General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AAIK on April 02, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
Title: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: AAIK on April 02, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
The following list of youtubers is only meant as an example, due to the nature of them only being about tech/computers news/articles. The most effective approach/youtubers would be the sim/wargamer youtubers who probably have around 10k-20k subscribers and blanket them all with advertisment spots for low cost, simultaneously. The larger the subscription base exponentionally increases the cost to advertise/sponsor on those channels.
Linus Tech tips LGR UFD tech Louis Rossman Gamers Nexus JayTwoCents Gaming Historian Modern Vintage Gamer 8-bit guy techquickie Unbox Therapy RetroManCave Nostalgia Nerd Dave Lee Paul's Hardware Hardware Unboxed Tech YES City YongYea Gameranx Itsagundam Digital Foundry Good old gamer Game Sack Explaining Computers PhilsComputerLab RandomGamingHD Techmoan BeatEmUps IGN HardwareCanucks Gamer Meld RGT 85 RedGamingTech not an apple fan Virtual Reality Oasis AdoredTV Level1Techs der8auer Spawn Wave Boot sequence
If anyone else has a list of favourite/relevent youtubers please add to this list! :airplane:
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Shuffler on April 02, 2019, 10:37:51 PM
I have not seen an ad on YouTube in quite some time. Do they still run ads?
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: AAIK on April 03, 2019, 06:51:37 AM
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: AAIK on April 04, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
I did a preliminary scout of valid Simulator channels as well as VR channels since HT is probably looking to leverage that. Youtube channels go as follows:
Simulator Laobi X-CHECK Robin Takolander Sheriff's Sim Shack Reality Check VR Cas and Chary VR VoodooDE VR UploadVR RowdyGuy MRTV-Mixed Reality TV GamerMuscleVideos hihi12101
Not as many as I hoped, but maybe others can fill the list a bit?
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Vudu15 on April 05, 2019, 10:05:34 PM
I tried to do this a few years ago to no effect. I've been posting AH videos since 2009 here is a playlist of 103 different videos of just AH3 this isn't counting all my other videos from AH2 and AH1. I use Sony Vegas Platinum then made the change to Pro Edit so from a 100 dollar program to a 500 dollar program.
But the issue you've always had is that HTC doesn't seem to care much or have the ability to actually market their product.
Maybe they just disagree with your marketing ideas.
So when I asked a few years ago what I could do to help I was given an opportunity to make those annoying videos that open when you start the game each time, I asked what they wanted to see and was given a generic "uh under a minute video and cover the aspect given." I was asked if I wanted scripts after a couple videos I came up with weren't what they were looking for I said yes please and after a while I think close to a month of no scripts I just put things together I asked them to look at them and after a span of time waffle ended up doing the videos and I heard nothing from them anymore.
So i guess if no marketing is a marketing idea then sure I guess I'd disagree with them. If you have a product and don't market it or advertise it I'm not sure what the desired effect is.
Also who is they? Waffle and Hitech? yeah big marketing team...I just want the game to continue but it seems that this isn't a concern of the guys. But yeah it's my fault.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 05, 2019, 11:08:46 PM
They didn't use your intro videos so they don't do marketing?
Those two things aren't actually connected.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: icepac on April 05, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
Linustechtips is a hack and has near zero skill.
THIS is who we should support because they represent all that is awesome.
This one is fan made.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: AAIK on April 06, 2019, 09:14:12 AM
I tried to do this a few years ago to no effect. I've been posting AH videos since 2009 here is a playlist of 103 different videos of just AH3 this isn't counting all my other videos from AH2 and AH1. I use Sony Vegas Platinum then made the change to Pro Edit so from a 100 dollar program to a 500 dollar program. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7VvGQQXDHVCq8SC0cqbC4o07_38zjUS6 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7VvGQQXDHVCq8SC0cqbC4o07_38zjUS6)
You would need 10s of thousands of subscribers to be even worth sponsoring.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Vudu15 on April 06, 2019, 11:50:08 AM
You would need 10s of thousands of subscribers to be even worth sponsoring.
And the folks with the subscribers wont know how to play the game. The time to learn and be proficient wouldnt entice prospective youtubers to play notice phlydaily and devildoggamer did one video a peice and then nothing.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Vudu15 on April 06, 2019, 12:04:15 PM
No sir I would think the fact that they dont do any marketing would show they dont do any marketing. No ads that anyone has seen, no commercials. Even if you did draw new plauers they have to learn on thier own as you dont have dedicated tutorials or staff and so for folks who are younger the place they go is youtube and the only person who has videos on there for the most part is me. I link my discord where anyone can come in at anytime and ask questions or I can talk with them directly. You guys wait on someone to show up in the forums which most folks dont know or care to use and see if they ask for help.
So in terms of trying to generate new players with actively responding to questions and training folks through the use of videos and whatever the current sink or swim approach we have had for years I think the former works better. But if you dont advertise or market your game then single people here and there can only do so much.
To end even if you got 500 players tomorrow how do you keep them? You have no training no tutorials and no additions in content or gameplay. Getting players is great keeping them is a whole other matter that I think continues to be overlooked.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 06, 2019, 12:22:03 PM
No staff to help new players. :rofl
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: ACE on April 06, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
I tried to do this a few years ago to no effect. I've been posting AH videos since 2009 here is a playlist of 103 different videos of just AH3 this isn't counting all my other videos from AH2 and AH1. I use Sony Vegas Platinum then made the change to Pro Edit so from a 100 dollar program to a 500 dollar program.
But the issue you've always had is that HTC doesn't seem to care much or have the ability to actually market their product.
To end even if you got 500 players tomorrow how do you keep them? You have no training no tutorials and no additions in content or gameplay. Getting players is great keeping them is a whole other matter that I think continues to be overlooked.
I've watched a lot of your vids Vince. They are very good. You do a good job of explaining things and they are fun to watch.
Aces High has had a really interesting business model over the years. They are really the final keepers of an online MMPOG tradition that started 30 years ago with Air Warrior. There are other games that have pieces of that model, but Aces High is the last true example of that species. They are the pinnacle of that tradition. I don't think there will ever be a better one.
However, from the beginning, I don't think Aces High has ever had to rely on growing brand new players from scratch. Their business model was really luring over and converting an existing, experienced, already committed and trained flightsim community from other sims. Refugees from Air Warrior, Fighter Ace, Warbirds.
Sure there were some players who were new to flight sims and Aces High was their first experience, but the core of their clientele was really these veteran players who didn't need convincing, were familiar with the gameplay, had their expectations already formed by very similar games. They were ready-made, pre-packaged player-base that just needed to map their controllers and swap their accounts, and they were good to go.
But that low hanging fruit has faded away over the decades, and it is a lot harder to convince a new generation of gamer's who have totally different expectations of pace and action and have never heard of Air Warrior and may not even own a joystick. You can dismiss them, but their money is green. That is going to a lot more work than HTC has traditionally had to do. Well, maybe not "more" work, but different work. It is a different kind of effort to convince players to come over from another game that has a similar pace and model, to convincing players that have never flown a flight sim that they should start.
In the Battlefield world you had several Youtube influencers that had separate channels. Occasionally they would do cross-over vids where they would play together and each post a vid from their point of view and each provide one of those up "Click here to see the other guys vid" at the end. That creates a sort of cross-pollination type marketing to introduce each viewer-base to the other.
Maybe you could setup some collaborative gameplay sessions with someone like DevilDogGamer where you wing up and introduce him to stuff. Each could produce a vid of the action from their view with cross-links. In exchange, you could do another vid in a game he is familiar with and he can return the favor. Again with cross-links.
Maybe that could help both your channel and Aces High.
:salute, CptTrips
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Shuffler on April 06, 2019, 02:48:53 PM
No sir I would think the fact that they dont do any marketing would show they dont do any marketing. No ads that anyone has seen, no commercials. Even if you did draw new plauers they have to learn on thier own as you dont have dedicated tutorials or staff and so for folks who are younger the place they go is youtube and the only person who has videos on there for the most part is me. I link my discord where anyone can come in at anytime and ask questions or I can talk with them directly. You guys wait on someone to show up in the forums which most folks dont know or care to use and see if they ask for help.
So in terms of trying to generate new players with actively responding to questions and training folks through the use of videos and whatever the current sink or swim approach we have had for years I think the former works better. But if you dont advertise or market your game then single people here and there can only do so much.
To end even if you got 500 players tomorrow how do you keep them? You have no training no tutorials and no additions in content or gameplay. Getting players is great keeping them is a whole other matter that I think continues to be overlooked.
Got it! Today's young are not as smart as we were at that age.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: PanosGR on April 06, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
PhlyDaily. He has about 750K(!) subscribers and he is almost exclusive war thunder type of guy. He did though once only a single vid about Aces High and that's about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2AEuEsm6U
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: AAIK on April 06, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
PhlyDaily. He has about 750K(!) subscribers and he is almost exclusive war thunder type of guy. He did though once only a single vid about Aces High and that's about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2AEuEsm6U
He would probably cost too much to run an effective advertisment campaign on. I don't know why he only made one video though, maybe he was put off by something?
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: Vudu15 on April 07, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
I would laugh too if it wasn't so sad. Much like the sad state of the Trainer's Utility Forum we're both a part of, yet I never could make it to that vaunted position of trainer but I can do everything else around it. We both more or less want the same thing, to gain more players to make the game what it sorta used to be. But...the same reason the Utility forum died is the same reason the game is in the state it is along with numerous other environmental issues which are beyond control. Leadership. Leadership. No one was in control to delegate authority or jobs to players willing and waiting to do anything HTC and the Training corps could come up with, and so it died. Because we can sit in the room right here and come up with a fool proof plan that we know would work(just an example) and it wouldn't matter if HTC wouldn't do it or support us. A handful of times groups of players have stepped forward to update things about the game and then poof when it came time to actually direct and handle issues that arose during the doing of the task no one was in charge or something that was vital was someone else's job or HTC never got it sorted.
So laugh if you want to cause the joke's on all of us since the cat driving this thing never tells us anything.
P.S. I love this game, I don't dislike anyone. I still help anyone anytime. So don't take the above as some kind of me just bashing the game I want it to be the best it can and I always have.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 07, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
'No staff' is funny because there is staff. Volunteer staff.
I ask volunteers I don't order them.
The staff is smaller but so is the community.
The utility forum is still available for any volunteer who needs it.
Leadership. There are different ways to lead. If you think leadership is controlling people that's certainly one way.
If you think a plan to improve the game is foolproof, as an example, I bet Hitech would be all over it, unless it was more wishful thinking than foolproof plan.
One of the nice things about the early years, before all the continuous improvements, was the lack of bored veteran players. :devil
I know one way to fix that but I don't think it's really a good idea. :D
The bored players who need the game changed to have fun are mostly out of real ideas, all they can think of is controlling other people.
Just enjoy playing the game. Don't worry about saving it. :aok
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: ACE on April 07, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
'No staff' is funny because there is staff. Volunteer staff.
I ask volunteers I don't order them.
The staff is smaller but so is the community.
The utility forum is still available for any volunteer who needs it.
Leadership. There are different ways to lead. If you think leadership is controlling people that's certainly one way.
If you think a plan to improve the game is foolproof, as an example, I bet Hitech would be all over it, unless it was more wishful thinking than foolproof plan.
One of the nice things about the early years, before all the continuous improvements, was the lack of bored veteran players. :devil
I know one way to fix that but I don't think it's really a good idea. :D
The bored players who need the game changed to have fun are mostly out of real ideas, all they can think of is controlling other people.
Just enjoy playing the game. Don't worry about saving it. :aok
May not be able to enjoy it much longer at the rate it’s going.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 07, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
I would laugh too if it wasn't so sad. Much like the sad state of the Trainer's Utility Forum we're both a part of, yet I never could make it to that vaunted position of trainer but I can do everything else around it. We both more or less want the same thing, to gain more players to make the game what it sorta used to be. But...the same reason the Utility forum died is the same reason the game is in the state it is along with numerous other environmental issues which are beyond control. Leadership. Leadership. No one was in control to delegate authority or jobs to players willing and waiting to do anything HTC and the Training corps could come up with, and so it died. Because we can sit in the room right here and come up with a fool proof plan that we know would work(just an example) and it wouldn't matter if HTC wouldn't do it or support us. A handful of times groups of players have stepped forward to update things about the game and then poof when it came time to actually direct and handle issues that arose during the doing of the task no one was in charge or something that was vital was someone else's job or HTC never got it sorted.
So laugh if you want to cause the joke's on all of us since the cat driving this thing never tells us anything.
P.S. I love this game, I don't dislike anyone. I still help anyone anytime. So don't take the above as some kind of me just bashing the game I want it to be the best it can and I always have.
I agree, a few years ago they were talking of revamping the trainers pages and I volunteered with a few others to help rebuild the page. There was no leadership at all. One of the volunteers had just retired and had lots of free time and built a number of new pages and designed ways of making a ton of information easily accessible and hosted it on his own server giving all of us who were working on it access. The 'leaders" could never make a decision and so everyone just gave up on it.
We dont know what goes on at HTC. We dont know what they have in the works.... which may also be one of their main issues..... but the point is stciking to the status quo isnt going to keep things rolling any more. Changes need to be made, and the sooner the top dogs realize this and begin to make moves the better things will be.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 07, 2019, 09:38:34 PM
I agree, a few years ago they were talking of revamping the trainers pages and I volunteered with a few others to help rebuild the page. There was no leadership at all. One of the volunteers had just retired and had lots of free time and built a number of new pages and designed ways of making a ton of information easily accessible and hosted it on his own server giving all of us who were working on it access. The 'leaders" could never make a decision and so everyone just gave up on it.
We dont know what goes on at HTC. We dont know what they have in the works.... which may also be one of their main issues..... but the point is stciking to the status quo isnt going to keep things rolling any more. Changes need to be made, and the sooner the top dogs realize this and begin to make moves the better things will be.
Nonsense as usual. Rolex was leading that and he became too busy with real life. Everybody else waited for somebody else to do something. People like to strike a pose and admire themselves but it doesn't get anything done.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 07, 2019, 09:46:13 PM
Nonsense as usual. Rolex was leading that and he became too busy with real life. Everybody else waited for somebody else to do something. People like to strike a pose and admire themselves but it doesn't get anything done.
Then he should have turned it over to someone else. The point is there was no leadership and the rebuild never got off the ground. He couldnt decide what to do and then he bailed. What other definition would you use to say "no leadership". So no it wasnt "Nonsense as usual". You just cant accept FACT and must "spin" it.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 07, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
Then he should have turned it over to someone else. The point is there was no leadership and the rebuild never got off the ground. He couldnt decide what to do and then he bailed. What other definition would you use to say "no leadership". So no it wasnt "Nonsense as usual". You just cant accept FACT and must "spin" it.
Turned it over to whom? You mean ordered someone to do it? Do you imagine there were volunteers willing to step up?
You spout nonsense, literally.
It didn't get done because nobody really wanted to do it.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 07, 2019, 10:14:38 PM
Patches was willing to run with it. He had the time and the willingness and he had VOLUNTEERED to do it. I was there to put in the time to help him out. Spin it like you want, a little leadership would have made a whole new trainers site in months instead of sticking with the same old same old.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 07, 2019, 10:38:14 PM
Nobody stopped Patches. Nobody was prevented from stepping up.
Your point is that somebody else should have done something.
You did what? Put in the time to help him out? How did that work out for him?
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 08, 2019, 10:26:31 AM
ultimately there has to be a leader. When Rolex bailed there was no one to approve the new stuff, no one to who had access to the server, tho patches did ask for access, to upload and test the new stuff.
again, no leadership. spin it how you want we tried to help and were left hanging.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: ACE on April 08, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Sounds about right Fugi
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: bustr on April 08, 2019, 01:48:35 PM
FLS,
By any chance after Rolex moved on to deal with his life, were you in possession of all access rights to the server?
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 08, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
By any chance after Rolex moved on to deal with his life, were you in possession of all access rights to the server?
I think all the trainers technically had access. Patches was trying to help but there was no content from anybody to put on the pages. Fugi is slandering Rolex as indecisive and afraid of challenges when there's no reason to think any more work would have gotten done if Rolex had more time to spend overseeing it. It was three years of people talking about what somebody else should do.
I don't see what any of that has to do with advertising. HTC asked for an updated web site for AHIII and Kanth and I delivered it. We asked for help. Got nothing. I'm guessing the new complaint was too much leadership.
There are people who want to be trainers that lack awareness of why they aren't suitable. They feel entitled and stymied. They complain. It doesn't help.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: The Fugitive on April 08, 2019, 04:43:36 PM
I think all the trainers technically had access. Patches was trying to help but there was no content from anybody to put on the pages. Fugi is slandering Rolex as indecisive and afraid of challenges when there's no reason to think any more work would have gotten done if Rolex had more time to spend overseeing it. It was three years of people talking about what somebody else should do.
I don't see what any of that has to do with advertising. HTC asked for an updated web site for AHIII and Kanth and I delivered it. We asked for help. Got nothing. I'm guessing the new complaint was too much leadership.
There are people who want to be trainers that lack awareness of why they aren't suitable. They feel entitled and stymied. They complain. It doesn't help.
Im not trying to slander Rolex at all. He had other things to do and everyone understood that. No problem. Patches had pages and pages done up with art work from both me and Pervert and stored on his server. Decisions on content needed to be made by the trainers and nobody could/would stewp up to make them. The rest of us kept pushing for a long time and got no where.
You and Kanth most likely succeeded because YOU ARE A TRAINER and made those decisions. Im not slandering anyone, it just seems like a lot of things end up being left on the table while someone finally makes a decision.
Anyway, done is done, so Im done here.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 08, 2019, 05:34:34 PM
He couldnt decide what to do and then he bailed. What other definition would you use to say "no leadership". So no it wasnt "Nonsense as usual". You just cant accept FACT and must "spin" it.
You weren't trying to slander him? All righty then. Just another indecisive Navy fighter pilot failing to meet a challenge. :D
BTW Vudu15 was complaining about the site I made with Kanth and the AHIII opening screen videos. Not the previous attempt to update it that you referenced.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: bustr on April 09, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Thanks FLS.
Title: Re: An example of youtubers to sponsor.
Post by: FLS on April 09, 2019, 03:12:22 PM
Just to clarify access rights. I don't recall any of the trainers besides Rolex knowing how to do anything with the AH2 update site.
Kanth did the current AH3 site on a template from Skuzzy, I just did content.