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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BBQsam on September 21, 2018, 02:26:40 AM
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And no I'm not kidding.
On top of that Mel Gibson is the Art Director. And a RL person of Bingbing also stars.
Youtube trailer. Bruce Willis at his best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7H9dR3yhSQ
And another "GREAT" trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHvAxfwXWF0
I take the title back, Warthunder looks and even flys better than the CGI for this movie
The movie goes by various names
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Now Hitech needs to contact General Secretary of China Xi Jinping and sell him that AH is better than WT then next day maybe we will have 10,000 new Chinese MA players.
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I donno, it already looks like it will be better than Pearl Harbor. :noid
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CGI will never beat real airplanes because these idiots don’t know what they’re doing with the choreography.
I like Bruce but he looks like he is cashing this one in. :(
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Strike_(2018_film)
Oh, and I think the title is appropriate as this thing will bomb at the US box office.
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LOL the YouTube comment that Bruce Willis has become Nicolas Cage. Nicolas Cage could have pulled off some of those lines, he'd make the bad movie good.
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CGI will never beat real airplanes because these idiots don’t know what they’re doing with the choreography.
I like Bruce but he looks like he is cashing this one in. :(
I think it's more along the lines of insurance companies not willing to take the risk. There are considerably more rules and regulations in place as well vs when Tora, Tora, Tora was filmed as well.
Then there is the flat line: money. Costs a LOT to run WW2 birds, and probably just as much if not more, to modify aircraft to LOOK like WW2 birds for ones that no longer fly/exist. G3N is definitely one of those.
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I think it's more along the lines of insurance companies not willing to take the risk. There are considerably more rules and regulations in place as well vs when Tora, Tora, Tora was filmed as well.
Then there is the flat line: money. Costs a LOT to run WW2 birds, and probably just as much if not more, to modify aircraft to LOOK like WW2 birds for ones that no longer fly/exist. G3N is definitely one of those.
You'll never beat the real thing unless you have actual aviators staging the scenes. Nevermind this fascination with explosions and crazy eye candy that's totally ridiculous.
A Zeke trailing smoke and spinning downhill is far more believable than the crap they do now. I absolutely cannot stand it. Give me a real airplane any day.
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But this could be actually good setup for a scenario
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Chongqing
I-16 Vs zero and some Japanese bombers can actually be quite cool scenario
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it's weird but on those posters 1/2 of Bruce Willis's face looks like Harrison Ford.
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You'll never beat the real thing unless you have actual aviators staging the scenes. Nevermind this fascination with explosions and crazy eye candy that's totally ridiculous.
A Zeke trailing smoke and spinning downhill is far more believable than the crap they do now. I absolutely cannot stand it. Give me a real airplane any day.
I'm not arguing on which is better. I'm just pointing out the likely reason behind the choice. It's FAR cheaper to CGI something than it is to get everything in order to do a stunt, that you may not get more than one or two shots at. You cannot go down to your local airport and pick up an A6M2, nor is it cheap to convert Texan to look like an A6M2 should something go wrong. Also, CGI pilots are immortal, RL ones are not.
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Regarding the cheeseball of the flying scenes, I think the problem isn't CG in itself but that the movies business's conception of ACTION demands lots of planes close together in one shot when realistically planes are very small and spread out, also how would you see them while watching on your phone unless they were all 10 feet apart? Also when was this 1000 bomber raid on Nanching or wherever???
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I'm not arguing on which is better. I'm just pointing out the likely reason behind the choice. It's FAR cheaper to CGI something than it is to get everything in order to do a stunt, that you may not get more than one or two shots at. You cannot go down to your local airport and pick up an A6M2, nor is it cheap to convert Texan to look like an A6M2 should something go wrong. Also, CGI pilots are immortal, RL ones are not.
As much as these films cost I tend to wonder if it is actually cheaper. The margin for the people who do it is probably higher, but the cost is the same.
That's my guess.
Pretty soon they'll do away with actors altogether. Why pay a human when you can make a CGI do it for free?
(I guess it's too expensive to find something other than a T-6 for the poster though. LOL)
Regarding the cheeseball of the flying scenes, I think the problem isn't CG in itself but that the movies business's conception of ACTION demands lots of planes close together in one shot when realistically planes are very small and spread out, also how would you see them while watching on your phone unless they were all 10 feet apart? Also when was this 1000 bomber raid on Nanching or wherever???
Action, explosions, airplanes making weird turns, etc. It all contributes to the mess.
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If this brings in some new players who cite the movie for wanting to try our game. Are you guys going to stomp them into quivering puddles of "WTF did I do" over how gamey that movie is? Then drive them out of ever becoming part of our community while cleansing them of their wrong headed aspirations? We tend to roast the innocent before we consider the consequences to Hitech's bottom line. Skuzzy has stepped in a few times to roast "us" over that.
Chinese, Korean and Asian production companies have been putting out CGI fantasy movies for the China\Koren\Asian\Japanese markets that shame Hollywood for being artistically senile that are as epic as the Trilogy. This film is being partnered by some of the best in the Chinese industry and the American market distribution is probably a secondary market. The Asian Pacific market place for CGI fantasy and other venue films is huge, while not needing American money from theaters or streaming distribution. It's more likely Willis wouldn't do the film if it didn't get a theater release in the USA. 2015 Jon Cusack did a Chinese production film with Jackie Chan called Dragon Blade about the silk road and a Roman Legion in 50BC. Matt Damon starred in the Great Wall, a medieval monster movie that did well. Chinese CGI is leaving Hollywood in the dust becasue Hollywood is trying to program Americans into being good little politically correct voters and American men\boys into being gender confused self loathing wimps.
In Asian film production, men are men and women are women while believable background story's are presented for female hero's that go beyond Hollywood's, girls rule boys drool cultural programing garbage.
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See Rule #4
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As much as these films cost I tend to wonder if it is actually cheaper. The margin for the people who do it is probably higher, but the cost is the same.
That's my guess.
Pretty soon they'll do away with actors altogether. Why pay a human when you can make a CGI do it for free?
(I guess it's too expensive to find something other than a T-6 for the poster though. LOL)
Action, explosions, airplanes making weird turns, etc. It all contributes to the mess.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat. Better to have actual aircraft do all the fancy work. Problem is, do you happen to know where to get a bunch of G3M's, or even of a plane that could be modified to LOOK like them, and in numbers?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat. Better to have actual aircraft do all the fancy work. Problem is, do you happen to know where to get a bunch of G3M's, or even of a plane that could be modified to LOOK like them, and in numbers?
I’d rather see B-25s with fake markings than what we see in this trailer.
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I’d rather see B-25s with fake markings than what we see in this trailer.
That would be akin to running TMB's in place of B5N's.
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That would be akin to running TMB's in place of B5N's.
Or SBDs or BT-15s, which has been done before.
I say go for it.
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You'll never beat the real thing unless you have actual aviators staging the scenes. Nevermind this fascination with explosions and crazy eye candy that's totally ridiculous.
A Zeke trailing smoke and spinning downhill is far more believable than the crap they do now. I absolutely cannot stand it. Give me a real airplane any day.
It's a movie. Would you also rather see real people actually getting shot and dying? Much more realistic.
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It's a movie. Would you also rather see real people actually getting shot and dying? Much more realistic.
No, but if I want to watch a cartoon I'll break out ROBOTECH.
CGI sucks. It looks like crap and ruins the movie. My gosh, FLYING TIGERS in 1942 used models and did a better job than CGI does.
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Hot d!@#$! I want to see this movie! :banana:
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Hot d!@#$! I want to see this movie! :banana:
Let us know how bad it is. :banana:
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Let us know how bad it is. :banana:
Oh, I'm not looking for it to be like Twelve O'Clock High, or Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, or Midway, or Battle of Britain, or The Blue Max, or Dark Blue World.
Still, I would still definitely watch it with gusto with the appropriate mind set and expectations. :aok :banana:
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Oh, I'm not looking for it to be like Twelve O'Clock High, or Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, or Midway, or Battle of Britain, or The Blue Max, or Dark Blue World.
Still, I would still definitely watch it with gusto with the appropriate mind set and expectations. :aok :banana:
"Pearl Harbor" with more cheese.
I think Bruce Willis is mad at Nagumo for his role in allowing the takeover of the Nakatomi building...
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:furious That Movie caused my phobia of Glass Panels indoors :furious Almost as scared of these as I am about not pulling my bed covers around my neck, to sleep. Thank you, baby sitter from when I was TOO LITTLE to watch DRACULA in 1976 :rofl Almost as bad as watching the movie Arachnophobia night before Opening Day of Squirrel Season(last Saturday in August)...when ALL trails are crisscrossed by webs and you are walking in before Daylight :uhoh Didnt think that one ALL the way through :rofl Surely, this Movie experience will be ok :devil
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:furious That Movie caused my phobia of Glass Panels indoors :furious Almost as scared of these as I am about not pulling my bed covers around my neck, to sleep. Thank you, baby sitter from when I was TOO LITTLE to watch DRACULA in 1976 :rofl Almost as bad as watching the movie Arachnophobia night before Opening Day of Squirrel Season(last Saturday in August)...when ALL trails are crisscrossed by webs and you are walking in before Daylight :uhoh Didnt think that one ALL the way through :rofl Surely, this Movie experience will be ok :devil
LOL hey 1stpar3------ If you go see this movie, you will forEVER be scared of even considering trying out warthunder......
**BG**
ps 1stpar3 years ago i was walking thru a building BANG i suddenly found myself flat on the ground, it was a glass door, didnt see it at all
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LOL hey 1stpar3------ If you go see this movie, you will forEVER be scared of even considering trying out warthunder......
**BG**
ps 1stpar3 years ago i was walking thru a building BANG i suddenly found myself flat on the ground, it was a glass door, didnt see it at all
NOOOOoooo :bhead I will share a secret/compulsion I have..MUST...Put...Hand prints...on all..glass doors :uhoh Restaurant workers HATE ME :neener: My Grand Parents had a glass panel on the lower half of a screen door...till i went through it :uhoh I was 4 ish. Amazingly the Plexi glass replacement is still there! Hey, my dog was being attacked by BlueBoy...TOm CAT from hell...still not sure which cut me up the worst...the window or the cat. All I AM SURE OF...when they say Mercurochrome wont burn...IS LYING :furious
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"Pearl Harbor" with more cheese.
I think Bruce Willis is mad at Nagumo for his role in allowing the takeover of the Nakatomi building...
That's exactly why I think I'll like this one a lot, but I didn't like Pearl Harbor at all. :aok
Also, this one looks to have way more air combat scenes. :airplane:
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Ima break out FLYING TIGERS with John Wayne.
“Attention! Flight A! Attention! Flight A! Japanese aircraft sighted over Kutsing area! Japanese aircraft sighted over Kutsing area!”
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That's exactly why I think I'll like this one a lot, but I didn't like Pearl Harbor at all. :aok
Also, this one looks to have way more air combat scenes. :airplane:
Wait, there was action scenes in Pearl Harbor? I must've blinked when I watched it, because it look like a chick flick set in WW2 era. :noid
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That's exactly why I think I'll like this one a lot, but I didn't like Pearl Harbor at all. :aok
Also, this one looks to have way more air combat scenes. :airplane:
Made you tear up? Its ok..the other big movie of that time Titanic made me laugh! Pearl Harbor...BROKE ME DOWN at the end! Just like Legends of The Fall....
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Wait, there was action scenes in Pearl Harbor? I must've blinked when I watched it, because it look like a chick flick set in WW2 era. :noid
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Made you tear up?
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Pearl Harbor..
I was glad I saw that movie. I hadn't realized how close we were to losing the Battle of Pearl Harbor. Thank goodness for those intrepid heroes who saved the day.
- oldman
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I was glad I saw that movie. I hadn't realized how close we were to losing the Battle of Pearl Harbor. Thank goodness for those intrepid heroes who saved the day.
- oldman
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The irony of Pearl Harbour was that the only truly realistic and inspirational part was Petty Officer Doris Miller's role (played by Cuba Gooding Jr.) in standing his ground during the attack. Everything else was typical Hollywood fluff. And the fact it was directed by the ultimate moron maker of films, Mikey Bay.
Watching any of his films in my area usually results in plenty of face-palms on the film dialogue, crappy acting, and overdone action scenes. I'd rather listen to Barry Manilow than watch a Bay film. Heck, I'd throw in Paul Anka into that mix too. Jebus. :rolleyes:
And this Chinese film reeks of Bay-style theatrics. :uhoh
I miss the old Clint Eastwood and John Wayne style films... :old:
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:rofl
The irony of Pearl Harbour was that the only truly realistic and inspirational part was Petty Officer Doris Miller's role (played by Cuba Gooding Jr.) in standing his ground during the attack. Everything else was typical Hollywood fluff. And the fact it was directed by the ultimate moron maker of films, Mikey Bay.
Watching any of his films in my area usually results in plenty of face-palms on the film dialogue, crappy acting, and overdone action scenes. I'd rather listen to Barry Manilow than watch a Bay film. Heck, I'd throw in Paul Anka into that mix too. Jebus. :rolleyes:
And this Chinese film reeks of Bay-style theatrics. :uhoh
I miss the old Clint Eastwood and John Wayne style films... :old:
Nah, needs 1000% more explosion to match a Mikey "Explosion" Bay movie. Remember, when you watch a Mike Bay movie, you are going to get some movie in your explosion scenes. The Chinese movie actually has some movie bits in it. :P
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Nope NOT that scene. The "You cant die! You know why? Your gonna be a daddy!"....."NO, YO u, Are!"! Followed by "Danny, you want to go for a ride?" :cry
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And the fact it was directed by the ultimate moron maker of films, Mikey Bay.
I think it might be more accurate to say the ultimate maker of moron films. I mean, how many films have any of us made? (Point being I doubt he is a moron but probably the reverse, unfortunate that he works for Satan however.)
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Many of those very old aviation war films look pretty cheesy by today's cinematic standards. Heck, take a look at episodes of "Baa, Baa, Blacksheep"; the only combat scenes that weren't completely silly were actual WWII combat footage. What makes a good movie/TV show is good writing, good acting, and believable story lines (part of good writing, actually). I'll probably go see this, and hope that it's better written/directed/acted that PH. For what it's worth, I enjoyed the way "Midway" managed to blend actual combat footage with actors filmed in static cockpits. Unfortunately, there's very little aerial footage from the Japanese air assault on China, on finding flying examples of most of the A/C involved is problematic (if not impossible). Give it a chance.
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Many of those very old aviation war films look pretty cheesy by today's cinematic standards. Heck, take a look at episodes of "Baa, Baa, Blacksheep"; the only combat scenes that weren't completely silly were actual WWII combat footage. What makes a good movie/TV show is good writing, good acting, and believable story lines (part of good writing, actually). I'll probably go see this, and hope that it's better written/directed/acted that PH. For what it's worth, I enjoyed the way "Midway" managed to blend actual combat footage with actors filmed in static cockpits. Unfortunately, there's very little aerial footage from the Japanese air assault on China, on finding flying examples of most of the A/C involved is problematic (if not impossible). Give it a chance.
Black Sheep was actually quite good. It had in-cockpit helmet cameras and the like, things that were unheard of in the 1970s.
I’ll take Black Sheep over CGI any day.
Midway remains one of my all-time favorite films.
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Black Sheep was actually quite good. It had in-cockpit helmet cameras and the like, things that were unheard of in the 1970s.
I’ll take Black Sheep over CGI any day.
Midway remains one of my all-time favorite films.
Uh...V...? You do realize that this was like 40 years AGO :uhoh Needless to say...but there were A LOT MORE air worthy examples of WW2 aircraft 40 plus years ago :headscratch: Just in filming of 1 EPIC WW2 Movie..."Battle of Britain" they destroyed a HUGE CACHE of WW2 aircraft for cinematic reasons :bolt: We tend to forget stuff in our age group...SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YA :bhead Oh and 1 more thing...PLUS 1,000,000,000 on Black Sheep Squadron and Midway....even Final Countdown, over CGI! We grew up in THE GREAT DAYS for this movie genre :rock
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Uh...V...? You do realize that this was like 40 years AGO :uhoh Needless to say...but there were A LOT MORE air worthy examples of WW2 aircraft 40 plus years ago :headscratch: Just in filming of 1 EPIC WW2 Movie..."Battle of Britain" they destroyed a HUGE CACHE of WW2 aircraft for cinematic reasons :bolt: We tend to forget stuff in our age group...SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YA :bhead Oh and 1 more thing...PLUS 1,000,000,000 on Black Sheep Squadron and Midway....even Final Countdown, over CGI! We grew up in THE GREAT DAYS for this movie genre :rock
Not true actually. There are far more warbirds in flying condition now than at any time in history.
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Not true actually. There are far more warbirds in flying condition now than at any time in history.
REALLY? I didnt know this. Guess I should get out more :bolt:
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REALLY? I didnt know this. Guess I should get out more :bolt:
When I started in the warbird movement there were two B-17s and a dozen Mustangs flying. Now you have a dozen 17s and 150+ Mustangs flying. One B-24 and one B-29. Now we have two of each. No Lancs then. We have two now.
The diversity has varied but in terms of total numbers we have far more airframes flying now than then.
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Black Sheep was actually quite good.
Midway remains one of my all-time favorite films.
:aok I'm with you on that!
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There are far more warbirds in flying condition now than at any time in history.
Seriously? I bet there were far far more during WWII.
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Black Sheep was actually quite good. It had in-cockpit helmet cameras and the like, things that were unheard of in the 1970s.
I’ll take Black Sheep over CGI any day.
Midway remains one of my all-time favorite films.
Don't remember any "in-cockpit helmet cameras" shots. What I do recall is that all shots of the cast characters in a cockpit were shot from just outside the cockpit. When the characters pulled either a barrel roll and loop, the dynamics were simulated the same way: the camera, 90-degrees to one side of the other and pointed at the pilot character, would be rolled 360 degrees about the lens' axis. Don't get me wrong...I loved the show. I'm just saying, there was very little contemporary-shot footage of aircraft. Mostly just the taking off, landing, and taxiing.
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Seriously? I bet there were far far more during WWII.
Those were not warbirds. Those were in-service military/combat aircraft. Different thing entirely.
A warbird is a vintage/surplus (former) military airplane maintained/restored to flying condition for non-combat, non-active duty purposes (aerial display, filming, personal use, etc.).
The airplanes used by the military during WWII were not warbirds at the time, nor are any presently flown by the military. The exception is the BBMF and the like, rare instances where an active air arm flies vintage airplanes for historical purposes.
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Don't remember any "in-cockpit helmet cameras" shots.
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I'm just saying, there was very little contemporary-shot footage of aircraft. Mostly just the taking off, landing, and taxiing.
Just because you do not remember it doesn’t mean it wasn’t done.
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And there was a LOT of footage beyond taxi, takeoff, and landing. It was expensive to obtain and often reused, but there is a lot of it.
http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/poor-lambs-corsairs-baa-baa-blacksheep.html
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funny, I never thought of Bruce Willis as an actor in a WWII movie.
I don't care if it is CGI. it's still a WWII movie and it has action or is it a pre-WWII movie. :airplane:
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So what is the Actual title of the movie?
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Too bad HiTech can't get some kind of advertising in the movie.
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LOL the YouTube comment that Bruce Willis has become Nicolas Cage. Nicolas Cage could have pulled off some of those lines, he'd make the bad movie good.
here here-or is it hear hear- Nick Cage is one of my Favorite actors
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No, but if I want to watch a cartoon I'll break out ROBOTECH.
CGI sucks. It looks like crap and ruins the movie. My gosh, FLYING TIGERS in 1942 used models and did a better job than CGI does.
Robotech is a great series
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Robotech is a great series
I love it. Still addicted after all these years.
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I love Robotech, too. :aok
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I love Robotech, too. :aok
I knew I liked you for some reason. :aok
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in the movie-Dunkirk-the used large RC models for the HE111's and the Stukas--
the 109's were actually Spanish Casa-1112 Buchons--and 109's yellow Cowling didn't come in until month's later
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Not true actually. There are far more warbirds in flying condition now than at any time in history.
You guys are misunderstanding Vraciu and nitpicking semantics.
There are more flyable warbirds (mostly fighters) than since about the 1980s. Unlimited and lower class racing has inspired people to restore fighters that were nothing but balled up metal into flyable machines. Sure, they aren't "stock" but often end up being sold and are restored to factory condition and often in the colors it used during the war........or wearing famous plane colors.
Many of the planes restored for racing would never have been restored if not for racing.
That said, if you like vintage sports cars and want to restore one, I've found that vintage race cars that have sat for many years are often the best place to start for a restoration since the pool of original cars has shrunk so much as of late.