I don't understand the criticism. People always criticize when they don't agree, kind of like democrat's.
I wasnt criticizing anything just saying it would be a battle of blackouts. Did you read the part about me taking a mig.....
Long ago I flew Korean war planes and IIRC you were constantly fighting blackouts unless you bled off so much speed you couldnt pull the require Gload to blackout.
I prefer the guns on the mig!
:salute
Edit,I would take an F9 if I was flying Allied.
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Arlo on October 27, 2018, 07:26:09 AM
Panthers away! AW offered the KA in RR, mostly. Had a dedicated crew there. I (and others) pushed for a full realism arena prior to the Yalu scenario (thinking Kesmai would open a second one). They just changed the settings on the RR arena. It was total mayhem. Yes, the regulars were blacking out all the time and they were plenty mad about it. I've always regretted that unfortunate occurrence (though I wondered why none of them seemed able to either adjust their stick yanking or reduce throttle).
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Rebel28 on October 27, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
The days of playing Mig Alley by Rowan it was a great game fun to play. Just sorry can't get it to run on Windows 10.
Bring on Korea I'm up for the F-86 have some time in it on DCS.
Morfiend is correct a lot of turn and burn in the gray to black zone.... :joystick:
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Vraciu on October 27, 2018, 01:59:04 PM
One of my favorite films. He has the 09 wrong--it's too big.
"The WORLD FAMOUS Golden Dragons" is what they became after the movie. :)
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: ONTOS on October 27, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
My apologies to Morfiend, I did not mean to insult. I just misunderstood your meaning. Please forgive. :salute
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: 1ijac on October 27, 2018, 06:01:20 PM
My squad flew the Korean arena in AW most of the time. The nice thing about it that there was no grabbing for altitude. We flew the migs mostly. It was a great arena.
One-eye
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: morfiend on October 28, 2018, 07:07:46 PM
I like this idea. We have early jets now in AHIII. Mustangs, Corsairs and other props were used (Bearcats?) in Korea.
Also the DCS jet jocks may also be interested. That alone could increase the subscriptions. And that could get some of them into AH's WWII arenas.
A list of what is already modeled in AHIII that would be historically accurate for a Korean Conflict arena:
B-29 C-47 P-51 F4U-4 TU-2 M4A3 M18 T34 Jeep
Models in game that could be modified but are essentially accurate shapes:
Yak-9 LA-9 LA-11 IL-10
The addition of the F-86 and MiG-15 and the 4 performance mods of the above airframes would make this a playable KC plane set with room for addition of U.S. Navy Panthers and catapults on CVs in the Sea of Japan (if the mere option of land based Panthers isn't enough). Generic MA maps would work in a KC MA.
This would be a project that is already 2/3 complete yet a major addition to the game with potential draw. :)
*And yes, more planes could be added over time if it's a hit.
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Zoney on October 29, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
I'd love to fly in the Korean Arena. I flew in the AirWarrior Korean arena a lot. But frankly, it was mostly a ghost town. I think this will be a lot of work for an exciting couple of weeks...…...and then nothing.
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: guncrasher on October 29, 2018, 09:30:46 PM
I'd love to fly in the Korean Arena. I flew in the AirWarrior Korean arena a lot. But frankly, it was mostly a ghost town. I think this will be a lot of work for an exciting couple of weeks...…...and then nothing.
yup remember the ww1 arena. was fun for a month or 2.
semp
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Arlo on October 29, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
False equivalency. There's already more to work with than the WWI arena offers and KC jet combat is vastly different than early bipe yank n bank pew pew. It would start out as something more than the AW Korea arena.
Right now, just two models, the Saber and the MiG, would be all it would take to set up a 15 plane/vehicle set (if the LAs and Yaks are left, as is) to test the 'waste of time' theory. Everyone in the wishlist forum claims something is needed to shake things up, brush off the stale and possibly stoke interest.
That's less work than the entire WWI arena. ;)
The worst that would come of it would be closure of the KC MA with two post WWII jets being available for post-WWII events.
Seems a practical investment, compared to a lot of other wishes. :)
Title: MiG Skins
Post by: Arlo on October 29, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Puma44 on October 30, 2018, 12:54:30 PM
:airplane: THAT, would be fun to do! :salute
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Volron on October 30, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
At the VERY least, more types of FSO and Scenario's would open up. That being said, I'd love to have the aircraft for an early North Africa (UK vs Italy) and Winter War type FSO/Scenario.
Either way is a win. And not gonna lie, I'd be flying a Panther right away. :aok
Title: KWA interesting plane list
Post by: Arlo on October 30, 2018, 01:31:49 PM
And if the 2 KWC jets (Saber and MiG) prove to be interesting enough to provide more than a two week amusement it would be an arena with a lot of development potential on top of being a home for a lot of models already in existence. Granted, the Saber and MiG would be the two top gorillas (possibly perked?). In an MA style arena, there's all sorts of match-ups that make the larger number of U.N. jets less lop-sided.
Here are some of the more interesting possibilities (IMO):
A twin-cockpit design based on the redoubtable F-51 Mustang, the F-28 was used extensively as an air defense fighter and additionally in a ground attack role. From 1950 to 1952, Twin Mustangs shot down 16 enemy aircraft and destroyed four more on the ground. Despite their success, they were replaced and withdrawn from service in the summer of 1952.
Initially put into production in 1945, the Sea Fury saw service throughout the Korean War. On August 8th, 1952, a Sea Fury launched from the HMS Ocean became one of the few propeller driven aircraft to shoot down a jet fighter in combat.
The first F-84s arrived in Korea in 1950, with the initial mission of escorting the B-29 bomber on missions into enemy territory. Ultimately, it proved too slow to keep up with enemy fighters. But the F-84 carved out a niche for itself as an effective ground attack aircraft. Its most noteworthy mission was an attack on a series of dams in North Korea. The resulting flood extensively damaged critical enemy infrastructure and hampered the Communist war effort.
As the Korean War progressed, all parties involved saw the need for an effective ground attack aircraft. For the US Navy and Marine Corps, they found it in the Grumman F9F Panther. Developed in the 1940s and serving through the end of the 1950s, the F9F proved to be a powerful tool for supplying close air support. Armed with four 20mm cannons and an assortment of air-to-ground munitions, the nimble fighter could deliver its payload wherever it was needed. Given that the F9F was Grumman’s first foray into the world of fighter jets, the Panther’s achievements are especially admirable.
The first jet fighter used by the US Air Force in combat, the P-80 Shooting Star was a milestone in aviation history. The Shooting Star was also subject to one of the fastest development processes in history. The aircraft only took 143 days from the start of the design process till the first flying aircraft. Ultimately, the arrival of the P-80 Shooting Star did a great deal to turn the tide of aerial warfare in the favor of the US and its allies during the Korean War.
The Douglas A-26 Invader was a powerful tool in suppressing ground forces and destroying critical enemy infrastructure. A unit of Invaders based in Japan was among the first US air power components to enter the war. Their record over the next two years is still impressive. With over 15,000 stories flown, roughly half of them at night, the US Air Force only lost 85 A-26 Invaders to enemy action. Able to carry up to three tons of bombs, the A-26 was the prefect bomber for the mission.
Performed heavy lift cargo operations to and from Korea. On 27 September 1951, a C-124A began FEAF-hosted service tests labeled Operation PELICAN. In a little over one month, the aircraft flew 26 missions between Japan and Korea, carrying an average load of 34,000 pounds, double the amount carried on the C-54.
During the Korean War, AD Skyraiders were flown only by the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps, and were normally painted in dark navy blue. It was called the "Blue Plane" by enemy troops.[13] Marine Corps Skyraiders suffered heavy losses when used in low-level close-support missions. To allow low-level operations to continue without unacceptable losses, a package of additional armor was fitted, consisting of 0.25–0.5 inches (6.4–12.7 mm) thick external aluminum armor plates fitted to the underside and sides of the aircraft's fuselage. The armor package weighed a total of 618 pounds (280 kg) and had little effect on performance or handling.[14] A total of 128 Navy and Marine AD Skyraiders were lost in the Korean War – 101 in combat and 27 to operational causes.
When the WWII plane set is filled. Spreading HT too thin is not a good idea.
What is your definition of 'filled?' I've asked for a few models that would go far to make events more interesting for some time. There's not a lot of support behind that.
2 jets. The Sabre and the MiG. That would add an entirely new dimension to AH. How thin do you really think it would spread HT?
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Arlo on November 04, 2018, 12:07:59 PM
Nuther ....
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Shuffler on November 05, 2018, 05:01:50 AM
What is your definition of 'filled?' I've asked for a few models that would go far to make events more interesting for some time. There's not a lot of support behind that.
2 jets. The Sabre and the MiG. That would add an entirely new dimension to AH. How thin do you really think it would spread HT?
Filling models for events would be great.
WWI was asked for many times. Time was taken away from the task at hand to make a WWI arena. Crickets inhabit it sometimes.
Just seems such a waste.
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Arlo on November 05, 2018, 07:49:52 AM
WWI was asked for many times. Time was taken away from the task at hand to make a WWI arena. Crickets inhabit it sometimes.
Just seems such a waste.
Apples and cucumbers. There's more than one WWI sim out there with more toys in them. Korean War? Not so much. DCS isn't a persistent arena from what I was able to find out online. IL2 .... well ..... it isn't, either.
2 jets .... there's lots of prop stuff already in game to supplement. 2 models allows for a relatively decent test of interest (with marketing). I've seen tons of individual WWII wishes that would stretch HT much thinner.
Of course, there's also the SCW. :D
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Shuffler on November 05, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Apples and cucumbers. There's more than one WWI sim out there with more toys in them. Korean War? Not so much. DCS isn't a persistent arena from what I was able to find out online. IL2 .... well ..... it isn't, either.
2 jets .... there's lots of prop stuff already in game to supplement. 2 models allows for a relatively decent test of interest (with marketing). I've seen tons of individual WWII wishes that would stretch HT much thinner.
Of course, there's also the SCW. :D
Who knows.... I have seen quite a few folks ask about it.
I was just posting my opinion. We all have them. :D
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Arlo on November 05, 2018, 11:48:03 AM
Who knows.... I have seen quite a few folks ask about it.
I was just posting my opinion. We all have them. :D
'Course we do, Shuf. The wish list is exactly what it is advertised to be. Wishes can be extravagant or simple. Practical or impractical. We all know that HT's opinion is the final factor and I don't pretend to have more sway than anyone else (or any, at all).
I was excited to see the BB modeled and hoped it might spark some interest in players that like sea action.
Same could be said for the Sherman, hoping to see more ground events like the Battle of the Bulge.
Both came and went.
I think everyone's looking for a gimmick to bring in more players or inflate interest in the existing community. AH3, IMO (and I suspect some others), is still a great game, as is. It has grown, over the years, at, what I consider to be, a rather amazing rate. So much so that some players complain that there hasn't been a new model of plane added since the huge task of upgrading the graphics was completed (a difficult task, at best, with such a small but talented staff). (I was on the other side of the 'what the game needs and what will draw more players is upgraded graphics' argument, btw.)
So, I've gone back to my pre-graphic update dream mode .... but in small bite-sized (manageable) pieces.
2 jets basically give the AH community a window to expand into the Korean War (a venue with little competition, online but, admittedly, appeal to only historical air combat fans). Maybe WT has Sabres and MiGs but it is more of an arcade mix-mash chaotic kid's game (IMO).
In another direction, adding the I-15, the CR.32 and the HE-51 would open a window for expansion into the Spanish Civil War and uber-bipe dogfighting at the cost of three models. Again, the potential interest of both the existing community and potential new players comes into play with both marketing and the eventual possible need of even more models of that theater/era (bombers, tanks, terrain) needed to be added in a timely manner to maintain the interest (something that never blossomed in the WWI arena). That would take more follow-up than the KWA, which already has a lot of pre-existing toys.
Sea warfare in AH3 has never been truly promoted or marketed, nor can it effectively do so without a lot of ship modeling. The game doesn't offer many terrains for the MA that are basically backdrops for ship on ship strategy battles and without featuring another 7 ship models, at least- Yamato BB, Bismark BC, Shinano CV, King George BB, Tone HC, Fubuki DD, British L class DD. That and working torps on the DDs. Now that is a lot of work with a lot of risk.
So, yeah. We all have opinions and we all have dreams. And we all have opinions on other player's opinions and dreams.
Personally, I also would like to see a few more WWII planes modeled ... but AH3's WWII plane set is anything but anorexic and modeling everything that flew and fired at enemy planes (or dropped troops or flew reconnaissance) has become impractical.
In my humble and limited opinion, jets will bring in more players, if done properly (though I'm still drawing the line at ATA missles - guns on, baby). Just test the waters with the 2 most popular KW models. If I win the lotto, I'll pay for this experiment, myself. Hell, I'd sponsor a go-fund-me. :D
(In a wildly successful and perfect AH world, it would model air, ground and sea combat from 1914-1953 in six, or so, (full) arenas.) :old:
Title: Re: Puma's posts ... KWA
Post by: Shuffler on November 05, 2018, 12:14:45 PM