Post by: Connery on August 24, 2019, 05:00:46 PM
Just a thought
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Post by: DmonSlyr on August 24, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
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Post by: Ciaphas on August 24, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
Some guys do (did) but don't play that much... I've been trying to get mine going. Keep running into technical difficulties. Maybe I'll try again tonight.
I found a good set up for you.
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Post by: fd ski on August 25, 2019, 01:31:01 AM
Post by: Easyscor on August 25, 2019, 02:02:48 AM
I doubt that large audience will be wanting to watch me climb out for 20 mintues....
Probably not, but you can get a kill or die every 4 or 5 minutes in the AvA during Monday Night Madness (MNM).
Post by: Brooke on August 25, 2019, 02:07:50 AM
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 25, 2019, 02:21:30 AM
I'd love to stream a scenario, but I can't because it would give away locations of units.Also a HUGE negative in Main Arena! Too many well I wont say it....just to be Sir Richards :furious Not everyone who plays is looking out for the Communities livelihood. Too many proud, egotistical whiners. Not all, but enough to hinder the games enjoyment and sharing on a live stream. Even posting videos on Youtube has been an issue, not for all again, but happens. All I hear is"Oh, you BAD. You have a channel. I kicked your arse blah blah". Think it turns off some folk that woud do this, otherwise. JMHO :uhoh
Post by: FESS67 on August 25, 2019, 02:27:39 AM
I'd love to stream a scenario, but I can't because it would give away locations of units.
Yeah that first hour of people doing nothing but climbing to alt would be a real winner to watch
Post by: Brooke on August 25, 2019, 03:40:04 AM
Yeah that first hour of people doing nothing but climbing to alt would be a real winner to watch
Time from launch to first action, for scenarios in the last 3 years:
Nuisance Raids: 12 minutes
Pantelleria: 15 minutes
Fjord Fury: 32 minutes <--- strategic bombing
Kuban: 7 minutes
Rabaul: 33 minutes <--- strategic bombing
Big Week: 32 minutes <--- strategic bombing
Hinterland: 11 minutes
Dnieper: 13 minutes
Fess, the October scenario is a tactical battle -- Anzio. I think you should join us for lots of magnificent action. :aok
Post by: captain1ma on August 25, 2019, 09:19:59 AM
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Post by: Brooke on August 25, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
Could've sworn one could put a delay on the stream to help with the stream sniping. :headscratch:
You can, and I talked it over with scenario players, but they thought even with delay, it would not be good.
There are locations of units that can still be useful even if the information is old, as well as radio traffic with plans and strategies.
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Post by: hazmatt on August 26, 2019, 02:31:17 AM
I for one am more interested in a "simulation" then an arcade game. Surely I can't be the only one?
Post by: Brooke on August 26, 2019, 04:13:04 AM
The bigger problem we have is that most players in melee aren't on the message board and don't know anything about any special events.
It has to be players reaching out individually to other players to invite them to try it out, explain what it's about, etc.
Post by: FESS67 on August 26, 2019, 07:06:10 AM
It seems that everybody thinks that 10 min of climbing out would turn off all the possible new players.
I for one am more interested in a "simulation" then an arcade game. Surely I can't be the only one?
ok seriously. YES YES YES the 10 minute climb out turns them off. I have been flying since AW in 1994 and the pregnant pause before action in scenarios bores me so much I will never again try them, and I am a fan of AH. Imagine how bad it would be for a noob.
The mantra of the day is instant action instant respawn. You can wish it was not so but the fact is that the kids earning 500k a year playing games are doing it in instant action instant respawn games.
I would prefer AH to take on a model akin to World of Warships where I get a fight on a regular basis. I think it is headed that way with the AI in the Match Play arena but OMG how bad is that arena as an introduction to AH? OMG if a new player tries that and encounters B24's out turning spits...hmmmm do you really expect them to stay?
All I have to offer
Post by: Lazerr on August 26, 2019, 09:16:04 AM
ok seriously. YES YES YES the 10 minute climb out turns them off. I have been flying since AW in 1994 and the pregnant pause before action in scenarios bores me so much I will never again try them, and I am a fan of AH. Imagine how bad it would be for a noob.
The mantra of the day is instant action instant respawn. You can wish it was not so but the fact is that the kids earning 500k a year playing games are doing it in instant action instant respawn games.
I would prefer AH to take on a model akin to World of Warships where I get a fight on a regular basis. I think it is headed that way with the AI in the Match Play arena but OMG how bad is that arena as an introduction to AH? OMG if a new player tries that and encounters B24's out turning spits...hmmmm do you really expect them to stay?
All I have to offer
I agree, that arena is pretty fun as is, and a step in the right direction, until you start getting dove on by buffs, rv8s and storches.
Then its just disappointing.
Post by: Volron on August 26, 2019, 10:44:50 AM
You can, and I talked it over with scenario players, but they thought even with delay, it would not be good.
There are locations of units that can still be useful even if the information is old, as well as radio traffic with plans and strategies.
Well for Scenarios/FSO I can understand not streaming at all, for the reasons you stated. But for general game play, it shouldn't as much of an issue. The thing is, if someone is to stream AH, it would be best to stream MA game play over everything else since this is where the "meat" of the game happens to be. Post a link to youtube to watch Scenario/FSO after it is done, posting those links in twitch to point folks towards that. Just note that it would be best to post an entire video in this case as editing to show only the action will be misleading. That is the problem with the idea of only posting action, folks will think that is what happens when in reality it could be 20m before you get to that point. Get an unlucky pilot snipe, and you get the picture...
Post by: Ciaphas on August 26, 2019, 10:58:16 AM
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Post by: Wiley on August 26, 2019, 11:31:04 AM
It seems that everybody thinks that 10 min of climbing out would turn off all the possible new players.
I for one am more interested in a "simulation" then an arcade game. Surely I can't be the only one?
You're not the only one, but we're far and few between. And that's the problem. Making it popular IMO means making it into something completely different from what it is.
The mantra of the day is instant action instant respawn. You can wish it was not so but the fact is that the kids earning 500k a year playing games are doing it in instant action instant respawn games.
Fess is not wrong. Even the MA is too slow for most gamers/twitch viewers.
Wiley.
Post by: Ciaphas on August 26, 2019, 11:50:29 AM
Post by: Wiley on August 26, 2019, 11:58:25 AM
It would be worth while to create videos that balance out the "boring" with the "action" and present them as talking streams and promo videos for your respective channels and then slowly integrate them in to the full streams.
I don't exactly understand how that would work? You might draw them in, but once they see a full stream, unless you're a good enough talker to entertain them fully during slow times I just don't see people sticking around.
Wiley.
Post by: Ciaphas on August 26, 2019, 12:11:55 PM
I don't exactly understand how that would work? You might draw them in, but once they see a full stream, unless you're a good enough talker to entertain them fully during slow times I just don't see people sticking around.
Wiley.
That's the million dollar question, isn't it? It may take some creativity but it's not impossible. There are a million things that you can discuss during these slow periods of flight. You can also tailor the streams for fast pace players, those that love the pure team work aspect of gaming and even for those that are lone wolf gamer types. You just have to step outside what you feel is value added game play and focus on the different types of gamers and how they want to play.
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 26, 2019, 06:15:14 PM
You're not the only one, but we're far and few between. And that's the problem. Making it popular IMO means making it into something completely different from what it is.
Fess is not wrong. Even the MA is too slow for most gamers/twitch viewers.
Wiley.
One of the many reasons why I have tried to encourage maps with closer bases. Having to fly a sector to a fight and back just takes too much time, especially during off hours when only you are fighting 2-4 guys maybe. Thats another story though.
Post by: JOACH1M on August 26, 2019, 09:13:18 PM
Could've sworn one could put a delay on the stream to help with the stream sniping. :headscratch:Putting a delay on kind of works but as soon as you look at the clip board you are screwed. They will see the plane type ur in and know which airfield you came from
Post by: JOACH1M on August 26, 2019, 09:16:55 PM
Streaming 1v1’s and KOTH would be the best high action gameplay for twitch or mixer
Post by: CAV on August 26, 2019, 09:57:14 PM
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I for one am more interested in a "simulation" then an arcade game. Surely I can't be the only one?
You are not the only one...... If AH keeps moving toward "arcade game" I will have to give it up after all these years and go IL-2 full time.
CAVALRY
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 26, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
My friends who are Avid twitch viewers have a hard time watching Flight sim streams that I put out (not just AH) and the climb out to fights in any flight sim is boring. I try to keep it entertaining by talking to chat and stuff, but having to put a big delay on stream makes it kinda suck to chat with.
Streaming 1v1’s and KOTH would be the best high action gameplay for twitch or mixer
Combat challenge on Friday would be a good one.
Post by: Trev95 on August 27, 2019, 03:48:41 PM
Post by: Pluto on August 27, 2019, 04:06:30 PM
I don't stream on twitch but I do upload to you tube almost weekly. It's not anything to boast about but the more thats out there the more likely people are to stumble across it. I would rather sit and watch a 5 or 10 minute video thus the platform vs streaming (plus I am really boring to watch). And we do have a few players that are active on youtube. Congrexes Prime, Flight5imingame and a few others. :airplane:
What's your youtube channel?
Post by: puller on August 27, 2019, 05:06:23 PM
And some weird midget stuff :bolt: :noid
Post by: Pluto on August 28, 2019, 04:26:28 AM
Clu puts up good vids... :rock
And some weird midget stuff :bolt: :noid
It's not weird to show support for the World Championship little people bass fishing tournament
Post by: Shuffler on August 28, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
Clu puts up good vids... :rock
And some weird midget stuff :bolt: :noid
I saw a picture of a midget going down the outside wall of a prison......
I thought it was a "little condecending".
Post by: SPKmes on August 28, 2019, 06:32:35 PM
Post by: Pluto on August 28, 2019, 07:12:45 PM
with all this talk of people stalking I might twitch myself.... draw all those fights to me....
That's kind of what I was thinking. It might save some time aimlessly flying trying to provoke someone
Post by: Mongoose on August 28, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Post by: bustr on August 29, 2019, 05:02:03 PM
Becasue we play the game, our mono reference point of view fight films are not boring to us because our brains will fill in with our shared experiences. For an outside audience break out of the cockpit for external views of sequences editing those back in to create a short story and drama. Our films are boring like watching too many WW2 gun cam films eventually become. Part of why I kept evolving my terrains is so the backgrounds for films wouldn't be so hoaky and 1999.
Post by: bustr on August 29, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
I doubt our films from the cockpit during white knuckle maneuvering is meaningful to their accustomed perspective. If anything all the competitor films I watched so I could inspect their terrain, oceans, clouds and sky. The pilot\commander perspective was always external showing off the detail of the planes or tanks against a visual tapestry of the world view around them. A bit arcadish but, we have all seen the 3D modeling in War Thunder so they can get away with making it the whole visual experience. In our case, we try to sell the ACM and combat as the experience which in our film perspective becomes boring to gamers. It's also a lazy easy way to create films, I take advantage of it to help myself with my own gunnery offline.
We have one effect no one takes advantage of. Showing the majority of the fight from external mode like WT as a story of two fighters gripped in a life or death struggle. But, change back to cockpit mode zoomed into the retical filling the screen while the audience watches all the gory details during those seconds shots are fired and finally to the kill at the end. That short gunsight view port is really the business end of our game that we all slave hours a night to achieve. This won't be necessary if you gents actually pull off some kind of a streaming video following for the game.
If you want to incur the download wait for this AVI, here is one of my gunnery training films I use to help myself correct my online shooting problems. It's highly informational for an AH player while just as boring to non AH playing gamers. Many of our films I look at online are this kind of boring if you are not an AH player.
I use this account to make terrains available to Hitech, a P51 gunnery training film: https://drive.google.com/open?id=10U5iEaGqMedg7sISSfeC_lA8FrI2jNTo
Post by: JOACH1M on August 30, 2019, 07:29:27 AM
Too bad you cannot have a few ride along commentators streaming and the ability to combine streams as small tiled screens. Setup some duels this way so each fighter has a ride along and a god mode commentator. This format might work better as AHF films combined\edited for youtube like an ESPN format or some of the E-Game film formats of competitions. Another format would be a god mode with commentary while the two competitors ran film at the same time. Then if there is software that can do it, setup small windows running their synced cockpit films at the same time synced to the large god mode commentator film.You can do joint streaming where you can see all players in the "group" or "squad" all playing together. Only issue is that only one streams audio can be heard at once. So all the players streamin will have to be in a discord together so the viewer can here their conversations.
Becasue we play the game, our mono reference point of view fight films are not boring to us because our brains will fill in with our shared experiences. For an outside audience break out of the cockpit for external views of sequences editing those back in to create a short story and drama. Our films are boring like watching too many WW2 gun cam films eventually become. Part of why I kept evolving my terrains is so the backgrounds for films wouldn't be so hoaky and 1999.
Post by: icepac on September 01, 2019, 11:08:46 AM
Post by: Connery on September 04, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
I liked streaming AH, but I was being stream sniped a few times and it got old. Not only that I haven’t played much.
I can imagine it would be incredibly easy to avoid being streamsniped
Post by: JOACH1M on September 05, 2019, 11:12:03 AM
I can imagine it would be incredibly easy to avoid being streamsnipedIt’s not at all. Any extreme delay kinda ruins the whole interaction between player and viewer. As soon as you pick a plane in the hanger they know what plane/skin/airfield/altitude of you.
Post by: Ciaphas on September 05, 2019, 01:51:51 PM
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Post by: JOACH1M on September 05, 2019, 08:23:17 PM
I usually hide my clipboard map behind my webcam overlay.I’ve thought about that, but don’t feel like buying a webcam just to stream a game I haven’t played in months.
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Post by: Ciaphas on September 05, 2019, 08:25:45 PM
I’ve thought about that, but don’t feel like buying a webcam just to stream a game I haven’t played in months.
you don't need a webcam, you can create a text block with up and coming events or literally anything you want to achieve the same outcome.
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Post by: toddbobe on September 11, 2019, 04:26:28 PM
I doubt that large audience will be wanting to watch me climb out for 20 mintues....
What may help is if there is a group of players flying with the streamer that communicate in an entertaining way... I know 72dodge hits me with enough insults to keep someone entertained... Not bad for a guy that supports the cheaters!
Post by: Ciaphas on September 11, 2019, 04:30:15 PM
What may help is if there is a group of players flying with the streamer that communicate in an entertaining way... I know 72dodge hits me with enough insults to keep someone entertained... Not bad for a guy that supports the cheaters!
exactly right, I've had some funny moments in my streams.
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Post by: Shuffler on September 12, 2019, 01:22:15 AM
I'm just now starting to step my stream game up. My live is to twitch but I post everything to youtube. I am going to eventually run a multi stream third party app so I can hit 3 or 4 at the same time
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Ahhh yall mean on the internet. Never mind. :D
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Ahhh yall mean on the internet. Never mind. :D
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Post by: perdue3 on September 24, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Well folks I going to make an announcement effective immediately. On my Birthday: (9/21/19) I will be doing a Birthday Stream on my Twitch at 9 PM as a giveaway stream. I am going to attempt to take B-29s and go for 100K damage. The giveaway will be simple. If you can guess how much damage I do on my main run you will win a free month of Aces High III on me and if you guess close enough to how much I actually score around 500-1,000 to the actual damage you will get another month as a special bonus. If any of you guys want to help as an escort because there might a few other bomber pilots as well that is welcome. If anyone wants to "intercept" I do have a request, I hope you understand why I am asking, is to not attack my bombers, and you might be asking why is, so I can gather the damage in total, but I do have something for people who "intercept" me who get to 1,000 ft on me I WILL NOT shoot them down. For any pilot who can will get something on the lines of a gift card from any place they want. About a $20 gift card to any place they want. I will give something for the escorts as well so I can make it even for both sides. But the catch is, the prizes would be given to the people who earn them next week, when I have enough funds. But I do promise I will go through with it. If anyone does want to help send me a message or be in game and PM when I am on. Thanks for viewing guys. Twitch name: CincyNick2015
How did it go?
Post by: noman on September 24, 2019, 10:45:46 AM
How did it go?About as well as Shuffler's "Stream"
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2019, 11:42:52 AM
About as well as Shuffler's "Stream"
OH Nooooo I get told to stand close... it's shorter than you thing..... ALL THE TIME.
Post by: JOACH1M on September 27, 2019, 09:16:44 AM