive with the originals to the point that were it not for nostalgia I’d probably agree with the OP that it is the best including those.
Darth Vader was true to form in the battle scene at the end. I was like, “Ho ho ho ho!!!” with evil glee watching him. (The voice was wrong throughout though, somehow.)
I accidentally watched THE FORCE AWAKENS on a plane back from Africa and the ending made me sit up in my chair. Another “Ho ho ho!” moment.
OP: There are indeed only a handful of plotlines into which everything out there fits.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Mister Fork on December 20, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
ROGUE ONE is far and away the best of the films made after RETURN OF THE JEDI. It’s competiive with the originals to the point that were it not for nostalgia I’d probably agree with the OP that it is the best including those.
Darth Vader was true to form in the battle scene at the end. I was like, “Ho ho ho ho!!!” with evil glee watching him. (The voice was wrong throughout though, somehow.)
Interesting note that final 5 minutes of Rogue One almost didn't make it into the film. For me, it anchored it as a great Star Wars film, right behind TESB.
My young boys and I watched the Star Wars films - #1-#8 in order this past September. The first two films were by in large, truly horrid films from plot holes, acting, and bland dialogue. The third was 'better', but not by much. We then watched Rogue One after the Sith, and boy, the quality difference in acting, script, flow, and action scenes was like driving at 30mph Sunday driving in the first 3 films, to strapping into a Formula 1 at 200mph at LeMans - and then right into A New Hope, Strikes Back, Return, and Force Awakens. It flowed quite nicely with all 5 films.
The Last Jedi is good - not Rogue One or Empire Strikes amazing, but still good and better than the last.
But I have to admit, I'm getting a little Star Wars fatigued. Wish there was a new scifi movie coming out... Hollywood seems to just flush and refresh existing series to maximize profits, rather than promote cinema as an art form. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Zoney on December 20, 2017, 02:04:12 PM
But I have to admit, I'm getting a little Star Wars fatigued. Wish there was a new scifi movie coming out... Hollywood seems to just flush and refresh existing series to maximize profits, rather than promote cinema as an art form. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hold on to your butts my friends, "Rendezvous With Rama", from the Arthur C Clarke book is in the works. Also, "The Mote in God's Eye" and there are a couple more also but I've been told not to discuss them anywhere.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Wiley on December 20, 2017, 02:13:22 PM
Hold on to your butts my friends, "Rendezvous With Rama", from the Arthur C Clarke book is in the works. Also, "The Mote in God's Eye" and there are a couple more also but I've been told not to discuss them anywhere.
Unfortunately, if they don't have lazers and splosions, by what's gone in the past they likely won't do well. Here's hoping the people who liked The Martian get on board.
Wiley.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Shuffler on December 21, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
OOOPS I thought this was the thread for The Last Starfighter
Interesting note that final 5 minutes of Rogue One almost didn't make it into the film. For me, it anchored it as a great Star Wars film, right behind TESB.
That would have been tragic. Wow.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: TWCAxew on December 22, 2017, 03:55:41 AM
Luke does not like the movie :bhead
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: branch37 on December 27, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
SPOILER ALERT.
The movie wasn’t terrible but not within a long shot of episode V or VI. Better than I and II but worse than III. I just don’t like the characters. Finn is boring, the pilot guy is just a lame attempt at recreating the “cool” guy, aka Han Solo, and Kylo Ren is still a lame darth Vader fanboy. Rey is ok I guess.
But on top of all this is the lame, cheesy Disney writing. I hate the crappy attempts to make the movie funny at moments where it shouldn’t be. You almost expect canned laughter to be included in the movie at times.
The face off between Luke and Kylo was cool though. I almost for a second thought they pulled a sixth sense moment and maybe Luke had been dead the whole time when Kylo couldn’t kill him. That would have been a better way for him to go out imho.
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Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Skuzzy on December 27, 2017, 11:52:17 AM
I enjoyed the movie. The campy writing reminded me of The New Hope.
*** SPOILER ALERT **** Then there was the hangar bay explosion which took out throngs of bad guys but did not leave a scratch on Finn and Rose. Just for that scene alone, I will buy the DVD (I do not do BluRay) when it becomes available just to make sure I did not miss something.
I don't know if that was a bad editing moment, or sloppy post work.
I liked Rogue One better.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Volron on December 27, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
I saw but never read this thread (I did accidentally click on it but very quickly backed out) until I watched the movie, which was a week ago. So if someone comes into a thread about a movie they don't want spoiled, then it's on them. :) That being said...
I'm still wondering how Finn managed to drag Rose from practically on top of the AT-AT's, ALL the way back through the hole made by the siege gun WITHOUT NO ONE NOTICING!!! I know Stormtroopers are supposedly "terrible shots", but now they are just outright blind too (not to mention ZERO supporting troops around the walkers)??? Hell, Flinn could've thrown a rock and hit the cockpit window from where they crashed. And it was a bit of time between the hole being blasted into the door and Luke walking out of it. The other thing was Vice Admiral Amilyn taking SO long to react to the transports being shot down. Don't get me started on the arching blaster shots from the Star Dreadnought and the transports taking ZERO evasive action. There are a bit more, like the stampede escape and Kylo in general...but feh. Too much nit-picking.
The one part that stood out the most for me was when Vice Admiral Amilyn hyper jumped into the Star Dreadnought. That complete silence, for me, made it that much more powerful.
All in all, I can honestly say I enjoyed the movie, despite my nit-picking. :P
Title: Re: The Last Jedi
Post by: Skuzzy on December 27, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
The 'time lags' you noted, is what I called bad editing or sloppy post work.
Yes, like you, even though I have my nits to pick, I enjoyed the movie.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Zoney on December 27, 2017, 02:04:38 PM
I thought it was the best one of all of them, and I enjoyed it very much.
I saw it on an 80 foot screen, the biggest in Arizona, with the highest tech available for digital display. The graphics were absolutely amazing in their detail.
I will not be going to any movies at any other theater again. They could probably hold 400 people in there with regular seating set up, but the choose big comfy recliners and very wide aisles so it only holds 150. 12 bucks a ticket and worth every penny. Even in full reclined with your legs up folks can get by with plenty of room.
They put on the commercials and new movie teasers first of course while folks are being seated, then they close the gold drapes, an employee comes out, thanks you for coming and announces the movie, he steps off, the drapes open, and it's on.
Fantastic experience.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: 8thJinx on December 27, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Did I mention my wife thought Rey died at the end of Rogue One? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Hey, at least she can cook.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: branch37 on December 27, 2017, 02:55:16 PM
Yeah I really liked the kamikaze cruiser part too. I agree that the extremely violent impact and destruction coupled with the silence of space was awesome.
Don’t get me started on leia just chilling in open space for a minute or better.
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Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: AKKuya on December 27, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
Any thoughts on how the bombs 'fell down' towards the dreadnaught? I am going with sophisticated tracking and target locking in each bomb set for First Order power and or communications signals.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Skuzzy on December 27, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
Looked to me like the bombs were mechanically launched via a chain rail and drive motor(s). Could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Wiley on December 27, 2017, 03:20:26 PM
Any thoughts on how the bombs 'fell down' towards the dreadnaught? I am going with sophisticated tracking and target locking in each bomb set for First Order power and or communications signals.
The prevailing fan mental gymnastics shoehorning of what we saw is they'd drop off the rails because they're a rail propulsion system, and they're also magnetic...
Why they wouldn't build something like, oh, I don't know, a "missile" with its own propulsion is a bit beyond me. REALLY best not pay attention to little details like "physics" in a Star Wars movie. Bang zoom flashy things!
Wiley.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Skuzzy on December 27, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
Then again, you do have artificial gravity on the ship. I suppose it could be used to get the bombs moving.
Yes, I agree, best to try and not think about physics and Star Wars in the same thought. Might actually hurt. :)
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: APDrone on December 27, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
Then again, you do have artificial gravity on the ship. I suppose it could be used to get the bombs moving.
Yes, I agree, best to try and not think about physics and Star Wars in the same thought. Might actually hurt. :)
:rofl :rofl
I would love to see what a Stanley Kubric production of Star Wars would be like.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Skuzzy on December 27, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Then it would not be Star Wars. You have to admit, part of the charm with Star Wars is the campy nature of it. Every time they try not doing campy it was a disaster.
Stanley Kubrick would have made a very fine movie, but it would not be Star Wars.
I think this one got the campy part just right. It approached the rim of being over the top, but stopped just shy of it, overall. Just a fun movie.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Volron on December 28, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
Thing is, 2D. Dreadnought Captain should've ordered a roll the moment the bombers were spotted, because at that point he had already destroyed the base on the planet. His next target was the cruiser which he could've kept in los of his cannon during the roll. The roll would've bought him at least a few more seconds, which can make the difference. Had he had literally 5 more seconds, the last bomber wouldn't likely have been an issue.
Also, you guys might like this:
Of course you'll see more. I suggest giving them all a look. :aok
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: BoilerDown on December 28, 2017, 12:30:36 PM
We need an Expanse movie, complete with plausible physics.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Wiley on December 28, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
We need an Expanse movie, complete with plausible physics.
I think Expanse does just fine with the series. We just need more of it, and more like it.
Wiley.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: caldera on December 28, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
It was worth watching, because it is a Star Wars movie but so many missed opportunities with the story and character arcs, ultimately ending right where it started. At least there was no Death Star this time. 6/10
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: AKKuya on December 29, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
Anybody reading this happens to have a personal space craft and wish to 'instruct' us readers on how fake the Star Wars scenes are. Please post video links. Any space combat footage would be appreciated.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: branch37 on December 29, 2017, 04:54:43 PM
Unfortunately my personal spacecraft is powered by Ford, therefore broken at the moment.
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Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Zimme83 on December 29, 2017, 06:55:42 PM
They should just have sphere shaped fighters with a gyro Control. Its much easier to just rotate the fighter and Point the guns at the bad guys, a space Craft in orbit will fly just as fine backwards so there is no need for dog fights. A guy on your six is no longer on your six if you just rotate your ship Pi radians and Point your nose at him...
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Meatwad on December 30, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
This is what confuses me
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
There is no air in space and thus nothing that can lead the heat away from your body, the heat can only radiate away so its not like it would be on Earth so hypothermia isnt going to be an issue until long after you have died from hypoxia. The lack of pressure would likely give her some quite severe decompression sickness but in theory she can survive for a few minutes, not unharmed though...
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Volron on December 30, 2017, 10:26:42 PM
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
In the novels and comic books, the authors created many more powers and abilities with the force. Imagination is the key. To answer the law of physics in our universe which the Star Wars galaxy is supposed to exist a long time ago and far, far away, the Force is an energy field that surrounds us and penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.
What normally happens to organic tissue is crystallization at the sub atomic level. Think of each atom in your body as a solar system in space. The crystal from water in your body influenced by the extreme cold temperature of outer space destroys the neutrons and protons of the nucleus, the sun, and the electrons, the planets. A very bad ice age at the microscopic level.
The mysterious energy field called 'the Force' or mitiochlorians, a strange sentient life, can interact at the sub-atomic level to create a barrier from the vacuum of space. A perfect example of advanced science indistinguishable from magic.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: BFOOT1 on December 31, 2017, 11:47:20 PM
After the bridge was blown out and Leia was floating in space a fair distance from the hull of the ship, how she didnt die. With the vacuum of space, not wearing a space suit, no oxygen, she should of been deaded the moment she was sucked out. But she didnt, and just happen to magically float back onto the bridge. And live. Not a single bruise. Or instant frozen skin from the coldness of space.
I can explain the ‘magic float’. Leia is a Skywalker and was actually more in touch with the force than Luke was. Leia used the force to move herself to the bridge.
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: branch37 on January 02, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
Can the force stop her blood from boiling due to the vacuum of space?
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Volron on January 02, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Are we seriously doing this??? :rofl
Title: Re: The Last Jedi: CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Post by: Meatwad on January 02, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Oh YES! :banana:
If Leia used the force to save herself from certain death from space, then couldnt another Skywalker (Anakin) of used the force to save his limbs and body from damage by lava in the 3rd movie?
And if her ship was under propulsion, wouldnt the sudden decompression of the bridge that blew her out moved her further away from the ship while it was traveling on its merry course?
(I need to get Kerbal Space program out and experiment)
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Post by: branch37 on January 02, 2018, 10:16:46 PM
Once propelled from the bridge by the explosion, she wouldnt have ever stopped unless she hit something, or gravity from something bigger pulled her in that direction.
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Post by: Volron on January 03, 2018, 12:07:19 AM
She wouldn't have gotten too far, as I believe they were close enough to their destination planet for it's gravity to pull her in. But if not that, the star would definitely have pulled her in, eventually. :)
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Post by: Zimme83 on January 03, 2018, 05:18:14 AM
Once propelled from the bridge by the explosion, she wouldnt have ever stopped unless she hit something, or gravity from something bigger pulled her in that direction.
Any force would do it so i guess the force is ok.
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Post by: Skuzzy on January 03, 2018, 06:18:56 AM
This is funny.
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Post by: noman on January 03, 2018, 07:13:39 AM
Feel like I am watching an episode of The Big Bang Theory.
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Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
I can explain the ‘magic float’. Leia is a Skywalker and was actually more in touch with the force than Luke was. Leia used the force to move herself to the bridge.
Who on earth would even question that's what was happening there? What other possible explanation could there have been? It was burrito night and she farted her way to the door?
Google says holding your breath would be a pretty bad idea and you'd have about 15 seconds before you'd lose consciousness. She was out there for quite a bit longer than that, so there you go. But, force magic.
Wiley.
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Post by: BFOOT1 on January 03, 2018, 06:24:25 PM
‘The Force’ is also part of the reason the stormtroopers can’t shoot. Evidently it can also interact at times and intervene in certain things. I’m currently reading the books to actually get a better understanding of all this.
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Post by: AKKuya on January 03, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
Once propelled from the bridge by the explosion, she wouldnt have ever stopped unless she hit something, or gravity from something bigger pulled her in that direction.
When Leia was blown out into space, she used the Force to reel her back in. I will now explain this to those who :headscratch:.
Within the vacuum of space, there is a sub-layer of micro cosmic radiation. Leia summoned the Force to grab onto these particles and floated upon them like people crowd surfing from stage diving. The particles thus formed a link back to the ship.
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Post by: ImADot on January 03, 2018, 09:40:28 PM
When Leia was blown out into space, she used the Force to reel her back in. I will now explain this to those who :headscratch:.
Within the vacuum of space, there is a sub-layer of micro cosmic radiation. Leia summoned the Force to grab onto these particles and floated upon them like people crowd surfing from stage diving. The particles thus formed a link back to the ship.
Well....DUH! :old:
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Post by: APDrone on January 03, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
Guys, Guys.. your perspective is all wrong.
Leia brought the ship to her.. just like Yoda extracting the X-wing on Dagobah.
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Post by: Volron on January 03, 2018, 10:33:57 PM
:rofl
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Post by: Vraciu on January 03, 2018, 11:09:04 PM
Leia brought the ship to her.. just like Yoda extracting the X-wing on Dagobah.
Think of the Force as an invisible treadmill. The ship can do anything but take off. Or, at least that's what I heard....
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Post by: FBKampfer on February 06, 2018, 04:33:49 PM
Honestly, my biggest problem is that there's clearly lag-time in the New Order's tracking capabilities. They could have avoided the problem by making a jump to a random location, and then immediately making another while the enemy battlecruisers are still in hyperspace.
Not enough fuel for two jumps? Bring everyone on board the main cruiser, and drain fuel off the escorts.
Need more time lag? The First Order battlecruisers are something on the order of three times the mass, and the Alliance cruisers are supposed to have some ludicrously strong shielding. Come about, and make your jump through the First Order fleet, and make your second jump with the time they took to swing those four-mile-long ships around to your vector.
Like this was never a problem that needed a special solution for, only something that should already be standard protocol in a universe where you can be tracked.
Other than the need for some serious suspension of disbelief, it was alright. The villans have been rather weak in this trilogy so far. There's not much of a sense of urgency.
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Post by: Devil 505 on February 06, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
Other than the need for some serious suspension of disbelief, it was alright. The villans have been rather weak in this trilogy so far. There's not much of a sense of urgency.
Yeah, General Hux has proven to be quite useless. Vader would have choked him out long before TFA.
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Post by: Gman on February 06, 2018, 05:31:28 PM
About the only thing I liked about TLJ was the sound Hux's face made when Snoke force smushed it into the nice shiny black Star Destroyer deck.
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Post by: APDrone on February 06, 2018, 06:13:14 PM
This doesn't cover everything, but does cover a bit.
I watched this. Pretty spot on, and the reason I didn't enjoy TLJ as much as I hoped I would. Incidentally, for the abbreviated version, go watch the "How It Should Have Ended" for it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ)). Not sure which video came first, but both came to some of the same conclusions.
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Post by: Volron on February 14, 2018, 06:56:30 PM