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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hajo on January 03, 2019, 06:09:32 PM
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I've been out of game for quite awhile. Played WWII Sims for quite awhile. Seems to me there is no where to go for people who enjoy the history of WWII combat. HTC has to do what he thinks is best for his company. It's a different generation of participants today. We old history nuts are very few. I like taking off, raising the gear etc. That appears to be a thing of the past here. What happens to Luftwaffe Squads? For any Squads for that matter that preferred to emulate the squadrons of WWII? Events have dwindled down to a few loyal participants. A shame. Looks like time has passed for us "Old Coots". Being dropped into the air I guess is fine for the younger generation. I preferred taking off with an objective. That seems to be gone also.
I do not miss the game as it stands now. I will not even consider playing the new arcade game. Not enough people interested in Events (scenarios etc.) This reminds me why software development companies quit designing new boxed Sims such as European Air War, Jane's, Aces of the Pacific etc. To much money for development and little if any return. The end of combat flight sims of the "old genre,' the ones with any hint of having some realism and based on history is apparent. We are Dinosaurs, we are dwindling in number. This genre has changed drastically, and not for the better for us older experienced participants. We have been forced out. Outmoded thinking on our part I guess.
HTC I do appreciate your work. In the beginning Aces High was the best. Unfortunately as time passes, so does society change. Whatever is "en vogue" is where the money is to be made I guess.
Good Luck with the new game. I'm out, as I'm not missing what we had, (low numbers, no scenarios of any consequence, etc.) and I won't consider at all an Arcade style, the war of the pacific game. And yes........I'm to be considered an old time flight sim snob! :rofl
Have a Happy New Year all! And as always, do what is fun for you. Don't let anyone tell you how to play the game.
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Like you I am from the old school of flight Sims.............
More and more of my playing time is going to IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad, on the FR multiplayer servers.
CAV
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I've been out of game for quite awhile. Played WWII Sims for quite awhile. Seems to me there is no where to go for people who enjoy the history of WWII combat. HTC has to do what he thinks is best for his company. It's a different generation of participants today. We old history nuts are very few. I like taking off, raising the gear etc. That appears to be a thing of the past here. What happens to Luftwaffe Squads? For any Squads for that matter that preferred to emulate the squadrons of WWII? Events have dwindled down to a few loyal participants. A shame. Looks like time has passed for us "Old Coots". Being dropped into the air I guess is fine for the younger generation. I preferred taking off with an objective. That seems to be gone also.
I do not miss the game as it stands now. I will not even consider playing the new arcade game. Not enough people interested in Events (scenarios etc.) This reminds me why software development companies quit designing new boxed Sims such as European Air War, Jane's, Aces of the Pacific etc. To much money for development and little if any return. The end of combat flight sims of the "old genre,' the ones with any hint of having some realism and based on history is apparent. We are Dinosaurs, we are dwindling in number. This genre has changed drastically, and not for the better for us older experienced participants. We have been forced out. Outmoded thinking on our part I guess.
HTC I do appreciate your work. In the beginning Aces High was the best. Unfortunately as time passes, so does society change. Whatever is "en vogue" is where the money is to be made I guess.
Good Luck with the new game. I'm out, as I'm not missing what we had, (low numbers, no scenarios of any consequence, etc.) and I won't consider at all an Arcade style, the war of the pacific game. And yes........I'm to be considered an old time flight sim snob! :rofl
Have a Happy New Year all! And as always, do what is fun for you. Don't let anyone tell you how to play the game.
The funny thing is you have not been here and it shows.
Knowledge is your friend.
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When the number of historical or more historical events increases then people complain that they have no time to prepare and leave. When the number decreases then there are not enough events to justify the cost of the game and leave. When historical setting puts their side at an disadvantage they want conditions changed or they leave. When they can`t have the exact aircraft and model they want, they leave. When they have an enemy in front of them and see a hit, but the enemy does not explode then the guns don`t work because surely that was a 30mm hit and not MG and they leave. When they are out flown then the flight model is not correct. When the Allies start innovating and do not fly exactly like in WW2 so the Luftwaffe can`t use lessons learned in the war to change history they leave. When Luftwaffe can use their climb rate advantage and bounce on the enemy then the Allies leave. When something new that includes a competitive side comes out then everybody jumps on board because it is new and all feel like they have a chance but as the average level of participants increases more and more start leaving IMHO. So only thing that people need to understand is that people are different and sometimes you have to give some to receive some. Just play, have fun and give feedback.
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Two good ones coming up:
Target For Today, "Leyte 1944", running 12 hours on January 26.
P-47, P-38, F6F, B-25H, B-24 vs. Ki-84, N1K2, Ki-61, Ki-45/Bf110C, Ki-67 in the Philippines.
https://ahevents.net/index.php/events/target-for-today/current-or-next
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/mbneZcSnSaihMHI3hWzT2a5xCL4jTFmUz2-X8z7WNWM7LujBb0s6lJ5UgFtGL4aREx2W025gXNHfjsCmMv9yRwYBsL4MyAL8Xp2kCr1-ppbd0cpe9UA5VbIFboNRJBKie4fY02tP)
And Scenario "Nuisance Raids 1942", starting Feb 16, (writeup and registration to be posted soon).
Spit, Typhoon, Boston vs. 109, 190, Ju 88 in cross-Channel fights.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/v462CRq7EnmGVBii3IKMNvL91PnE8-Fa95HpKuVAW7pcMycIpBAOa72RoMUcHVF2iMUZLJfsWDGJ6Eiae2gdGQyn4rNKJXtwRf6cBg4ZxwW4lPzjjZg2SGo-U2te4a1pzDROLXqp)
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!
OBX is still a dork :devil
Happy New Year bud! :old:
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I've been out of game for quite awhile. Played WWII Sims for quite awhile. Seems to me there is no where to go for people who enjoy the history of WWII combat. HTC has to do what he thinks is best for his company. It's a different generation of participants today. We old history nuts are very few. I like taking off, raising the gear etc. That appears to be a thing of the past here. What happens to Luftwaffe Squads? For any Squads for that matter that preferred to emulate the squadrons of WWII? Events have dwindled down to a few loyal participants. A shame. Looks like time has passed for us "Old Coots". Being dropped into the air I guess is fine for the younger generation. I preferred taking off with an objective. That seems to be gone also.
I do not miss the game as it stands now. I will not even consider playing the new arcade game. Not enough people interested in Events (scenarios etc.) This reminds me why software development companies quit designing new boxed Sims such as European Air War, Jane's, Aces of the Pacific etc. To much money for development and little if any return. The end of combat flight sims of the "old genre,' the ones with any hint of having some realism and based on history is apparent. We are Dinosaurs, we are dwindling in number. This genre has changed drastically, and not for the better for us older experienced participants. We have been forced out. Outmoded thinking on our part I guess.
HTC I do appreciate your work. In the beginning Aces High was the best. Unfortunately as time passes, so does society change. Whatever is "en vogue" is where the money is to be made I guess.
Good Luck with the new game. I'm out, as I'm not missing what we had, (low numbers, no scenarios of any consequence, etc.) and I won't consider at all an Arcade style, the war of the pacific game. And yes........I'm to be considered an old time flight sim snob! :rofl
Have a Happy New Year all! And as always, do what is fun for you. Don't let anyone tell you how to play the game.
This is becoming a pattern for you. If I had a dime for every time someone who doesn't fly Special Events said "special events lack players"...man I'd be rich.
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Like you I am from the old school of flight Sims.............
More and more of my playing time is going to IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad, on the FR multiplayer servers.
CAV
I was off work for 2 weeks...I played AH quite a bit...I loved every minute of it....I never had to look for a fight...
Of the 4 or 5 days I played IL2...only 1 time did me and my squaddie ever find a real furball...1 time...the rest of the time I was picked from out of nowhere and never saw the contact and majority of my time was spent flying around enemy bases and attack points only to find nothing and crash into the ground out of frustration of no fights...I was on Wings of Liberty server
I'm so tired of hearing people on here cry because there isn't 400 people logged in....you know what...I have never NEVER seen more than 150 people logged into IL2 at one time...what am I missing...am I not playing in the middle of the night...is that when all these people play IL2???
I wish you crybags would just leave this forum instead of coming here and crying constantly
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If you enjoy the planning and recreation of historic events. Please come to the special events and FSO.
If you enjoy no icons, try out AvA.
We have everything you could want in here. From the long climbouts and quick fierce battles with one or two lives or keep upping in the MA.
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I was off work for 2 weeks...I played AH quite a bit...I loved every minute of it....I never had to look for a fight...
Of the 4 or 5 days I played IL2...only 1 time did me and my squaddie ever find a real furball...1 time...the rest of the time I was picked from out of nowhere and never saw the contact and majority of my time was spent flying around enemy bases and attack points only to find nothing and crash into the ground out of frustration of no fights...I was on Wings of Liberty server
I'm so tired of hearing people on here cry because there isn't 400 people logged in....you know what...I have never NEVER seen more than 150 people logged into IL2 at one time...what am I missing...am I not playing in the middle of the night...is that when all these people play IL2???
I wish you crybags would just leave this forum instead of coming here and crying constantly
I agree with you about seeing these post over and over again. It's ridiculous. I'm like you where I find great fights when I log in. If I feel the fight is small on my side, I switch sides to where I know I will find some red to shoot. Certain maps make for better fights, but I feel like most of the complaints about not finding enough action are illinformed. Only at like 2-9am est time is lower action, but that's when the entire US is asleep. People can easily rack up 25 kills a day If they actually learn the game. The biggest issue I have with most people is that they aren't willing to learn how to be better and they aren't willing to have pateince learning how to actually get kills. Most of the lack of action/people complaints are illfounded and probably have more to do with the players actual skill level.
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Gents I didn't log on to denigrate anyone or the game. The tools for great game play are in the game now. One can do anything they want. There are more toys in this game then any other WWII genre combat game. What I wished to point out is what has transpired since the games inception in my view to what, again in my view, the COMMUNITY has become. There is no right or wrong. Each individual plays as he/she wishes and should. What attracted me to this game were a number of things. Remember, this is almost twenty years ago. Graphics were great at that time. Those who participated in air warrior previously will admit that. Flight modeling was the best in the business and imho it still is. Many of you were not here when the game started. And that is sad. In those days fights were fun and there was less animosity then there is today. Let me drop some names from the beginning of Aces High. I'd say darn near 95% of you or more won't recognize these names. We became friends and oft times switched countries to wing with one another. Apar, Hangtime, Wilbuz, hblair, Lephturn and the early version of the 56th squadron was here including YUCCA and Ammo., and Nomde. Saw, Ram and I would go to a different arenas and wing together in LW aircraft and Apar when on, would come along also. Ripsnort and his crew. Vati, EDO, MrWulf, 1colo/CryzyHrs including Shamus, old squad mates of mine. <LT, <Lugs, Wheels, friends from AW were here. Citabria, Moss, M00T and the list goes on. The Arabian Nights the early version. We flew with them a lot, Curly and Nim.
The game itself has not changed. The tools are still here. What has passed me by is the gameplay. I'm not saying what is wrong or right. That depends on the participants. Brooke came along and brought scenarios with him. Yayyyyyyyyyy. We needed Scenarios. I'm just describing what I preferred. Again no wrong or right. Gameplay has changed because the community has turned over at least twice since I've been here. A lot of my old friends have left for various reasons. Scenarios were attended by many more participants then now. IMHO the history of WWII air combat was the driving force then. We were assigned tasks and we executed them. Scouting, escorting etc. It may have been boring for a frame but we followed our orders. We wished to win of course. But we did what we were assigned and often times assignments changed in the air. That was ok with us. A larger community at that time gave us good numbers in Scenario events. At that time I guess we were more patient then now. We all got shot down a lot when new, and learning the new flight model from AW to here was somewhat of a challenge but we all accepted it. We didn't leave the game, we persevered until we had some reasonable level of skill. Instant success and gratification weren't necessary then, at least to us. To those of you who are still participating you also persevered and learned, while many new just quit because it wasn't easy for them. There's one major difference between then and now. The proof is in the number of participants in the game now as to then. And why the game is going into an instant mode for quicker gratification. Some new participants will stay and learn and some won't. It won't be necessary for a new player to learn how to take off an aircraft.
These are the reasons, among a few more, why this old 69 year old kid decided to hang up the controllers and give them to his Grandson so he could use them in racing sims. Cars have been a hobby of mine for 54 years. I am in a group of guys my age, (that are left) that used to drag race at the track and up and down Market Street in the 60s. We meet often and during car shows we bring our cars and sit in a circle of "old onze" that cruised the streets in the mid 60s, and went to Quaker City Dragway to run our cars and watch guys like Grumpy Jenkins, The Ramchargers, Ronnie Sox, Dick Landy and many more race the quarter mile. We attend the Detroit Autorama together as a group. Two bus loads of us and have a great time sharing our memories together. And in the summer we hangout together again, just as we did over 50 years ago. So that is what I do now. You can maybe understand why some of old guys left the game. It just passed us by. There is no right and wrong. How you use the tools HTC has given us is up to the individual. Things change, in life and the longer you live you will understand. We've lost a couple of our friends from those days in the 60s and we miss them. Life happens at any age, and we realize we are getting older. Life changes and society changes. That at least is my reason for no longer playing. I do hope you will understand. I wish the best for all. Remember there is no right or wrong. I lost an entire summer due to some serious surgery that I had to go through. Fortunately I made it. So now maybe you'll have an inkling why I no longer participate. Life is short. Do what is fun for you at all times. Remember this "with age comes wisdom"..........unfortunately in my case that certainly is debatable. Since I'm no longer in game this is my last post on these boards. I will check in to see if any old friends post. What i think about the game is not important. It's what YOU think.
Have fun...........cya up.
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Gents I didn't log on to denigrate anyone or the game. The tools for great game play are in the game now. One can do anything they want. There are more toys in this game then any other WWII genre combat game. What I wished to point out is what has transpired since the games inception in my view to what, again in my view, the COMMUNITY has become. There is no right or wrong. Each individual plays as he/she wishes and should. What attracted me to this game were a number of things. Remember, this is almost twenty years ago. Graphics were great at that time. Those who participated in air warrior previously will admit that. Flight modeling was the best in the business and imho it still is. Many of you were not here when the game started. And that is sad. In those days fights were fun and there was less animosity then there is today. Let me drop some names from the beginning of Aces High. I'd say darn near 95% of you or more won't recognize these names. We became friends and oft times switched countries to wing with one another. Apar, Hangtime, Wilbuz, hblair, Lephturn and the early version of the 56th squadron was here including YUCCA and Ammo., and Nomde. Saw, Ram and I would go to a different arenas and wing together in LW aircraft and Apar when on, would come along also. Ripsnort and his crew. Vati, EDO, MrWulf, 1colo/CryzyHrs including Shamus, old squad mates of mine. <LT, <Lugs, Wheels, friends from AW were here. Citabria, Moss, M00T and the list goes on. The Arabian Nights the early version. We flew with them a lot, Curly and Nim.
The game itself has not changed. The tools are still here. What has passed me by is the gameplay. I'm not saying what is wrong or right. That depends on the participants. Brooke came along and brought scenarios with him. Yayyyyyyyyyy. We needed Scenarios. I'm just describing what I preferred. Again no wrong or right. Gameplay has changed because the community has turned over at least twice since I've been here. A lot of my old friends have left for various reasons. Scenarios were attended by many more participants then now. IMHO the history of WWII air combat was the driving force then. We were assigned tasks and we executed them. Scouting, escorting etc. It may have been boring for a frame but we followed our orders. We wished to win of course. But we did what we were assigned and often times assignments changed in the air. That was ok with us. A larger community at that time gave us good numbers in Scenario events. At that time I guess we were more patient then now. We all got shot down a lot when new, and learning the new flight model from AW to here was somewhat of a challenge but we all accepted it. We didn't leave the game, we persevered until we had some reasonable level of skill. Instant success and gratification weren't necessary then, at least to us. To those of you who are still participating you also persevered and learned, while many new just quit because it wasn't easy for them. There's one major difference between then and now. The proof is in the number of participants in the game now as to then. And why the game is going into an instant mode for quicker gratification. Some new participants will stay and learn and some won't. It won't be necessary for a new player to learn how to take off an aircraft.
These are the reasons, among a few more, why this old 69 year old kid decided to hang up the controllers and give them to his Grandson so he could use them in racing sims. Cars have been a hobby of mine for 54 years. I am in a group of guys my age, (that are left) that used to drag race at the track and up and down Market Street in the 60s. We meet often and during car shows we bring our cars and sit in a circle of "old onze" that cruised the streets in the mid 60s, and went to Quaker City Dragway to run our cars and watch guys like Grumpy Jenkins, The Ramchargers, Ronnie Sox, Dick Landy and many more race the quarter mile. We attend the Detroit Autorama together as a group. Two bus loads of us and have a great time sharing our memories together. And in the summer we hangout together again, just as we did over 50 years ago. So that is what I do now. You can maybe understand why some of old guys left the game. It just passed us by. There is no right and wrong. How you use the tools HTC has given us is up to the individual. Things change, in life and the longer you live you will understand. We've lost a couple of our friends from those days in the 60s and we miss them. Life happens at any age, and we realize we are getting older. Life changes and society changes. That at least is my reason for no longer playing. I do hope you will understand. I wish the best for all. Remember there is no right or wrong. I lost an entire summer due to some serious surgery that I had to go through. Fortunately I made it. So now maybe you'll have an inkling why I no longer participate. Life is short. Do what is fun for you at all times. Remember this "with age comes wisdom"..........unfortunately in my case that certainly is debatable. Since I'm no longer in game this is my last post on these boards. I will check in to see if any old friends post. What i think about the game is not important. It's what YOU think.
Have fun...........cya up.
Now this post is just too level headed. I may have to report if to the moderator for lack of baiting or antagonizement ..... yeah I just made that word up....
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Take care of yourself Wayne!
Those names you mentioned, reminded me of the first time I ever logged in to AH back around Sept/Oct of '99...
Nomde was the first one to notice that I had logged in, then NB, Lonz, HT and Pyro proceeded to tell/help me navigate from the tower walking across/over to the maproom then hangar...then for those that don't know, you actually had to taxi your way to the runway....if memory serves me right, I even think I recall the canopy being open on the P-51D before you got ready to take off....
~S~
TC
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Take care of yourself Wayne!
Those names you mentioned, reminded me of the first time I ever logged in to AH back around Sept/Oct of '99...
Nomde was the first one to notice that I had logged in, then NB, Lonz, HT and Pyro proceeded to tell/help me navigate from the tower walking across/over to the maproom then hangar...then for those that don't know, you actually had to taxi your way to the runway....if memory serves me right, I even think I recall the canopy being open on the P-51D before you got ready to take off....
~S~
TC
Johnny...good to see you. Was long ago and far away for the two of us in Air Warrior. It has been fun. Stay healthy and safe my good friend.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
OBX is still a dork :devil
Happy New Year bud! :old:
Same to you Maxieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! OBX will never change, lol.
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Johnny...good to see you. Was long ago and far away for the two of us in Air Warrior. It has been fun. Stay healthy and safe my good friend.
I was starting to think you were naming names from the AW COn there Hajo for a Second lol Cant forget about Rhiah, Crow, OLLImb and the list goes on
<S> Buddy
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You deleted my original post too which was in no way negative, but helpful and provided links to better improve puller's experience?
Makes complete sense, such wow.
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A lot more players from Europe then also. Yucca can substantiate this because he, I, and Wilbuz winged together a few times.
Saw from Belgium.
Ram from Spain
Wilbuz from Switzerland
Apar from the Netherlands and a captain in their Navy
Winged with Mitsu a lot also and he lives in Japan.
Taught me how uneducated we Americans are sometimes. They all spoke very good English.
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Where was StSanta from?
He cracked me up all the time; soon as he logged on, he would come on the common channel and start ribbing all the “Allied opportunists”.....had one great fight against him, me in a P-47D30 and him in a 109 at 25K.
Then wrongto came in his Spit and got me as I smoked StSanta’s engine.....lol
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Hajo!
You'll be back. And missed until then.
HONK!
Gooss
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Where was StSanta from?
He cracked me up all the time; soon as he logged on, he would come on the common channel and start ribbing all the “Allied opportunists”.....had one great fight against him, me in a P-47D30 and him in a 109 at 25K.
Then wrongto came in his Spit and got me as I smoked StSanta’s engine.....lol
StSanta and Ram are the same person. RAM was BBS name as I recall. Spain.
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Will miss you Hajo. Trust me you are not in the old group yet, now when you get to be my age you will know what old is and how precious time is.
Gents I didn't log on to denigrate anyone or the game. I will check in to see if any old friends post. What i think about the game is not important. It's what YOU think.
Have fun...........cya up.
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Take care Hajo... :salute
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I do not THINK about the game... I just play it. :D
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StSanta and Ram are the same person. RAM was BBS name as I recall. Spain.
Not sure about that. I had a few interactions with him about various topics and he always said he was from Denmark.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,68631.msg645035.html#msg645035
I was born in Denmark, moved to Sweden and grew up there and has now moved back to Denmark.
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Not sure about that. I had a few interactions with him about various topics and he always said he was from Denmark.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,68631.msg645035.html#msg645035
Could be my memory is shot at times.
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Could be my memory is shot at times.
old fart. Its probably why you think "Mopar" is so good. :devil