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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Puma44 on March 29, 2019, 05:49:04 PM
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Seen on the ramp this week.
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Love the descriptions :rofl
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Is it the effect from excessive diesel fumes that require all those reminders?
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Must be. It was also amazingly quiet when it taxied in.
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Must be. It was also amazingly quiet when it taxied in.
Thart's no diesel, thart's electric!
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I don't have the slightest idea what 100LL avgas is priced at now nor diesel for that matter, but I suppose it could be a money saver if you don't mind leaving a smoke trail.
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I don't have the slightest idea what 100LL avgas is priced at now nor diesel for that matter, but I suppose it could be a money saver if you don't mind leaving a smoke trail.
Around here, 100LL has been in the $5.50ish range, +/-.
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Must be. It was also amazingly quiet when it taxied in.
Stick a Detroit diesel in it :D
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Modern diesels don't really smoke that much, and as Puma noticed they're pretty quite too.
Unlike the Detroit Meatwad would like stuffed in there. Of course with a Detroit it would no longer be capable of flight, but it would be one heck of a hedge trimmer :rock
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Sik
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Plus you would hear it coming 10 miles away
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Modern diesels don't really smoke that much, and as Puma noticed they're pretty quite too.
Unlike the Detroit Meatwad would like stuffed in there. Of course with a Detroit it would no longer be capable of flight, but it would be one heck of a hedge trimmer :rock
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Yeah, at first it sounded almost like an electric. But, the first clue was the spiffy label on the nose.
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But what is it?? I see it has a rudder and a pilots seat and a diesel engine and a static port and all but I still can't tell what it is. Some kind of white winged thing with wheels and a propeller, I'm lost.
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Lots of people thought that the diesel was a coming thing, with the 100LL lawsuits and all. But the one you saw is probably the only one you'll see:
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/may/09/cessna-discontinues-turbo-skyhawk-jt-a
- oldman
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Around here, 100LL has been in the $5.50ish range, +/-.
Okay but are local FBO's keeping a fuel truck with diesel? Or would you have to call the local truck stop every time you land on a cross country journey?
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Reminds me of this one:
(https://www.southafrica.to/transport/Airlines/Kulula-flights/Photos/Kulula-flying-101.jpg)
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Pffft...... The Germans did this during WW2......
If it uses jet fuel no wonder it was quiet,it couldnt make up it's mind whether to knock or whine....... :devil
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Pffft...... The Germans did this during WW2......
If it uses jet fuel no wonder it was quiet,it couldnt make up it's mind whether to knock or whine....... :devil
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This one had an interesting hum to it. Most of the noise was from the prop.
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Okay but are local FBO's keeping a fuel truck with diesel? Or would you have to call the local truck stop every time you land on a cross country journey?
Yeah, it’s jet fuel powered.
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Yeah, it’s jet fuel powered.
WOW. JetB. now that's saving.
But then again $307,500 for a Skyhawk, I guess gas isn't really a factor. More technology and at least as much metal in the $75000 Lexus he drove to the airport.
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:rofl
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Yeah, it would be nice if it were possible to build a Cessna 150 with basic VFR instruments and an engine from the current millennium and sell it for the price of a brand new luxury car.
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Yeah, it would be nice if it were possible to build a Cessna 150 with basic VFR instruments and an engine from the current millennium and sell it for the price of a brand new luxury car.
Private flying was an affordable hobby for anyone with a half-decent job when I learned to fly in the 1960's.
Just for fun I priced out a new Lycoming O-320. A very basic pushrod air cooled 4 cylinder aircraft engine who's technology also dates to the 1960's. It's just shy of $74000.
The only thing I can think of, that's driven aviation totally out of the average guy's ability to play, is product liability insurance.
Any one else have a better answer?
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Private flying was an affordable hobby for anyone with a half-decent job when I learned to fly in the 1960's.
Just for fun I priced out a new Lycoming O-320. A very basic pushrod air cooled 4 cylinder aircraft engine who's technology also dates to the 1960's. It's just shy of $74000.
The only thing I can think of, that's driven aviation totally out of the average guy's ability to play, is product liability insurance.
Any one else have a better answer?
Yeah.
The insurance thing was significant. I've personally been involved with some aviation liability matters. But Congress did its job, and generally fixed that particular problem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aviation_Revitalization_Act
The present difficulty is due to (a) FAR Part 23 requirements (see https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/advocacy-briefs/understanding-part-23-rewrite), labor costs (every plane is essentially hand-built), and lack of demand (https://airfactsjournal.com/2017/09/general-aviation-trends-12-charts/).
It's a vicious circle. Lack of demand is spurred by this: Just getting your private pilot ticket will cost between $10k (what I paid, 2016-18, when 172s rented for $60/hr and fuel was $4.??/gallon), and whatever it is now. Not to mention the marital distress caused by the fact that keeping a plane hangered and airworthy will cost c. $10k/year - and that's if you don't fly it at all.
So we've got a bunch of old rich people who can afford to fly, and a general aviation fleet composed almost entirely of used planes 40+ years old. And now they have to comply with ADS-B, which will run a $25k upgrade.
Oy. It burns, it burns.
- oldman (As to the "old rich people": I proudly showed this video to my daughter - I have a small part in it, my old Saratoga has a big part - and she said "Dad, did you notice anything significant about what all those people looked like?" https://player.vimeo.com/video/65224587)
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If I still had my ticket, I'd still have my PT-19. I wouldn't put ADS-B in it.
I'd just stay out of airspace that required a transponder.
One of the best things about the grass strip airport I hangared it at was that it pre-dated the big, fancy control tower/radar approach airport just a few miles to the north. So there was a big pie shape cutout in the big airport Class C airspace that the little airspace nestled in. Didn't have to talk to tower, didn't have to say jackchit to anybody. Loved that place.
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Yeah.
The insurance thing was significant. I've personally been involved with some aviation liability matters. But Congress did its job, and generally fixed that particular problem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aviation_Revitalization_Act
The present difficulty is due to (a) FAR Part 23 requirements (see https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/advocacy-briefs/understanding-part-23-rewrite), labor costs (every plane is essentially hand-built), and lack of demand (https://airfactsjournal.com/2017/09/general-aviation-trends-12-charts/).
It's a vicious circle. Lack of demand is spurred by this: Just getting your private pilot ticket will cost between $10k (what I paid, 2016-18, when 172s rented for $60/hr and fuel was $4.??/gallon), and whatever it is now. Not to mention the marital distress caused by the fact that keeping a plane hangered and airworthy will cost c. $10k/year - and that's if you don't fly it at all.
So we've got a bunch of old rich people who can afford to fly, and a general aviation fleet composed almost entirely of used planes 40+ years old. And now they have to comply with ADS-B, which will run a $25k upgrade.
Oy. It burns, it burns.
- oldman (As to the "old rich people": I proudly showed this video to my daughter - I have a small part in it, my old Saratoga has a big part - and she said "Dad, did you notice anything significant about what all those people looked like?" https://player.vimeo.com/video/65224587)
Thank you for these comments.
Is it any wonder that a world-wide pilot shortage is upon us?
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Thank you for these comments.
Is it any wonder that a world-wide pilot shortage is upon us?
Not at all. It will be interesting to see how our congressional experts approach the problem when it starts affecting them directly.
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Not at all. It will be interesting to see how our congressional experts approach the problem when it starts affecting them directly.
Very bold of you using congressional and expert in the same sentence.
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Very bold of you using congressional and expert in the same sentence.
:rofl Yeah, what was I thinking?!