General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: viking73 on January 31, 2019, 10:59:38 AM
Title: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: viking73 on January 31, 2019, 10:59:38 AM
What would you have done if you were in the F-15? F-15 was more professional than the reckless Russian but still seems he got owned. Or just plain refused to stay engaged. But it put him in the sights of the Russian. If the Russian had stupidly just fired guns the F-15 pilot would be in a parachute. It's only a clip and not a video of the whole engagement. I hope the F-15 already knew he was there. Also noted that the SU-27's camo seemed much better. Practically disappeared.
Supposedly (if not fake) happened in 2017. A Russian Air Force Su-27P fighter jet (from 72nd Guards AvB according to articles) and a US F-15C of 493rd Fighter Squadron while it was patrolling over Baltic Sea.
It looks like the F-15 intercepted a Bear and the Su-27 gently persuaded the F-15 away.
No way to tell that here unfortunately.
The Eagle driver did what was expected. Don't make a bad day fatal unless absolutely necessary.
Also, if this was an actual intercept you can rest assured his wingman and possibly two other Eagles were in the “murderer’s spot” behind that Flanker.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 01, 2019, 01:34:58 AM
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: fd ski on February 01, 2019, 06:16:46 AM
those stunts, movies and articles are for internal russian consumption.
Russian citizen will accept lack of freedom, opportunity, control over his own life <enter here number of other things we take for granted > in return for perception of respect from other nations. It's a reminiscences of empire surfs looking for self respect.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Puma44 on February 01, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
What would you have done if you were in the F-15? F-15 was more professional than the reckless Russian but still seems he got owned. Or just plain refused to stay engaged. But it put him in the sights of the Russian. If the Russian had stupidly just fired guns the F-15 pilot would be in a parachute. It's only a clip and not a video of the whole engagement. I hope the F-15 already knew he was there. Also noted that the SU-27's camo seemed much better. Practically disappeared.
Supposedly (if not fake) happened in 2017. A Russian Air Force Su-27P fighter jet (from 72nd Guards AvB according to articles) and a US F-15C of 493rd Fighter Squadron while it was patrolling over Baltic Sea.
This is simply formation formation flying off of a third aircraft. There was no “engagement” involved.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: eagl on February 01, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Well, since I actually flew F-15s..
Looks to me like the F-15 was rejoining on the aircraft with the camera, and the SU-27 flew up in-between them forcing the F-15 to veer away. The SU-27 followed forcing it to what looks to me like 500-1000 ft separation.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: DaveBB on February 02, 2019, 07:50:23 AM
Looks to me like the F-15 was rejoining on the aircraft with the camera, and the SU-27 flew up in-between them forcing the F-15 to veer away. The SU-27 followed forcing it to what looks to me like 500-1000 ft separation.
Always good to get your input.
I did a bit searching, and it turns out the aircraft performing the photography was a Russian transport with VIPs onboard. Like you said, the Su-27 wanted the F-15 to maintain some separation to prevent any chance of a mid-air.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 02, 2019, 10:27:02 AM
I did a bit searching, and it turns out the aircraft performing the photography was a Russian transport with VIPs onboard. Like you said, the Su-27 wanted the F-15 to maintain some separation to prevent any chance of a mid-air.
You’re confusing a similar intercept by F-16s.
The Russians do this stuff all the time. It’s a nothingburger . The F-15 pilot acted appropriately.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Puma44 on February 02, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
I did a bit searching, and it turns out the aircraft performing the photography was a Russian transport with VIPs onboard. Like you said, the Su-27 wanted the F-15 to maintain some separation to prevent any chance of a mid-air.
In the video, the F-15 was flying a stable formation position with safe separation. When the SU-27 entered the view and maneuvered toward the F-15 there was potential for a mid air.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 02, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
In the video, the F-15 was flying a stable formation position with safe separation. When the SU-27 entered the view and maneuvered toward the F-15 there was potential for a mid air.
I agree with this.
Typical Russian nonsense. They are used to it.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: DaveBB on February 02, 2019, 11:52:54 AM
In the video, the F-15 was flying a stable formation position with safe separation. When the SU-27 entered the view and maneuvered toward the F-15 there was potential for a mid air.
The U.S. does not allow any foreign aircraft to escort AF1 because of a risk of mid-air. I'm not sure what VIPs were on this plane, but a mile separation would have been better.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 02, 2019, 01:10:13 PM
The U.S. does not allow any foreign aircraft to escort AF1 because of a risk of mid-air. I'm not sure what VIPs were on this plane, but a mile separation would have been better.
They’re flying without a transponder in our airspace. You’re not going to ID from a mile away.
The F-15 did what he was supposed to do. The Russian did not (per par).
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Puma44 on February 02, 2019, 02:22:59 PM
The U.S. does not allow any foreign aircraft to escort AF1 because of a risk of mid-air. I'm not sure what VIPs were on this plane, but a mile separation would have been better.
Why would a mile be better?
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: 1stpar3 on February 02, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
:O I didnt say anything :uhoh :devil V, where ya been? I know..."Busy". Good to see ya :rock
Hey bud. Was going though a Falcon 900 Initial. All done now so hopefully I will have some time to jump back in. Thanks for the hello. Good to see you, too, bruh.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 02, 2019, 04:42:39 PM
Less chance of a collision. Especially if they flew like you did.
You can be my wing man anytime. :rofl
:salute
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Toad on February 03, 2019, 03:04:40 PM
I can't comment on the way things are right now but I will say that if you had a Russian fighter within 10 miles of you back in the late 70s, there was a reasonably large chance of a mid-air.
They couldn't fly wing for toejam.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Oldman731 on February 03, 2019, 04:28:40 PM
I can't comment on the way things are right now but I will say that if you had a Russian fighter within 10 miles of you back in the late 70s, there was a reasonably large chance of a mid-air.
They couldn't fly wing for toejam.
:rofl
:aok
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Puma44 on February 03, 2019, 05:24:55 PM
I can't comment on the way things are right now but I will say that if you had a Russian fighter within 10 miles of you back in the late 70s, there was a reasonably large chance of a mid-air.
They couldn't fly wing for toejam.
That’s for sure. They were flying only a couple of hours a month. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s close to the same for them now.
Title: Re: SU-27 and F-15 near miss
Post by: Vraciu on February 03, 2019, 05:31:15 PM
They’re averaging 100-150 hours a year depending on the source. Others say only around a tenth of what American pilots fly which would be pretty dismal.