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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: atlau on March 14, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
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I was looking at my GPUs software and was wondering whether overclocking the core speed or the memory speed would be more beneficial of the two (if i had to choose between the 2). Anyone have any experience in this?
It also appears that Ah3 doesn't even use more than 1gb of my cards VRAM. Does that sound right to y'all?
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The amount of video RAM used is going to change based on different circumstances. The terrain, the number of players around you, the number of different skins, and so on all impact the amount of video RAM used.
I doubt you will ever see AH3 use more than 2GB of video RAM, but certainly more than 1GB can be used.
I would think memory speed would be the gating factor.
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Skuzzy, how much of a role does the texture size play? I have 4096 selected but wondering if i should try 2048 or 1024
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Texture size impacts how much the card has to work to present it on the monitor. The larger the texture size, the more work the video card has to do to get that pixel colored.
Just know I am simplifying this description.
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Ha yes i aporeciate the simpler explanation. Trying to get the best image/fps tradeoff is frustrating when one has OCD :)
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Overclocking is a bit of an art. It takes time and patience. There is no magic wand or set of settings that will work as every card is different from every other card even if they're the same exact model. Gotta find it yourself. I use msi afterburner to overclock my 1060. Makes it easy to do and there are 5 pre sets you can set up so you can track your progress. I use 5 as my absolute high-end overclock attained that I never actually use other than for testing. Tweak a setting. Run a benchmark. I've used the Unigine benchmarks on max settings. Record results. Repeat. Repeat. Baby steps. Eventually you'll see one of two things, either crazy lines or glitchy stuff or your temps start going nuts--which will cause that too! Once you get to there, back off a few steps to where things are stable in the benchmark. Now run the thing for an hour or so keeping a sharp eye on the temps. If things still look good after that you're probably good to go. The short of it is every little bit helps. A good overclock will get you better performance over a straight stock card.
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A good overclock will get you better performance over a straight stock card.
About what percent fps improvement did you get from your 1060?
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In AH I get a stable 60 fps with all but environmental maxed while overclocked. I'll get little dips under 50 without depending on the ammount of mayhem going on around me. Overclocking is just SOP with me. I'm just a tweaker.
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In AH I get a stable 60 fps with all but environmental maxed while overclocked. I'll get little dips under 50 without depending on the ammount of mayhem going on around me. Overclocking is just SOP with me. I'm just a tweaker.
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What resolution is that at?
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1080
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I notice some enthusiasts like to engage in overclocking their GPU/CPU.
To me it's not worth the small performance gain vs the degradation of the chip.
This is why I buy FTW only. Let them find the best stable clock at the shop (ya know, where they make them)
Coogan
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Im getting about a 10% bump on the benchmarks. Not sure how well that will translate to AH3.
Of note the Dx11 benchmarks performs better than Dx9. Wondering i should be playing the Dx11 version of ah
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--- Wondering i should be playing the Dx11 version of ah
Yes and no... If your system is Dx11 compatible, some graphic elements would work better. Then again, the Dx11 version still suffers from occasional one second freezes.
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I was wondering if the micro freezing issue had been resolved. Ive been using the dx9 version for the last year and havent tried 11 since.
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I was wondering if the micro freezing issue had been resolved. Ive been using the dx9 version for the last year and havent tried 11 since.
DX11 is much worse than micro-stutter. Almost near game breaking. (depends on what you're doing I guess)
Coogan
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Yes and no... If your system is Dx11 compatible, some graphic elements would work better. Then again, the Dx11 version still suffers from occasional one second freezes.
Not all systems suffer this. We have never had it happen in any of our internal systems.
I use DX11, exclusively, hoping to get it to happen. Also does not happen in VR/MR headsets and those are all DX11 based (sort of points to a video card driver being the issue).
Makes us a little crazy. We know it is an issue (other games have had it to) and no one has ever been able to reliably reproduce it. Those types of issues are crazy making. Without being able to reproduce it, it is nearly impossible to figure out what is causing it.
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Thx, Skuzzy. I play the Dx11 version, too, just to see if the issue occurs. No clue so far what is the culprit. My skill level is so low and my flying hours so spare that a seconds freeze every once in a while doesn't ruin my gameplay.
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whats the benefits of DX11
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Zack, for me it gave better fps, specially over towns, i gave it up due to freezes and run dx9
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Not all systems suffer this. We have never had it happen in any of our internal systems.
I use DX11, exclusively, hoping to get it to happen. Also does not happen in VR/MR headsets and those are all DX11 based (sort of points to a video card driver being the issue).
Makes us a little crazy. We know it is an issue (other games have had it to) and no one has ever been able to reliably reproduce it. Those types of issues are crazy making. Without being able to reproduce it, it is nearly impossible to figure out what is causing it.
Have you tried using headsets? I hear a distinct background buzz about every 1.5 seconds that's accompanied by a mini-freeze. I use a Sades SA-920 and cheap Logitech. Happens with both about 90% of the time, and it happens with both Dx11 & 9. Best way to describe the buzz is a guitar being plugged into an amp though much more subtle.
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Overclock your CPU, but not your GPU unless you have hours upon hours of time tinkering. Typically turn off high levels of antialiasing and disable water effects in games for speed.
Overclock your CPU if it is a chip begging to overclock. Some chips beg for it. I always run my cheap Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (12 thread) at a staggering 5.0 Ghz.
Never try to overclock RAM on either motherboard or CPU. Ever. (use the XMP profile if it has a rated one).
I never tried stability tests of my 5 Ghz 3700K at higher speeds but theoretically, one in 35 chips will run at 5.3 on water pump. (Yes I use a cheap water pump on this cheap chip).
If you use liquid Nitrogen instead of water, and get a lucky chip, you can get the speed to 7.4 Ghz instead of 5 Ghz !!! :
https://www.pcgamer.com/overclocker-bathes-core-i7-8700k-in-ln2-and-doubles-clockspeed-to-74ghz/
I always buy overclockable versions of GPUs but do not overclock GPUs because I need to trust them for OpenCL and other computation. I have a 1080 TI and did not have to pay $1,500 for it, I cried and whined at a store and got it new for 741 dollars due to a variety of store circumstances. A 1080TI is supposed to be the fastest but as of March 4 2018 it is only 3.00 times faster than a Nvidia 770 for math computation benchmarks. Just three times faster.
If you dont want to delid your chip yourself (needed to get 5.0Ghz to 5.3 on water), you can buy a 5.3 Ghz rated 6 core chip from siliconlottery (a delid and binning service) but this week they removed the 5.3 listing and offer 5.2s only :
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/coffeelake
Using no heat sink and no water pump (air pocket mistake), will result in the 8 temperature sensors protecting the i8700k chip in turning down its speed dramatically within 3 seconds once it hits 99centigrade. I tested this to death endlessly. With vertical radiator , two aftermarket high pressure low noise fans, and in a cold michigan home, I see idle temps of chip of 23C and peak temps in stress benchmarks of a laughably coldish 46C , ever, as in peak.
Overclocking is also for silence, in normal operations, you can have nearly every fan almost off in the entire machine, the fans totally OFF in powersupply, and the three 1080yi fans totally off.
Its not as quiet as a real apple product due to faint sound of water pump, but I suggest everyone here to rush out and but a 6 core i8700K or wait a year for the cheap home-gamer 8 cores coming out (Icelake).
You must delid, or use SiliconLottery.com for chips begging for it. Some chips really really are easy to delid (and relid) and I got 21C drop to 19C drop from delidding alone. Shame on intel.
If you buy a new pc meant for i8700k (called z370 boards), get NVMe (or NVMe(s)) for it not much slower SSDs.
The comment above about aging chips or stressing them is misinformed. They do not die sooner. The overclock chemicals last shorter vs thermal grease, but that can be reapplied. The chips never run faster than one 40th speed, unless doing actual work. they nap relentlessly. A tool that shows actual napping states will reveal this to you on mac or windows. It runs at 5Ghz only when something majorly useful to do.
And even that does not burn it out. It is true the gates on the silicon are an average of 2.5 atoms thick in height and 11 atoms wide, but electrons bump to travel and the flow of electricity and heat do not age the chip. cutting all power and applying power to a cold chip tens of thousands of times can harm it though.
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whats the benefits of DX11
I also get better fps with DX11.
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Go8ng to give it a go I can live with freezes
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Tried dx11 recently. Seems to be smooth. In the past i did experience the microfreezes. Not surw if they are gone or just lucky!