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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Chalenge on August 24, 2018, 06:13:36 PM
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The new graphics cards and prices are now listed on the Nvidia site. You can bet the usual Amazon crowd are doing all they can to grab and re-price them.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/?nvid=nv-int-gcxxpn-56591
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The new graphics cards and prices are now listed on the Nvidia site. You can bet the usual Amazon crowd are doing all they can to grab and re-price them.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/?nvid=nv-int-gcxxpn-56591
But doesnt it say "Limit 2 per customer."?
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Yeah, that won't slow too many down.
I can't wait to see how it handles AH3's environment.
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The prices look to be insane to start with. I'm going to give them some time to stabilize. But I do intend to get a 2080 eventually, assuming the reviews show a significant performance benefit. I definitely will not be pre-ordering.
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Yeah at about a grand that's not making me think about ditching my 1060 anytime soon.
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The real-time ray-tracing is the primary reason to buy one of these, and that is still not a mainstream capability. The cards are also supposed to boost artificial intelligence in games to better counteract with human opponents. I would love to see how that works with Sniper Elite 5 when it is released, but that's off in the 2020 season MAYBE. What this means for AH3 still remains to be seen.
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I don't know what it COULD do for AH3 given the graphics engine. The graphics it uses are what it uses. Other games, that I don't have time for, yeah prolly helps a ton! These cards are focused on the latest and greatest and mostest, supporting the newest engines and all their features that we just don't have. You can turn all that stuff on you want but if the game can't make use of it what's the point other than to say you have a 20 series card? My moderately overclocked 1060 runs everything max'd out except environmental where I have that slider at one notch. If my fr dips I'm not noticing it. Last night in FSO I flew thru some fairly large bomber formations with flak around and had no problems at all. Now I'm also only running 1080p and no VR. If I were to bump up either of those then yessir! That's a horse of a different color!
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Yeah, that won't slow too many down.
I can't wait to see how it handles AH3's environment.
Probably fine, just like a 6 year old card would.
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That's funny. The technical specs indicate the performance will be better. For anyone that missed the 10 series as an upgrade this is a smart buy, but only after the initial release. Just like electric cars you don't want to be the first one to buy into it.
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Prices are insane even for the bogus claim of 50% performance increase over previous gen gfx cards
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That's funny. The technical specs indicate the performance will be better. For anyone that missed the 10 series as an upgrade this is a smart buy, but only after the initial release. Just like electric cars you don't want to be the first one to buy into it.
I figured on picking up a 1080ti when the 2080s come out, people will be selling them like hotcakes.
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Yeah, there just isn't enough information to go on as to which of the new cards would be a good deal, but I suspect that the pricing scheme will keep them out of the 'ideal' category for a long time. The reviews will be out in another month and they will be worth waiting for. What I find interesting is the way that the CUDA cores, memory addressing scheme, bandwidth, and NVLink have been re-ordered to a different configuration than we have seen previously. The 2070 will not support NVlink. Both the 2080 Ti and the 2080 support it.
"The GeForce RTX NVLink bridge connects two NVLink SLI-ready graphics cards with 50X the transfer bandwidth of previous technologies. This means you can count on super-smooth gameplay at maximum resolutions with ultimate visual fidelity in GeForce RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 graphics cards."
Fifty times? That tells me that the 'slight' improvement that SLI gave 4k resolutions previously will be improved, but how much is anyone's guess. So, I will buy two of the 2080 Ti's, but only after the reviews come out and the drivers are optimized. I just hope the process of switching from NVlink to independent cards is smoother than it was for SLI, as I use three monitors for gaming but five for content creation. Content creation is more important for obvious reasons and NVlink will not help with that, but the second card is a must in order to have enough connectors.
I play many games, but there are only two I really care about right now. One is AH3, and the other will be getting an update in 2020 about the time that the new Nvidia cards (3080's?) will be released. Waiting that long for an upgrade is going to mean the risk of a few cards I am running currently may fail (hardware predictive failure rate being warranty dependent).The RTX promise of real-time ray-tracing probably will not be realized for at least six months, and maybe a year or more, so I'm not worried about that. In fact, I have no problems with waiting for the Quadro versions, or Titan versions for even more power. BUT, I want more power already, so it's going to happen.
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My 1060 runs everything on my 144hrz monitor :old:
I will get one of these exspensive cards in 4 years time :old:
Or I will pull a miserable face and my Mrs will buy me one to keep me out of her way. When she is watching true movies :old:
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The prices look to be insane to start with. I'm going to give them some time to stabilize. But I do intend to get a 2080 eventually, assuming the reviews show a significant performance benefit. I definitely will not be pre-ordering.
1199 Error: Significant performance benefit not found. Will not buy.
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I think the price/performance ratio is simply not there. I have been waiting to replace my aging video card, but I think I am skipping this generation. Not enough bang for the buck.
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With NVIDA forcing its vendors to take all the surplus 10 chips and from what I have read it is huge number that is being dumped on them. The price of a 1080ti should be falling very soon. I shall hold out till then.
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With NVIDA forcing its vendors to take all the surplus 10 chips and from what I have read it is huge number that is being dumped on them. The price of a 1080ti should be falling very soon. I shall hold out till then.
This sounds promising!
As for the new Graphics Engine HTC built for Aces High 3, from what I can remember, Hitech hasn't even scratched the "NEW" off of it yet..... ( think of it like this: the new AH3 Graphics Engine is capable of performing at SR-71 Mach 3.5+ yet Dale has to dial it back to perform at around A6m2 speeds, ....is that a fair synopsis?)
I was under the impression that it can do / can generates some freakishly outstanding graphics, the drawback is not going "Full Bore" and causing the majority of the player base to not be able to play the game with a maintainable decent frame rate
Also, how much is a player losing by using a newer pci-e 3.0 slot graphics card on an older pci-e 2.0 slot MB? and does the lose grow even larger as the Newer Graphics Cards come out?
TC
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Some YouTube videos showing performance difference between PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0.
This video shows basic difference between PCE-E 1.0 2.0 3.0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSHuMHbCWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSHuMHbCWo)
2nd video compares PCI-E 3.0 16x and 8x. This is nearly the same as comparing PCI-E 3.0 16x versus PCI-E 2.0 16x.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuj16gRoBI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuj16gRoBI)
3rd video shows where PCI-E 3.0 can begin to get bottlenecked with 2 Titan V video cards in SLI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8iE_sQBFXk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8iE_sQBFXk)
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I had a fairly interesting development recently. I had bought two of these 2080 Ti's for testing and eventual gifting to my older brother (for some reason he thinks he needs a 2080 for a VR game he plays, and pinball). I noticed that the stuttering in AH3 (the little pauses) got to be shorter, but more frequent when I was running the NVlink. The scaling is more interesting, because I think the pauses will be eliminated when using only one card. The scaling is just over 50% and that's with everything on and running at 4k resolution.
I was running a benchmark when I ran into a problem that brought everything to a halt. The UPS I was using with my gaming system had a battery leak that ate completely through the UPS casing, the battery joiner, and the internal circuit board. That's a first. Worse, though, is that Windows 10 was surreptitiously installing an update (that I don't want yet) and when the system came to a halt it became unbootable. Restoring from a backup was pretty quick, but I had just never seen a UPS act like that. Fortunately, the UPS sits on a wooden floor. I can only imagine what synthetic carpet mixed with battery acid would do.
Anyway, I like the 2080 cards. I don't like the price. Nvidia has done away with SLI in favor of the NVlink system, which runs $79 just for the connector (not the $700 reported on YouTube). There are some combo deals that include the connector, but the performance improvements even with the latest driver change is not enough to warrant the upgrade. I may change my mind if the 980s I use give up, but for now they're just fine.
From what I am seeing the problems some of us, not all, are having with AH3 and the graphic pauses is related to DX11. I get the same thing in another game I play, which has DX11 and DX12 version, and it doesn't have pauses in 12 (and crashes) but it does with 11.
PCIe 4.0 is already hitting the streets, while PCIe 5.0 will be out next year. That will be interesting once the 3080 cards are out in two years. Until then, I'm happy with what I have.
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Is RTX something that HTC can incorporate into their graphics engine or would it require a completely new engine? Ie AH4
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probably by far too much work just for some cosmetic effects
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Is RTX something that HTC can incorporate into their graphics engine or would it require a completely new engine? Ie AH4
It is a 'Windows 10 only' feature requiring an update to Windows 10, which Microsoft has recalled three times, so far, due to severe problems with the update.
So, that would be a "No, not at this time." answer.
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Interesting Nvidia Ray Tracing examination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39D4nsKcbUk