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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BOBO on July 25, 2018, 05:06:24 AM
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It's as dumb as tribalism.
That's all I have to say about that.
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Do you mean "chess piece loyalty" (side loyalty)?
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Do you mean "chess piece loyalty" (side loyalty)?
Yes
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I thought so..... Just never seen anyone use the word nationalism to describe it before....
One more question, when you say is as dumb as Tribalism, you are using that word regarding "gaming and/or mmog's and sides/squads/clans etc I am assuming
Only wanting to make clear the meaning of the words, since they both are used more in real life matters than in gaming
~S~
TC
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SOrry.
It's every bit as stupid as the #ScienceMustFall movement.
Or every bit as stupid as TrigglyPuff
<S>
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hey TC hi, was just thinking about you the other day
We all know what he is saying. People are so loyal to a chess piece that when anyone changes sides to even up the numbers they are greeted with suspicion and outright hostility.
When we were kids on the sports fields we would even the sides up, shirts and skins. In the World Wide Web of stupidity that concept is null and void and if you put a shirt on you must be a spy!!
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It's been so very long ago that the memory is fading, but I remember when the game was about good fights. People switched sides to even out the numbers, people stayed out of fights if their teammates didn't ask for help, etc.
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Heya Fess, Hope all is well with you....
I'm afraid those good old days and times went by way of beepers, cassette tapes, 8 tracks times......
Blame it on...... Well you know how it came to this......
No need in me speaking my mind and getting a thread locked
Cheers
TC
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Breakfast was fun this morning. While I ate I practiced my gunnery skills.
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It's as dumb as tribalism.
That's all I have to say about that.
I guess the Jokers have been suffering from this malady for a long time.
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Breakfast was fun this morning. While I ate I practiced my gunnery skills.
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Hope none of those were new folks
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Hope none of those were new folks
Exactly. If I were that yourself guy I'd be very pissed off.
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Exactly. If I were that yourself guy I'd be very pissed off.
:rofl :rofl :rofl Coulnt read the name Icon over that plane on carrier :uhoh but dont need too. CYBRO? Yes, thats his usual crap. Perfect for giving away a CV,if you decide to move it into a dar ring(flashes base) and keeping ENY in play(not all on him,but he is a main factor). Why I wish we could get an Inactivity Nuke to clear rosters from time to time. Its not even that he just goes AFK/doesnt keep up with arena :mad: Flip a map...Hes first player in usually,see it all the time...by time I get in arena he is taxiing his plane into the trees. Its just griefing :uhoh kind of thought that was discouraged in Arena :bolt:
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hey TC hi, was just thinking about you the other day
We all know what he is saying. People are so loyal to a chess piece that when anyone changes sides to even up the numbers they are greeted with suspicion and outright hostility.
When we were kids on the sports fields we would even the sides up, shirts and skins. In the World Wide Web of stupidity that concept is null and void and if you put a shirt on you must be a spy!!
We did the same thing in Warbirds. Nobody was griefed over it.
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Exactly. If I were that yourself guy I'd be very pissed off.
Just cybro. I was annoyed that he left his plane parked on the deck of a carrier, rendering it pretty much useless for offense.
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What does Jokers have to do with any of this? Other than they are not a flash in the pan like 49ers were.
I guess the Jokers have been suffering from this malady for a long time.
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It's been so very long ago that the memory is fading, but I remember when the game was about good fights. People switched sides to even out the numbers, people stayed out of fights if their teammates didn't ask for help, etc.
I remember that too!
We had rainbows everywhere and the unicorns were prancing around with the sheep :old:
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What does Jokers have to do with any of this? Other than they are not a flash in the pan like 49ers were.
Refer to the topic which my comment was directed to or do I have to draw you stick people to get the point across
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Just cybro. I was annoyed that he left his plane parked on the deck of a carrier, rendering it pretty much useless for offense.
Too bad it couldnt be like WW2OL where you could actually push things around. I would of loved to spawn in and push him off the carrier
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Too bad it couldnt be like WW2OL where you could actually push things around. I would of loved to spawn in and push him off the carrier
Did WW2OL let you pull pilots out of their cockpit and beat them senseless on the tarmac?
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Why do people care what chess piece others prefer?
How does it effect game play?
Just shut up, play the game and live and let live
:aok
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How does it effect game play?
Because if people were willing to switch sides to even numbers, gameplay might improve. They aren't, so if one country goes low the other two sides get ENY, and because for the most part people who move mud have a tendency to go after the side that isn't defending, they generally go after the low side. Rinse, repeat.
Wiley.
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This has been an issue for a very, very, very long time. At least as long as I have been involved with AH. Always had one country that had the numbers and could steam roll the others and always had a country in the hole. Way back when the squads flying Rooks used to RJO (Rook Joint Ops) where they would set up a country wide night with one squad CO in charge and coordinating the actions of all the squads that decided to participate. I think the Knights did that also later on when it was there turn in the bucket.
But always have had issues where one country had the numbers, people not willing to switch sides. Sort of comes in cycles and intensity of it varies.
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It is fun to stand against steam rollers. I take off and fight till I get shot down. I take off again and do not need to fly a long way to the fight... it is in my back yard. WHOOOOP. Wash and repeat.
Remember that each person you shoot down has to fly a good distance to come back to the fight.
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hey TC hi, was just thinking about you the other day
We all know what he is saying. People are so loyal to a chess piece that when anyone changes sides to even up the numbers they are greeted with suspicion and outright hostility.
When we were kids on the sports fields we would even the sides up, shirts and skins. In the World Wide Web of stupidity that concept is null and void and if you put a shirt on you must be a spy!!
Yes when you werew a kid you even the sides up, but once the game started you stayed on that team, right, you didn't change sides in the middle of the game?
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Yes when you werew a kid you even the sides up, but once the game started you stayed on that team, right, you didn't change sides in the middle of the game?
And when a couple of the other side's players had to leave because their parents came to pick them up, you all just yelled "SHIRTS FOR LYFE!!!" and made the other team play shorthanded, right?
Wiley.
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When I played it wasn't the loyalty to a chess piece that kept me from switching it was the fear that the imposed time limit for switching may lead to me not be able to fly and fight with my squaddies. Which I admit having had a loyalty to them.
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Yes when you werew a kid you even the sides up, but once the game started you stayed on that team, right, you didn't change sides in the middle of the game?
I don't know... would look pretty silly 5 against one in a basketball game because Billy, the twins, and Johnny all had to go to dinner.
Maybe someone could change sides and we all have fun playing.... or we can stop and all go home. If we stop I am going to Johnny's house... his mom is a good cook.
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I don't know... would look pretty silly 5 against one in a basketball game because Billy, the twins, and Johnny all had to go to dinner.
Maybe someone could change sides and we all have fun playing.... or we can stop and all go home. If we stop I am going to Johnny's house... his mom is a good cook.
But the first game was over, right, from your description the first game ended when most of that team had to leave, but a new game could start with even sides, right. My point was that many new players jump from side to side and it usually looks like they jump to the side that is ahead, so they can get the perks for the win.
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I don't know... would look pretty silly 5 against one in a basketball game because Billy, the twins, and Johnny all had to go to dinner.
Maybe someone could change sides and we all have fun playing.... or we can stop and all go home. If we stop I am going to Johnny's house... his mom is a good cook.
And thats the problem! 5 on 1 in AH is bestest way to "Get ya NAME in the LIGHTS". Wonder if doing away with that might help. Seems kind of childish to me,honestly. :joystick:
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Because if people were willing to switch sides to even numbers, gameplay might improve. They aren't, so if one country goes low the other two sides get ENY, and because for the most part people who move mud have a tendency to go after the side that isn't defending, they generally go after the low side. Rinse, repeat.
Wiley.
Kinda like the weekend crew that refuse to fight a certain side until the other two sides have one beat down to the point of logging off? And give great answers to it like this is the only fight we have?
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But the first game was over, right, from your description the first game ended when most of that team had to leave, but a new game could start with even sides, right. My point was that many new players jump from side to side and it usually looks like they jump to the side that is ahead, so they can get the perks for the win.
I get more perks for going to the side with low numbers. I really don't do anything for perks. If you ignore them they add up pretty quickly.
I do not think most folks are concerned about perks. Just a few seem to regularly mention them.
I have almost 60,000. Almost all fighter. A few more and I can get a batman decoder ring.
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And when a couple of the other side's players had to leave because their parents came to pick them up, you all just yelled "SHIRTS FOR LYFE!!!" and made the other team play shorthanded, right?
Wiley.
No, that game ended and we chose up even sides for the next game, and no one was allowed to jump from the losing side to the winning side once the game had started.
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I get more perks for going to the side with low numbers. I really don't do anything for perks. If you ignore them they add up pretty quickly.
I do not think most folks are concerned about perks. Just a few seem to regularly mention them.
I have almost 60,000. Almost all fighter. A few more and I can get a batman decoder ring.
you don't , I don't , but the new player base does.
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No, that game ended and we chose up even sides for the next game, and no one was allowed to jump from the losing side to the winning side once the game had started.
You guys were a lot more organized than we were. It was common with us when a side went down by 2 for one of the kids from the other side to switch over to even the numbers and for the game to continue.
Wiley.
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You guys were a lot more organized than we were. It was common with us when a side went down by 2 for one of the kids from the other side to switch over to even the numbers and for the game to continue.
Wiley.
Same here.... we had no quit in us. Simply even up and go at it. Hardly skipped a beat. The game finished when rf he objective was reached, time, score, or a dang thunderstorm.
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Kinda like the weekend crew that refuse to fight a certain side until the other two sides have one beat down to the point of logging off? And give great answers to it like this is the only fight we have?
No, it's really nothing like that at all.
Wiley.
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Of the several different types of play, you're going to have those that want to have combat, be it furball, dogfighting, etc. And those that want to play win-the-war.
Those that want to fight for the sake of fighting are less likely to be averse to changing sides if that's what it takes to find a fight.
Those that play win-the-war are more likely ( my opinion based strictly from observance ) to claim loyalty to a chess piece, for that is their team. And you stick with your team. Your goal is to win the war. If you shoot down ( or worse, are shot down by ) somebody who, moments ago, was by your side, there is a sense of betrayal. That person is standing in your way of winning the war.
Those that want a fight for the sake of a fight may not be able to wrap their heads around that loyalty mentality.
Also, those that like to play win-the-war may have trouble comprehending how somebody can fight with no apparent impact other than personal accomplishment.
For the longest time I couldn't understand the tendency of one person that would fly out and then land 2 kills in an LA-7.. day after day, mission after mission. That's all they seem to be interested in doing. That opened my eyes a bit.
There are different cultures in AH. Be it GVs, win-the-war, furballing.. etc.
Don't judge.. just play.
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Those that want to fight for the sake of fighting are less likely to be averse to changing sides if that's what it takes to find a fight.
Those that play win-the-war are more likely ( my opinion based strictly from observance ) to claim loyalty to a chess piece, for that is their team. And you stick with your team. Your goal is to win the war. If you shoot down ( or worse, are shot down by ) somebody who, moments ago, was by your side, there is a sense of betrayal. That person is standing in your way of winning the war.
Those that want a fight for the sake of a fight may not be able to wrap their heads around that loyalty mentality.
Also, those that like to play win-the-war may have trouble comprehending how somebody can fight with no apparent impact other than personal accomplishment.
Don't judge.. just play.
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Those that switch are loyal to the side they are on at any given time. They will always fight for the side they are on. It is not necessarily a personal thing. Those that will switch are general more loyal to the game overall rather than just a side. They have a far greater impact than people realize. Much like in the real world... it takes all kinds.
Your very last statement are words to live and play by.
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Just cybro. I was annoyed that he left his plane parked on the deck of a carrier, rendering it pretty much useless for offense.
Couldn't that be considered griefing, upping on a CV and just sitting there? Then again, it does keep a CV from parking 2ft off shore to shell a base which is a complaint we've all seen a few times. :headscratch:
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And when a couple of the other side's players had to leave because their parents came to pick them up, you all just yelled "SHIRTS FOR LYFE!!!" and made the other team play shorthanded, right?
Wiley.
That's the best point made yet. :rofl
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Mongo Hate Dumb.
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I have played rook for going on 10 years it is just what I do. I could care less if others change sides it's your 14 bucks do as you wish. To call me retarded or stupid or an idiot because I choose to stay as I am is pretty freaking ignorant if you ask me. You are entitled to your opinion for sure but worrying about what other's do or don't is pretty freaking stupid IMO but hey what do I know right???
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:furious :furious :furious For me, the hang up on switching sides/why I hesitate is due to the down rite ANIMOSITY I get when I come home! My squad numbers have dropped to 2, so holding out till others show up isnt an issue for me...I know when he will be on and can plan around the switch timer(if I chose). I have friends on ALL sides but BISH is my true home side! Its just not worth all the SPY, FU insults that come when you kill someone who you would think knows you :uhoh Sure I could swap and not fight the Bish....what if the only fight Knits or rooks have is against the Bish? Defeats the purpose of switching, if you cant get into the fight! If it was just a passing comment here or there...no problem, they got over it EVENTUALLY(several months), but its the side you change to that can also discourage me. SPY SPY SPY, constant demeaning and impugning of your character is what makes it hard to swap. Not sure about anyone else...but I dont pay 15 bucks to get treated like this...so I stay where I feel comfortable.
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Mongo Hate Dumb.
Here have a box of candy
Mongo was all Richard Priors idea.
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I have played rook for going on 10 years it is just what I do. I could care less if others change sides it's your 14 bucks do as you wish. To call me retarded or stupid or an idiot because I choose to stay as I am is pretty freaking ignorant if you ask me. You are entitled to your opinion for sure but worrying about what other's do or don't is pretty freaking stupid IMO but hey what do I know right???
+1
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I've been trying to change sides about every 3 months or so.
It's a great way to meet other players, rather than using channel 200. It gives me a chance to fly with folks that have been shooting me down.
Who knows, maybe I'll learn something from them. :headscratch:
BTW, no country has ever called me a spy. Actually each side has been quite friendly.
:cheers: To all the pawn pieces.
Coogan
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Date Registered: October 04, 2001, 12:00:00 AM
Was playing before that but, had a PC die...
ACESHIGH... Changed sides once... Other than to hunt someone who pissed me off
WarBirds... Never
WW2OL... Never
AirWarrior... Was a Bz the first day played in back in 1991... Was a Bz the last night of AW.
Never seen any great need to jump from side to side.....but I grew up and stopped being a furballer back in 92.
CAVALRY
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I have played rook for going on 10 years it is just what I do. I could care less if others change sides it's your 14 bucks do as you wish. To call me retarded or stupid or an idiot because I choose to stay as I am is pretty freaking ignorant if you ask me. You are entitled to your opinion for sure but worrying about what other's do or don't is pretty freaking stupid IMO but hey what do I know right???
Now, now M1. You know that the use of logic is strictly forbidden. :P
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Been playing for a long time. Never loyal to any side. Never had anyone say anything when I switched sides other than “Glad to see you in green” or “My fear of enemy Jugs is now diminished.”
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I switch sides quite a bit. Other than kidding Ive never had a problem with people calling me out until this past tour when I was called a "turncoat" and "it says a lot about the kind of player you are" via PM :rofl
No hard feelings but really. . .? I don't get to play as often because of work so I like to find as much action as possible.
It is funny though seeing peoples hypocrisy from the other side.
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I have played rook for going on 10 years it is just what I do. I could care less if others change sides it's your 14 bucks do as you wish. To call me retarded or stupid or an idiot because I choose to stay as I am is pretty freaking ignorant if you ask me. You are entitled to your opinion for sure but worrying about what other's do or don't is pretty freaking stupid IMO but hey what do I know right???
Right....I mean, of course you're entitled to your opinion! Question I have for you is: Do you think that people who switch sides are traitors to the cause? That they should be howled at, made fun of, treated as spies...? That sort of thing?
- oldman
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I used to be a loyal chess piece. Frankly, it got boring. I switch around now. My squad +++Heathen Nation+++ does now. No set time, rhyme or reason. Just do what feels good to capture the style of game play I'm looking for.
The only side switcher I despise is the player that is working with you when you're playing to win the map as you build up more players, then suddenly, switch to attack 5 sets of NOE bombers. Your bombers. It's like, "jeez. You switched to bump your score". I know. It's just a cartoon game. But it's weasely and disrespectful.
Short of trying to pad your stats playing cheap, I encourage switching. Ive always been treated right on each country. Haven't met many players I didn't like.
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Started side switching as well. If a country shows constant low numbers during my usual gaming hours then that is where I will probably go. :salute
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At log-in, I check which side is getting clobbered. That's my team for the next six hours.
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At log-in, I check which side is getting clobbered. That's my team for the next six hours.
:aok :cheers:
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Started side switching as well. If a country shows constant low numbers during my usual gaming hours then that is where I will probably go. :salute
:aok :cheers:
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:furious :furious :furious For me, the hang up on switching sides/why I hesitate is due to the down rite ANIMOSITY I get when I come home! My squad numbers have dropped to 2, so holding out till others show up isnt an issue for me...I know when he will be on and can plan around the switch timer(if I chose). I have friends on ALL sides but BISH is my true home side! Its just not worth all the SPY, FU insults that come when you kill someone who you would think knows you :uhoh Sure I could swap and not fight the Bish....what if the only fight Knits or rooks have is against the Bish? Defeats the purpose of switching, if you cant get into the fight! If it was just a passing comment here or there...no problem, they got over it EVENTUALLY(several months), but its the side you change to that can also discourage me. SPY SPY SPY, constant demeaning and impugning of your character is what makes it hard to swap. Not sure about anyone else...but I dont pay 15 bucks to get treated like this...so I stay where I feel comfortable.
You're right about the animosity. I fly primarily bish but our squad went nit last tour; and I fly rook sometimes simply because I like the people there most. A lot of bish have major issues with it lol.
It's your $15/mo and if the flak you catch for widening your chess piece horizons isn't worth it, then you're right to stay bish. But I'll be darned if I let small-minded people make my game play decisions for me.
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Because if people were willing to switch sides to even numbers, gameplay might improve. They aren't, so if one country goes low the other two sides get ENY, and because for the most part people who move mud have a tendency to go after the side that isn't defending, they generally go after the low side. Rinse, repeat.
Wiley.
If that is what they want to do, so be it... its a game !
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It's a team game, so I'm somewhat surprised that you find team loyalty among the players stupid or even unexpected.
For me the "chess piece loyalty", aka. esprit de corps and camaraderie add a lot to the game. I thought that was what online multiplayer was all about.
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Right....I mean, of course you're entitled to your opinion! Question I have for you is: Do you think that people who switch sides are traitors to the cause? That they should be howled at, made fun of, treated as spies...? That sort of thing?
- oldman
NO I don't, I may kid others but I really don't care one way or the other at all. I know plenty of guys on the other sides and I look forward to flying against them to me it makes it fun. Like I said to each their own, it's a sandbox have fun. Besides whenever I am on the sides are usually pretty much even and no chesspiece is at an advantage in numbers for very long. The fact that my Squadron has always been Rook is the main reason I stay Rook....They are the only folks who will actually put up with my Shenanigans... :neener: