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Title: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: atlau on June 03, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
Why do yall think the LA7 has become less prevalent in the MA compared to a year ago? It seems that the Yak3 has taken its place. I'd still argue that the LA7 is a more dangerous opponent.

Interestingly it appears the C205 has become more popular... looks like a few players are primarily responsible. Unlocking achievements?
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Post by: waystin2 on June 03, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
The C.205 (minus 20MM cannon load out) is being used as sub-in for Mig3 in June FSO so expect to see more of them as fellas get more familiar with the airframe.  I concur LA7 is far more dangerous than either Yak-3 or C.205 in it's wheelhouse, mid-alt's to the deck.
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Post by: ACE on June 03, 2019, 12:28:33 PM
La7 is an absolute beast all around.
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Post by: pembquist on June 03, 2019, 12:49:16 PM
Yak3 turns better and is easier to fly. I'm a mediocre cartoon pilot and I find it easier to fly planes that are turny than fast. I suspect that I am not alone and Yak3 is both turny and fast. I would like to see what the acceleration difference is between Yak3 and La7 but I have put away my joysticks.
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Post by: Devil 505 on June 03, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
Yak3 turns better and is easier to fly. I'm a mediocre cartoon pilot and I find it easier to fly planes that are turny than fast. I suspect that I am not alone and Yak3 is both turny and fast. I would like to see what the acceleration difference is between Yak3 and La7 but I have put away my joysticks.

Looks like the La has a slight advantage with WEP under 5K.

(https://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=42&p2=131&pw=2&gtype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: Vulcan on June 03, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
I've noticed a few players switched from the yak3 to the 205 (orelle) for example.
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Post by: waystin2 on June 03, 2019, 03:24:51 PM
I've noticed a few players switched from the yak3 to the 205 (orelle) for example.
ENY forced switch?  The Rooks have had horribly high ENY lately in primetime.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 03, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
The la7 is a better plane, though it doesn't perform as well as the Yak3 in the MA as a whole. They both get around the same # of kills but the Yak3 normally has a .2-.3 better K/D. The Yak3 is much smaller and much harder to shoot down from a dead 6. It takes much more damage. Planes that can escape the fight or cons on their 6 the fastest always have the best advantage. While 1v1 I might give it to the La7, most of the time it will come down to the pilot.

The C205. Now there is a plane for a real challenge. Like anybody wants that.... Lol
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 03, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
I take that back, the Yak3 gets 1000 more kills than a La7 with a .02-.04 better K/D.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: Oldman731 on June 03, 2019, 08:48:34 PM
Interestingly it appears the C205 has become more popular... looks like a few players are primarily responsible.


205 is a pig.  Those people are misguided.

Now the 202.  There is a gentleman's ride.

- oldman
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Post by: hgtonyvi on June 03, 2019, 09:33:16 PM
The C205 is not a pig.....
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Post by: Becinhu on June 03, 2019, 09:42:13 PM
The C205 is not a pig.....

Compared to the 202 it is. 205 has the firepower advantage but the 202 is a much smoother handling machine.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: haggerty on June 04, 2019, 06:54:54 AM
The C205 feels like a G6 to me, nothing special.
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Post by: perdue3 on June 04, 2019, 09:29:00 AM
Yak-3 will do anything you ask it to, unlike an La-7. I prefer the Yak.
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Post by: waystin2 on June 04, 2019, 10:00:07 AM
Yak-3 will do anything you ask it to, unlike an La-7. I prefer the Yak.
Russian Spit 16-half as good the cannons/three times better the ENY eh Comrade?  :D
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Post by: Lusche on June 04, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bhp6vsh.png)
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Post by: fuzeman on June 04, 2019, 10:18:10 AM
My Yak never engages WEP when I ask it to, then again my dog doesn't sit when I tell him to either.
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Post by: Shuffler on June 04, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
Funny thing.... I always train my dogs. People are amazed when he takes commands. I am amazed at how many do not train their dogs.
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Post by: TequilaChaser on June 04, 2019, 11:36:44 AM
Funny thing.... I always train my dogs. People are amazed when he takes commands. I am amazed at how many do not train their dogs.

I train mine too... We used to breed Blueticks, for coon hunting and would train most of them for the people who bought them...

There is a difference between sit and heel....

Like training bird hunting dogs, also...mainly for flushing out quail and retrieving dove and quail


TC
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: save on June 04, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
We definitely need a YAK-3 with it's 3 guns , they are both faster than the LA-7 and turns better, and can't be killed  :bolt:
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: Ramesis on June 04, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
Why do yall think the LA7 has become less prevalent in the MA compared to a year ago? It seems that the Yak3 has taken its place. I'd still argue that the LA7 is a more dangerous opponent.

Interestingly it appears the C205 has become more popular... looks like a few players are primarily responsible. Unlocking achievements?

Or perhaps bored with it?


Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: AAIK on June 04, 2019, 03:52:50 PM
LA7 is much more dangerous because of that 3 cannon snapshot.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: Shuffler on June 04, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Dangerous??? Don't yall get me talking about the C47. That thing is crazy wicked.... and they come loaded with 10 engine disablers.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: fuzeman on June 04, 2019, 09:32:49 PM
'My dog' doesn't sit because I don't have a dog.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: Lazerr on June 05, 2019, 07:11:23 AM
Why do yall think the LA7 has become less prevalent in the MA compared to a year ago? It seems that the Yak3 has taken its place. I'd still argue that the LA7 is a more dangerous opponent.

Interestingly it appears the C205 has become more popular... looks like a few players are primarily responsible. Unlocking achievements?

Or perhaps bored with it?

I think it is because the yak is easier to control, and takes a ton of damage.

I tend to shoot my way out of bad situations, so with the twos close performance, its a no brainer to go with the better armed la7.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on June 05, 2019, 10:03:19 AM
I think it is because the yak is easier to control, and takes a ton of damage.

I tend to shoot my way out of bad situations, so with the twos close performance, its a no brainer to go with the better armed la7.

Yes, the La7 is more dangerous from a snapshot perspective. The quicker you can shoot down planes from further away, the better off you will be. The La7 just gets picked off easier. The Yak does handle extremely well, I was in scissors in a F4u1d with a Yak3 trying to get him to overshoot and he was floating that thing with me at about 75 knots. Was suprised it didn't roll right over into the sea. He then poured the coal to it and turned out right, I would have hopped the 6 then but his 190D buddy came back in. The Yak3 more than likely would have started flopping while excelling away from me at D800. It's a very tough plane to shoot down, Size/Color and I'd say it has quicker movements than the La7. Then you do hit it hard and gets a minor oil leak or something but soars away so you will never catch it. Tough planes overall and I wish they had a small perk TBH.
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Post by: TequilaChaser on June 05, 2019, 02:04:40 PM
Yes, the La7 is more dangerous from a snapshot perspective. The quicker you can shoot down planes from further away, the better off you will be. The La7 just gets picked off easier. The Yak does handle extremely well, I was in scissors in a F4u1d with a Yak3 trying to get him to overshoot and he was floating that thing with me at about 75 knots. Was suprised it didn't roll right over into the sea. He then poured the coal to it and turned out right, I would have hopped the 6 then but his 190D buddy came back in. The Yak3 more than likely would have started flopping while excelling away from me at D800. It's a very tough plane to shoot down, Size/Color and I'd say it has quicker movements than the La7. Then you do hit it hard and gets a minor oil leak or something but soars away so you will never catch it. Tough planes overall and I wish they had a small perk TBH.

I would probably want to be in the -1,  instead of the -1D, because it can out turn all other F4U models... and if one knows how to really dig in and fly it, the LA-7 nor Yak-3 can handle it....just saying



TC
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: atlau on June 05, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
I would probably want to be in the -1,  instead of the -1D, because it can out turn all other F4U models... and if one knows how to really dig in and fly it, the LA-7 nor Yak-3 can handle it....just saying



TC

I'd take you up on that.. I'm fairly confident I could win against 90% of f4u drivers 1v1 in a yak3 or la7 at low alt as long as you dont get into a slow speed flying contest.

That isn't against the likes of rud3boi violator Simon or Humboldt. Haha
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 05, 2019, 08:20:39 PM
I'd take you up on that.. I'm fairly confident I could win against 90% of f4u drivers 1v1 in a yak3 or la7 at low alt as long as you dont get into a slow speed flying contest.

That isn't against the likes of rud3boi violator Simon or Humboldt. Haha

I'll be on this coming weekend for a few events....come find me if you really want to to do this, God knows I really do have a lot of rust to shake off, LOL


TC
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Post by: Oldman731 on June 05, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
That isn't against the likes of rud3boi violator Simon or Humboldt. Haha


Heh.  Or TC.

- oldman
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: bozon on June 06, 2019, 07:47:51 AM
Compared to the 202 it is. 205 has the firepower advantage but the 202 is a much smoother handling machine.
Saying that the 205 has more firepower than the 202 is like saying that boys have a longer Johnson than girls.

They come in leopard skin, that is all I need to know.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on June 06, 2019, 10:06:41 AM
I'd say the F4U would win all day after just 2 turns. Though if you give them the ole skyyr special, you might be able to pull the rope in the first emmilmen.



Heh.  Or TC.

- oldman

Very true. He's no slouch!

I would probably want to be in the -1,  instead of the -1D, because it can out turn all other F4U models... and if one knows how to really dig in and fly it, the LA-7 nor Yak-3 can handle it....just saying



TC

Yeah I was trying to get a 190D and Yak3 ganging me to overshoot. The Yak3 was coming down on my 6 I was going about 150. He slowed down all the way. I was able to get him in the scissors but we were both going about 75 I'd say. Very slow. We could wave to each other at one point. (Was actually pretty cool). I was just surprised that he could hang on in a Yak3 that slow without rolling it in. It's hard to stay with a f4u like that. I was just about to gain the advantage going 40  :D but the 190 ate my lunch.
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: atlau on June 06, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
Well the thing is to create enough separation and keep the fight vertical and going uphill and not turn. When I'm in corsair i hope I can get the yak to get into a slow flat turn

A 190d can do the same against the f4u though it wal probably take longer to get the right setup for a kill shot.
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Post by: TequilaChaser on June 06, 2019, 11:05:38 AM
Well the thing is to create enough separation and keep the fight vertical and going uphill ~small edit by TC~

It is great to see the words I was using to train others from back in the 90's in AirWarrior......

~S~

TC
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Post by: hgtonyvi on June 06, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
C205 is a vertical fighter....its a beast...if you get use to the stalls its even better...snap controls with rudder can point the nose anywhere...similar to a 109k4.....i have to agree after the WEP is finished i suggest you rtb because it tends to lack power and turns sluggish...
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: atlau on June 06, 2019, 02:02:44 PM
Doesn't the 205 share the engine from one of the 109gs?
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Post by: Spikes on June 06, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Doesn't the 205 share the engine from one of the 109gs?
Yes, it is a DB 605.
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Post by: AKQwik on June 07, 2019, 07:49:54 AM
Another good thing about the 205, if you have alt advantage you can catch a fleeing pony.
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Post by: hgtonyvi on June 07, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
The c205 is definetly underated. It dives like a beast also....I call it the italian stallion...
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: atlau on June 07, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Still too slow overall to compete effectively though
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Post by: hgtonyvi on June 07, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
Still too slow overall to compete effectively though
Nah.....you stick to your hair dryer 262 buddy.... :P
Title: Re: LA7 less popular? C205 bump?
Post by: save on June 08, 2019, 06:17:58 AM
Another good thing about the 205, if you have alt advantage you can catch a fleeing pony.

Not possible if the Pony driver knows what he is doing, exerting Pony-Run tactics 400mph at altitude.
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Post by: Becinhu on June 15, 2019, 06:50:20 PM
Saying that the 205 has more firepower than the 202 is like saying that boys have a longer Johnson than girls.

They come in leopard skin, that is all I need to know.

The 202 has 2 7.7mm and 2 12.7mm while the 205 has 2 12.7mm and 2 20mm cannon, so yes it does have more firepower. The 205 is a bit more squirrely in a knife fight where the 202 transitions smoothly but you are shooting staple guns at your enemy.
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Post by: Max on June 15, 2019, 08:02:49 PM
The 202 has 2 7.7mm and 2 12.7mm while the 205 has 2 12.7mm and 2 20mm cannon, so yes it does have more firepower. The 205 is a bit more squirrely in a knife fight where the 202 transitions smoothly but you are shooting staple guns at your enemy.

It never ceased to amaze me that Pipz (RIP) always managed to land 2-3 kills with almost every C202 sortie he flew.
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Post by: Oldman731 on June 15, 2019, 08:40:33 PM
The 202 has 2 7.7mm and 2 12.7mm while the 205 has 2 12.7mm and 2 20mm cannon, so yes it does have more firepower. The 205 is a bit more squirrely in a knife fight where the 202 transitions smoothly but you are shooting staple guns at your enemy.


202 flys even better if you lose those useless 7.7s.  If you're going for WWI armament, might as well go for the gold.

- oldman
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Post by: atlau on June 16, 2019, 11:00:57 AM
I noticed the 202 floats quite nicely. Even getting accused of being a hack by a spit16 driver for falling out of a stack after him.

Best strategy is catch and release to get kills. Ping them and then hope they auger :)