General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: guncrasher on October 17, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
Title: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: guncrasher on October 17, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
it was the pigs squad night last night. we noticed a darbar west of a55 it had been there for about 10 minutes. it was about 1 1/2 sectors, we thought it was a fighter sweep or bomber raid towards a55. so we called the alarm and a squadie and me went to investigate as we were the first to take off. my squadie flew on the southern portion of the sector while I flew on the norther side. I found them first it was a really tight formation of 5 boxes of b17's at 10k. it was an awesome formation. we waited till about 4 more pigs and a friendly showed up with altitude.
if we had gone one by one we would have gotten killed so we counted and we all dove in at the same time. I dove in and I swear all 15 b17's were shooting at me so I broke off 1000 from them. I started yelling that they were all shooting at me. my squadies were able to get a couple of the b17's. then we pulled up for another dive, think there was 6 of us we all dove in from different directions. dive in shoot pulled up organize then dive in. I swear those b17's put up a first class defense. we would get 1, 2 or 3 with every dive. took us a long time to shoot down all the b17's. that's the most fun I have had in a long time. we all had parts missing and no ammo, 1 squadie had no engine.
the b17's mounted another raid but by then they had a couple of fighter escorts but we shot down most of them I think. you can say it was a sucessful attack by us but they pulled enough fighters away from a55 that bishops took it with tanks and a few fighters. it doesnt matter that was some of the best action I have seen in a long time.
dont know which squad flew the b17's but I said a job well done that's how a great bomber raid is done even if they didnt drop a single bomb. it was great fun for all of us.
semp
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 17, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
Awesome "AAR" , Semp
Sounds like everyone had a lot of fun
Thanks for sharing
~S~
TC
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: bustr on October 18, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
If you don't know squat about ACM, the K4 is a superb bomber interceptor like it was designed to be. I lifted late 2 sectors away and still got into position at 22k just after the first attack started with fuel to spare starting with only 100% internal. Just like the 163, attack from front and side obliques holding fire until 400 pulling off at the last moment. I only got assists becasue I started late into the fray and my squad had already peppered almost all the B17 in the formation. They were locked together like a brick wall studded with 50cals. But, the single 30mm separated the rear from each B17 I attacked. The incredible WEP in the K4 made it possible to constantly reset out front of the formation and slash back in to cut apart another bomber. Instead of burning WEP on my initial climb out to catch up with the formation, I stair stepped up to alt becasue the K4 in level flight picked up speed so fast for the next vertical popup step.
Attacking that formation was real AH old school fun. Didn't hurt that POTW is an FSO squad and used to coordinating attacks like this on the fly with no pre-planning. Waystin just went all FSO flight lead on us and fired up the piggy machine.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: DubiousKB on October 19, 2018, 10:59:06 AM
I'd like to second the Hats off salute to the b17's! Was it the D*ckweed heavy bomber group?? That kind of action is what the game was MADE FOR! There's something very rewarding about diving into a large bomber formation AND coming out the other side at least once.
Gunners were angry on those bombers and I doubt any of the attackers left without at LEAST one hole in their aircraft. Either way, <S> to those in the formation as you guys are awesome and make the game worth playing!
:rock :aok :salute
P.S. The only downside was the POTW left a trail of slop all the way to the bombers and home. It was a mess and them pigs was hungry! :neener:
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 19, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
YES! Feral Hogs are a HUGE problem....just tear up EVERYTHING! Good thing though.....YEAR ROUND HOG HUNTING opportunities :aok Shoot...who DOESNT like BBQ :rofl
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: molybdenum on October 19, 2018, 06:09:48 PM
Though I wasn't there myself, this sounds like it was much more fun for the fighter pilots who pounced than the bomber pilots who got slaughtered.
As a bomber pilot first and foremost, my mentality is to reach and hit a target in whatever I have upped. Someone in this thread said that the 17s never dropped a bomb? Then the bomber guys spent a fair amount of time to reach alt (granted, 10k not much alt) to get killed before they could do what they presumably spent that time to do?
Would be very interested to hear from any of the actual buff pilots involved to see if they thought getting torn apart like that was fun.
In the good old days AH had the people to do such missions with fighter escort, I am told? This was before my time mostly, though I do remember bumping into a few missions deep in enemy territory with my strat-running Ki67s, and tearing into the buffs before the escorts could tear into me! But that was half a decade ago....
Anyway (and again) I'd like to hear from any of the buff pilots involved. If they had fun, <S> to everyone involved. Otherwise, experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk.
JMO...
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: RELIC on October 19, 2018, 06:40:21 PM
Though I wasn't there myself, this sounds like it was much more fun for the fighter pilots who pounced than the bomber pilots who got slaughtered.
As a bomber pilot first and foremost, my mentality is to reach and hit a target in whatever I have upped. Someone in this thread said that the 17s never dropped a bomb? Then the bomber guys spent a fair amount of time to reach alt (granted, 10k not much alt) to get killed before they could do what they presumably spent that time to do?
Would be very interested to hear from any of the actual buff pilots involved to see if they thought getting torn apart like that was fun.
In the good old days AH had the people to do such missions with fighter escort, I am told? This was before my time mostly, though I do remember bumping into a few missions deep in enemy territory with my strat-running Ki67s, and tearing into the buffs before the escorts could tear into me! But that was half a decade ago....
Anyway (and again) I'd like to hear from any of the buff pilots involved. If they had fun, <S> to everyone involved. Otherwise, experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk.
JMO...
My thoughts too. Unless they are at a decent alt and leveled for speed, buffs are easy pickins.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: RELIC on October 19, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
and no disrespect intended to the POTW.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: bustr on October 19, 2018, 07:11:42 PM
Wasytin and the two scouts read the map and the darbar as a bomber mission. The scouts located the bombers and shadowed them waiting for more piggies to show up. That allowed the bombers to get to 20k and locked tight together. They had zero escorts which in the real war is why bombers over the continent got chewed up before the P51. We setup to dive in from multiple directions to limit the gunner's ability to hit all of us. Some of us got nailed but, being vets we prevailed and eventually eliminated all 5 boxes.
So fun for the bomber pilots is what, all of POTW should have lined up 600 on the 6 of the bomber boxes and allowed ourselves to be slaughtered? B17's are not the easiest bombers in the game to attack and groups of them often chew up attackers. POTW happens to be good at working as a unit to destroy things in Aces High. That mission took their chances and this time they ran into POTW and not some uncoordinated gaggle of green guys. At least we didn't up 262 which the last time we ran into this many bombers we had to fight each other for leftovers due to the mass falling apart of 18 bombers. It was actually faster getting prop fighters into position 2 sectors away at 22k than it does with 262.
If you want to denigrate anyone, point fingers at 999000. Over the years we lost a lot of piggies to him while he taught us the hard way how to kill bombers.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: guncrasher on October 19, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
they were not easy pickings. I found them at 10k while still climbing shadowed for a while while others catched up. they were in a very tight formation. we didnt kill them within a couple of minutes it took a long time. they made 2 turns while under attack while still maintaining formation. they were at full speed level flight most of the time. they had walls of tracers in every direction. they defended themselves pretty good. we all had bullet holes everywhere. 1 of ours dropped early in the fight because of a dead engine another had engine quit 1/2 thru the fight. I miself landed with parts missing. everybody had bullet holes and parts missing.
the last 2 or 3 b17's were the hardest to kill as we had either no ammo or very little left. the b17's werent shooting as much then as I think they had used up ammo in several positions.
this was a very disciplined set of b17's, they werent noobs. they fought us well thru turns for about 3 1/2 sectors. the last b17 was killed just before it could reach a55.
semp
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: horble on October 19, 2018, 08:01:22 PM
If I’m in a bomber and no one comes to intercept me the whole sortie was a waste of time.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Mongoose on October 19, 2018, 09:39:35 PM
Though I wasn't there myself, this sounds like it was much more fun for the fighter pilots who pounced than the bomber pilots who got slaughtered.
As a bomber pilot first and foremost, my mentality is to reach and hit a target in whatever I have upped. Someone in this thread said that the 17s never dropped a bomb? Then the bomber guys spent a fair amount of time to reach alt (granted, 10k not much alt) to get killed before they could do what they presumably spent that time to do?
Are you serious? First, if you launch in anything, you are a target, period. You don't get to complain when someone shoots at you. Second, we have pages and pages of people complaining of not being able to find a fight. Here you have two groups that had a really good fight, and you put them down for it.
Here the Pigs are saluting the bomber team for doing such a good job. Kudos to both teams.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: waystin2 on October 20, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
As a note the Dickweeds upped immediately afterwards but adjusted their flight to avoid where the Pigs were operating. The Dickweeds are always a professional crew and it does not go in the Pigs favor every time the two squads meet hence the <S> that Semp is throwing out. I would say we have lost as many planes to them in the long run. I am currently flying with a few of them in the scenario and they curse me and love me at the same time. I am guarding their B-25's and B-26's against Axis fighters while trying to destroy the German JU-88's. Love working with these guys and fighting against them. It's what Aces High is all about.
:salute
Waystin2
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Ciaphas on October 20, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
Though I wasn't there myself, this sounds like it was much more fun for the fighter pilots who pounced than the bomber pilots who got slaughtered.
As a bomber pilot first and foremost, my mentality is to reach and hit a target in whatever I have upped. Someone in this thread said that the 17s never dropped a bomb? Then the bomber guys spent a fair amount of time to reach alt (granted, 10k not much alt) to get killed before they could do what they presumably spent that time to do?
Would be very interested to hear from any of the actual buff pilots involved to see if they thought getting torn apart like that was fun.
In the good old days AH had the people to do such missions with fighter escort, I am told? This was before my time mostly, though I do remember bumping into a few missions deep in enemy territory with my strat-running Ki67s, and tearing into the buffs before the escorts could tear into me! But that was half a decade ago....
Anyway (and again) I'd like to hear from any of the buff pilots involved. If they had fun, <S> to everyone involved. Otherwise, experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk.
JMO...
It's the name of the game, you up for a target and hope you get time over that target. If you get bounced, you get bounced. If flying with impunity is your idea of fun, I recommend flying off line because as has been previously stated. wheels up = target. The longer you are in the air the greater your chances are of getting bounced. it's all part of the circle of combat.
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Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: molybdenum on October 23, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
If you want to denigrate anyone, point fingers at 999000. Over the years we lost a lot of piggies to him while he taught us the hard way how to kill bombers.
How was I denigrating anyone? I'm glad you guys had fun, just was wondering if the bomber pilots who got killed before they dropped thought the same.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Wiley on October 23, 2018, 04:15:54 PM
Anyway (and again) I'd like to hear from any of the buff pilots involved. If they had fun, <S> to everyone involved. Otherwise, experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk.
JMO...
Why do you even play a multiplayer game?
Wiley.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: molybdenum on October 23, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
I'm assuming that's not a "real" question, but I'll answer it anyway: to help a team achieve an objective. There's more to it than that of course but that's a big part of it.
I know you in-game as a fighter pilot who regularly patrols at high alt, seeking buffs upon which to pounce. That's not very sporting but I have no quarrel with it: if I were a fighter pilot I would probably do the same. But why imply people like me don't want to fight when what we really want is a chance to accomplish something big picture while fighting? And I'd argue that many of the high alt pouncers don't want to fight so much as they want to "win" (by attacking enemy planes with the advantage of lots of altitude and E). I don't bump into you all that often any more but I can't remember you ever attacking my buffs at a disadvantage in order to stop me from white-flagging a town or taking out a VH, for example. Which in itself is totally fine, it's your $15 and all that. But don't you see that the high pouncing thing isn't really much of a fight at all? And why imply people who also prefer to have some sort of advantage--or at least a decent chance of survival--ought to be playing something else?
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Wiley on October 23, 2018, 06:04:48 PM
I'm assuming that's not a "real" question, but I'll answer it anyway: to help a team achieve an objective. There's more to it than that of course but that's a big part of it.
I know you in-game as a fighter pilot who regularly patrols at high alt, seeking buffs upon which to pounce. That's not very sporting but I have no quarrel with it: if I were a fighter pilot I would probably do the same. But why imply people like me don't want to fight when what we really want is a chance to accomplish something big picture while fighting? And I'd argue that many of the high alt pouncers don't want to fight so much as they want to "win" (by attacking enemy planes with the advantage of lots of altitude and E). I don't bump into you all that often any more but I can't remember you ever attacking my buffs at a disadvantage in order to stop me from white-flagging a town or taking out a VH, for example. Which in itself is totally fine, it's your $15 and all that. But don't you see that the high pouncing thing isn't really much of a fight at all? And why imply people who also prefer to have some sort of advantage--or at least a decent chance of survival--ought to be playing something else?
You're Havermyr right? Now Osmium?
I can't recall ever bumping into you doing anything other than high alt strat runs in a high speed bomber. Of course I'm going to set up properly for that, because it's suicide to attack bombers above 30k at speed any other way. Even then the way you do combat turns makes it near impossible to get at you from any angle other than the back.
For some reason we must miss each other doing more tactical/field stuff because generally speaking, I'll go after whatever's coming into the airspace I'm working. I preferentially attack from above, but generally speaking if I have fuel and bullets, I'll try to kill whatever's there.
My point was your previous post was essentially saying "You're possibly getting people to leave by attacking them successfully." Which is frankly, a ludicrous statement in a combat game.
Wiley.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: guncrasher on October 23, 2018, 07:06:37 PM
How was I denigrating anyone? I'm glad you guys had fun, just was wondering if the bomber pilots who got killed before they dropped thought the same.
I am under the assumption that you have never shot down anybody in the game because you are afraid they're not having fun and they might quit.
I didnt post this thread as a look at us thread. it was more of a testament to the bombers skill. they flew very well and they covered each other while making 2 turns while we harassed them. I have never seen and I am not joking walls of fire with each and every dive we did. we got lucky they didnt kill us all.
semp
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: molybdenum on October 23, 2018, 09:58:50 PM
My point was your previous post was essentially saying "You're possibly getting people to leave by attacking them successfully." Which is frankly, a ludicrous statement in a combat game.
Wiley.
Yup, it would have been ludicrous to have said that, which I didn't. What I said was "experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk," which isn't the same thing at all, and which is what semp and the other Pigs were excited to have encountered.
And semp, I apologize if my post gave the impression that you or anyone else posted on the threat as a "look at us" thing. I know that wasn't it. You and your crew had a great time beating up on those buffs, and I've no doubt they defended themselves admirably. The point I was trying to get across is that you guys seemed to assume the buffs had just as much fun as you did. That seemed unlikely to me, hence my invitation for them to offer their perspective.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Wiley on October 23, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
Yup, it would have been ludicrous to have said that, which I didn't. What I said was "experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk,"
So... the defenders should have done what, precisely, in your opinion to avoid discouraging these poor, hapless bomber pilots?
Wiley.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: The Fugitive on October 23, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
Yup, it would have been ludicrous to have said that, which I didn't. What I said was "experiences like this just discourage further retro buff missions of that ilk," which isn't the same thing at all, and which is what semp and the other Pigs were excited to have encountered.
And semp, I apologize if my post gave the impression that you or anyone else posted on the threat as a "look at us" thing. I know that wasn't it. You and your crew had a great time beating up on those buffs, and I've no doubt they defended themselves admirably. The point I was trying to get across is that you guys seemed to assume the buffs had just as much fun as you did. That seemed unlikely to me, hence my invitation for them to offer their perspective.
That is the main reason I up buffs, in the hopes that I WILL be attacked. Bombing things that DONT move nor shoot back as about the easiest thing to do in this game. What makes it exciting is to be attacked on the way in or the way out.
The same goes for fighting in my Jug. I'll turn fight a NIK if he looks a bit sloppy on his turns because its a challenge. I think we need MORE players who put the "action" of a fight ahead of a mission.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 24, 2018, 03:52:46 AM
I think you guys are misinterpreting what Moly is trying to say? Keep in mind...the day this occurred and well quite often..the MA is a 2 on 1, Horde them all type deal. Now NOT saying this is a bad thing at all, or even that this is why he posted what he did...but you pork chops were gang banging for 3 hours before this mission lifted(I loved it...more targets). So...as we ALL KNOW...situations and circumstances (YMMV) lead to some bad game experiences. I am just saying....a WHOLE LOT of folk on each side will B and Moan at some point or other...so why does every single thing end up being so snide and condescending. Moly to my knowledge, absolutely loves when folk try to get him in his bombers..doesnt mean he cant be wary and point out that some dont like this(some NEW PLAYERS start in bombers as the flight characteristics make them easier for noobs).Maybe he was being to proactive in his assumptions? With numbers as they ARE...I cant begrudge him for saying hold up a bit and not run folk off...IMO. This isnt one of those cases though...The Dickweeds didnt stop talking about that run until about 12:30 AM. Pretty sure that it is because all of them but 1 logged and went to bed! :devil We need all of US to keep this game going...and condescending and bickering will cause nothing but problems. :uhoh
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: The Fugitive on October 24, 2018, 09:20:01 AM
I think it tells a tale in how game play has changed over the years. In the days of "yor" this is what we lived and played for! For both sides! We had guys manning every gun and hoping guys would try and jump us. AH has the formation s but you still can add a gunning and fire ALL guns. Combat was the name of the game!
Today, not so much. People runni nbn g to acknowledge, people crying because they did t get to drop their bombs because the mission. got busted. Boo hoot is what the game is suppose to be about. Your trying to complete a mission and it's the fighter guys mission to stop you. Only one side can win unless your playing the game to have fun and fight your way through the challenge, then both sides win.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Wiley on October 24, 2018, 10:21:31 AM
I cant begrudge him for saying hold up a bit and not run folk off
How exactly does this line of thought work?
Again. What precisely should the defenders have done? "Oh, there's a big ball of bombers headed into our airspace. We should ignore them because we wouldn't want to make them sad." Or perhaps the thing to do is get into their resupply M3s and goons and get ready to mass resupply whatever they're hitting? That way they get to drop their bombs and feel good. No wait, that discourages them too because their damage is undone before they land.
Or perhaps instead of actually going after them, they should send a token number of aircraft to fly straight and level at their sixes so they get the chance to shoot them down and feel good about themselves without having to worry about getting shot down?
He indirectly admonished them for a successful bit of gameplay because it might discourage the other side. In a combat game. They weren't horde vulching a field for hours on end in this case, they responded to an inbound mission that had no escorts and stuffed it.
Some might call that "gameplay".
Wiley.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: bustr on October 24, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
In our strategic assessment we were pretty sure it was the DickWeeds. We chose to not fly 262 even though POTW has perks to burn as a group. We know what that really does to group initiatives and we save that kind of pain for other situations and individuals. We chose to fly prop planes to intercept locked together B17's flown by experienced vets.
Moly and 1stpar3 are part of the reason this game is turning into an SJW nightmare. Not the DickWeeds or POTW since both squads on our squad nights pick fights and fight all comers like both squads have done since AH1. We just pick a field and break it's toys and boys until it starts a fight or we capture that field. It's the MA not the DA and after almost 20 years our squad is very good at being a squadron.
Why don't you wish for a "Baby on Board" sign for new comers along with invincibility mode so they don't get their feelings hurt....
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: DubiousKB on October 24, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
Why don't you wish for a "Baby on Board" sign for new comers along with invincibility mode so they don't get their feelings hurt....
...so...Bustr has joined the SJW Warrior Club...?
There's no need for this kind of disdainful, caustic treatment. Both of those guys were respectful in the way they raised their issues. Making fun of them like this is its own nightmare.
- oldman
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 24, 2018, 03:35:55 PM
Again. What precisely should the defenders have done? "Oh, there's a big ball of bombers headed into our airspace. We should ignore them because we wouldn't want to make them sad." Or perhaps the thing to do is get into their resupply M3s and goons and get ready to mass resupply whatever they're hitting? That way they get to drop their bombs and feel good. No wait, that discourages them too because their damage is undone before they land.
Or perhaps instead of actually going after them, they should send a token number of aircraft to fly straight and level at their sixes so they get the chance to shoot them down and feel good about themselves without having to worry about getting shot down?
He indirectly admonished them for a successful bit of gameplay because it might discourage the other side. In a combat game. They weren't horde vulching a field for hours on end in this case, they responded to an inbound mission that had no escorts and stuffed it.
Some might call that "gameplay".
Wiley.
Wiley,if you cant grasp it..not sure I can explain it so you can. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO WAY...to determine WHO was in the bombers, BEFORE one went BOOM. I didnt take his post...OR THE PIG"S post as anything but what it was....A SALUTE to a good time..and AN HOPE this wasnt some NEW GUYS who got slaughtered by one of the better squads in the game. Nothing more Nothing less. To Os's/Molys post..I had no problem personally or in any other way with his HOPING it wasnt Baby SEAL CLUBBING as....stated in my post..those HOGS were ROOTING and tearing watermelon up all evening! It was just an observation from another view point. I didnt read it as an admonishment at all. It could have been? Thats why I prefaced my thinking before hand...he very well COULD have been..especially if a few of his sorties had met the same fate. :O PRETTY sure it did...heard "That DAM RAZOR in his Mossy" more than twice :rofl I am not in Molys head, I dont know what direction he intended, then again I read EVERYTHING before I comment. I saw this going to the same place other discussions here do..someone takes it personally and it devolves into a petty fuss.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: bustr on October 24, 2018, 03:40:51 PM
Trying to pull a CBF here it appears oldman. Whenever I see a baby on board sign I have a moment of wanting to drive my Ram 1500 where it shouldn't. I've met a lot of citizens with that same sentiment over the last 30 years the signs have been popular. Somehow SJW things like that sign seem to be self anointment's to making the poster of it and their supporters more special than everyone else taking the exact same risks with their lives or in this case their money and time.
So oldman you gonna start selling "Baby on Board" signs for our resident SJW fans? When we take off into the unfriendly sky's of the MA, we all take the same risks. Or do you and others have a platinum account with HTC only the special people know about? Do they also have a hidden shadow forum like bluberry used to invite all the special people to back in the bad old days when the muppets tried to take the forums away from Hitech with a mob? Now that was some real SJW silliness where it ultimately goes out of control when it's not confronted and allowed to metastasize. But back then the muppets and company were fire breathers about their silliness while today like this post it's all virtue signalling while trying to get in a drive by zinger.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 24, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
In our strategic assessment we were pretty sure it was the DickWeeds. We chose to not fly 262 even though POTW has perks to burn as a group. We know what that really does to group initiatives and we save that kind of pain for other situations and individuals. We chose to fly prop planes to intercept locked together B17's flown by experienced vets.
Moly and 1stpar3 are part of the reason this game is turning into an SJW nightmare. Not the DickWeeds or POTW since both squads on our squad nights pick fights and fight all comers like both squads have done since AH1. We just pick a field and break it's toys and boys until it starts a fight or we capture that field. It's the MA not the DA and after almost 20 years our squad is very good at being a squadron.
Why don't you wish for a "Baby on Board" sign for new comers along with invincibility mode so they don't get their feelings hurt....
Did you read my post? I have NO IDEA what an "SJW Nightmare" is? I was IN NO WAY dissing any squad or Game play style..if you took it that way, I am unaware of a better way to describe it so that you can grasp mypoint. The point I was getting at...well to be honest you proved my point. FOLK take stuff way TOO PERSONAL and start sniping and condescending while pounding their chests. If you honestly believe that I am a problem in this game...never mind. Its not worth my time while that chip is on your shoulder. I was attacking NO ONE
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: bustr on October 24, 2018, 04:29:51 PM
That's OK, no one made fun of it while the muppets pulled their stuff leading up to the mob trying to take over the forums. And it got out of hand becasue social justice too easily without being exposed as silly and self serving, will compound and feed more silliness and carry people away with that silliness. It's becasue some will cloak themselves with the silliness as a mantle of their self identity and worth. While others will use it to get away with abusing people in these forums. Becasue it can become a PC club to cudgel others about their manners to hide simply not liking them. I get that a lot from our resident self appointed cultural manners police..... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: JunkyII on October 24, 2018, 05:55:38 PM
This is my mindset playing all video games....if you don't, you're in the wrong hobby.
Witness me!!!
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: molybdenum on October 24, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
Again. What precisely should the defenders have done? Wiley.
Why can't you get it? It's really simple. I thought I'd spelled it out.
1) The defenders did exactly as they ought to have done. 2) The buffs did as well as they could given the circumstances (but got slaughtered). 3) This was probably a lot more fun for the clubbers than the clubbees. 4) This will tend to discourage the clubbees from repeating said experience, which the clubbers so enjoyed. 5) I'd appreciate input from any of the clubbees as to how much they enjoyed it. I wouldn't have; but I'm not them, hence my invitation for their point of view.
Got it now?
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: TBlayde on October 24, 2018, 10:02:07 PM
There's no need for this kind of disdainful, caustic treatment. Both of those guys were respectful in the way they raised their issues. Making fun of them like this is its own nightmare.
- oldman
Ok, this is getting old really fast.
It's clear Moly is saying in not so many words: "Sure it's fun for you but what about the victims?". The bomber pilots knew the risk and it's the nature of this game. Further, if Moly wasn't there then he really has no business commenting in favor of the losing side. If he wants to even the scales then there's nothing from stopping him from upping a fighter to escort the poor hapless bomber pilots.
He can be the change he wants to see in the game, but we have every right to call him out for sticking his nose in the AAR of an encounter he was neither a witness or participant. Let the Bomber pilots speak for themselves if they feel offended. If they don't like getting shot down then why pay 14.95 for the game that allows it?
After a while it gets obvious where these posts get their inspiration. Most of us are older folks tired of the SJW BS creeping into every aspect of our lives where it doesn't belong. SJW activity destroys everything it touches and it needs to be called out and culled with prejudice every time it raises its ugly fascist head.
I can imagine the request to Skuzzy to shutdown the game or ban successful players : "Yea, we got shot down and we think that's not fair to the team that's really trying hard so you need to ban those guys so we don't have to encounter any opposition." With the following qualifications from Moly and his 'ilk': "I think in my head without consulting any expert advice on player demographics besides my self-taught knowledge and some expensive self-help books. My Ashram master says that this would be the fairest method of operation for people I have never discussed the issue or flown with. "
Seriously, Moly, you had no place making the comment you did. It's out of context of the combat sim and not in touch with the reality of the entertainment all players PAY FOR.
Oldman, he had it coming please don't defend his kind of thinking.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Nathan60 on October 24, 2018, 10:18:35 PM
Why can't you get it? It's really simple. I thought I'd spelled it out.
1) The defenders did exactly as they ought to have done. 2) The buffs did as well as they could given the circumstances (but got slaughtered).
They created their circumstances. That's the great thing about this game, is you and your opponents create the circumstance when you engage. They could've taken off from further back and climbed higher to get more defense from the cloak of boredom. They could've (maybe should've) had more escorts. Instead they chose to come in at lower alt to interact more with the enemy.
Wiley.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: Shuffler on October 25, 2018, 12:54:05 PM
One side or the other usually gets wiped out. The fun is in the experince.
Now yall go clean your rooms and I'll let yall fly later.
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: DubiousKB on October 25, 2018, 01:10:53 PM
Put it this way, i'd have taken either side on that run, if the buffs want to let me know when they're upping, i'd up with them!
Both sides got lots of action and like stated above, there was NO sure kill on THAT formation. 20min of great fun for this subscriber. :cheers:
Title: Re: awesome fight with b17's
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 26, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
If you don't have escort fighters that's your own damn fault.
If you quit the game because you got pounced on, than you shouldnt be playing this game or any other online game for that matter.