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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JunkyII on December 30, 2017, 10:31:09 AM
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Last night we had a player frustrated who left KOTH because he thought he wasn't cut out for it.
Everyone is good enough to participate in KOTH.
It took me a year of participating in KOTH to win a single round, took me almost 2 to win a KOTH event.
In that time I was spending most of my time flying 1 ride a tour, and spending hours fighting the best names in the DA...often losing every single fight.
That's how I got to the point where I succeed in KOTH...D ont think I'm saying you have to as well in order to succeed or even have a good time. Just come out, have a good time, and learn more every month...either by your own fights or by watching others fight.
TC and I had an awesome fight in K4s and the best thing you could take away was how TC knew how to extend from the fight and reset it as soon as I started getting an upper hand in scissors. He didn't run 5K away...he went maybe to 1K and turned back for a remerge....that's the type of flying in KOTH that can translate over to the MA or other special events....I'm not that good at it, but I will watch my stream of it later to see how he times it.
I said it last night on stream, Phast is one of the players who has grinded out getting killed over and over in KOTH...this year he will be participating in TOC.
Short story is, stick with it..take the beatings, it's only a game...the better everyone is at ACM the better the fights as a whole will get in the Air of Aces High.
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This ... is a good post. :cheers:
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icons still enabled?
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icons still enabled?
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Yeah my first KOTH ever was when Bruv, Kazaa, TonyJoey, Grizz, DrBone, Sunsfan, and Batfink were all present. Let me tell you, only being in Be game 6 months..... I GOT SPANKED
Chin up take the loss. Learn from it. Come back next month and maybe win a round or two!
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All these guys are beatable. But for some reason i got trouble shooting them down. lol. Every time i join i get a little better and closer to showing them who is boss.
Let me put this straight i am am probably the underdog here and yet i find it Amazing and Exiting to fight against all these good sticks. Its so much fun to fly some one that has a better understanding of the game and i love observing what they do and add it to my own flying style. And for some reason this event gets me so pumped. I would like to invite everyone to try it for sure. Even if you are new.
Also i am scared to death to fly in KOTH but i am glad i did, one of the most fun events we have here. :airplane:
DutchVII
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Yes
boooo , be better if they could eliminate the gang on the good guy aspect.
also not knowing who it is requires more skill on your part.
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boooo , be better if they could eliminate the gang on the good guy aspect.
also not knowing who it is requires more skill on your part.
If you feel you are being teamed up on or someone is not playing by the rules send the host a pm and voice your concern. Any host will watch for violations.
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Never and never will partake in these events for the Alpha Males who thinks they have achieved something :old
Bruv mithering everyone in main areana about KOTH is annoying :old:
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I actually agree with junky this time.. When I first started I couldn't last one turn after the merge... Now after 13 years of hard work thru trial and error I can last well into turns 3 or 4 before they they due that ACM stuff and get on my 6...I really need to learn that stuff but I'm still having a blast tryin and dyin!! Once you learn that they will give you another plane and you don't really die then it's all about the fun
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Never and never will partake in these events for the Alpha Males who thinks they have achieved something :old
Bruv mithering everyone in main areana about KOTH is annoying :old:
You'd be surprised there's very little of that in KOTH...for sure more in the MA.
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You'd be surprised there's very little of that in KOTH...for sure more in the MA.
I agree
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Gentlemen,
My first go round with KOTH was late 2017.
Like most first timers, i felt i wont last a merge or two, but after participating i realized that everyone has a chance. You will get your shots, but it flat out comes down to gunnery, and sometimes the other guy is just better. Winning is fun, loosing is fun,,,,the whole event from top to bottom is fun.
Like others have said, you learn, win or loose and come back a better pilot. I look forward to these events, they for sure get the blood/adrenaline pumping, that will keep you coming back!
<S>
JeffN
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Y’all are a bunch of rutabagas if you can’t handle losing your first 1-10 KOTH rounds. It takes time to learn how to win one.
If you have to go run and hide because you got beat bad your first time, go hide in a GV or Bomber in the MA.
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This ... is a good post.
Agreed.
- oldman
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My money would be on this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ysFm3TDbI&feature=youtu.be
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Never and never will partake in these events for the Alpha Males who thinks they have achieved something :old
Bruv mithering everyone in main areana about KOTH is annoying :old:
I shall add mithering to my 2018 vocabulary :old:
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I shall add mithering to my 2018 vocabulary :old:
It’s already your favorite word!
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/mithering
mither (ˈmaɪðə)
vb
(intr) dialect Northern English to fuss over or moan about something
[C17: of unknown origin]
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My money would be on this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ysFm3TDbI&feature=youtu.be
:bolt:
Anyone who says Skyyr wasn't one of the best sticks online at the time he played they are lieing to themselves....there isn't 10 active sticks in game who can beat me in a set 1v1(this isn't cocky, all the good sticks are gone because you lady boys won't fight) and he did. I'd like to fly against him again honestly because our fights gave me a lot of knowledge on E fighting.
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that sounds like a challenge to me junky! :devil (not 10 players)
DutchVII
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Anyone who says Skyyr wasn't one of the best sticks online at the time he played they are lieing to themselves....there isn't 10 active sticks in game who can beat me in a set 1v1(this isn't cocky, all the good sticks are gone because you lady boys won't fight) and he did. I'd like to fly against him again honestly because our fights gave me a lot of knowledge on E fighting.
Well then there are 11. :rofl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6W6FO2fxUI
(Thanks for posting this, S, as I don’t do the YouTube channel thing.)
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that sounds like a challenge to me junky! :devil (not 10 players)
DutchVII
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I've done KOTS 5 or 6 times now over the years, and I've yet to win a single round. Yet I always have a blast, especially getting to duel my fellow knits for a change.
One day someone will pick a hog, then I might stand a chance! :airplane:
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Anyone who says Skyyr wasn't one of the best sticks online at the time he played they are lieing to themselves....there isn't 10 active sticks in game who can beat me in a set 1v1(this isn't cocky, all the good sticks are gone because you lady boys won't fight) and he did. I'd like to fly against him again honestly because our fights gave me a lot of knowledge on E fighting.
Skyyr was good. He made the MA a fun game of cat and mouse. I do miss that...
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Skyyr was good. He made the MA a fun game of cat and mouse. I do miss that...
I do not Miss the Tonya Harding of Aces High. :aok
(https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/tonya-harding.gif?w=518)
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I knew my PC was on it's last legs when he would be flying along side of me on the climb out in a poni to a fight, then he would be 2500 in front of me in the furball in the blink of an eye while I was still in auto climb. Skyyr was on of those players you watched out of amazement when he switched to your side for the evening. Only other player I've seen do that was santa when I tried to vulch him. He was there one moment, then 2500 away the next. My mother board stopped posting about 12 months later so I know it was my PC couldn't handle his auwsumness.... ;)
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I do not Miss the Tonya Harding of Aces High. :aok
(https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/tonya-harding.gif?w=518)
Hard to blame you as I noticed your name as a kill often in his videos. :banana:
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I knew my PC was on it's last legs when he would be flying along side of me on the climb out in a poni to a fight, then he would be 2500 in front of me in the furball in the blink of an eye while I was still in auto climb. Skyyr was on of those players you watched out of amazement when he switched to your side for the evening. Only other player I've seen do that was santa when I tried to vulch him. He was there one moment, then 2500 away the next. My mother board stopped posting about 12 months later so I know it was my PC couldn't handle his auwsumness.... ;)
The guy has insane ability to manage/conserve energy and create angles. He knows where you'll be before you do. Wish I could do that.
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Durrrr no one posts vids of their deaths. Lol. Everything Skyyr "Tanya Harding" ever did in this game is suspect due to his choices. I will say no more as I do not want my buddies thread locked out but this dude deserves no accolades. He is gone and the game is better for it. Good riddance. :aok
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Skyyr was full of himself, but so what........he fought...... he shot me down more that I shot him down......who cares....the fights were always fun....... :old:
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Durrrr no one posts vids of their deaths. Lol. Everything Skyyr "Tanya Harding" ever did in this game is suspect due to his choices. I will say no more as I do not want my buddies thread locked out but this dude deserves no accolades. He is gone and the game is better for it. Good riddance. :aok
I would suggest when people try insults they spell their words properly. ;) I'm not even sure how the reference works.
Any way. Skyyr was an exceptional pilot in this game. You don't have to like it but it's a fact.
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Skyyr was full of himself, but so what........he fought...... he shot me down more that I shot him down......who cares....the fights were always fun....... :old:
A lot of that was an act, frankly. He was a nice guy in real life.
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A lot of that was an act, frankly. He was nice guy in real life.
Yeah after talking/flying with him a bit awhile back, this is definitely true.
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As for the topic of this thread, I was there watching Junky's stream and talking to him about it when this incident happened. It's hard, it's a real struggle to get there... but if you truly have the desire and want to get better, you will. I too participated in many KOTHs before I ever won a round, and got smacked around in 1v1s in the DA 100s of times in a row against some of the best pilots this game ever saw. Back then the competition was much more fierce than it is today.
Just keep going at it, maybe find a friend or somebody you know and ask them if they'd like to do some duels, it will help more than you can imagine. Aside from that, when you fly in the MA don't be afraid to throw yourself into a fight, if you're outnumbered, that's ok... give it all you have, take out as many before they get you. Eventually you will find yourself learning new tactics, and surviving longer and longer before you're shot down. One day it will click for you, and everything will make sense without even having to think about it.
Or if you're like me, it won't really make any sense how you flipped around and owned that guy, but you did it anyways. :neener:
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I think I may have shot the individual down :frown:
I did however have PM conversation with them later on and their mindset seemed set against the event with the main thought along the line that it's the same old crowd and can't break through.
Tried giving him my biggest pointer that helps me progress into a round and can actually get me to the "last two" occasionally :rofl
Winning usually never enters my realm of possibilities and I usually freak out if I get to last two with all those eyes watching how much of a pudding head I really am when I fly :rock I usually do something really marOOnish and get myself killed :aok
I used to, and will continue to say that KOTH is the best event for getting better in the LWA, MA, $Melee, whatever it's name gets changed to, period. The action is fast paced with minimal periods of boredom.
It gets you familiar with the vast majority of the plane set including pros and cons, and can increase one's situational awareness.
Watching films, and you can still film in CM Eye which is on there, you can also find your mistakes quicker and learn from others faster IF used properly.
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Never and never will partake in these events for the Alpha Males who thinks they have achieved something :old
Bruv mithering everyone in main areana about KOTH is annoying :old:
I cant help myself :P Most definitely takes one to know one RE bleating and mithering about gibberish!!! :banana:
I love you guys.
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KOTH is the most fun I've had since the old DA everyone should try. Yes I get my butt kicked but I learn a little every time.
<salute> Junky, Simon, Lazer and Yucca had a blast the other day
In game moose1
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Edited because I'll let skuzzy take a look first
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We went down this road already at the time. There's nothing to see.
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See Rule #4
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Since Skyyr taught me it was better than my WBs technique of “spamming” the Angle Trim button. :D (We didn't have CT, so I had no idea what it was.)
Squirming? I think not. Meeting me in the MA at 100% fuel in a Mustang is not the same as at 25% in the DA. You’re not the first person to get his ears pinned back by me that way. I kill you both places regardless. Shrug.
You changed your call sign yet? :rofl
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A lot of that was an act, frankly. He was a nice guy in real life.
Kinda the same way a carcinoma is nice after you cut it off. :bolt:
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Kinda the same way a carcinoma is nice after you cut it off. :bolt:
LOL
Well, I knew the guy personally so my take is a bit different than most. He was a great guy to have on your side. The attitude was an act. I told him I didn't think he should do it, but he had a reason--and it was all about winning, not being personal. Frankly, he would have been just as successful without it and probably a respected member of the community instead of a semi-pariah
He is a great teacher. I still use a lot of his techniques and they work. I remember being taunted by a guy in the MA one time and he hopped in as my observer. Even with lag and everything else he talked me through the fights until the other guy rage quit. (I never lost.)
:D
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I stopped doing KOTH when it became obvious people were working together.
Came back a few months ago and openly had a player calling out my positions on VOX.
Decided, again, not to return.
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I stopped doing KOTH when it became obvious people were working together.
Came back a few months ago and openly had a player calling out my positions on VOX.
Decided, again, not to return.
:salute
you know working together is not allowed and all suspicion should be reported right...
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KOTH is great fun, and one of the few places left where you can find a good fight, people can't run, and there's normally a good gentlemanly respect for things such as HOs and collisions. Doesn't mean they don't happen, but usually at least there's an apology and a mutual understanding that those things happen in close.
You also end up fighting in planes you may not be familiar with which makes the task even more fun/daunting.
In regards to Skyyr, I was never really a fan of his. For all his 'skill' he still used trainers to accomplish what he did. Not that it's a bad thing, but I feel like he had potential to be scarier if he mixed up his choices a bit. The main thing he was good at was HOing or getting the snap shot off on you if you tried to avoid the HO. He could also flip the LA back and forth so fast that you could be doing 450mph zooming through him and he was still able to flip back onto your 6 and pop you before you were 200m out. He was also one of the guys that could do the magic cartwheel trick if you got on his 6 and drop a crapload of E, then get it all back the second you overshot.
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KOTH is great fun, and one of the few places left where you can find a good fight, people can't run, and there's normally a good gentlemanly respect for things such as HOs and collisions. Doesn't mean they don't happen, but usually at least there's an apology and a mutual understanding that those things happen in close.
You also end up fighting in planes you may not be familiar with which makes the task even more fun/daunting.
In regards to Skyyr, I was never really a fan of his. For all his 'skill' he still used trainers to accomplish what he did. Not that it's a bad thing, but I feel like he had potential to be scarier if he mixed up his choices a bit. The main thing he was good at was HOing or getting the snap shot off on you if you tried to avoid the HO. He could also flip the LA back and forth so fast that you could be doing 450mph zooming through him and he was still able to flip back onto your 6 and pop you before you were 200m out. He was also one of the guys that could do the magic cartwheel trick if you got on his 6 and drop a crapload of E, then get it all back the second you overshot.
He was brilliant at seeing where everyone was and creating angles. He could put himself where you were going long before you knew that’s where you were going. He was a Boyd-like thinker, getting inside your OODA loop faster than you did. He knew everything you might do and could counter it. Fast, slow, whatever. He was also a sniper.
People who qualify his skill are not being honest with themselves.
Given more time he would have been scary, but he was good in any plane and in any circumstances. There are few people like that.
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Since Skyyr taught me it was better than my WBs technique of “spamming” the Angle Trim button. :D (We didn't have CT, so I had no idea what it was.)
Squirming? I think not. Meeting me in the MA at 100% fuel in a Mustang is not the same as at 25% in the DA. You’re not the first person to get his ears pinned back by me that way. I kill you both places regardless. Shrug.
You changed your call sign yet? :rofl
When have I changed my name? I've always had my main account JunkyII.
My second account has changed quite a bit.
Next time your on, let's redo that 1v1....shouldn't be hard right???
Oh wait you have never 1v1ed me lol.
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When have I changed my name? I've always had my main account JunkyII.
My second account has changed quite a bit.
Next time your on, let's redo that 1v1....shouldn't be hard right???
Oh wait
You got spanked. You lost the bet. You said you’d change your call sign to anything I wanted if you lost.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Oh wait you have never 1v1ed me lol.
I wanted to duel you but it totally got overlooked :uhoh
DutchVII
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you know working together is not allowed and all suspicion should be reported right...
I didn't want to make trouble. :salute
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I didn't want to make trouble. :salute
This may sound like a 'glory days' post but is not intended that way. KOTH used to be one of the more self-policed events and players would call out or 'refresh' players understandings of rules , fuel loadouts , stuff like that. It needed to be with the limitations of the CMs at that time and IMO let to a more ordered event, not sure the intent I want came through there, but for example if someone broke 6k it would get mentioned by whomever saw it and it would be dealt with usually with the guy just bailing.
I'd like to think people sticking up for the rules in any event is appreciated but both players and CMs for smooth and trouble free events.
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I didn't want to make trouble. :salute
Well please do that stuff is lame.
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He was brilliant at seeing where everyone was and creating angles. He could put himself where you were going long before you knew that’s where you were going. He was a Boyd-like thinker, getting inside your OODA loop faster than you did. He knew everything you might do and could counter it. Fast, slow, whatever. He was also a sniper.
People who qualify his skill are not being honest with themselves.
Given more time he would have been scary, but he was good in any plane and in any circumstances. There are few people like that.
I'd never known Skyyr to fight like that. In the DA and in the MA he was 100% e-fighter. He draw you up and too him and always has 1 oz more of Energy so he could hold a line while you would stall. Then he would kill you. Even in the DA where I recently ran into him under a shade, I know it was him after I won a fight and he slowly reverted back to Skyyr flying. He is extremely good at it, but it is kind of one dimensional. Vertical vertical vertical...they guy is always hanging in space and drifting slowly to get position or make you take an more aggressive line that will cost you Precious E. When I take my time, 1 v 1s with him take like 5-7 minutes in the DA to conclude.
Most other dog fighters, will throw in a few attempts at getting you to overshoot by turning hard and slowing down, but leaving themselves just enough E to maneuver for a shot before you escape. It a gamble that some are willing to try because it's fun to mix it up and keep your opponent guessing. Never knew Skyyr to ever gamble like that, which made him very predictable and boring to fight. like a broken record.
I think creative types, like Jaochim, JunkII, 2CMEX, Simon, Orelle, lil Mack, Yucca, show a range of skills and are much more fun to fight (even tho I lose to them as often as I did to Skyyr).
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I'd never known Skyyr to fight like that. In the DA and in the MA he was 100% e-fighter. He draw you up and too him and always has 1 oz more of Energy so he could hold a line while you would stall. Then he would kill you. Even in the DA where I recently ran into him under a shade, I know it was him after I won a fight and he slowly reverted back to Skyyr flying. He is extremely good at it, but it is kind of one dimensional. Vertical vertical vertical...they guy is always hanging in space and drifting slowly to get position or make you take an more aggressive line that will cost you Precious E. When I take my time, 1 v 1s with him take like 5-7 minutes in the DA to conclude.
Most other dog fighters, will throw in a few attempts at getting you to overshoot by turning hard and slowing down, but leaving themselves just enough E to maneuver for a shot before you escape. It a gamble that some are willing to try because it's fun to mix it up and keep your opponent guessing. Never knew Skyyr to ever gamble like that, which made him very predictable and boring to fight. like a broken record.
I think creative types, like Jaochim, JunkII, 2CMEX, Simon, Orelle, lil Mack, Yucca, show a range of skills and are much more fun to fight (even tho I lose to them as often as I did to Skyyr).
Skyyr was a master at forcing overshoots. I guess you've never seen his films.
SMH.
He is the most patient pilot I've ever seen and has the ability to create an E margin in droplets or buckets, but the end result is the same--he wins. I've seen him gamble plenty, and with the gunnery skill he has it's not really a gamble.
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Well please do that stuff is lame.
During a round I killed two pilots and moved the next closest fight, a 1v1. As I approached lining up the guy with the advantage, the other player..on VOX in the arena for all to hear said "Look out, hear comes Vinkman to kill us". The guy broke, I missed, I looked back to see they had disengaged each other and one was one my six, while the other extended to reset. I turned to mix it up with my pursuer and a few second later got picked by the other guy.
I tried to assess whether saying anything would make a difference or start a s**tstorm. Maybe it was innocent I told myself. I just wasn't in the mood to argue with anyone.
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Skyyr was a master at forcing overshoots. I guess you've never seen his films.
SMH.
He is the most patient pilot I've ever seen and has the ability to create an E margin in droplets or buckets, but the end result is the same--he wins. I've seen him gamble plenty, and with the gunnery skill he has it's not really a gamble.
All suspect. Every bit of this so called awesomeness. You can hump away at your friends ankle but it won't remove the tarnish of the bad choices that got him banned. :aok
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Skyyr was a master at forcing overshoots. I guess you've never seen his films.
He never tried when I was fighting him.
He is the most patient pilot I've ever seen and has the ability to create an E margin in droplets or buckets, but the end result is the same--he wins.
100% agree with this one.
I've seen him gamble plenty, and with the gunnery skill he has it's not really a gamble.
Not really. I'll go as far as to say he took more chances than Judge. :)
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He never tried when I was fighting him.
100% agree with this one.
Not really. I'll go as far as to say he took more chances than Judge. :)
Maybe he didn’t need to. The guy fights his fight not ours.
I flew with and against the guy more than anyone in the game currently. I stand by my statements.
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I did enjoy his zoom climbs from the runway to 10k in under a minute :bolt:
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I remember when skyyr raged logged out of the DA when I beat him in P-38s, Bf 109K4s and FW 190D-9s.
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I remember when skyyr raged logged out of the DA when I beat him in P-38s, Bf 109K4s and FW 190D-9s.
I doubt it.
I’ve beaten you in the DA and Skyyr is 1000 times better than I am.
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I doubt it.
I’ve beaten you in the DA and Skyyr is 1000 times better than I am.
You did not beat me in the DA, the time we went you lost each time. Though, just like skyyr, the truth and you have some serious disagreements.
The films of the skyyr duels were uploaded to the old Flamewarrior's site. If that site is still up, you can view the films yourself.
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You did not beat me in the DA, the time we went you lost each time. Though, just like skyyr, the truth and you have some serious disagreements.
The films of the skyyr duels were uploaded to the old Flamewarrior's site. If that site is still up, you can view the films yourself.
Please. I beat you in your own ride. Beat you in Doras. Beat you in the 38 vs you in the Dora. Your memory is failing, bruh.
I don’t visit that lame site. Sorry.
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See Rule #4
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This has gone off the rails.