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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FX1 on January 30, 2018, 09:46:16 AM
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Anyone had experience with 9mm or 45. I lost my carry g43 this weekend and need to replace with a all steel gun.
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Springfield EMP, but mine is the older model. The newer ones are 4" IIRC. Also the Sig P938, both in 9mm. Very small for carry but decent quality. I don't buy kimber, like colt, over hyped over priced and under quality IMO. The fact that kimber only provides one mag finishes the deal to me, Springfield provides 3.
Still I also like the Glock 19 for belt carry as well as the LCP for pocket carry. While I like the 1911 platform I am not "married" to it and find that other makes / models of handguns perform as well or better for various purposes. In this regard I find diversity is indeed wonderful.
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Sti duty one or escort is what I am looking at. I had a couple kimbers and they didn't like all ammo. Still have spring kits for those guns.
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Well, the heck with all of you. I've had a Kimber Compact Carry .45 ACP for nearly ten years, and I love it.
- oldman
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I’m a Sig guy all the way, 229/239. Both shoot wonderfully in 9mm since you mentioned it.
Only .45 I ever liked to shoot was the P220. 1911s are iconic but mine live in the safe.
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It will be my finishing pistol for ranch carry. The extra thumb safety I like because I don't always have it in a holster. Always was paranoid with the glock without the holster.
I just shot my buddies kimber raptor in 45 and it was ok. I have plenty of 45's and only have two 9mms. Kinda would like another one for a excuse to buy more ammo.
It would be nice to find someone with a 9mm 1911 to compare.
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Where are you carrying it?
In a jacket pocket? Waistband?
For multiple safeties including external it’s hard to beat a Beretta. In 9mm they feel like a .22LR.
If it has to be a 1911 why not a Para?
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=Para+1911+3+Inch+3”
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Main reason is that sti just stopped making 1911. The prices shot down because dealers can sell them for cost if they want. I can see the prices shooting back up.
Also sti is one of the best shops in the country. I live down the road and took a tour of their shop. Basically you get a custom tuned gun and fit and finish is up their with the best.
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/741844229
This guys reserve is too high but I found the same pistol in stainless for less. Only issue that it's a 9mm. Having a hard time getting over that hump.
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Gman and Mav usually have great advice on subject matter.
Personally, I carry a Colt Commander (2013) in .45ACP in the winter (very comfortably) in an OWB holster. This thing is a lazer at the range. Makes anyone look good, right out of the box.
Summer time I carry a lighter weight CZ75 PCR in 9mm. Small, lightweight, conceals nicely IWB for those hot summer days where nothing but a t-shirt is worn. Sure there are smaller more compact pistols for summer carry, but this pistol is like the Commander, makes everyone look good on the range.
Carry what you can confidently group on the range.
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/741844229
This guys reserve is too high but I found the same pistol in stainless for less. Only issue that it's a 9mm. Having a hard time getting over that hump.
9mm is a great round with all the advancements in bullet technology. If it is to put something out of its misery I would think that's enough. I have zero experience with 1911s in 9mm. As long as they function reliably...
As for the reserve prices, just keep searching that site and you'll snipe one for cheap eventually. I've bought a lot of handguns that way. Never had a problem. There are some lugnuts that constantly re-post the same outrageously priced gun over and over and over hoping someone stupid will buy it. Just keep searching.
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How do you intend to carry it?
I would never carry a 1911 cocked and locked other than in a holster. Seen too many instances of people AD'ing themselves. Heck I wouldn't carry it with a round in the chamber that way either, frankly. Plenty of good options out there for carry rigs.
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9mm is a great round with all the advancements in bullet technology. If it is to put something out of its misery I would think that's enough.
As for the reserve prices, just keep searching that site and you'll snipe one for cheap eventually. I've bought a lot of handguns that way. Never had a problem. There are some lugnuts that constantly re-post the same outrageously priced gun over and over and over hoping someone stupid will buy it. Just keep searching.
I agree! The 9mm has come along way and the price of ammo has stayed relatively the same.
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I agree! The 9mm has come along way and the price of ammo has stayed relatively the same.
Yep. In a way it bums me out because I was a huge .40 S&W fan, but the 9mm is starting to render it obsolete. Thankfully I have spare .357SIG barrels for each gun just in case.
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Gman and Mav usually have great advice on subject matter.
Personally, I carry a Colt Commander (2013) in .45ACP in the winter (very comfortably) in an OWB holster. This thing is a lazer at the range.
Carry what you can confidently group on the range.
I agree with you.... Especially the last sentence
I carry my 1975 Colt Combat Commander .45 STS satin finish, either mid-back, side or shoulder holster...depending on what, when and where I'm going and time of year... my Grandpa gave me this gun when I graduated Navy boot camp in 85.... I took full ownership when he passed in the mid 90's... But I have been shooting it since I was 8 years old..... and even after 42+ years of shooting it, I can still rapid fire a full clip and keep a 4.5 to 5 inch grouping at 50 yards.... Firing single shots my grouping comes in under 3 inches....
I love my Ruger BlackHawk .44 revolver, but being single action, I am nowhere close... even with the fluted barrel, it still kicks harder than my. 45....
But I got my marksman in boot camp on the 1911. 45 (after passing first round with .22 on 1911 frame)... Only 3 of us out of 120 recruits that day got marksman and I had just turned 17 by 3 weeks...
Later on I got qualified on the pump shotgun navy/marine model mossburg and then some rifles.... I only needed the. 45 and shotgun qualifications for Shore Patrol duty and flight line guard duty
One of my friends recently bought a new colt defender. 45 3 in. and I hate it and it's 3 times louder than my old .45 which is only like 1 1/2 in longer barrel....
FX1, I know you're an avid sportsman that hunts and if I remember correctly your daughter hunts with you.... Most people don't realize or understand wildlife conservation and the need for hunting... As I was always taught, if you ain't gonna eat it don't waste the bullet/round/shell.... Shoot a picture instead...
Hate to hear that you lost your gun...hope you have already reported it
Cheers
TC
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How do you intend to carry it?
I would never carry a 1911 cocked and locked other than in a holster. Seen too many instances of people AD'ing themselves. Heck I wouldn't carry it with a round in the chamber that way either, frankly. Plenty of good options out there for carry rigs.
If not cocked and locked, might as well carry a rock in your pocket.
The Colt 1911 has two safeties, a grip safety which pressure has to be applied. And the thumb safety.
Edit: Oh, didn't see your "other than a holster" comment. Yes, agree. Cocked and locked, one chambered if in a holster.
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I lost it on Sunday quail hunting. No way I am going to find it. We covered a 900 acre pasture and the grass is high.
I started to carry after my dog had a run in with a pig and her piglets last month. She pointed at a large group of catus and I knew something was up when she looked back at me. We backed out but I could only imagine what would have happen if she got in the middle of a large sow and her piglets.
28ga would have just kissed her off.
Normally I have a rifle in the buggie and their isn't a replacement for being armed at all times.
I carry my large 2011 ready to go. Thumb safety on and one in the chamber. Its hard for me to not have a loaded gun. Many times I have screwed up not having a round in the chamber.
I like the idea of having the same grip angle and safety. I was a glock fan but spending extra money on triggers and spring sets offsets the cost on a perfect pistol out of the box.
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Fair advice, but... It sounds like grouping isn't the main criteria.
He's wanting it to put down wounded game he comes across. Think, whacking a Javelina and it's still up. Pow pow, in the head, close range. That's how I read it.
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My business was the distributor nationally here in Canada for both the Kimber and STI handguns from the late 90s to mid/late 2000s, and while 3" were under the legal limit to import here, I've shot a lot of the Kimber micro 1911s as their HQ was just South of us in Calgary down into Montana and I was there pretty much every month on business for years. Either company makes a decent 3" 1911, just be aware that in my experience when you get down to those really short sub Commander length barrel 1911s, the pickier they become regarding ammunition. That isn't to say you can't find extremely reliable ammunition in all types, be it defensive or FMJ/Etc loads, you just need to do some research and test shooting with whatever you buy.
Like others have said, just be sure it's comfortable for you to shoot with, and you should be fine - if you already shoot a 1911 well, and most should as I've found it's grip's dimensions, angles, ergos, etc, to be about the most universally comfortable and compatible of any handgun, you certainly shouldn't expect any issues with the 3" micro 1911 type handguns.
STI overall make/made excellent 1911s. I put a lot of Winchester 230 gr white box .45 through a couple STI 1911s I had, easily a case a month through each for a couple years when instructing, training at other schools, and competing until my company (Sig) came out with their own line of 1911s.
Kimber on the other hand did have some QC issues in later years, I'm not all that current on that state of affairs, as when we first carried their line they were easily the most trouble free units of everything we sold other than perhaps Sig's 226 line. I'm talking about 1000s of Kimbers sold, and 100s of thousands of rounds on our rental line through Super Matches, Gold Matches, Kimber IIs, etc, with the lowest number of parts and catastrophic failures of anything other than the 226s we ran which it was a draw with in that department. As they grew and expanded something happened, but today, from all I've heard and read it isn't that hard to find a good quality Kimber 1911, just check it out closely before you buy it.
Whatever you buy, again, really check it out, if you look at Kimbers check the barrel crown, the fit and finish, and look around the chamber areas for rough tooling work and marks, that sort of thing. It's pretty easy to find the "Monday and Friday" built guns in any line if you take your time and do proper inspection. I've seen Smith 1911s that looked like the barrels were cut with a hacksaw, and others in the same batch that shot darts and felt smooth as a sewing machine and would group 1.5 inch groups at 25m all day off a bench. Same with STI, although typically it's harder to find a "bad" one, they still are capable of producing a lemon, so really, really inspect the crap out of whatever you decide to purchase. While your purpose sounds like long range shots aren't all that important, good quality should be something you always demand in any firearm you plan to use, and who knows, you may need to make a shot on a charging hog or other dangerous animals someday with that 3" handgun.
Last thing, you're absolutely going to notice more muzzle flip and general recoil with a 3", I'm sure that's obvious, but until you shoot one, you'll not realize how much more you need to adjust your shooting and timing compared to a 5" standard 1911 using similar ammunition. It's no big deal IMO, anyone with good fundamentals can handle and adjust to it.
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Sound is a issue. I was ok with the g43 for a couple of shots. The 45 might be noticeably louder. Most of the time I do the one arm over the head. Bicep closing one ear finger in the other ear.
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147 gr 9mm worked awesome. Great recoil in a short barrel.
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If not cocked and locked, might as well carry a rock in your pocket.
The Colt 1911 has two safeties, a grip safety which pressure has to be applied. And the thumb safety.
Edit: Oh, didn't see your "other than a holster" comment. Yes, agree. Cocked and locked, one chambered if in a holster.
:salute
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One of my friends recently bought a new colt defender. 45 3 in. and I hate it and it's 3 times louder than my old .45 which is only like 1 1/2 in longer barrel....
It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs. They really aren't intended for extended target practice.
- oldman
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It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs. They really aren't intended for extended target practice.
- oldman
And this highlights the problem with the whole make-them-smaller craze: physics. Lighter may feel good to carry around but they’re not so fun to shoot.
I’m a tall guy with large hands. You get much smaller than a Sig 239 and it just doesn’t feel good to hold. Having your pinky finger floating in space is hardly reassuring.
I’ve been shooting the 229 since 1996. Beretta 92/96 since 1990. I’ve stuck with them so long they’re completely intuitive. Like driving an old car.
They’re big. They have heft. And I can shoot them all day without feeling like I beat myself up. Carrying them is a breeze. I don’t even notice the weight. The 239 is even better in that regard and still shoots softly. Again, weight matters. Something to think about.
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Sti duty one or escort is what I am looking at. I had a couple kimbers and they didn't like all ammo. Still have spring kits for those guns.
FX,
I have an STI Trojan 1911 in 9mm w 5" barrel. I've had it for maybe 10 years? and it's been the best pistol I've ever owned - and I've had a lot. Slide is smooth as butter and just tight/loose enough to not lock up when it gets a little dust on it, very comfortable to shoot, and I don't remember ever having a stoppage with it. STI puts out a great product, I'd highly recommend anything that they produce.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12)
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12)
STI duty one in 9mm. It was a gunsmith build and he purchased it on their employee sale. He said there is only a handful of these floating around and he did all the slide work. Only test fired.
Cost was $750. I had about the same into my g43.
Thinking about having the slide milled for a rmr or some other red dot. I have found that night sights aren't worth the money and it comes down to a red dot with a good light.
I have red dots on all my pistols and highly recommend anyone to spend the money.
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It's a fact that the 3" .45s double as flashbangs. They really aren't intended for extended target practice.
- oldman
Way back in a galaxy far away and more decades ago than I want to admit to, when I was a new rookie Officer, my department required us to shoot 38's. They would provide the pistol. model 15 S&W, usually loose as a goose and if you shook it sounded like a car with gravel in the hubcaps. We used "practice" ammo for qualification but did once a year to rotate the ammo you were issued, shoot our duty ammo, Super Vel 125 gr. That stuff from a 4" gun would put out a ball of fire 4' across and 6' long. From a snub nosed detective special you could see the flash from space, in the daytime. If you were on night shift, and I was for most of my first 5 years, you had to qualify at night. On the times you shot the duty ammo at night you had damn well better be on target the first shot because after that you were just shooting the flash images on your retinas.
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:rofl Good one Maverick.
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Way back in a galaxy far away and more decades ago than I want to admit to, when I was a new rookie Officer, my department required us to shoot 38's. They would provide the pistol. model 15 S&W, usually loose as a goose and if you shook it sounded like a car with gravel in the hubcaps. We used "practice" ammo for qualification but did once a year to rotate the ammo you were issued, shoot our duty ammo, Super Vel 125 gr. That stuff from a 4" gun would put out a ball of fire 4' across and 6' long. From a snub nosed detective special you could see the flash from space, in the daytime. If you were on night shift, and I was for most of my first 5 years, you had to qualify at night. On the times you shot the duty ammo at night you had damn well better be on target the first shot because after that you were just shooting the flash images on your retinas.
But you guys were still on horseback then weren't you? :D :D :D
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This whole thread segment made me laugh. :rofl
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Regarding flash and report, one of the stupidest things I ever did when I was a teenager was I was at the range with my cousin, he had a cheap little .45 Astra. It might've even been a 2" barrel. We'd forgotten the muffs at the car, my cousin went back to get them. I'm on the line looking at the gun, and figured, "Bah! I don't need muffs." and took a shot.
...Yeah. It stopped ringing after about 4 days. Lesson learned.
Wiley.
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Speaking of large muzzle flash, back before the defense ammo craze really heated up, around 2003 or so IIRC, Frangible and RUAG came out with this 75gr 9mm that was ++P++ insanity, pushing close to 2000fps in a 4.5+in bbl. I shot a bunch out of my G26 - despite the factory warning me that they had nicknamed it "Glock Breaker" due to it killing 2 test pistols in less than 2000 rounds (that kind of pressure + tiny steel inserts in a polymer frame = catastrophic failure formula number one). Anyhow, the flash in the dark rivaled that of my 7" DPMS AR upper - I have some old video somewhere, it's a beach ball, a large one, and would absolutely be an issue if shooting in the dark, it's blinding. Loud too.
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That’s like my Taurus Raging Bull in .454 Casull. The flame that comes out of the muzzle is four feet long at least and then all this stuff out of the ports. Whew.
Shot one time with a friend standing off to the side behind me. The concussion/pressure wave actually gave him a shoulder spasm I kid you not.
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But you guys were still on horseback then weren't you? :D :D :D
Yup but then again it bets the covered dinosaurs our parents rode on doesn't it. Now get the hell off of my lawn. :neener:
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Fireball? Did someone say fireball?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/1873-Springfield-Trapdoor-45/n-gxR9F/i-ZnxPggx/0/8687b04a/O/i-ZnxPggx.jpg)
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Bob shooting one of my Savages (.308) using H335. A known 'fireball' powder!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Target/i-6ckfDJt/0/3cabb5ef/L/BB-L.jpg)
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If a fireball is just uncombusted gasses, could you reduce the powder load and get the same velocity?
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If a fireball is just uncombusted gasses, could you reduce the powder load and get the same velocity?
Yes. That's part of the fun of reloading, is trying to hit that perfect combination.
You need a lot of patience, though, and a convenient range.
- oldman (and some money, did I mention that?)
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If a fireball is just uncombusted gasses, could you reduce the powder load and get the same velocity?
It’s more than just unburned gases/powder. There is a lot that goes into it. The configuration of the firearm itself can preclude eliminating the flash.
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Just shot my new Sti duty one 3inch 9mm this weekend. Worth every penny then some. A couple of my friends came out and we did the Pepsi challenge. SW shield 9mm, turas compact 45, kimber ultra carry 9mm, glock 43, berreta courgar 380, colt 1911 defender 9mm, colt 1911 3 inch 45, Sig "something" can't remeber 9mm.
We all shot 1/2 of a box with each gun. Lets say their are a couple new buyers for a sti in the market this week. Very pleased with the purchase.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/KymdYUJAYLdlxeK12)
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fx,
I carry a g43 IWB on my right hip. on several occasions when removing the pistol to store for the evening I have notice the clip Is lose. I imagine I am pressing the magazine release some how and was just wondering if you or anyone else had seen or come across this?