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Title: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 28, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
Looking for attack/jabo sortie/misson details for August 29th/August 30th 1944 in the Champagne-Chalons area of France.

Any good resources out there for missions like these?
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: perdue3 on August 28, 2019, 01:39:59 PM
I assume you mean Luftwaffe raids on this day?
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 28, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
I assume you mean Luftwaffe raids on this day?

Yes. I am tracing my grandfathers path through France and Germany with the 80th Infantry Division and his battalions AARs say they were strafed both days by Luftwaffe fighters. The Battalions AAA claimed they saw hits/damage but none shot down. Was hoping to see what Luftwaffe units they were.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: perdue3 on August 28, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
Yes. I am tracing my grandfathers path through France and Germany with the 80th Infantry Division and his battalions AARs say they were strafed both days by Luftwaffe fighters. The Battalions AAA claimed they saw hits/damage but none shot down. Was hoping to see what Luftwaffe units they were.

I see. Those sorts of late war Luftwaffe diaries are extremely rare. However, I can tell you that II/JG 3 and III/JG 76 were based outside of Châlons-en-Champagne until the Allies captured it around the same day you mention. The airfield in question was officially captured by the Allies on September 4.

Uncertain on the JG 3 claim, actually.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 28, 2019, 01:58:43 PM
I see. Those sorts of late war Luftwaffe diaries are extremely rare. However, I can tell you that II/JG 3 and III/JG 76 were based outside of Châlons-en-Champagne until the Allies captured it around the same day you mention. The airfield in question was officially captured by the Allies on September 4.

Uncertain on the JG 3 claim, actually.

Thanks Perdweeb, his battalion would forge the Marne tomorrow around 1100AM and later that evening would be attacked by German fighters, then again on the 30th. What was III/JG76 flying at the time? Fw 190s?
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: perdue3 on August 28, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
Thanks Perdweeb, his battalion would forge the Marne tomorrow around 1100AM and later that evening would be attacked by German fighters, then again on the 30th. What was III/JG76 flying at the time? Fw 190s?

Mix of late G-6's and G-14 proper. I cannot say for certain that was the unit, but they were close at the time. Because most of JG 76 was based at Azannes, the pieces of III/JG 76 that was stationed here on the Marne likely retreated there before ultimately retreating to Germany like the rest of the Luftwaffe.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: MiloMorai on August 28, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
You could ask here, http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/ Very knowledgeable bunch of guys.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: perdue3 on August 28, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Axis history forum is much better, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Oldman731 on August 28, 2019, 08:52:31 PM
Axis history forum is much better, in my opinion.


...um...missing link...?

- oldman (who agrees that the 12oclockhigh.net people are quite knowledgeable)
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: MiloMorai on August 29, 2019, 12:58:44 AM
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=59
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: MiloMorai on August 31, 2019, 06:47:59 AM
I asked on the 12 o'clock board.

A start, http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=54843
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 31, 2019, 07:59:24 AM
I asked on the 12 o'clock board.

A start, http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=54843

Thanks! I see someone responded, but I can't read much German.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Mister Fork on August 31, 2019, 09:10:05 AM
Google translate is your friend.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 31, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
Google translate is your friend.

It's an image file not a webpage.

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocihm.lac_reel_t2417/309?r=0&s=2
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: perdue3 on August 31, 2019, 04:19:46 PM
It's an image file not a webpage.

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocihm.lac_reel_t2417/309?r=0&s=2

I'll translate it for you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Luftwaffe historians/dweebs
Post by: Nefarious on August 31, 2019, 08:31:48 PM
I'll translate it for you tomorrow.

Looking into the 314th FA/80th AARs they were attacked on the night of September 3rd/4th when Luftwaffe aircraft dropped two bombs less than 500 yards from C Battery. This would have been near Vignot. My Grandfather was bombed by the  Luftwaffe on his 23rd birthday.