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FunkedUp-CFIT
Kbman-Wizzer
Durr-Hazed
No victories.
6 planes lost.
Took off from A18 in La-5FN with bombs and hit assigned target A47. Someone before us had de-acked A47 and we made quick work of the hangars and remaining structures. But most of us had very little ammo left.
Our secondary target was D44 so I decided we would refuel at A8. Bad decision.
We ran into some dots south of V26 and CFIT and I peeled off to investigate. At the same time we got a report of low 109s at A8. I gave Durr and Kbman free reign to engage at A8.
I was on my way back to them but they were already engaged just NNW of A8. The 109s (6-8 of them)weren't low at all, in fact most of them were above us. Kbman and Wizzer were engaged above the clouds while Durr and Hazed were nowhere to be found.
We were low on ammo and fuel and the ack was up at A8 and the situation did not look good. So I called for our planes to head there, fly through the ack, and wait for Jerry to get bored or run out of fuel.
I chased a couple of bandits that were behind Kbman and Wizzer but more bandits got on me. Next thing I knew KB was down.
Wizzer, CFIT, and I got to A8. Durr and Hazed were still not visible and Wizzer went in to refuel. CFIT and I stayed up to cover Wizzer and fought off a couple of attacks from the 109s. I only had about 40 cannon rounds after my strafing attacks so all I could do was scare them with a short burst.
Durr and Hazed finally reappeared but instead of heading for the safety of A8 they continued to press the fight against the more numerous and higher 109s. Wizzer finished refueling and went right into the fight, dying promptly. Hazed and Durr went down shortly thereafter.
CFIT and I were both out of ammo and nearly out of fuel. There were only two 109s at this point so I thought me might be able to land and refuel or exit. But CFIT ran out of fuel and was rammed by a 109 while trying to land. I ran out of fuel right after him and was vulched going over the threshold.
Things we did wrong:
- I split us up to chase the mystery dots near V26. This put us in a lousy posture to meet the bandits near A8.
- I cleared Element leads to engage 109s when our fuel/ammo situation was not good.
- Element leads waited too long (or never even tried) to disengage from the bad situation with 109s. La-5FN can dive away from them easily.
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Tas ran sweep between A18 and A45.
Split up to cover more territory.
Beemer and Sax joined furball at 18 while YGSmilo and Vruth covered A45.
2 kills at 18, back to 45 with Drill's squad to help with cons reported there.
Lost Vruth, Milo and Beemer got one more 109 each, Sax possible 0ne.
Sax engine damage, rtb to 45.
Beemer and Milo rtb 18. Beemer one more possible kill of 109 at 18. Milo damaged plane on landing pad :(. Beemer got down safe just before major dump.
Confirmed 4 kills, possible 6.
Sax
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Nightmares sat around in the ready room waiting anxiously for our mission to be set. In the meantime, we welcomed two pilots, Fester and Drex, to wing with us. After a long wait, orders came through the wire... Orders for the Nightmares were as follows:
To the Commanding Officer of VMF-101 Nightmares:
You are to launch Bf109G2 aircraft from A3 and provide defence of D44. Loadout at CO discretion. Recommend DT but no gondolas. Conduct best climb to altitude using WEP. Target alt for CAP is 25,000ft. Provide a defensive screen N and Ne of D44.
La5FN fighter aircraft are expected to launch from A19 to the NE. Expect to see these aircraft at high altitude. Enemy attack aircraft are operating in the area. Main threats are il2 and Yak 9T aircraft from A8 (NNE).
Immediately, a heated discussion broke out on the load out and the capabilities of the plane. "How is the performance of the Bf109G-2?" "How long does fuel last?" "Should we carry on gondolas? How much performance does it affect?" "How does it compare with the La5FNs?"
Initial recommendations were not to carry gondolas as it would affect performance and comparative analysis showed La5FNs were simply superior to the Bf109G-2s. Concerns were raised although we were still undeterred from our intention of doing inflicting the most possible damage to the Russians. Our leader, Ghost Dancer, showed no signs of fear and remained confident.
During the briefing, the spirit was high. We were exchanging beer cans from all over. A late analysis was presented which showed that gondolas do not affect performance of the Bf109G-2 as much as feared. Recommendations turned to installing the gondolas with a fuel tank of gas and drop tanks. I was assigned to wing with Dobe. A total of 17 Nightmares were listed to fly that morning.
We took off from A3 South without incident, and we continued to climb and circle around D44. When we got to the east side of D44, contact were reported on the northern side of the front. We were directed further and further north which raised concerns that we were directed too far away from our primary objective. We passed by A8 which should no signs of the enemy. When orders came to head back south, contact was reported over V27. I found myself close to V27 together with Dobe, Fester and Drex. I asked permission to go check it out. Clearance came for the four of us to detach and go scope for the enemy. Flying at 25k, we soon spotted three dots low just over the clouds. I sent Fester and Drex to engage. Keeping my altitude, I watched them race toward the enemy, forgetting about the con range of the arena. While typing in reports I lost them. Fester soon reported that they were La5s and they were running. I ordered them to break off the chase. However, as soon as Fester broke off, he was engaged. I dove immediately in a frantic effort to look for them, with only a vague idea on where they were. 20K... 15K... 10K... I spotted dots just below the edge of the clouds and on a hunch, I raced towards them. Just west of A8, Fester and Drex were dancing with several La5s. As I got to the con range of the La5 with Dobe in tow, I saw Fester*s plane spewing out smoke. I ordered Dobe to engage and tried to clear Fester's six. I knew I was asking for trouble when I was getting low. A low altitude dance continued when I learned that there were at least three of them. I radioed for help as I was sure that if we didn't gain more advantage, we would all be wiped out. Soon Fester met his fate and Dobe was also hit. I finally managed to get on the six of one of them and blew him out of the sky. Then I saw Dobe in tow of another La5 which was smoking. I turned around only to see Dobe go down. In vengeance, I gain the six of the La5 and put enough shells into him to break half his left wing. I broke off satisfied that he would crash. I soon caught a glimpse of BFD, and I ordered Drex to form up and grab. We were clear of the bogeys.
Drex reported downing two and I had two kills. (although reviewing the film, Drex downed the La5 with the broken wing, therefore we shared one kill) As soon as we got to the clouds, we turned around to engage again. I soon found a melee with the rest of the Nightmares. Moments passed dodging the enemy, grabbing altitude and soon we were running out of fuel. We were ordered back to A3 for refueling. Drex bagged another while clearing the six of Pyroman. Initial reports indicated that we downed 8 to 10 La5s at the cost of four of our planes. (Is the Bf109G-2 really that inferior? The final tally will tell)
On the way back, BFD's ejection seat malfunctioned and put him into the sky unintentionally. Pyroman ran out of fuel and ditched, Concho failed his landing while gliding his fuelless plane into A3. Orvil ditched his due to lack gears.
We re-upped at least seven Nightmares for which I was in charge. Our mission was to kill the Il2s. However, the cloud cover was hindering us from finding any. I sent Plink to go low and report any contact. Reports came of contacts at A42. Once again fearing that leaving D44 will put it in danger, I directed our flight toward A42. We walked from base to base, D75... nothing, A8... nothing, V26... nothing, V35... nothing..., A46... nothing. Finally, at A42, Plink reported contacts most of them refueling at A42! Now is the chance to get them. I ordered the main flight down to cloud level. I found some La5s on CAP. I broke low and headed toward A42. Several La5s were taking off, braving compression and the hail of acks, I downed one La5s on first pass, taking a hit from the ack. On second pass, I braved compression and acks again, taking more hits in the process but failing to hit any. I zoomed up to regain altitude, then a dialog box came up "Host Error: Disconnected".
I was frustrated beyond belief.... I was having so much fun. Oh well...
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The AKs and their guests were slated to drive panzers this frame and our situation was FUBARED beyond belief.
V34 had a problem, so panzers couldn't spawn. Since we couldn't launch panzers from v27 (cuz there were no panzers at v34), they put us in 109s and split us between two areas.
It was certainly better than not participating, but not knowing the objectives / flight paths of the groups we were supposed to join made for an evening below par for TOD.
I have several suggestions. All of us had previously downloaded the blacksea terrain, but all of us faced a download when we logged into TOD. Evidently, the terrain had been patched.
1. If you know we're going to face a terrain download, warn us before hand.
2. Test the VH and AH before you let squads invest time and energy in making plans. You don't have to test the entire terrain, just the affected hangars.
curly
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Actually Curly they did make a post about the black sea being updated in the TOD BBS. They told us we needed to download it again.
Just so you know bro. :)
Great job tonight Axis and Allies I had a ball even knowing there were server problems. This gets better week after week.
Oh and BTW, FD you can write a mean AAR my friend...sheesh. :D
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funkedup me and durr ran into 9+ 109s and only oncegot the oppertunity to exit but we grabbed and headed back toward some struggling squadmates.Unfortunately we got pounced on a seconds time.
btw I killed a 109 and i think durr did too.
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Oh and BTW, FD you can write a mean AAR my friend...sheesh. :D
Oh man!! I forgot to add the part about our fearless leader, Ghost Dancer!! He had a mid-air collision with an La5 head on! Both aircrafts went down. Oh man, how could I forget!!
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Hehe, sorry to hear Ghostdancer was the one who blew the vulch on my short final La5 and rammed me :).
Was a good scrap -- we almost made it.
CFIT
[edit] In case you were wondering the first engagement FDutchman describes is the same one that FunkedUp is talking about -- Funked was just a little off on the kill tallies.
so am I right on the results from this engagement?:
5 La5s shot down
1 La5 hit and lost in a collision
[double edit: on reviewing the tape, it seems that the initial group you describe was Nomde's squadron. So when funked describes "reports of bandits low, but they were high", he's talking about the main force of bandits. Nobody from Nomde's group reported being wiped out, so unless they irresponsibly chose to keep their teammates in the dark about what happened, I assume they survived.
3 109G2s shot down
1 109G2 hit and lost in a collision
2 109G2 ditched, 1 damage, 1 fuel exhaustion.
1 109G2 crashed after fuel exhaustion.
1 109G2 forgot to remap the enter-enter-enter key and bailed.
Frankly, both squads could have done better :)
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Dinger ]
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Dinger ]
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Who were the 3 La5s who were engaged with me on the deck just West of A43? We were right in the mix when the dump happened. Would like to have seen that fight play out.
Was a good time. Thanks to the Nightmares for picking me up. Great group of sticks there.
Drex
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Like AKCurly said, things were a bit confusing for us. We finally did manage to get somewhat organized and about 5 of us escorted the 412th to attack A45. A few LA5's came up to meet us and the fighters pretty much spiraled to the deck.
Had a drawn out fight that included a desparate chase through a city. Felt like Darth Vadar chasing an X-Wing around the Death Star. There were two of us giving chase and I'm not sure who got the kill but great flying. Who was that LA5?
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Originally posted by FDutchmn:
I sent Fester and Drex to engage. Keeping my altitude, I watched them race toward the enemy, forgetting about the con range of the arena. While typing in reports I lost them. Fester soon reported that they were La5s and they were running. I ordered them to break off the chase. However, as soon as Fester broke off, he was engaged. I dove immediately in a frantic effort to look for them, with only a vague idea on where they were. 20K... 15K... 10K... I spotted dots just below the edge of the clouds and on a hunch, I raced towards them. Just west of A8, Fester and Drex were dancing with several La5s. As I got to the con range of the La5 with Dobe in tow, I saw Fester*s plane spewing out smoke. I ordered Dobe to engage and tried to clear Fester's six. I knew I was asking for trouble when I was getting low. A low altitude dance continued when I learned that there were at least three of them. I radioed for help as I was sure that if we didn't gain more advantage, we would all be wiped out. Soon Fester met his fate and Dobe was also hit. I finally managed to get on the six of one of them and blew him out of the sky. Then I saw Dobe in tow of another La5 which was smoking. I turned around only to see Dobe go down. In vengeance, I gain the six of the La5 and put enough shells into him to break half his left wing. I broke off satisfied that he would crash. I soon caught a glimpse of BFD, and I ordered Drex to form up and grab. We were clear of the bogeys.
Drex reported downing two and I had two kills. (although reviewing the film, Drex downed the La5 with the broken wing, therefore we shared one kill) As soon as we got to the clouds, we turned around to engage again. I soon found a melee with the rest of the Nightmares. Moments passed dodging the enemy, grabbing altitude and soon we were running out of fuel. We were ordered back to A3 for refueling. Drex bagged another while clearing the six of Pyroman. Initial reports indicated that we downed 8 to 10 La5s at the cost of four of our planes. (Is the Bf109G-2 really that inferior? The final tally will tell)
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I am pretty sure the 3 LA5's near 8 was us (56th FG). I was the half winged la5 that drex got. <S> great fight
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Originally posted by AKcurly:
It was certainly better than not participating, but not knowing the objectives / flight paths of the groups we were supposed to join made for an evening below par for TOD.
Curly,
The mission tasking email I sent you to distribute to your squad included ALL mission plans for each squad. It also included a map showing ALL squads and their flight plans. It also includeed target recon photos and a performance comparison chart of the aircraft involved.
I'm sorry but you had all of the tools at your disposal to fly an alternate mission. I wouldn't expect you to be able to fly it as effectively due to the late notice change but ALL of the information you described above was available to you from Tuesday.
Anyway <S> for sticking with it despite the hiccups yesterday.
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The 412th hit their assigned target at A45, causing much damage. Unfortunately, the flight of AK's who were assigned to cover us did not join until late in their flight and thus could not cover us as we went over target. Our Ju88's were jumped by about 10 La5's. Only 1 of our Ju88's survived the ensuing melee. I dove for the clouds, scissoring about 3 La5's as I did so. I made it to the clouds but the perfect visibility inside the clouds made it impossible to escape and I was shot down with a wingtip gone after damaging two La5's.
In short: 412th bombed target but were then mauled. :(
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Dinger wrote:
Hehe, sorry to hear Ghostdancer was the one who blew the vulch on my short final La5 and rammed me :).
Eh? This must be another guy. Ghost Dancer was way up over 10K when his collision happened.
Dinger wrote:
3 109G2s shot down
1 109G2 hit and lost in a collision
2 109G2 ditched, 1 damage, 1 fuel exhaustion.
1 109G2 crashed after fuel exhaustion.
1 109G2 forgot to remap the enter-enter-enter key and bailed.
Of these only the first four losses is directly due to enemy action. Two were definitely preventable. The other two were unfortunate incidents, one of which will be counted as a safe RTB as he belly-landed on the runway.
Dinger wrote:
Frankly, both squads could have done better :)
YES! This is what's good about this game!! It's a constant challenge!
Dinger wrote:
so am I right on the results from this engagement?:
Ammo wrote:
I am pretty sure the 3 LA5's near 8 was us (56th FG). I was the half winged la5 that drex got. <S> great fight
<S> Ammo, that was fun!
It seems from what I have, we were engaged in a multiple number of La5FN squads. It is probable that who rammed CFIT on a vulch was not one of us, the Nightmares.
From what I got from my squadmates, our tallys is as follows:
Concho - 2 La5FNs
GhstDncr - 1 La5FN (on a collision, kill will be awarded on who bailed later!)
Pyroman - 1 La5FN, 1 assist
MrKIL - 2 LaFNs
Drex - 2.5 LaFNs (0.5 for the shared kill, although I think Drex will be awarded the kill for more damage on Ammo's La5)
FDutchmn - 2.5 LA5FNs (one of which is from the second sortie, although this kill I am not sure how its going to turn out, due to the dump and lack of explosion when the La5 disappeared)
Total = 11 La5FNs shot down for 9 Bf109G-2 lost
Drex wrote:
Was a good time. Thanks to the Nightmares for picking me up. Great group of sticks there.
Drex, thank you for winging with me. It was great! <S>
can't wait for the results... :D that was fun!
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I don't think we would have had enough fuel to even make it to target with you guys had we not taken off late due to terrain problem. We were down to about 30% by the time the bombers were over tgt. Most of us did take off with dt and 100% fuel and that 10 minutes after you guys in the bombers took off. Makes me wonder if the fuel consumption rate was set properly.
Just so you don't think we abandoned ya we did in fact engage the la5's before attempting to rtb. However, as you noted, we were heavily outnumbered.
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
The 412th hit their assigned target at A45, causing much damage. Unfortunately, the flight of AK's who were assigned to cover us did not join until late in their flight and thus could not cover us as we went over target. Our Ju88's were jumped by about 10 La5's. Only 1 of our Ju88's survived the ensuing melee. I dove for the clouds, scissoring about 3 La5's as I did so. I made it to the clouds but the perfect visibility inside the clouds made it impossible to escape and I was shot down with a wingtip gone after damaging two La5's.
In short: 412th bombed target but were then mauled. :(
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457th
must say had a blast <S> all
our 1st job was to go to v27
hit anything we could find .
saw no GV but vh was up i
droped 2 bombs on it in la-5
and destroyed vh our hi cover was engaged
with some 109s dont know for shur how many they got early reports say 3. WE rtb
took off again help requseted for a45 we droped ordance and raced to 45 where air battle was in full swing . during battle i shot dn 1 ju88 and 2 109s .. rtb again on
aproch >>landing actualy << 109s came in to straff the field i went full throtle and wep
got on a 109 and shot him dn battle was a little crezy but we heald our own on on another 109 was scoring hits then the big disco came end of flight.
early repotrs we got
8 109 kills
4 ju88 kills
vh at v27 and other ground targets were hit
i know there is more but not all have sent reports in to me ill edit as i get em
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Originally posted by AKIron:
Just so you don't think we abandoned ya we did in fact engage the la5's before attempting to rtb. However, as you noted, we were heavily outnumbered.
AKIron, wasn't blaming you guys for anything. Was just unfortunate we had to switch from gvs at the last moment, that was what caused the confusion.
Also, we already had escort flights assigned, Assassins and Rogue Squadron. Only problem was, none of the Assassins turned up and only 1 Rogue. :(
Considering the Assassins were down for 11 pilots, that cut our forces by 25% before we even took off.
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Whiner :)
Sax
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Originally posted by AKcurly:
1. If you know we're going to face a terrain download, warn us before hand.
2. Test the VH and AH before you let squads invest time and energy in making plans. You don't have to test the entire terrain, just the affected hangars.
curly
Check the boards Curly....there was a warning made concerning the download of a new version of the map.
There were people in the arena before I showed up for the setup due to the MA and the problems it was having Friday night. I had my hands full enough trying to re-make setup tables for the event without having to go around and visually check each hangar and make sure that they werent destroyed. Now I locked the fields down as soon as I got in and tried to upload my tables, but they didnt work and I had to start over from scratch. We cant control what happens in the arena before we get there and we tried everything we could think of to get that hangar back up, but none of it worked. What would you have us do?
And for the other implications made in this thread over the fuel modifier....it was set at 1.5 as it has been for each and every other TOD and it is checked and double-checked over and over during the frame.
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[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: sling322 ]
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Well, jeezus ammo, you 56th boys could have helped us out with a radio transmission informing us you were all shot down by a significant enemy force. We came in thinking the 8 or so guys above the clouds was all there was.
Anyway, that was the point of my "further review" statement. Those three La5s were probably the 56th FG. The other scrap was the 308th. A tally of nine kills corresponds pretty well to the number of planes the 308th and the 56th put up.
Hell, all losses are preventable. The fuel-exhaustion boys may have been among the two planes who stayed behind and killed funked and I as we ran out of fuel and had to head for the field. Often we find that those who press a kill too far get the kill at the expense of their own hide (cf. "MA mentality") -- that certainly happened to us.
As for who rammed me on a HO vulch; first, there's nothing wrong with vulching in a scenario. Actually, I believe quite the opposite: enemy aircraft are most vulnerable on the ground, and that's where they spend the most time. Take-off and Landing are the second most vulnerable position. When I was hanging at 150 MPH with gear and flaps down, and I saw the 109 closing on an attack run, I knew I was dead. The only thing I could do was firewall it and turn into the attack. The guy might have survived -- I wasn't around to see.
GhostDancer might have gotten Durr (who's peeling potatoes for not getting in the lufberry in a timely fashion)
Yeah, we all coulda done better. And I hope we all do better next time. That's why we keep playing, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Curly,
The mission tasking email I sent you to distribute to your squad included ALL mission plans for each squad. It also included a map showing ALL squads and their flight plans. It also includeed target recon photos and a performance comparison chart of the aircraft involved.
Sure, Mako, I understand. On the other hand, I have a library card too. Does that make me responsible for all knowledge in the library? You do understand the comm chaos that occurred at 10:02 when we learned the GV was cancelled, right? Even if I had memorized all 6 flight assignments, there's no way I could have effectively communicated the new assignments other than saying "blue flight, go that way, red flight this way."
To be completely honest, I'm not angry with anyone. You did a superb job of drawing up the plans. The CMs did their usual, excellent job of spinning gold from straw. I have no business being critical. Just frustrated. :(
curly
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Originally posted by Dinger:
Well, jeezus ammo, you 56th boys could have helped us out with a radio transmission informing us you were all shot down by a significant enemy force. We came in thinking the 8 or so guys above the clouds was all there was.
Actually I thought I did call the bogies out, but I could be wrong, I called out contacts that eve more than onece on different freq's.
Anyways, sorry bout that if I didnt get word to funked, we were a little busy and I logged immediately afterwards.
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also, There were not 8 enemy AC there when We scrapped, more like 4-5 high 109's. Significant enough when you are approaching field 8 for landing.
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Originally posted by AKcurly:
Even if I had memorized all 6 flight assignments, there's no way I could have effectively communicated the new assignments other than saying "blue flight, go that way, red flight this way."
My point was Curly, I had even resized the flight assignment graphics to convenient clipboard size, perfect for converting to .bmp and attaching to your clipboard strat maps. Then there is no need for memorizing, just click on the clipboard and voila! Anyway, no need to worry about it now. I think we did okay with low numbers and the confusion at the start. <S> AK's.
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Let me put it a little more constructively, then:
We were headed to 8, and we heard your reports of bandits. No objection there. We saw a bunch of dots NE of 27, and thought that might be our scrap. We called repeatedly on channel 2 for an ident, but the friendly units (another squad) refused to identify themselves. By the time we arrived in the area of 8, your group had been shot down by 5-6 109s under cloud cover. We were flying over the clouds hoping to surprise the low bandits announced on the radio. When we sighted bandits high, we assumed them to be the same ones that you had run into. Had someone from your group informed us that you had all been shot down by low bandits near A8, we might have been able to disengage, or at the very least drop below cloud cover.
Anyway, that's what I was saying -- if the whole squadron gets shot down, well that sucks, but before you all log out, please, please, have someone tell the surviving groups that you got shot down. That information could save somebody's life.
Before looging, I would have appreciated a report that you were wiped out by a number
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Like I said dinger, I am sorry. You are right, but alas i am human and occasionally I make a mistake. Lat time was 1978...this was the second and last time :)
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Damn s/he's 24 already? Hell ammo -- we probably did the same thing when we left. The whole point of my bringing it up is the same as FunkedUp's original posting, or FDutchman's post, or anyone else involved in the engagements: We discuss this stuff to relate what happened and to improve next time. I confess I was upset when I posted well above. But we can all just do better next week. I'll consider it an improvement when 17 Nightmares meet 3 of the 56th and 6 of the 308th and nobody on either side loses a plane: now that is discipline. :D
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Short AAR for MAG-33:
Headed for A47 upon take off. Upon arrival, we caught approx. 9 -109's on the field as we bombed them and A47 structures and killed a few trying to take off. Most RTB'd (some were engaged with a handful of 109's)and re-fueled, took off and intercepted approx. 8 JU88's and a gaggle of 109's. Damage on several JU88's but I believe they made it to target. (I lost a wing due to a JU88 gunner and subsequently bailed in friendly territory.) I believe 2 or 3 survived the melee of the night in our squad, but we took many with us ;)
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One of the things I really enjoy about the TOD is how everybody tells what happened afterwords in here and you get to see the fight from all different perspectives.
Here is my story:
I took off with the 308th leading one of the 3 sections of La-5s. Hazed was my wingman. By the way, Hazed is the best wingman I have ever flown with anywhere, anytime. The 308th flew to our target (german airfield) meeting no opposition along the way. The formation flying on the way out was the best I have ever seen. The 3 sections were evenly spaced in combat spread, and the sections themselves were flying really nice, tight formations. It was almost textbook.
We rolled in at the field through the clouds and found that all the acks were already dead. We quickly set about laying waste to everything in sight, totally flattening the field. I dropped my first bomb on a VH, which unfortunately blew up just before my bomb hit, causing it to be a wasted drop. By the time I came around for second drop there was almost nothing left to hit! I saw a fuel tank still standing near the edge so I dove in on it, dropping my remaining egg. Hit, fuel tank destroyed! The squad made a final pass, confirmed all targets destroyed, and exited, climbing back up through the clouds for the rejoin.
Soon, we were back in formation heading for a refuel. On the way, we heard about some 109s near the field we were going to. Funked cleared my section to engage at will. We headed over some clouds where I could see 2 cons. We rolled into the attack but it turned out that there were a lot more than 2. (Later, in my chute I estimated that there must have been 8-10.)
The clouds definitely disrupted the fighting, which I think wouldnt have been as lopsided otherwise. The clouds caused our squad to be split up, allowing the 109s to defeat us in detail 1 or 2 at a time. Hazed stayed right with me until near the end. I started fighting with the 109s, finding that the La-5 seems to have no problem out manouvering them for the most part. However, as usual in an outnumbered fight, just as I would get on the tail of one, I would have to break to shake another one off my tail. Twice I almost got one, actually saw some bullet strikes on one, then I broke out of the clouds to head for the nearby airfield after I heard funked call for disengage and form over field acks. I actually got all the way back to the field before the rest of the squadron did, but I looked back and saw Hazed fighting with 4 bf109s closely pressing him.
I did an Immelman and headed back into the fray. The fight lasted for all of 30 more seconds for me. I lost sight of all aircraft in the clouds, then broke out on top in the midst of several 109s. I turned into their attack, meeting a 109 head-on. I saw what appeared to be catastrophic damage on the 109 as I went by, unfortunately he also did my La-5 in as well. My plane was toast, so I hit the silk and tried to aid my squad by calling out bandits on my way down. Hazed was the only one that I could see clearly and he was already smoking, although I could see dots fighting over the airfield in the distance. Hazed held out against four 109s for maybe a minute then he also went down.
I decided that I would walk to the airfield since it was just right there, but that ended up taking me about 20 minutes. I got there and ended mission and went back to the airfield we started from just in time to see a bunch of La-5s get vulched on landing. Right after that I was rudely disconnected in what I now learn was a general dump.
Final score my section: 1 possible, 1 confirmed bf109, against both our aircraft lost. Eagerly awaiting the results so I can see if I took my killer with me!
[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Durr ]
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when 412th reached the target area all hell broke loose, it seemed like 10+ LA5's came screaming at us gunz blazing! I managed to destroy a Field Hangar before I was being hunted by 5 LA5's I tried to make a break for the clouds, blasting away with my peashooters I managed to hit/damage at least 2 La5's before i was consumed by the commie bastards!
Things we did wrong
1.when we reached target our formation started splitting up.
2.as soon as the 109's called all clear and left stating thier low fuel status thats when the enemy dove on us.
other than that it was a blast! still waiting on scores.
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Great AAR's fellows.
The scores did not take. :( Very sorry about that but when the server dumped everyone the logs did not record any information. :(
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I got 17 kills daddog, I swear. Go ahead and score me for them. Thanks.
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Originally posted by daddog:
Great AAR's fellows.
The scores did not take. :( Very sorry about that but when the server dumped everyone the logs did not record any information. :(
I bet that 109 squadron we caught on the ground is DAMN glad of that! ;) ;)
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LOL Raub! :D