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Title: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Mano on May 17, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
Only two were made and one was captured by the allies in April of 1945. It could fly at 997 km/h (623 mph), which if true meant that it was significantly faster than the Me 262. The flying wing was much more maneuverable than the Me-262 even though it used the same jet engines. Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early-warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz (top end of the HF band). It would be AH's first stealth plane.

I would perk it 250 points to start.  :)

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rcgs3/robot/1/8/e/c/8/18ec8473736be7b36b3d3d860710fcc1.jpg)

(http://media.techeblog.com/images/horten-ho-229.jpg)

(http://www.luft46.com/ggart/ggho9-12.jpg)

(http://worldwarwings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/horten_ho_229_by_tr4br-d3icg18.jpg)

(https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/images/WEB12026-2011h.jpg)

 :salute
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: wil3ur on May 17, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Holy crap, is that hangar pic real?   I was at the air and space museum at dulles in 2012 and they were just starting to restore one.  It was just the wings at the time. I'll have to dig up the pics

Probably just as valid as our n1k.  :rofl
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Karnak on May 17, 2018, 08:21:41 PM
Probably just as valid as our n1k.  :rofl
What do you mean?  The N1K2-J in AH doesn't even have its automatic combat flaps modeled.
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 09:11:52 PM
It was never used in combat so that won't happen.
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Oldman731 on May 18, 2018, 07:53:57 AM
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe!

Now there's a concept worth pursuing!

- oldman (who wants his trusty P-80)
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Devil 505 on May 18, 2018, 08:21:38 AM
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe!

Now there's a concept worth pursuing!

- oldman (who wants his trusty P-80)

Didn't that game also have the Goblin?
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Krusty on May 18, 2018, 11:54:08 AM
Ignore all the other games that put this in. They're making up details and facts based on wishful thinking that was never realized. It was built to fulfill a requirement that a plane would fly 1000 km/h but it never did. It also only had 2 mockups, and they were not even preproduction models but more like testbeds to confirm the design could fly... which technically it could but it was highly unstable and this was before any fly-by-wire computer controls like our B-2 bomber has to keep it perfectly stable. Those didn't even have retracting landing gear and it was never armed.

Pipe dreams and propaganda. Even if they had got it to a point that it might have tried some form of combat, it would have been very slow, very unmaneuverable (spin prone and hard to get out) and the engines weren't producing as much power as hoped and were more than likely to fail than to perform as expected. Remember that Germany didn't have access to certain metals that could withstand the forces/pressures/heats of a turbojet engine, so they made most of theirs out of lesser metals which failed after very short lifespans.


This is a much-hyped "never-was" of a plane.

EDIT: P.S. That whole "Stealth to radar" utter nonsense was put forth in the 1980s and was not part of the original specs or intent in 1945. An interesting article of the study that came out of that hype can be found here, where they analyzed the comments from the 1980s and (IMO) but them to rest permanently:
https://airandspace.si.edu/collections/horten-ho-229-v3/about/is-it-stealth.cfm
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: lyric1 on May 18, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id22nbzziIU
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: Arlo on May 18, 2018, 07:44:52 PM
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe!

Now there's a concept worth pursuing!

- oldman (who wants his trusty P-80)

Whole 'nuther arena (1946+) that I've even mentioned once or twice (though I think a Spanish Civil War arena would be funner .... errr ... more interesting).
Title: Re: Horton Ho 229
Post by: wil3ur on May 18, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Whole 'nuther arena (1946+) that I've even mentioned once or twice (though I think a Spanish Civil War arena would be funner .... errr ... more interesting).

Emils and stukkas oh my!