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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FESS67 on October 16, 2018, 03:20:49 AM
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I am a bit stumped by this one. I choose my planes, my throttle is at max and yet it does nothing unless I reduce it and then increase it.
I mean, I am looking at the damn throttle and it is not pushing me forward!!! On my first flight that is confusing.
Of course on my second flight the issue does not appear.....huh? How on earth is that meant to make sense to anyone let alone people on day 1?
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I thought this was a personal issue I had with my stick. I didn't thought much of it so I didn't report it. But yeah I have the same issue.
DutchVII
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Whiles we are at it. Rotating tank guns that fire continuesly when first installed the game, bombsight that is not working and reargunners that do something similar as the gv's.
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Bingo!
I thought this was a problem with my CH setup when I came back to the game after Harvey. I messed with it for days before i realized the control settings were whacked.
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Whiles we are at it. Rotating tank guns that fire continuesly when first installed the game, bombsight that is not working and reargunners that do something similar as the gv's.
That I figured out. You have to go through EVERY input device and set it to none in the mapping. My steering wheel and pedals did exactly as you stated. The auto fire was my flight pedals. Why auto configure flight pedals to guns???????????
I mean you may as well devote your time to useless graphic co pilots rather than fix crap. just saying
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i believe the throttle doesn't work until u reset it as a safety feature. Example: You bee drinking really heavily and popped a few Ambien just to relax. Yous see a great fight happening and u quickly head over there. Start your plane and it takes of before your ready and you see the terrible knights about to vulch u but u can stop because the lfight is in motion. The doorect was is to get in you plane and see if you can take off without gettig shot. so before the plane taxis u thhinkg the mafiia is gonna get yu and u log off and save the day .
Sorry benn drinking some I may have to read it a few times to see if i makes sence.'got a B in engliish in hights schoool but wasent sas luded up
b
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I am a bit stumped by this one. I choose my planes, my throttle is at max and yet it does nothing unless I reduce it and then increase it.
I mean, I am looking at the damn throttle and it is not pushing me forward!!! On my first flight that is confusing.
Of course on my second flight the issue does not appear.....huh? How on earth is that meant to make sense to anyone let alone people on day 1?
I have had the same problem with my CH pro throttle.... Exactly how you described it
Started doing this about 3 to 4 patches back, but I never thought of reporting it since it was so easy to figure out for myself personally.....
Guess now that I should have
TC
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It's not a bug, it is a way that many different things can control the throttle with out different selections. As example, at take off you could just hit shift + and be at full throttle instead of moving the throttle. Or you can grab VRcontrollers and control the throttle with the virtual one, the key board. or the throttle on your stick.
HiTech
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Are you saying that if I have my throttle at 100% I can over ride it simply by using the keyboard commands?
Or does this just pertains to flying in VR?
I thought was so simple to figure out that it is not an issue for me
TC
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It's not a bug, it is a way that many different things can control the throttle with out different selections. As example, at take off you could just hit shift + and be at full throttle instead of moving the throttle. Or you can grab VRcontrollers and control the throttle with the virtual one, the key board. or the throttle on your stick.
HiTech
I may drive up there and throttle Hitech with his favorite refreshment. :rofl
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Are you saying that if I have my throttle at 100% I can over ride it simply by using the keyboard commands?
TC
Yes.
HiTech
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Cool thanks
I'm gonna program one of the 144 button/hatswitch with a "Shift +"
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Lol mine does the same thing thought I was going crazy and had a bad throttle :bhead thanks for posting this fess
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Lol mine does the same thing thought I was going crazy and had a bad throttle :bhead thanks for posting this fess
Yeah. In a staged mission with an air start, I start falling out of the sky. :rofl
Even if I wiggle my throttle I still fall out of formation before I can compensate.
Maybe with air start, you assume full throttle until they tell you otherwise instead of assuming zero throttle. That's probably the better assumption for air starts. :lol
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It seemed to me this crept in when the autodetect appeared and the xbox controller showed up until I double-hit a button on my joystick.
Any chance it could realize the throttle's what I want to use when I get rid of the xbox controller?
Wiley.
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Wiley, highly not. See, there's many controllers which be used as a throttle, the mouse wheel being one I used to use way back. The only way to make the game to understand your wish would be to eliminate all potentiometres in your system. That might be challenging, keyboard and throttle only for flying and fighting!
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Wiley, highly not. See, there's many controllers which be used as a throttle, the mouse wheel being one I used to use way back. The only way to make the game to understand your wish would be to eliminate all potentiometres in your system. That might be challenging, keyboard and throttle only for flying and fighting!
But there's a config file that says "This is the throttle control axis." Why is there any autodetect even involved at that point? Why does it require me to tell it to ignore the xbox controller that nothing is mapped to every time the program starts?
Wiley.
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Well, truth to be said, no idea.
However, having to move the throttle to activate it makes me feel like having executed an essential pre-flight checklist related ritual. And that makes me feel good. Immersion, no matter how worn out that word is.
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Its EXACTLY the same in DCS. Its really not THAT big an issue,SURELY :headscratch: All you got to do is slightly bump it..then game says" OK..we ready". Its just different..I know :mad: but DAYAM..come on man :bhead
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Its EXACTLY the same in DCS. Its really not THAT big an issue,SURELY :headscratch: All you got to do is slightly bump it..then game says" OK..we ready". Its just different..I know :mad: but DAYAM..come on man :bhead
I think it's more of the issue that "it wasn't this way before and now HiTech changed it and I don't like it".
I'm in that camp as well...annoying...but it is what it is...
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Yeah. In a staged mission with an air start, I start falling out of the sky. :rofl
Even if I wiggle my throttle I still fall out of formation before I can compensate.
Maybe with air start, you assume full throttle until they tell you otherwise instead of assuming zero throttle. That's probably the better assumption for air starts. :lol
Agreed.
In fact with old method if you had throttle at zero during air start it would set the engine that way and nothing I could do about it. With new method I can make it be full until you move the throttle no matter where it is.
HiTech
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Is there any chance that we could get that as an option that we elect to toggle or perhaps something for arena admins can set within the arena settings?
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Is there any chance that we could get that as an option that we elect to toggle or perhaps something for arena admins can set within the arena settings?
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I have no idea what you are asking for.
HiTech
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Is there any chance that we could get that as an option that we elect to toggle or perhaps something for arena admins can set within the arena settings?
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You should already have the ability to go in to the controllers setup and/or key mapping and program a button/hat switch/or key on your keyboard to toggle it
Hope this helps
TC
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Cool thanks
I'm gonna program one of the 144 button/hatswitch with a "Shift +"
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Agreed.
In fact with old method if you had throttle at zero during air start it would set the engine that way and nothing I could do about it. With new method I can make it be full until you move the throttle no matter where it is.
HiTech
if the issue, as it appears, affects air starts primarily, why not leave the throttle the way it was and add an option for arena admins and those that build offline missions to set the throttle for air starts?
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if the issue, as it appears, affects air starts primarily, why not leave the throttle the way it was and add an option for arena admins and those that build offline missions to set the throttle for air starts?
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Because the air starts not being at full throttle is simply a bug, the way the throttle works was not changed because of air starts. It was changed to support multiple setups.
HiTech
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Because the air starts not being at full throttle is simply a bug, the way the throttle works was not changed because of air starts. It was changed to support multiple setups.
HiTech
Gotcha, not sure I understand completely as the option to control the throttle (throttle, keyboard, mouse wheel etc) has always been there.
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Gotcha, not sure I understand completely as the option to control the throttle (throttle, keyboard, mouse wheel etc) has always been there.
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it was not there before. If you had an analog throttle configured, you could not use the key board throttle.
HiTech
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Same thing happens in the windows game controller setup. I doubt the game is causing this since it relies on windows.
If windows does it, the game will as well.
How about you move your throttle and controls around like a real pilot does during preflight.
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it was not there before. If you had an analog throttle configured, you could not use the key board throttle.
HiTech
Ok, gotcha
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A right-click&hold to the clip-board map to bring up and select from the pop-up menu moves the map. It feels strange. It didn't do this before the VR input changes.
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Same thing happens in the windows game controller setup. I doubt the game is causing this since it relies on windows.
If windows does it, the game will as well.
How about you move your throttle and controls around like a real pilot does during preflight.
Because we generally don't move throttles and thrust levers around during a preflight.
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Because we generally don't move throttles and thrust levers around during a preflight.
Amen to that Vraciu.
Heck, for years I would use the shift + to engage throttle even when I had a proper HOTAS.
I like the current implementation. It ensures that I dont golf cart wheeling down aa runway or fall off a aircraft carrier while I am adjusting my VR headset, or getting myself seated properly when I first take off.
Leave it alone. Its guuud. :aok
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Interesting...
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To date I've never experienced this happening to me...
.but I also use CH Control Manager created control mappings (read as Windows controller map settings) w\ my CH HOTAS that the game sees when executed (if you have the CH CMCC running prior to game startup so the CH CM created controller map of choice is executed\read within\into Windows) so I'll assume that the game's controller auto mapping feature sees this and auto sets itself to use the "Windows mapping" as read after making the initial game controller settings after initial game install to "match" the Windows controller map and as long as the Windows controller map doesn't change neither does the game controller map settings...
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If this is so then here is a potential reason to use CH Control Manager software to map your HOTAS settings in Windows instead of within the game...
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Just a thought...
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Interesting...
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To date I've never experienced this happening to me...
.but I also use CH Control Manager created control mappings (read as Windows controller map settings) w\ my CH HOTAS that the game sees when executed (if you have the CH CMCC running prior to game startup so the CH CM created controller map of choice is executed\read within\into Windows) so I'll assume that the game's controller auto mapping feature sees this and auto sets itself to use the "Windows mapping" as read after making the initial game controller settings after initial game install to "match" the Windows controller map and as long as the Windows controller map doesn't change neither does the game controller map settings...
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If this is so then here is a potential reason to use CH Control Manager software to map your HOTAS settings in Windows instead of within the game...
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Just a thought...
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Could be? I usually calibrate on first flight and it seemed to NOT have that issue...control for throttle mentioned. I only noticed it, after a log in and base was swarming..didnt have time to calibrate as usual. .Sure it IS an inconvenience..or I see how it could be...but its not that big a deal IMO. I know its gonna happen, so just move the throttle at launch. I will deal with this just fine...I LOVE the Air Spawns in MP and last few Scenarios! :rock
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Because we generally don't move throttles and thrust levers around during a preflight.
I suppose in real life you don't start your engines with the throttle on "full power" either? If so, there would be no issue if everyone using a throttle pulled the lever back after every landing/crash/ditch/pullplug. As a bonus the potentiometre would get some action on the dusty areas to prevent spiking caused by accumulated dirt.
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You all know I did not say it was a big deal right? But to a new player is could and probably is very confusing and that is why I titled the thread as such.
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I suppose in real life you don't start your engines with the throttle on "full power" either?
Depends. But throttle wide open, mixture cut off, crank, mixture rich when it starts firing is pretty normal.
Moving some throttles needlessly is a stupid idea because whenever it's moved from closed to open some fuel is pumped.
It would be nice if it could always use the one input device if only a single input device is mapped. For the default config it wouldn't help because buttons would always be mapped by default.
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I suppose in real life you don't start your engines with the throttle on "full power" either? If so, there would be no issue if everyone using a throttle pulled the lever back after every landing/crash/ditch/pullplug. As a bonus the potentiometre would get some action on the dusty areas to prevent spiking caused by accumulated dirt.
Most of us don't get to use auto takeoff either. Muh gaming concessions.
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Depends. But throttle wide open, mixture cut off, crank, mixture rich when it starts firing is pretty normal.
Moving some throttles needlessly is a stupid idea because whenever it's moved from closed to open some fuel is pumped.
It would be nice if it could always use the one input device if only a single input device is mapped. For the default config it wouldn't help because buttons would always be mapped by default.
You won't see me doing that on any piston I fly.
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You all know I did not say it was a big deal right? But to a new player is could and probably is very confusing and that is why I titled the thread as such.
Hitech explained the reason so there's no argument from me, but I preferred the way it was before.
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You won't see me doing that on any piston I fly.
Yikes! Me either.
- oldman (bet it wakes up the neighbors, though)
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You won't see me doing that on any piston I fly.
You need to fly more Fuel Injected Lycomings.
This is a very normal procedure for hot start. Bugger is getting the mixture feed in and throttle back timing so the engine keeps running. Many times is a fancy lever dance with both hands.
HiTech
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You need to fly more Fuel Injected Lycomings.
This is a very normal procedure for hot start. Bugger is getting the mixture feed in and throttle back timing so the engine keeps running. Many times is a fancy lever dance with both hands.
HiTech
True ^
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I do it on real planes to check for any snags that might hang the throttle but only one cycle and only when I start cold a plane that has sat since the last time it was flown.
Not all aviation carbs have accelerator pumps but you don't want to pump an updraft carb that has one more than once.
Of course, I have an A&P so I know the systems but that doesn't mean everybody shouldn't know the systems on everything they fly.
What you don't want is a hanging throttle so it's not a bad idea to "feel it's action" before starting a plane.
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Cool icepac, I didn't know that you had your Airframes and Powerplants License
Learn something new everyday!
TC
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You need to fly more Fuel Injected Lycomings.
This is a very normal procedure for hot start. Bugger is getting the mixture feed in and throttle back timing so the engine keeps running. Many times is a fancy lever dance with both hands.
HiTech
I can see that happening I guess. I'll have to take your word for it.
Come to think of it, I think the 172SP and the like had some odd startup procedure compared to traditional 172 et al. I remember the boost pump stuff, too. I had forgotten some of that.
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I do it on real planes to check for any snags that might hang the throttle but only one cycle and only when I start cold a plane that has sat since the last time it was flown.
Not all aviation carbs have accelerator pumps but you don't want to pump an updraft carb that has one more than once.
Of course, I have an A&P so I know the systems but that doesn't mean everybody shouldn't know the systems on everything they fly.
What you don't want is a hanging throttle so it's not a bad idea to "feel it's action" before starting a plane.
We used to pump the throttle more than once in certain instances during start primarily because of the accelerator pump. It's situation dependent like anything.
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Come to think of it, I think the 172SP and the like had some odd startup procedure compared to traditional 172 et al.
Only time I've started an SP with the throttle advanced all the way was when I'd already flooded it.
- oldman
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You all know I did not say it was a big deal right? But to a new player is could and probably is very confusing and that is why I titled the thread as such.
:aok YUP! I didnt read your post that way(sky is falling over this). It could be an issue, i guess. When I am new to stuff...I fidget with every control...thus no issue for ME :rofl Then again..I am weird like that, and some others arent, so... :uhoh
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Only time I've started an SP with the throttle advanced all the way was when I'd already flooded it.
- oldman
Well there you go. Lol.
I've certainly never done it to my recollection that's for sure, but I do recall the newer Cessna piston airplanes (172R/SP, 206H) being a much different animal to start. The only thing I remember clearly was turning on the fuel pump until the needle jumped then turning it back off. If you left it on too long it wouldnt start worth a darn. I think you also cranked with mixture at cutoff until it chuffed then advanced the mixture slowly until it caught. Whatever it was, the procedure always seemed a bit Byzantine. I obviously got used to it I guess but...
Only way I could tell you anything else is to dig up my old checklist for it. Same with 206, 310, 340, 414, 421, PA-44, A36, BE58, etc. I can still start the 150/152 and older generation 172s in my sleep--they're so straightforward. Tommahawk, too. Anything else other than an EMB-145 series I will have to remind myself.
I got to start a P-47 once (closely supervised). That was something. I remember the sound, smell, and vibration like it was yesterday, but not much else. Big-motor T-28 also. Rattled my teeth lose on takeoff (I was along for the ride).
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I just wanted to note; the air start throttle issue I mentioned earlier was mis-identified. A different cause, maybe, maybe not a bug.
Documented: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,394939.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,394939.0.html)
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