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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DmonSlyr on September 14, 2018, 06:22:20 PM
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Here we go, Buzzmap gonna be on all weekend. 93 players on a Friday night at 7pm ugh!!! Every time this map is up it hardly ever gets more than 100 players. The only action is in the middle every single time I see this map posted. Would absolutely suck for a 2 weeker who can only play a little bit and then come across this abomination of a map for an entire weekend.
Cant you guys just count this map as a loss? Especially now that we have new maps. It's one of the biggest flops of a map I've seen and I don't know why it is still in rotation.
Or clear all of the bases and completely redo it. The terrain layout is not that bad. The field layout is gross.
Love you guys, but sorry this map is deterring a lot of players.
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FSO will NOT have Buzzsaw up so everyone come fly FSO. There are some cool Vichy French skinned planes that you won't be able to fly...but you can look at them. :)
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There are some cool Vichy French skinned planes that you won't be able to fly...but you can look at them. :)
Will those have "WE SURRENDER!!!" painted on the tails?
:devil
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Yup, saw which map it was and decided to spend some time with the wife tonight. :(
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Yup, saw which map it was and decided to spend some time with the wife tonight. :(
:confused:
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A lot of the maps are no longer as fun because you can't navigate a carrier group anywhere but total open water.
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Was almost 200 on then fso started. Dropped to 112.
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Just looking at Buzzsaw makes me puke.
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Just looking at Buzzsaw makes me puke.
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Bring back the map with the messed up dar bars.
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AvA has the battle of tunisia running right now! Bring your squads and enemies and have a ball!!
This is why Hitech has more than one arena!
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Just looking at Buzzsaw makes me puke.
It truly depresses me. 86 it once and for all.
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yeah come on HTC give us Compello do away with Buzzsaw please. :pray
I know you're busy with a lot of over stuff, but.
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Pretty please remove this thing. There have been maps I didn’t like and maps I was indifferent about in the last decade. I never felt the need to beg for removal of any of them. But I LOATHE buzzsaw. I absolutely hate it. Please please please please remove it from the rotation and shred it to little tiny bits so it never returns.
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I will trade the buzzsaw map, for the old trinity map.
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Maps are fine and Buzzsaw always has good action. Just takes getting used to is all. Do need to fix some of the bases though like those that used to be AAA bases. And I think it is maybe 48? where the base is an island separate from town?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/jSFC6WLN/terrible.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I keep revisiting buzzsaw in respect to my experiences with the three terrains I've published. It's impractical to remove all the bases and start over with the terrain intact. What is practical and I'm assuming Waffle built this terrain, remove the three radar strats in the center and move them out to the edges of each territory. Remove all the GV spawns that went to each location. Replace the radar strats with small airfields, optional map room on the field or a town. Run spawns out from those small airfields to the surrounding vBases to make them prime real estate to own while being quick ACM action activity generators. There are no real organic places for the ACM crowd to quickly get at each other.
This terrain has a TT in the center, surrounded by three vbases and one spawn from each into it. No one has mega tank fights there since the whole essence of buzzsaw is cluttered and mildly convoluted. I wonder how many players even remember it's in the center of the map?
The terrain during peak time forces groups to get something done from the air while GVers have many more options for solo initiatives. Then in post peak times airfields are not conducive to flying out to find activity easily. Yes, adding in three airfields in the center would initiate a faster capturing of that real estate during peak time while getting it back during off peak would be a milk run. It may even facilitate flipping this terrain sooner. Another aid to flipping the map sooner would be to replace all but 3-4 medium and large airfields in each country with small airfields. This is why on my three terrains there is a preponderance of small airfields.
This would not require a radical rebuild of the map, only shifting existing objects around and swapping out one object type for another. I could do it in a weekend without altering the terrain design.
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I will trade the buzzsaw map, for the old trinity map.
+1
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I keep revisiting buzzsaw in respect to my experiences with the three terrains I've published. It's impractical to remove all the bases and start over with the terrain intact. What is practical and I'm assuming Waffle built this terrain, remove the three radar strats in the center and move them out to the edges of each territory. Remove all the GV spawns that went to each location. Replace the radar strats with small airfields, optional map room on the field or a town. Run spawns out from those small airfields to the surrounding vBases to make them prime real estate to own while being quick ACM action activity generators. There are no real organic places for the ACM crowd to quickly get at each other.
This terrain has a TT in the center, surrounded by three vbases and one spawn from each into it. No one has mega tank fights there since the whole essence of buzzsaw is cluttered and mildly convoluted. I wonder how many players even remember it's in the center of the map?
The terrain during peak time forces groups to get something done from the air while GVers have many more options for solo initiatives. Then in post peak times airfields are not conducive to flying out to find activity easily. Yes, adding in three airfields in the center would initiate a faster capturing of that real estate during peak time while getting it back during off peak would be a milk run. It may even facilitate flipping this terrain sooner. Another aid to flipping the map sooner would be to replace all but 3-4 medium and large airfields in each country with small airfields. This is why on my three terrains there is a preponderance of small airfields.
This would not require a radical rebuild of the map, only shifting existing objects around and swapping out one object type for another. I could do it in a weekend without altering the terrain design.
The reality is that the map just has no "flow" or "path to victory" If you will. Outside bases are hard to defend. The middle is just a circus. Back bases are too far everywhere. Most people don't realize that tank base is in the middle. It's just too combobulated while the outside is too spreadout and too tine consuming. I honestly think you'd just be wasting your time with these changes.
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So I didn't publish three terrains in the last two years? I have yet to play on one of yours.
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So I didn't publish three terrains in the last two years? I have yet to play on one of yours.
#BrokenRecord
The reality is that the map just has no "flow" or "path to victory" If you will. Outside bases are hard to defend. The middle is just a circus. Back bases are too far everywhere. Most people don't realize that tank base is in the middle. It's just too combobulated while the outside is too spreadout and too tine consuming. I honestly think you'd just be wasting your time with these changes.
Fixing that map that had the messed up dar bars (Fester?) would be more productive. That map kicked arse.
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So I didn't publish three terrains in the last two years? I have yet to play on one of yours.
Hey bustr, you ever drive POS car and tell your friends anout how bad it was? How many cars you built?
So you made a map. Well done. It does not negate others opinions and you are not the worlds most knowledgeable authority on game mechanics.
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If this becomes a car thread then I'll listen to car gurus. Bustr's points weren't made to start a crotch-measuring fest. He's the most successful active terrain maker currently active (in spite of others suddenly showing interest). You'd think those who really give a damn about terrain play-ability would either include him in the discussion and take him seriously without getting their feelings hurt about that fact or put up their winning ideas as 'superior hot-rods' fully built and not endlessly theorized.
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Hey bustr, you ever drive POS car and tell your friends anout how bad it was? How many cars you built?
So you made a map. Well done. It does not negate others opinions and you are not the worlds most knowledgeable authority on game mechanics.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :ahand
#Burn
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If this becomes a car thread then I'll listen to car gurus. Bustr's points weren't made to start a crotch-measuring fest. He's the most successful active terrain maker currently active (in spite of others suddenly showing interest). You'd think those who really give a damn about terrain play-ability would either include him in the discussion and take him seriously without getting their feelings hurt about that fact or put up their winning ideas as 'superior hot-rods' fully built and not endlessly theorized.
Well let's not set the bar too high now... :rofl
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Well let's not set the bar too high now... :rofl
I'm not setting the bar. HT approves his terrains. Others talk about terrains. ;)
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I'm not setting the bar. HT approves his terrains. Others talk about terrains. ;)
And others appear incapable of grasping the references presented. ;)
[And speaking of people who talk about terrains... "You-know-you" (again, not you) talks about nothing else when he isn't finger pointing. Perhaps if he spent less time banging a keyboard about it then it wouldn't take two years to make one.]
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And others are incapable of grasping the references presented. ;)
(And speaking of people who talk about terrains... You-know-you talks about nothing else when he isn't finger pointing.)
A terrain designer that has actually submitted terrains that were approved for use in the MA discusses how he managed to do such on the AH forum. Imagine that. The horror. I hope that's simple enough to grasp. :D
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A terrain designer that has actually submitted terrains that were approved for use in the MA discusses how he managed to do such on the AH forum. Imagine that. The horror. I hope that's simple enough to grasp. :D
I see, so chest-thumping, finger-pointing, and dumping on "ACM Sharks" is what you consider discussion. No, sorry, that's not anything any rational person can grasp--beyond what it actually is. :D
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I see, so chest-thumping, finger-pointing, and dumping on "ACM Sharks" is what you consider discussion. No, sorry, that's not anything any rational person can grasp--beyond what it actually is. :D
You've no superior ground to stand on when it comes to reason or rational discussion, on this forum. Bustr has gone into great detail about terrain design. You and Shida didn't even bother, quite often, with such when you referenced Bustr (and it was specifically Bustr - and not his points). It's not that you can't grasp that. It's that you don't want to. I supported your skin work when you were at a particularly vulnerable point about it. I still do. Why not man up and acknowledge Bustr's contribution rather than play forum insult wars with him?
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You've no superior ground to stand on when it comes to reason or rational discussion, on this forum.
Oh but I most certainly do.
Bustr has gone into great detail about terrain design. You and Shida didn't even bother, quite often, with such when you referenced Bustr (and it was specifically Bustr - and not his points). It's not that you can't grasp that. It's that you don't want to. I supported your skin work when you were at a particularly vulnerable point about it. I still do. Why not man up and acknowledge Bustr's contribution rather than play forum insult wars with him?
I got more out of a four minute video by Ciaphis than three years of bloviating, finger pointing, and attacks lathered with a syrup of "detail about terrain design" or whatever you want to call it.
You are a minority of one or two here.
I don't insult him. I simply quote when he does it to others.
As for your support, trust me it is appreciated. When I'm asked I help people out. I don't run my mouth on the forum insulting everyone who asks me to make a skin or insist they learn how to do it themselves. And when my work is critiqued I take it in stride--using the info to improve what I've done. I don't bristle and start lashing out at those who made the suggestions, even if they happen to have never made a skin before.
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You disappoint me.
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You disappoint me.
I am guessing it isn't the first time. LOL :) :cheers:
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I am guessing it isn't the first time. LOL :) :cheers:
That's nothing to brag about.
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That's nothing to brag about.
It ain't braggin' if It's true. :banana:
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So I didn't publish three terrains in the last two years? I have yet to play on one of yours.
Look bustr. I appreciate your patience and ability to make maps, it's great for the game. If I had time in my life right now to devote to this cause, I would try. We were not discussing your maps or experience. We are discussing the buzzsaw map and it's "flow". It's been adjusted multiple times and still does not feel right. Most of your analysis revolved around tank spawns and strats but you guys aren't really seeing it from the fighter side. Your last most recent maps have been a lot better. That's why I feel like taking Buzzsaw out of rotation won't be a big deal. All I was saying was that I think it would be a waste of time to adjust it. Put your efforts on new maps and dump this one. :aok
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Nothing wrong with buzzsaw but the radar is still screwed up.
The new dar settings have got me zoomed in so close on the map it doesn't matter what map it is.
Buzzsaw fine, radar mode should be switched back to normal for the love of AH.
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Nothing wrong with buzzsaw but the radar is still screwed up.
The new dar settings have got me zoomed in so close on the map it doesn't matter what map it is.
Buzzsaw fine, radar mode should be switched back to normal for the love of AH.
Wrong on both counts.
The new radar setting is the best thing to happen to this game in years. Buzzsaw not so much.
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Wrong on both counts.
The new radar setting is the best thing to happen to this game in years. Buzzsaw not so much.
Says you, we know.
Says me, new dar blows and buzzsaw is fine. Go paint a mustang or something. It serves you better than inflating your post count.
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The players will always fail to appreciate a challenging map because most can't adjust their game to extract fun from a new challenge.
They just fly the same stale mission profiles and complain loudly.
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Says you, we know.
Says me, new dar blows and buzzsaw is fine. Go paint a mustang or something. It serves you better than inflating your post count.
:ahand
Exellent comeback.
We know, you hate it. Go play the game or something. It serves you better than inflating your post count incessantly complaining about it.
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Although Buzzsaw is not a favorite map of mine, it does create a lot of action and not lengthy flights for fighters to find fights. I don't see what someone flying a fighter, bomber or GV really has to complain about. There are always fights to be had. I think a map like NDISLES with the center island bases in tank town that couldn't be captured would keep fighters and GVers happy. The non capture bases are always by HQ. Why not put one for each country in the center of Buzzsaw? That could help Buzzsaw.
One-eye
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These forum topics have become nothing more than a p*ssing contest between Arlo, Shida, Bustr and Vraciu. It is NOT doing these forums or the game any good whatsoever.
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I like the buzz saw map
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These forum topics have become nothing more than a p*ssing contest between Arlo, Shida, Bustr and Vraciu. It is NOT doing these forums or the game any good whatsoever.
A couple of threads with robust discussion on a discussion board...
Perish the thought.
In any case, that is hardly the entire forum.
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The "Wish" list has turned into a shouting match. About all the "Wishes" turn into a shouting match or people putting down what people wish for. Does this influence HT ?
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The "Wish" list has turned into a shouting match. About all the "Wishes" turn into a shouting match or people putting down what people wish for. Does this influence HT ?
Why would it? Have you ever seen him make a change because it was popular? The only person that you need to convince in the wishlist is HT. Everything else is just noise.
Wiley.
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Why would it? Have you ever seen him make a change because it was popular? The only person that you need to convince in the wishlist is HT. Everything else is just noise.
Wiley.
Good point.
And he has made changes. It's not like he is against doing it, but you have to have a pretty convincing argument.
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This will get moved to the wish list....
Can't we all just get along and go shoot eachother? :)
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This will get moved to the wish list....
Can't we all just get along and go shoot eachother? :)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Good point.
And he has made changes. It's not like he is against doing it, but you have to have a pretty convincing argument.
Yup. And there are certain things he's simply immobile on. Switch time, ENY, and 3 sided fight seem to be the ones that come up the most often.
IMO if he thinks it's a good idea, nobody's going to talk him out of it. If he doesn't think it's a good idea, you better have facts, not extrapolation and conjecture to back you up. Even then, it might still be a "no".
As for Buzzsaw, about all I can say is I've been here around 10 years or so and I've never hated a map in this game until Buzzsaw. I liked Trinity, I liked Fester. I find Buzzsaw annoying, if for no other reason than the way people react to it.
Wiley.
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The "Wish" list has turned into a shouting match. About all the "Wishes" turn into a shouting match or people putting down what people wish for. Does this influence HT ?
Yes the wish list works, I know of a half dozen or more that have been granted.
As for the others voicing their opinions Id think it may help HTC to decide whether its a good idea or not.
Wishes cant be "I want blah blah blah". You have to make your wish, back the wish with details of how and why it would HELP the game. Adding a plane just for the heck of it isnt going to fly adding it because of history, use in the scenarios and community popularity Im sure weigh in.
As for the wish in this thread, the comments add why it should be removed or why it shouldnt be removed. With all this information as well as what Hitech comes up with is what he makes his decisions on. More RELEVANT data is always a good thing.
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Conspiracy theory: Some people don't log in for buzzsaw. This helps them avoid playing too much, cooling down a bit, looking forward to next week, and keeping their subscriptions running for longer. Kind of like RPGs feed content in slices and limit what can be achieved per real-time, no matter how much time is spent online.
Might be the same with night time.
If its all too perfect... too boring soon.
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Is it gone yet?
:bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead