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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mister Fork on June 18, 2019, 12:49:37 AM
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Excellent article from The Atlantic on what really happened to Malaysia Flight MH370. (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/)
It's about a 20-30 minute read. Excellent for those on lunch or coffee breaks.
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I cant read :old:
Whats it say?
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It is good. Same guy that wrote the Vanity Fair article on AF 447.
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I cant read :old:
Whats it say?
Pilot took the airplane and flew south, crashing in the Southern Indian Ocean.
Some guy who skips around the world with no paying job has spent the last several years on an obsessive hunt for wreckage, becoming the single largest source of wreckage.
Malaysia has resisted any disclosure of results from their "investigations," which follow the traditional model in authoritarian regimes of being intended first and foremost as tools to ensure that the population doesn't blame the government. They primarily wish that the very concept that it ever happened would vanish from the collective memory of the world.
Mike
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So it crashed then?
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So it crashed then?
In tiny pieces.
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It was MCAS. :old:
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It was MCAS. :old:
Here is the crux of what Will Langewiesche said:
- the Malay government purposefully misled the initial investigation, the initial search, everything because right away they knew the pilot was flying the aircraft like a crazy person based on the radar data they had
- same government has also stifled all investigations, misled media, and lied to the FAA, FBI, and other investigative bodies on the mental health of the pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah.
- Zaharie had MSX on his computer, which BTW, had the same route of a planned flight on the game which he then took the MH370 on the same flight weeks later
- Zaharie was depressed, and probably not in a good space. Similar to other pilots who flew their aircraft into the water/mountains - like EgyptAir and others
- his best friend is convinced that Zaharie is 100% responsible for the accident, and the Malay government for the cover-up (like any dictatorship would do).
- Will goes into the most-likely scenario on how he did it. He had the co-pilot leave the cockpit, donned his air mask, turned off the air into the plane for 40-50 minutes, turned it back on, and then flew the plane until it ran out of gas and nose-dived the airplane into the sea which broke up into a billion pieces at a high rate of speed (15000+fpm impact).
- the reason why no wreckage debris site was ever found was the the Malaysian government, on purpose, sent S&R and other investigating bodies to the wrong area, thousands of miles away, so the plane wouldn't be found and they not held responsible.
- to put it into perspective, the Air France airplane that crashed - they knew EXACTLY where it hit the water, and it took them two years to find the aircraft.
- bits and pieces of the aircraft have been showing up all along the coast of Madagascar and other surrounding areas. All showing high-speed impact damage.
- what Mike also said. Blaine Gibson volunteered his own time - but now is facing death threats - possibly from China/Malaysia authorities.
:salute
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What if he hypoxia'd the crew/passengers and tried to fly NOE somewhere but screwed up and contacted the water at 350+kts?
We do it all the time because it's harder than it seems.
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It was MCAS. :old:
Wrong.
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:rofl :aok
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If he dove in from anything but super low altitude, some pretty large parts would have left the plane before it contacted the water.
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If he dove in from anything but super low altitude, some pretty large parts would have left the plane before it contacted the water.
Says who?
You can put that thing through Mach 1 and keep everything on it.
I've seen jets Mach Tuck from 35,000'+ and the largest piece is the size of a quarter.
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Please provide the ntsb reports supporting your claim of a passenger jet achieving Mach 1 in the dense air of low altitude without shedding sizeable parts.
I've seen plenty of wreckage from water crash sites without your claimed "largest piece was the size of a quarter.
At garber restoration facility, I've worked with plenty of wreckage and I don't see evidence of your claim.
Even galloping ghost going in near vertical into concrete left sizeable parts as did Ken Burnstine's Miss Suzy Q.
Interestingly, the canopy to Burnstine's other mustang was fitted to galloping ghost.
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Please provide the ntsb reports supporting your claim because I've seen plenty of wreckage from water crash sites without your claimed "largest piece was the size of a quarter.
At garber restoration facility, I've worked with plenty of wreckage and I don't see evidence of your claim and I doubt an airliner going in from 35k has ever contacted the surface without shedding some good size parts along the way.
I don't have to do your research for you. Try a search engine. Plenty of official reports to verify my claim.
Getting pretty tired of your anecdotal nonsense at the Gerber (sic) facility, too.
Do some math. Just because you're doing 760 MPH when you hit doesn't mean it has to be in a vertical straight line--though it can be and has been. And a jet like a 777 is over engineered to a ridiculous degree. It would have to be going like hell to lose parts.
The simple fact of the matter is that your assertion requiring this crash to have been initiated from low altitude lest it shed pieces is nonsense. Anything else is gnat-straining and thus utterly beside the point.
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You've seen an airliner go over 760 mph in the dense air of low altitude without shedding sizeable parts before contacting the surface?
It's much more probable that an airliner achieving 760+mph in terminal Mach tuck broke into much larger parts than the "size of a quarter" long before hitting the water.
My contention is that what remains of mh370 are pretty large.
I just moved back to about 30 miles from udvar hazy so maybe you will have to "be tired of anecdotal evidence" from there as well.
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Mach One at Sea Level is around 760 MPH.
When these airplanes come screaming out of the sky in a terminal dive you can be damn certain that some of them are going that fast---and the parts are generally found within a relatively short distance from the impact crater. There's very little to look at when that happens.*
I'll say it again. Your original assertion is nonsense. Period.
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* This is not to say airplanes don't lose pieces in these situations. Some do. Some don't. As with everything: it depends.
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Some MH370 facts both for and against certain theories:
1. The Cargo passenger manifest and the passenger manifest do not match. A last-minute passenger boarded.
2. There was a cellular connection from the Co-Pilots phone shortly before reaching Penang
3. The last person to speak to ATC was the pilot. The last person to speak by radio, was the co-pilot "mumbling".
4. Two Iranians were onboard with false passports.
5. Two Ukrainians sat in first class. There was a qualified flight engineer in first class.
6. The only witness to MH370 was interviewed by specialist interrogators who established MH370 was not on fire.
7. GA Telesis purchased and delivered MH370's sister ship to a hangar in Tel Aviv 6 months prior. Some people think it's Mossad.
8. The X-Planes co-ordinates are not the same type of co-ordinates published by the FBI
9. All other alleged pilot suicides in history left some trace or history prior to the act of mass-murder, this one didn't.
10. French spy satellite images were withheld for six months.
11. The aircraft flew an international border and then pointed at Diego Garcia at one point.
12. The co-pilot's phone is the only phone which registered any activity after the aircraft ascended.
13. The 777 had a history of decompression and uncommanded navigational errors.
14. At one point the incident appears to be an accident, but later on is clearly not an accident.
15. Pilots don't think the pilot did it.
16. The conspiracy theory about Freescale is a red herring. None of the 22 scientists were signatories on the stealth patents.
17. The ATSB and other investigators disagree on where the plane crashed. Investigations for years assumed only one scenario.
18. Of around 40 parts of the plane recovered, only 2 came from inside the plane. The rest all suggest a controlled landing.
19. The world's media have incessantly repeated the lie that Captain Zaharie was the "last person to speak".
20. Several countries lied or behaved strangely towards each other during the initial first two weeks. This was explained with stories about radar secrets.
21. Rumours of a conversation between MH370 and the Malaysian government as the 777 flew the border route.
The fact he had several similar routes on his flight simulator is no excuse to be ridiculous and condemn him, someone could have known that. The pilot stands out from other suicidal or alleged suicidal pilots, his life was totally different. The newspaper is not telling you that Malaysia was threatened by Israel for finding Israel guilty of war crimes. Again that does not make Israel guilty of MH17 and MH370 either. This is how the truth will never surface, because people are repeating selected snippets of the information, while even investigators can't agree among themselves about locations. There are a lot of politics with MH370.
It goes on and on and it takes a really sturdy and objective mind to sift through all the red herrings, smoke and mirrors.
When you sit down and consider the cockpit and first class and the information we do know about avionics etc, there is just no practical solution or possibility to saying that the pilot did it, in my opinion. What frightens me is how easily some other theories fit.
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In tiny pieces.
Bit rubbish that you cannot track a plane when Google know when i go for a plop :old: