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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Rondar on January 24, 2018, 11:09:33 AM
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I recently bought a new computer with an Intel I-7-8700 processor, ssd, 16g of ram, and a NVIDEA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB graphics card. I'm still using my old Asus 24" 1920 x 1080 ips display. I am thoroughly confused by all this refresh rate stuff. I assume for the best I would want to buy a g-sync monitor, but I don't want to spend 500+ dollars for one.
I would like to step up to a 27" to maybe a 32" monitor. Will one of the cheaper freesync monitors work? Now I know that I will not get the benefits of freesync doing this but what refresh rate would I get or even need? Is a 60 hz refresh rate all I really need or what?
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As I understand it, there is no benefit to a Freesync monitor with an Nvidia GPU.
Some say there is an advantage to higher monitor refresh rates. I have never had a monitor that will go faster than 60Hz, so can't comment.
I use Nvidia "fast" sync with vsync turned off. "Fast" sync is an advantage when the game render rate is faster than the monitor refresh (which would probably be your situation if you use a 60Hz monitor). On my system, the AH render rate varies from 60ish to 150+ -- usually around 80-90. What "fast" sync does is buffer the frames and wait until the monitor is ready for a new one, then send the most recently rendered frame. This provides low lag and eliminates "tearing". Gsync is an advantage when the monitor refresh rate is faster than the render rate, it will slow the refresh to match the render rate.
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Your old monitor is still valid by all measures as long as it works flawlessly. 24" is also a very good size for 1920 x 1080. So if you're happy with it there's nothing to be ashamed of.
However, your video card is capable for much more than what your monitor can display. There's two routes you can choose and even mix to a certain extent.
Route 1: More pixels and size. You've most likely heard about 4K. It literally is as tough for a video card as four of your current monitors. If the image quality of your current one pleases you, a 48" 4K would give the same level of sharpness with quadruplicated details. Small 4K screens are somewhat of a waste of resources since the details in pictures would be too small for you to see. If you want something between 24 and 48 inches, there's resolutions like 2560 x 1440 which according the same math would suit a 30 - 34" screen. Also, there's 30 - 40" ultra wide screens at 3440 x 1440, all of which are easier to the GPU than 4K. Notice that size doesn't matter, the pixel count does.
Route 2: Higher refresh rate. The refresh rate of your monitor is what limits your frame rate. Although some people used to say that everything past 30 FPS is overkill and can't be seen, mostly based on the movie frame rate, it's a fact that in real life there's no frame rate or it's infinite. In either case anything less only gives an illusion of fluency. Back then players with better hardware claimed they could see the difference between 30 and 60 FPS, now it's between 60 and 120 FPS. So the better the equipment get, the less we allow our eyes and brains being fooled.
For a GTX 1070 Ti 4K should play quite nicely at 60 Hz, maybe with some details cut. A 1440p or an ultra wide at 100+ Hz might be nicer for fast paced games.
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I was thinking of a 2K monitor. I guess my question was can I run it faster than 60 Hz refresh rate but not at freesync levels. All the stuff is Greek to me
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Freesync is not supported by NVidia. It is a wasted feature for you.
Whatever the native vertical sync rate is of the monitor will be the frame rate the game is going to run at. We do not recommend disabling vertical sync.
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Rondar look at 27", 2560x1440, 120hz or faster.
Or just get a VR headset. :D
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Thanks guys. For some reason I had it stuck in my mind if I didn't use gsync I would be stuck at 60 hz refresh rate.
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Gsynch would be smoother at low framerates.
Adjust your settings for best picture with framerates to match the monitor, i.e. 120 or better.
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Rondar look at 27", 2560x1440, 120hz or faster.
I'd rather recommend 30" for that resolution, it has roughly the same pixel size as the current one which correlates directly to font and icon size. I.e. the familiar look plus half a screen of extra space. I know by experience, I have both.
A strong yes for 120 Hz or faster.
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In your thoughts, you might add VR. Just note VR is not an eye candy machine.
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I'd rather recommend 30" for that resolution, it has roughly the same pixel size as the current one which correlates directly to font and icon size. I.e. the familiar look plus half a screen of extra space. I know by experience, I have both.
A strong yes for 120 Hz or faster.
Given the Op's financial restraint I recommended the less expensive size for 120hz.
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Given the Op's financial restraint I recommended the less expensive size for 120hz.
For what I've seen size doesn't affect pricing too much if the overall quality stays the same. Something like https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VA32AQ-1440p-DisplayPort-Monitor/dp/B01M10V28T/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1516896125&sr=1-5&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570749011%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547808011%2Cp_36%3A-40000 (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VA32AQ-1440p-DisplayPort-Monitor/dp/B01M10V28T/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1516896125&sr=1-5&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570749011%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547808011%2Cp_36%3A-40000) would fit the criteria for a decent price, IMO.
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I'm not seeing 120hz for that monitor.
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Sorry, wrong version.
Misread 1440 as 144 Hz.
This? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM6023887&cm_re=1440p_144hz_monitor-_-9SIA6BM6023887-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM6023887&cm_re=1440p_144hz_monitor-_-9SIA6BM6023887-_-Product)
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Vsych off and fast in nvidia settings, i just bought a 144hz AOC G2460pf monitor.
The freesynch no use for my card but the game is smooth and no stutters, i never go below 80 fsp and no tearing :banana:
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I dont recall noticing a difference when I upgraded from an old 60hz monitor to a nice new 144hz other than greatly improved colors/picture quality. In my own opinion I wouldnt pay much of a premium just to get higher hz, but these days most of the monitors have it anyway so might as well get it.
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I noticed a huge increase when I moved into my Dell S2716DG G-Sync 27" monitor from my old Samsung 27" P2770. In fact I still have it connected to my desktop as a secondary monitor but as soon as I save up the extra $$$ I am getting 2 more of these Dell monitors to finally flesh out my desktop setup.
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I dont recall noticing a difference when I upgraded from an old 60hz monitor to a nice new 144hz other than greatly improved colors/picture quality. In my own opinion I wouldnt pay much of a premium just to get higher hz, but these days most of the monitors have it anyway so might as well get it.
I believe it's one of those things that will differ from person to person. I notice a pretty significant difference between my 144hz 1080p monitor and the 60hz tv I use as a second monitor right beside it. After playing on the 144hz I have become immune to the difference (can't find the right words for that one) -- until I drag my browser or even my cursor alone to the second screen.
To me, it's worth a bit extra for 144hz. But I am still young :old:
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It's amazing how fast we can get used to almost anything. I use my old 24" monitor at our meetings twice a year, at home I have this 30" with a higher resolution. The only noticeable issue is that I have to change the video settings and the locations for radio screens when swapping monitors. Well, my numerous desktop icons also change location but that's not a biggie. In a few hours everything feels familiar and normal. Of course in my case it helps that the two monitors have the same pixel size which makes text and icons appear in the same size on the screen. The image quality and colour temperature also look similar and the refresh rate is the same. I don't know by experience how it would feel to return from 144 Hz to 60, that might make a difference especially for an active gamer. In desktop use that doesn't make any difference.