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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AAIK on May 15, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
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HT, please do something: Youtubers should be sponsored by you and the name of the game should spread through the internet.
I don't want my hobby to die, even if its a slow one.
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It appears that flight controls for new players is the biggest issue for new players to stick around. Most players use a mouse. 3 solutions I really like are:
A. Putting a "training videos" link on the clipboard map so players can easily click and watch for approved videos that help them with the basics. There is a training tab in the forums, why not in the game where everyone sees?
B. Use Lazer's mouse and button layout as defualt. If Lazer can fly like that using a mouse. He's doing something right.
C. Basic Mouse/Keyboard default loading screens like many other games do to give players a full visualization of the controls. It helps!
Easy peasy!
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I just started playing this game a few years back after a 20 year break because my 14 year old son started playing War Thunder. I set my kid up an account here in AH3, bought him a joystick and throttle, showed him what was up and how to map his controllers and everything. He played off and on for a few weeks and then quit all together. Asked him what was up and he said it was a slow and boring game. He hated having to open the game and get his bearings on where the fight was at, launch a plane and climb out just to find some action then to get his bellybutton kicked in short order. He only get a couple of hours on his computer for games because of homework and such. He gets a much better return in action playing War Thunder than he does here given his time allowed. What baffles me also is he prefers playing with a mouse even though he has a joystick and throttle on his desk. AH3 is sort of an odd game because it only caters to a very slim sliver of the population who has the time to sit down at their computer for hours on end to enjoy "what it has to offer". AH3 is not "realistic" in my opinion, far from it. What it is though is very heavy in consequences. You could spend an hour climbing out to bomb a target and get decimated in a couple of minutes by a guy a fighter. I mainly GV and have only ever grabbed a Tiger 2 maybe three times. You would think you were about to have some real fun but no! It travels slow, the gun traverses slow, it reloads slow, and if you lose it to someone you are disappointed you lost that many perkies. This game is for people 40 years old or better that have lots of time on their hands and enjoy the heavy time investment with the heavy consequences. I have no clue as to where HT could invest in advertising to find a large pool of that demographic. Maybe retirement homes?? SilverSingles.com?? LOL This game is just not modeled for the general public.
Dougie
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This game requires patience. The ADD crowd cant understand this
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This game requires patience. The ADD crowd cant understand this
Right...they have never had to accept that reality. Too much INSTANT gratification available. They are just wired differently. Time and effort put in doesnt pay off..invest time and get your degree, just to be a Barista or Mc D's, counter worker. Why get married if you have plenty of FREE fish in the sea. No need for commitment, with bountiful instant gratification virtually everywhere :uhoh
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Right...they have never had to accept that reality. Too much INSTANT gratification available. They are just wired differently. Time and effort put in doesnt pay off..invest time and get your degree, just to be a Barista or Mc D's, counter worker. Why get married if you have plenty of FREE fish in the sea. No need for commitment, with bountiful instant gratification virtually everywhere :uhoh
But their money is green.
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But their money is green.
It is...but they dont see the $15 dollar investment as worth more than 1 1/2 Soy Latte. :rofl
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It is...but they dont see the $15 dollar investment as worth more than 1 1/2 Soy Latte. :rofl
Or two months of Netflix.
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Funny thing is you guys think those games are easy they got a learning curve just like here if you wanna be really good its gonna take alot of time and work because those games have vets just like we do. you spend so much time on this game doing climb out or RTB. when you spend 10 mins getting to a fight here in the other games the battle has started been fought and done in that amount of time and hit battle again. if you have 2 hours per day to play you can do 2-3 sorties and you could get 10 kills or maybe none and feel like you wasted the entire time you had.
i wish Hitech would fix the mouse controls so folks could be just as good with a mouse as you could a joystick and leave it up to the players on what to use.
also maybe a section on the map for air spawns say in the corner of a map have a setup like furball lake in the DA with airspawns. just to see how it works. i know we can create any arena we want but thats not the answer here the MA is the main play ground and thats where every one is so we need to try a few thing there and see if they work if not then it cant be that hard to go back.
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Or two months of Netflix.
Or <ERROR DIVIDE BY ZERO> months of brand X.
Wiley.
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Or <ERROR DIVIDE BY ZERO> months of brand X.
Wiley.
Was my comparison to Netflix less valid that 1stpar3's comparison to soy latte?
Do you not think people make relative economic comparisons, especially between two products with subscription models?
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This game requires patience. The ADD crowd cant understand this
Patience is irrelevant when the GUI is terrible and hinders new players.
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Here is the age demographic for Aces High:
One Star Means you enjoy the Game and play 2-3 times a week for a few hours but school and friends take up most of your time and your age is about 18-25.
Two Stars means you play 3-4 times a week you have a job and family learned about the achievements and 60% of your game play is to reach them and your age is about 26-36.
Three Stars means you have either a part time job or not working play the game 4-8 hours a day and still trying to hunt down the last achievements to reach 15,000 your kids are in their teens and your wife works full time and your age is about 37-50.
Four Stars means either you been playing for 5+ Years or you have no life and your game play is a 12+ hour Shift. You're also either divorced, retired, have a wife that works full time and no kids.
I think that about sums it up. LOL!!!!
Also do not let players discourage your from Vulching or Camping and area. If AH didn't want you to do it they would not have an Award for it. They also would not have an Award for you surviving a vulched base as well.
Don't hate the player for playing the game! :airplane:
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AH3 will never appeal to the average "gamer"... instead it caters to aviation/ww2 buffs and generally speaking that is a dwindling audience. Sadly fewer and fewer folks are into military history.
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Sadly I knew that the "little timmies" with ADD were going to kill us as the flight combat game industry started to cater to them. Eye candy and instant action. That's it. They don't give a ratcrap if the P-51B or the LA-5FN have their historical loadouts or any other damn thing. Just go blow s*** up. Look at War Thunder and all the freaking one-off-prototype 1946 what if s*** they have. They are knee deep in it. Their Seafire? I think its the Mk.XXVIII with 3 counter rotating props...maybe 2 built (if at all). Its insane. :(
Here is the idea of a low capability plane now (cuz its not jet powered):
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/408842472409470660/ pfft.
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Patience is irrelevant when the GUI is terrible and hinders new players.
you have experience. offer your services to hitech and design a new one.
semp
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Patience is irrelevant when the GUI is terrible and hinders new players.
I'm sorry but .... how is the GUI 'terrible', again?
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Sadly fewer and fewer folks are into military history.
Ah! More for me! (inside joke) :D
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One of my all time favourite AH BBS quotes:
The idea that no one likes to play games that are hard anymore reflects the real generation gap problem with AH: it's full of senile old men who are too busy yelling 'get off my lawn!' to see the world around them.
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One of my all time favourite AH BBS quotes:
mine is "sir what makes you think i said that. answer my guess would be scotch."
semp
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I'm sorry but .... how is the GUI 'terrible', again?
I think he is basically saying that to a new player who has never played before.. it would be extremely hard to figure out how to even take off near a fight. I know when I started in 07-08 at a young age it took me a full day before I found info online to even take off in a plane much less be close to action. It took a full week or so before I could even get a kill or land the plane lol.
There should be things right as you log in to direct you to certain things like flight controls, what’s this flashing base means, how to take off, where to take off. Etc.
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I think he is basically saying that to a new player who has never played before.. it would be extremely hard to figure out how to even take off near a fight. I know when I started in 07-08 at a young age it took me a full day before I found info online to even take off in a plane much less be close to action. It took a full week or so before I could even get a kill or land the plane lol.
There should be things right as you log in to direct you to certain things like flight controls, what’s this flashing base means, how to take off, where to take off. Etc.
Am I the only one seeing intro and help videos queuing up on the interface?
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Am I the only one seeing intro and help videos queuing up on the interface?
I haven’t seen anything like that. Soooooo bug maybe?
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Am I the only one seeing intro and help videos queuing up on the interface?
No. Not videos. In-game. Walk them through it while they're setting it up.
Wiley.
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I haven’t seen anything like that. Soooooo bug maybe?
In settings folder remove the file newuserno.cfg file.This will make you see what a new users sees.
At some point you checked don't show me any videos.
HITech
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In settings folder remove the file newuserno.cfg file.This will make you see what a new users sees.
At some point you checked don't show me any videos.
HITech
Roger that I may have at some point. I don’t remember it’s been a while since I seen it.
Edit: sorry didn’t see the reply a couple pages ago
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Is there a way to click on a list of available videos without resetting to the "new user" profile?
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Roger that I may have at some point. I don’t remember it’s been a while since I seen it.
What is your opinion on having a mouse optimization video? Like maybe ask Lazerr for what he uses cause he used mouse at one time I believe (still may) and was rather good with it. I saw where someone posted that you have around 3,000 people with only a mouse try aces high every month but leave after 30 mins. That maybe a bull crap stat but it’s just what I read so I wanted to pass it along to you. :salute
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic=390589.45;last_msg=5189435 (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic=390589.45;last_msg=5189435) See reply #51.
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I cant really comment because i quit for like 10 years before coming back recently, but i cant believe the game has collapsed this far, it was regularly 500-700 people playing when i left, crazy that when i join now sometimes Bish have ZERO players. Pretty much ALL the names currently playing were playing 10-20 years ago. Almost none are new. This is a BIG problem. Its both the company and the players that need to up their game.
When i first started, i got murdered loads of times by a old squad called VMF323. They got me to change countries, and fly with them to learn how to play. Very welcoming. These days most people just murder the newbies until they ALT F4, never to come back, we are all a bit guilty of that.
i fear its too late though. Shame.
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Imagine the cheap 262s with zero logged in. Well, if the other two sides were 69. Let me rephrase that.
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https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic=390589.45;last_msg=5189435 (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic=390589.45;last_msg=5189435) See reply #51.
Thank you!
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Imagine the cheap 262s with zero logged in. Well, if the other two sides were 69. Let me rephrase that.
i changed sides, upped a 190a8 and killed 3 lancs, 37.5perks :D
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i changed sides, upped a 190a8 and killed 3 lancs, 37.5perks :D
Good man. :)
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you have experience. offer your services to hitech and design a new one.
semp
Not my bag. There are coders that specifically only work on designing and coding interfaces.
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Not my bag. There are coders that specifically only work on designing and coding interfaces.
Which takes time and costs money. Kinda like, I dunno, the pressing need for a graphics update that superseded everything but happened, unfortunately, during a player population reduction. I'm sure the thought of diminishing returns crosses HT's mind whenever he now considers what forum members claim the game needs more than anything else and would take a significant effort on his small team's part (along with the teething process all major changes go through), now.
P.S. A Spanish Civil War plane set/arena/setting would cure everything! ;)
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You realize this discussion serves no purpose?
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You realize this discussion serves no purpose?
Is that the collective you or the you you? :)
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Here is the age demographic for Aces High:
One Star Means you enjoy the Game and play 2-3 times a week for a few hours but school and friends take up most of your time and your age is about 18-25.
Two Stars means you play 3-4 times a week you have a job and family learned about the achievements and 60% of your game play is to reach them and your age is about 26-36.
Three Stars means you have either a part time job or not working play the game 4-8 hours a day and still trying to hunt down the last achievements to reach 15,000 your kids are in their teens and your wife works full time and your age is about 37-50.
Four Stars means either you been playing for 5+ Years or you have no life and your game play is a 12+ hour Shift. You're also either divorced, retired, have a wife that works full time and no kids.
I think that about sums it up. LOL!!!!
Also do not let players discourage your from Vulching or Camping and area. If AH didn't want you to do it they would not have an Award for it. They also would not have an Award for you surviving a vulched base as well.
Don't hate the player for playing the game! :airplane:
DONT ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ME :rofl I dont have 4 stars and fit your criteria..(you forgot disabled) WTH :rofl Love ya,Brother :salute Just had to respond :neener: You spawn camping Cryptid Beast you! :devil :devil
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DONT ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ME :rofl I dont have 4 stars and fit your criteria..(you forgot disabled) WTH :rofl Love ya,Brother :salute Just had to respond :neener: You spawn camping Cryptid Beast you! :devil :devil
Best post so far..... :rofl
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i wish Hitech would fix the mouse controls so folks could be just as good with a mouse as you could a joystick and leave it up to the players on what to use.
I wish the mousers would get that same, moving stick too quickly when they do the "flop all over the place" move. Ever watch films and follow a stick user (smooth) vs a mouse user (jerky). No wonder they are harder to shoot down, they twitch more, throws off the math in calculating bullet trajectory, like wiggling the rudder flying through base ack.
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Wow, a 'mouse is such an unfair advantage' post. :rofl
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Change the default key map so that Enter/Return opens the chat bar, so new people at least have a chance to communicate.
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Change the default key map so that Enter/Return opens the chat bar, so new people at least have a chance to communicate.
Hit it 3 times and you can text while in your parachute.
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It appears that flight controls for new players is the biggest issue for new players to stick around. Most players use a mouse. 3 solutions I really like are:
A. Putting a "training videos" link on the clipboard map so players can easily click and watch for approved videos that help them with the basics. There is a training tab in the forums, why not in the game where everyone sees?
B. Use Lazer's mouse and button layout as defualt. If Lazer can fly like that using a mouse. He's doing something right.
C. Basic Mouse/Keyboard default loading screens like many other games do to give players a full visualization of the controls. It helps!
Easy peasy!
I'll say it until I am blue in the face. There needs to be an OVERLAY with arrows pointing to the various things a player needs to get going, most importantly being COMMUNICATION.
If you don't show them where to click or what to type in order to seek help they are NOT going to stick around.
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I'll say it until I am blue in the face. There needs to be an OVERLAY with arrows pointing to the various things a player needs to get going, most importantly being COMMUNICATION.
If you don't show them where to click or what to type in order to seek help they are NOT going to stick around.
+1
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I'll say it until I am blue in the face. There needs to be an OVERLAY with arrows pointing to the various things a player needs to get going, most importantly being COMMUNICATION.
If you don't show them where to click or what to type in order to seek help they are NOT going to stick around.
I concur! DANG IT....I cant argue with you on this. DCS training missions have exactly what you described. Makes it SO MUCH EASIER! DCS is no cake walk, when it comes to figuring out what functions to map out on controllers :aok
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“Even if you are on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.”
— Will Rogers
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I'll say it until I am blue in the face. There needs ... <snip>
Please post a selfie when you turn blue :rofl
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Please post a selfie when you turn blue :rofl
Not everyone knows that when V isn't doing the expert pilot thing he is part of a certain entertainment group. I think he's the one in the middle.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG)
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:rofl
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LOL
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Not everyone knows that when V isn't doing the expert pilot thing he is part of a certain entertainment group. I think he's the one in the middle.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG)
He's the one with crazy-eyes?
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He's the one with crazy-eyes?
I think he's the middle pair.
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:rofl
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If anyone wants instant action I would suggest jaegers Tank Night in the AvA. Its always lots of fun. Lotsa targets nice and close, short spawns. Its at 8 est Thurs night. Im surprised more dont take it in. Kill lots of GV's and ppoints and perks dont matter.Pick your ride and your side.
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Monday Night Madness for those that fly.