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Title: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 14, 2018, 12:27:30 PM
This photo is a gold mine but I don't have a way to save it.   Anyone have an account here?

https://www.fold3.com/image/37137672?ann=c3b4a800-4d60-11df-6c0d-397914023a0b
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Ciaphas on June 14, 2018, 12:42:58 PM
Do a print screen


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Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 14, 2018, 12:45:36 PM
If possible I want the full resolution version.  I’ve done ten print screens but I would love the whole thing zoomed in 1:1 so I don’t miss something.

Also, where is the yellow stripe on the wing?  Outboard of the inner gun bay doors?   It’s like this thing has multiple stripes or stripes that were removed and reapplied.

Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 14, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
Do a print screen


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Heh, I'm creating a giant jigsaw puzzle.  This is more work than the skin is going to be.    :rofl
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Ciaphas on June 14, 2018, 01:20:39 PM
Lol


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Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 14, 2018, 11:49:30 PM
Anyone have an account here?

https://www.fold3.com/image/37137672?ann=c3b4a800-4d60-11df-6c0d-397914023a0b

Me!  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/WArha2V.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FcggMCG.jpg)


Also have the same image in a book i have.

(https://i.imgur.com/3CC4at9.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 15, 2018, 11:08:49 AM
Lyric to the rescue!   :salute. Thank you. 
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 23, 2018, 10:20:27 PM
Little late but some reference material for you.

(https://i.imgur.com/ONhavop.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SLSFrcu.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 23, 2018, 10:43:36 PM
Ah!!  I knew it.  Bravo!   That side view is a goldmine, too.

What’s up,with the wing stripes inboard?   I’m thoroughly confused as to where they really are.  I say outboard of the inner gun bay doors...probably further out than I have them.

Can you dig up any of “Penrod” before it became “Chinese Laundry”/“It’s A Dog”?  I’ve only found two.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 23, 2018, 11:49:50 PM


Can you dig up any of “Penrod” before it became “Chinese Laundry”/“It’s A Dog”?  I’ve only found two.

Only have two most likely the same ones as you. Partial of the nose and name left side.
Right side looking at the plane from the rear.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 01:24:15 AM
Only have two most likely the same ones as you. Partial of the nose and name left side.
Right side looking at the plane from the rear.

That right side I don't have.  Have the nose with two guys and a left side with pilot and drop tanks of the whole plane. 
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2018, 02:23:05 AM
That right side I don't have. 

Now you do. :aok

(https://i.imgur.com/eufoivX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5JOsFI8.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
That's an interesting one.  I will have to post my other one and see if we can interpret what is going on with the stripes.  Great find.   Thank you.   :salute
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 11:04:04 AM
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=e1abCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=penrod+aces+Hogg&source=bl&ots=O6WF8rS1AE&sig=s9vTKtazUYVocszD0hIJksBs8Es&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-5dq_1uzbAhUFLcAKHUdXAQsQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=penrod%20aces%20Hogg&f=false
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2018, 11:34:53 AM
That's an interesting one.  I will have to post my other one and see if we can interpret what is going on with the stripes.  Great find.   Thank you.   :salute

Based off the profiles from that book there is a few options that seem to be used.

(https://i.imgur.com/xlquVtG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZiwnjNl.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0QR3n55.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 12:04:26 PM
Scroll up half a page on the link I posted.  I can see one wingtip stripe for sure, possibly two.   :headscratch:
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
Few colour pics.
Was also looking the Facebook page of this group so many variations of stripes in the photos there hard to know what to use?

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08101

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08102

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08098

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08099

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=00695

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=00729

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08104

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08106

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=08107

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=12351

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=09421

http://www.ww2color.com/search/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=09415

Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
Some of these are just outstanding.    Wow.

Can you see the one I posted the link to?  Would that stripe be yellow, as dark as it is?
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2018, 09:55:16 PM
Some of these are just outstanding.    Wow.

Can you see the one I posted the link to?  Would that stripe be yellow, as dark as it is?

If you look at the profile I posted from that same book of Penrod it shows it as red.

(https://i.imgur.com/fJbtc23.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/g6C0pro.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 24, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Now, is there a yellow one inboard?

I don’t trust profiles as much as I trust the Eagle Eyes on this board.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Devil 505 on June 24, 2018, 11:31:30 PM
Now, is there a yellow one inboard?

I see a lighter stripe inboard the dark one.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: bustr on June 25, 2018, 01:40:49 PM
One of the close ups of a cockpit show all the rivet heads having weathered off white\gray or almost chromate yellow. Was that normal for aluminum finishes weathered in the field?
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Devil 505 on June 25, 2018, 02:00:57 PM
could be rust if the rivets are steel.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 25, 2018, 03:23:35 PM
I see a lighter stripe inboard the dark one.

That’s my take.   It could be aluminum, too, but I’m leaning toward yellow


Any evidence of a theater band inboard of that anywhere?  Look right above his hat...
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 25, 2018, 03:24:47 PM
Now you do. :aok

(https://i.imgur.com/eufoivX.jpg)


I don’t think this plane went to Hively. 



This aircraft would later be flown by Lieutenat Harold Kick with the markings "Chinese Laundry" on the left cowling, and "It's a Dog" on the right.  It was one of the last three P-51Bs in the group.   Lieutenant Kick said of the airplane:

"The 325th began receiving the bubble canopy Mustangs in October 1944.  Most pilots wanted to fly them. When I had enough missions to be able to choose a plane.  I chose #69.  If it was good enough for Capt Hogg our Squadron C.O., it must be a good plane.  I flew over 40 missions in #69 and never had any problems.  the plane was maintained beautifully.  I still regret that such a beautiful and expensive plane was cut up for junk.  Today it would be worth $1,000,000.00."

——

Hmmmm.....
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: mikeWe9a on June 25, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
I see a lighter stripe inboard the dark one.

Just at the leading edge?  I'm pretty sure that is the landing light cover - you can see it more clearly in the drawing.

Mike

ETA:  On further examination does appear that there may be a light stripe on the inboard side of the dark stripe at the wingtip as well.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Devil 505 on June 25, 2018, 05:50:23 PM
ETA:  On further examination does appear that there may be a light stripe on the inboard side of the dark stripe at the wingtip as well.

That's what I was referring to.
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 26, 2018, 12:36:24 AM
Just at the leading edge?  I'm pretty sure that is the landing light cover - you can see it more clearly in the drawing.

Mike

ETA:  On further examination does appear that there may be a light stripe on the inboard side of the dark stripe at the wingtip as well.

Oh, yeah, the landing light.  Good call.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: lyric1 on June 26, 2018, 02:25:01 AM
I don’t think this plane went to Hively. 



This aircraft would later be flown by Lieutenat Harold Kick with the markings "Chinese Laundry" on the left cowling, and "It's a Dog" on the right.  It was one of the last three P-51Bs in the group.   


Have a few of it from Facebook.

(https://i.imgur.com/RzzXnAK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9KZbZPA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fTDpe1R.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8Ul4Ch3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DLwChdq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eePgStm.jpg)

Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on June 26, 2018, 03:46:07 AM
Have a few of it from Facebook.


Outstanding.  Images 2 and 3 confirm some things we (don't) see in the right side Penrod photo you posted before.

So....theater bands are clearly not present.  I'll go with the red and yellow stripes at the tips, inboard of the tip fairing, since that's what Penrod had.   The painted tips came later.

Great find, Lyric.  Thanks a ton.    :salute
Title: Re: Photo Download Help - Betty Jane, P-51B (CM*M)
Post by: Vraciu on July 05, 2018, 09:48:21 AM
Any idea what the circle is on the ammo compartment door outboard of the fuel cap?

I am also of the belief that I am not seeing a wing stripe here as other photos show one outboard of this location    Could it have been moved?   What is this?  (Edit in: Or we are just seeing the corner of it at lower left.)

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393381.0;attach=30074)