***10K AIRSPAWNS AT A25,A29,A33 and A35 - SEE MAP***
- Terrain - HERVE - Fuel 1.00 - FSO Icons (3K for enemy) (3k for friendly) - Ack 2.0 - FULL Radar ON - Aircraft warning range 12 miles (63,360) - Tower range set to 12 miles (for display only to match the above setting) - Visibility 17 miles - External Ordnance DISABLED - Enemy collisions ON - Kill shooter OFF
As we continue the Combat Challenge series. We ask that you bring yourself, your squaddies and friends, but especially bring your appetite for great aerial combat. :aok
:salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Devil 505 on July 18, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Looks great except the 109E. Should be an F-4 given you have the SpitV.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: FBDragon on July 23, 2018, 11:42:28 PM
Looks great except the 109E. Should be an F-4 given you have the SpitV.
AMEN!!!!! :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: perdue3 on July 29, 2018, 03:37:17 PM
Emil vs. Spit V? Ouch. I will be there.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Odee on August 01, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
:airplane: I'll be there. :salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: perdue3 on August 03, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
So...10 pm ET or 11 ET?
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vulcan on August 04, 2018, 02:02:33 AM
Thank you AKWarhawk for taking over CC.
But... 3 things... lessons to be learned.
- 109E/C202 vs Spit V/P40F was not a good matchup (performance or historical). 2nd hour was fine. I think this caused many axis players to switch or log off - The imbalance was left to fester, at worst the difference was like 25 allied to 10 axis, most of the time it was around 22 to 15 - I shot down a P39Q well before logs closed. It's not showing!
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: perdue3 on August 04, 2018, 02:16:47 AM
- 109E/C202 vs Spit V/P40F was not a good matchup (performance or historical). 2nd hour was fine. I think this caused many axis players to switch or log off - The imbalance was left to fester, at worst the difference was like 25 allied to 10 axis, most of the time it was around 22 to 15 - I shot down a P39Q well before logs closed. It's not showing!
Numbers aside, he is correct. 109E vs. SpitV is bad. 2nd hour was very fun!
Thank you Redtail for taking over, <S>.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Canspec on August 04, 2018, 10:55:59 AM
I enjoyed the whole thing....even with the side numbers skewed......the 109f4 would have been a better match up with the Spit V, but the E4 is still strong against the Spit V. The extra 9 or 10 pilots on their side while I was on made a huge difference for them. The second hour still had a number skew in their favor, but the plane match up was better. The spit V and 9 are two of the top furball planes in the game, if you have good pilots and numbers advantage in turn fights, it doesn't matter what plane you put against them. All in all I thought it was a fun challenge. Thanks to the persons who put it on.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 10PM EDT
Post by: swareiam on August 05, 2018, 02:50:20 PM
Thanks for flying Friday night. We hope that you enjoyed the furball fun. We have updated the Leaderboard scores for your review.
CC 2018 Leaderboard Scores (http://www.ahevents.net/index.php/leaderboard-2018)
Please look for Combat Challenge 25 to be posted here in the Combat Challenge thread very soon. Also we apologize for the foul up in the posted event time in the title of this thread. We hope to avoid that in the future.
The Combat Challenge will get started at 10:00 pm EST on event night. Thanks for recognizing this change.
Best Regards,
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: SEseph on August 06, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
- 109E/C202 vs Spit V/P40F was not a good matchup (performance or historical). 2nd hour was fine. I think this caused many axis players to switch or log off - The imbalance was left to fester, at worst the difference was like 25 allied to 10 axis, most of the time it was around 22 to 15
These points, glad someone else brought them up...
Even if a sub stepped in and took over the reigns, before the night began it was stated to us, by Redtail, that the sides would be balanced and if not, changes would be made to ensure that balance by our host asking others to switch sides. Then I saw this and it explained why this was not only ignored, but it was almost a set-up...
8 of these came in the first hour, when the numbers were heavily skewed. Not only was our host taking advantage of the numbers, he didn't have any desire to change them, IMO, or he would not have stayed Allied. Even if he himself switched, this would be moot...
If you are doing something, Scenarios, FSO, Dueling Ladder, Combat Challenge, try to work harder to keep the sides even. Volunteers need to be unbiased and do their best to appear so, even if they are not. I have great respect for those that step up, but stepping up doesn't mean you are successful, even if others thank you for it over and over.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: swareiam on August 06, 2018, 07:12:34 PM
Below you will find two tables from the Event Summary Logs. As you can see the makeup of the players that few Friday night. The Allies brought their squads out for some fun in larger numbers. The Axis had several more squads represented, but in much smaller numbers;
Allied Team (28 players) (https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/s0/b9ded542-7a8f-4d49-812c-45fc03f4dc2a-original.png?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)
Axis Team (30 players) (https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/s0/5870496e-ebdd-4f4a-ad2e-d08d777fbf32-original.png?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)
From the information provided above, what would you propose?
I can tell you this, like many of you, I to really enjoy flying the Combat Challenge to the fullest. I have been flying it since it first began and am currently not planning to stop my level of play. I took it over so that we could continue to have fun in Nefarious' absence.
Let's try and keep our comments on the positive side and looking for solutions to our issues.
Here are few suggestion that we can all do to help;
Contact your squaddies and friends early and have them come out and fly on your side.
Talk up Combat Challenge in the Malee arena even after the event has started to encourage folks to still come out and fly.
Thanks for your help is trying to figure out how we can improve the event.
Cheers...
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vudu15 on August 06, 2018, 08:06:34 PM
Below you will find two tables from the Event Summary Logs. As you can see the makeup of the players that few Friday night. The Allies brought their squads out for some fun in larger numbers. The Axis had several more squads represented, but in much smaller numbers;
Allied Team (28 players) (https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/s0/b9ded542-7a8f-4d49-812c-45fc03f4dc2a-original.png?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)
Axis Team (30 players) (https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/u366/Redtail7/s0/5870496e-ebdd-4f4a-ad2e-d08d777fbf32-original.png?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)
From the information provided above, what would you propose?
I can tell you this, like many of you, I to really enjoy flying the Combat Challenge to the fullest. I have been flying it since it first began and am currently not planning to stop my level of play. I took it over so that we could continue to have fun in Nefarious' absence.
Let's try and keep our comments on the positive side and looking for solutions to our issues.
Here are few suggestion that we can all do to help;
Contact your squaddies and friends early and have them come out and fly on your side.
Talk up Combat Challenge in the Malee arena even after the event has started to encourage folks to still come out and fly.
Thanks for your help is trying to figure out how we can improve the event.
Cheers...
learn about the plane performance of each a/c we have in game then apply that to any issue you encounter...If the planes are set then it's up to the sides. Axis will usually be shorthanded that's just the way it is. I'm not sure what happened but if it has to be explained why E4s shouldn't go against Spit5s you might oughta quit while you're ahead.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Nefarious on August 06, 2018, 08:21:29 PM
I wish I could have made it, I was working a booth at a local festival.
But I will say this, I wanted to get rid of the Allied vs Axis aspect of it the entire time I ran the challenge. When the planes are exactly the same on both sides, the only issue that remains is where the squads go.
<S> I hope to make the next one.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: puller on August 06, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
It was a scored event...I was very reluctant to send any of my guys Axis but I did...I intend on my squad winning the entire event series from the Allied side this year just like we won it from the Axis side last year...If it wasn't scored I would have moved all of us over...There should have been no Emil in the event...
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: swareiam on August 06, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
From the information provided above, what would you propose?
From that data, I'd say Seph was a bold faced liar. I'm glad, though, that others saw what I saw. The Axis had a 2:1-3:1 odds against the first hour (I left after that, enough data gathered for this). You have an end number to those who I guess logged in. You didn't bother to make it even because you wanted to score some kills. And you quickly grabbed that end data. Let's have someone go give a breakdown every 5 minutes or every 10 minutes, but that wouldn't look good, eh?
Quote
I can tell you this, like many of you, I to really enjoy flying the Combat Challenge to the fullest. I have been flying it since it first began and am currently not planning to stop my level of play. I took it over so that we could continue to have fun in Nefarious' absence.
So this gives you a reason not to run it fairly I guess because you have yet to answer the point of you didn't make it fair even after you said you would.
Quote
Let's try and keep our comments on the positive side [...]
You are very good at fighting for the side you want to fight for and a true enemy to those who are on the other side, no matter your position! (BTW, criticism isn't always positive in the eyes of the receiver, but if it fixes the issue, by George, I think that's pretty positive!)
I also said already, but I will repeat it again. I HOLD THOSE WHO STAND UP TO VOLUNTEER IN HIGH REGARD, that doesn't mean they have a free pass.
Quote
[...]and looking for solutions to our issues.
Stop being so obviously biased might work... If one can't be neutral, don't lead events? If you wish to be biased, be a side CO instead of in a position that requires unbiased opinions and views? If you can't accept that certain positions do not allow us to play as we want because we might not be able to do both to an acceptable 'level of play.'? I think those are quite obvious, but I have now spelled them out for anyone who... might need them to tell me why I'm wrong so their actions can be excused for any recent things that are similar. Here are few suggestion that we can all do to help;
Quote
Contact your squaddies and friends early and have them come out and fly on your side.
Talk up Combat Challenge in the Malee arena even after the event has started to encourage folks to still come out and fly.
So when the person who is running the event says to me and others how they will ensure the sides stay even by having others switch and they themselves weren't even the slight bit worried about, it then becomes our fault when said event runner fails to keep their own word? hmmm good to know also how during an event when we have no numbers, it's our faul;t for not leaving and spamming the MA.
Quote
Thanks for your help is trying to figure out how we can improve the event.
I told you most of this before. If you save your PM's, go check out the ones from BOWL.
Quote
Cheers...
Cheers!!
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vudu15 on August 07, 2018, 05:06:35 AM
Well I'm glad that the most important thing in any plane to plane comparison is straight line speed.....oh I almost forgot about guns,visibility,acceleration,turn circle,ease of use,gun velocity,amount of guns, amount of ammo, WEP vs no WEP,base amount of skill to fly....and on and on and on.
Warhwk I think you need to go back to school bud at this point this is down right sad again if this needs to be explained, and if your only attempt to convince me of all people is two charts for climb and speed comparison you definitely need to have some oversight before you set up anything more.
Because at this point it's either on purpose or you just don't know these planes(either is bad)
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: swareiam on August 07, 2018, 06:17:20 AM
Gentlemen,
Sadly enough, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. You will show up and fly Combat Challenge as posted or you won't.
That is really the bottom line. I plan on having just as much fun as everyone else.
I am not sure how the insults help here.
So, for those of you who enjoy a good furball, we'll see you in September.
:salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vudu15 on August 07, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
Sadly enough, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. You will show up and fly Combat Challenge as posted or you won't.
That is really the bottom line. I plan on having just as much fun as everyone else.
I am not sure how the insults help here.
So, for those of you who enjoy a good furball, we'll see you in September.
:salute
You've convinced me that you seem to know next to nothing about aircraft performance as it pertains to the task you volunteered for.... I'm sick of everyone babing you guys when it comes to the standards that should be met when deciding to become a volunteer of these events.
You don't understand the insults? insults? It's insulting to the player base that went axis that they were not only outnumbered but also placed in inferior planes. It's insulting to the level of experienced players in this game that you don't double check yourself before you put out the finished product, but see the secret is you have to care, and you have to assume you could be wrong.
Then the final touch you'll show up or you won't. Because to you there is nothing wrong with what you do and never will be....you're the only game in town so you either play how I want or pack your stuff. Nice. I could really care less about these things but the regular pilot the one who doesn't know any better who comes in and gets mashed because you're doing what you want they are the ones who decide to not fly axis again, or groan when they have to. Or tend to think those planes aren't good. You sour the game overall with this silliness you put up. and at this point with the amount of time you've been in game you should know better. but I can see the words now passing through and disappearing into the ether. I hope other who see this might gain a little knowledge and apply it to where it may do good. Since you're convinced that was an ok match up. and that's what matters right? if you think it's good then it is. right?
Pro tip: what you think is good or bad is irrelevant as your task is to create a fair and balanced events for the player base no matter what and you did not. like talking to the walls around here.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: swareiam on August 07, 2018, 08:52:28 PM
You've convinced me that you seem to know next to nothing about aircraft performance as it pertains to the task you volunteered for.... I'm sick of everyone babing you guys when it comes to the standards that should be met when deciding to become a volunteer of these events.
You don't understand the insults? insults? It's insulting to the player base that went axis that they were not only outnumbered but also placed in inferior planes. It's insulting to the level of experienced players in this game that you don't double check yourself before you put out the finished product, but see the secret is you have to care, and you have to assume you could be wrong.
Then the final touch you'll show up or you won't. Because to you there is nothing wrong with what you do and never will be....you're the only game in town so you either play how I want or pack your stuff. Nice. I could really care less about these things but the regular pilot the one who doesn't know any better who comes in and gets mashed because you're doing what you want they are the ones who decide to not fly axis again, or groan when they have to. Or tend to think those planes aren't good. You sour the game overall with this silliness you put up. and at this point with the amount of time you've been in game you should know better. but I can see the words now passing through and disappearing into the ether. I hope other who see this might gain a little knowledge and apply it to where it may do good. Since you're convinced that was an ok match up. and that's what matters right? if you think it's good then it is. right?
Pro tip: what you think is good or bad is irrelevant as your task is to create a fair and balanced events for the player base no matter what and you did not. like talking to the walls around here.
I have a pilot's license... lol
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Tracerfi on August 07, 2018, 09:43:11 PM
I would say that this Combat Challenge was disgraceful. Spitfire Mk Vs versus Bf 109Es and P40F versus C202. The first match-up is one of the worst match-ups I have ever fought against, the Spitfire is far more maneuverable climbs better and is faster than the Emil. More than half the Allies were in Spitfire Vs with and I saw only maybe 2 or 3 P40s the entire time I flew. I flew both planes on the Axis in hour 1 and the C202 is the only one that could have a chance against the Spitfire V but the C202s guns were useless. This was the least fun I have had in an Aces High event ever I only lasted a bit over 30 mins in the fight due to how awful this event was planned out and executed.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Tracerfi on August 07, 2018, 09:53:20 PM
You've convinced me that you seem to know next to nothing about aircraft performance as it pertains to the task you volunteered for.... I'm sick of everyone babing you guys when it comes to the standards that should be met when deciding to become a volunteer of these events.
Vudu is right
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: SEseph on August 07, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
I'm not sure how this has anything relevant to do the argument. I would understand if he said: YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO FLY PERIOD... but he did not. He said:
Me too.... I've also been teaching folks to fly in this game for the last ten years through videos and in one on one training. I see how the average pilot handles these different planes.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: TWCAxew on August 08, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
If you are gonna puke out a person do it in a pm. Stop making fools out of yourselfs. Al you guys have done the last few months is complain without suggesting any realistic improvements.
The point is the game has not enough players and all of you go nuts about it. Y'all are just looking for a scapegoat.
You can either be afraid of losing your precious game or you can contribute with a positive attitude to strengthen our community. Now your just hammering more nail's in a coffin already full of nail's....
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Devil 505 on August 08, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
Dutch, there have been many suggestion of how to improve things overall and this past event in particular.
I identified the main problem (no 109F) over 2 weeks before combat challenge was held. My sentiment was echoed by a few others before game day as well. No attempt was made to address the concerns or justify the plane set imbalance either. We were ignored.
My C.O. even sent swareiam a PM a few minutes before launch asking for 109F's at some point before the first hour was over. The response was "What you see is what you get."
No surprise that it all went to hell.
As the saying goes: Garbage in, garbage out.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: TWCAxew on August 08, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
I stand corrected on that one than.
However the point remains this section of the forum is toxic lately and it makes me reconsider if i still wanna play this game... I thought in this part of the forum there was still a sense of community alive making this game shine as bright as it ever did. I only see a black hole consuming itself here...
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: TWCAxew on August 08, 2018, 03:11:50 PM
However the point remains this section of the forum is toxic lately and it makes me reconsider if i still wanna play this game... I thought in this part of the forum there was still a sense of community alive making this game shine as bright as it ever did. I only see a black hole consuming itself here...
I like to add that this is not directed at you devil.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: perdue3 on August 08, 2018, 03:14:54 PM
I wish I could have made it, I was working a booth at a local festival.
But I will say this, I wanted to get rid of the Allied vs Axis aspect of it the entire time I ran the challenge. When the planes are exactly the same on both sides, the only issue that remains is where the squads go.
<S> I hope to make the next one.
I think Axis versus Allies is best. Even if Axis are outnumbered. But, if you are going to change it, do it at the beginning of the year. There are some match-ups that are simply too good not to take part in, ironically, 109F and SpitV is one of them. I don't know how an all Spitfire furball would be, but I am down.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Devil 505 on August 08, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
I just wanted to point out that there are many valid points in this thread, even in all the angry posts.
The anger is because many of us feel completely ignored. When we do these things in PM, we get a half answer that doesn't address the concern and you play run around. When we finally blow our top and bring it here looking for help and answers, we are told to take it to PM's or that we are toxic. Saying 'Good Job' doesn't address the maybe he did a good job, but where can he improve? part.
I will agree I am beyond angry with a certain person. I and others have for years tried to address these issues out of the public eye. Due to the unsuccessful nature of these attempts, many stop participating or they just quit the volunteer job that was counter balancing allowing this to fester further. Many of these volunteers have even spoken out recently about this event or even the upcoming Scenario. I took a break and would not do respond to certain requests for me to act as a CO because of what I had seen done in many scenarios before and Battle Over the Winter Line was the breaking point. We received the same answer as did Devil's CO; from the same person. I was the CO of the side and I was ignored. My guys tried to help, they were ignored.
It feels like they view it as: I was allowed this position, so my views are more correct than those of others and anyone who disagrees is mean and disruptive. While their friends, who might be benefiting from this, will always build up that persons views and feeling of being in the right. At the same time, they will look at anyone trying to disrupt such, with contempt.
So yes, there has been an explosion of emotion. But a good idea, no matter the source, is still a good idea.
We could offer a nice round table chat on Discord. Hash it out. Select a mediator that all could agree on and go from there.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Devil 505 on August 08, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
The anger is because many of us feel completely ignored. When we do these things in PM, we get a half answer that doesn't address the concern and you play run around. When we finally blow our top and bring it here looking for help and answers, we are told to take it to PM's or that we are toxic. Saying 'Good Job' doesn't address the maybe he did a good job, but where can he improve? part.
I will agree I am beyond angry with a certain person. I and others have for years tried to address these issues out of the public eye. Due to the unsuccessful nature of these attempts, many stop participating or they just quit the volunteer job that was counter balancing allowing this to fester further. Many of these volunteers have even spoken out recently about this event or even the upcoming Scenario. I took a break and would not do respond to certain requests for me to act as a CO because of what I had seen done in many scenarios before and Battle Over the Winter Line was the breaking point. We received the same answer as did Devil's CO; from the same person. I was the CO of the side and I was ignored. My guys tried to help, they were ignored.
It feels like they view it as: I was allowed this position, so my views are more correct than those of others and anyone who disagrees is mean and disruptive. While their friends, who might be benefiting from this, will always build up that persons views and feeling of being in the right. At the same time, they will look at anyone trying to disrupt such, with contempt.
So yes, there has been an explosion of emotion. But a good idea, no matter the source, is still a good idea.
We could offer a nice round table chat on Discord. Hash it out. Select a mediator that all could agree on and go from there.
Dude, you're preaching to the choir. There's a reason I did not post here for 5 days after the event.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: FBDragon on August 08, 2018, 05:52:33 PM
I want to see all get along in here. While there are good points made by everyone there needs to be a discusion somewhere in here where we can hash it out. All this bashing is not helping and all this "this is what you get" crap goes nowhere and truly hurts the game. Now I've been playing for over 10 years now but I'm a crappy fighter pilot, I'm not ashamed to say that but even I know that the first hour match up was terrible. I fly axis 99.99% of the time, that's thanks to my granddad who flew axis for real on the eastern front. I don't mind getting shot down, it's part of the game. What I do mind is just being a "free kill", that's what the first hour pretty much was so I didn't even bother with it.
For the game please figure this out, I don't want this to go by the wayside. I do love it too much. If what I have said pisses you off just tell me to shut the hell up!!! I'll leave and not say another word. DRAGUN :salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vulcan on August 09, 2018, 12:47:31 AM
Why didn't you post the WEP numbers? The Spit V does better in both speed and climb, it has better guns, better turn rates and better roll rates. The 109E loses authority as it gets fast.
WEP counts as the life span of these engagements is typically short. The C202 is OK but it's guns are arse.
Quote
Sadly enough, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. You will show up and fly Combat Challenge as posted or you won't.
Wow, I think you should thank those 15 or so pilots that hung in there flying axis for that first hour. Without them the event would've been a total failure.
For the record when I log in to the CC I look for the side with lower numbers and go there. Even if my squadies are opposite me. So I'm neither axis or allied. I just fly whatevers on offer.
It would appear that from your comment above you cannot see how imbalanced this event was, and you cannot accept that your playing on the side with dominant rides and dominant numbers really rubbed salt into the wound. I think that it is a pity for this event.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vudu15 on August 09, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
let me do this a different way.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Odee on August 09, 2018, 07:07:13 PM
Looks great except the 109E. Should be an F-4 given you have the SpitV.
To all that think the Axis finally had a weak first hour ride: They call it Combat Challenge for a reason. And yes, all those planes fought one another in WW2, at one time or another, however briefly in that timeline, that it may have been. :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Odee on August 09, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
If you are gonna puke out a person do it in a pm. Stop making fools out of yourselfs. Al you guys have done the last few months is complain without suggesting any realistic improvements.
The point is the game has not enough players and all of you go nuts about it. Y'all are just looking for a scapegoat.
You can either be afraid of losing your precious game or you can contribute with a positive attitude to strengthen our community. Now your just hammering more nail's in a coffin already full of nail's....
Accurate, to the point, and very well said, sir! :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vudu15 on August 09, 2018, 07:19:12 PM
To all that think the Axis finally had a weak first hour ride: They call it Combat Challenge for a reason. And yes, all those planes fought one another in WW2, at one time or another, however briefly in that timeline, that it may have been. :cheers: :salute
yeah well it's not Combat "get **** raped" Challenge. And the 56th guys flying axis weren't happy either.
Did you fly in the event in the first hour for axis?
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: horble on August 09, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: horble on August 09, 2018, 07:53:47 PM
The first hour was rough, I can handle being outnumbered but it would’ve been a lot more manageable with the F model. The second hour was fun.
Big thanks to the guys who came over and tried to even up the numbers.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: SEseph on August 10, 2018, 02:08:32 AM
I thought that was a good listen over all. It vocalizes alot of the frustration, even if it was lacking animated explosions. While I hope they actually listen instead of just hearing, you know what they say about wishing in one hand and putting burned cookies in the other while wondering which will fill with black crumbs first...
It needed more pictures (and explosions.) Allow me to recommend one. I'm not good with effects, so you'll have to find the ones you think appropriate yourself.
But seriously, maybe instead of just writing it off as an angry person who some don't want to listen to, maybe listen to not only his words, but the reasons for the words.
The opposite of love is not hate; it is indifference. Those fighting for these changes love this community. They hate what is happening. Those mentioned by me and others, they are showing complete indifference to these concerns.
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Odee on August 11, 2018, 02:58:18 PM
yeah well it's not Combat "get **** raped" Challenge. And the 56th guys flying axis weren't happy either.
Did you fly in the event in the first hour for axis?
Vulcan, and everyone crying for that matter, I would think that after all these years, you would understand what the word Challenge means. If you don't believe you can beat the odds in a challenging set up, then don't fly it. It's really that simple. :salute
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: perdue3 on August 11, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Vulcan, and everyone crying for that matter, I would think that after all these years, you would understand what the word Challenge means. If you don't believe you can beat the odds in a challenging set up, then don't fly it. It's really that simple. :salute
So you'd be down for 109F vs. Spit1 for October Challenge? I can assure you that the Axis guys would be down with it :devil.
But, at the end of the day, it is a very poor match-up. I prefer good fights, like the one we will have at the end of this month. Looking forward to it :airplane:
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: SNO on August 11, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
This ^
Title: Re: Combat Challenge 24 - AUGUST 3, 2018 - 11PM EDT
Post by: Vulcan on August 15, 2018, 11:09:52 PM
Vulcan, and everyone crying for that matter, I would think that after all these years, you would understand what the word Challenge means. If you don't believe you can beat the odds in a challenging set up, then don't fly it. It's really that simple. :salute
Does your participation extend beyond trolling the BBS?