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Title: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: KayBayRay on September 08, 2019, 08:25:12 PM
<S> All, SEKayBay here,

I have been out a few years and getting back to the game. Many changes with Aces High III. One thing I am missing is how much bomb damage does it take to destroy various ground targets? It appears that many if not all targets have been hardened to some extent.
I have searched the forums a bit and really didn't find any good explanations. I looked through some of the other available information but if such a new updated list exists I was unable to find it. I know there are some very detail oriented players in this community and I figure somebody out there has created such a list or somebody knows where on High Techs page I can find such a list should it exist. I would very much appreciate any kind soul's assistance.

Check Six! Feet Dry!
See You In The Sky!

<S>SEKayBay  :salute
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: The Fugitive on September 08, 2019, 08:35:06 PM
https://www.hitechcreations.com/arena-configuration/object-settings

Hardness is how many 1000's it takes to destroy. Just move the decimal point over 3 spots for the totals

Also, here is a pdf with the totals to destroy each object.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/images/trainers/bombers/levelbombing/levelbombing.pdf
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: AKKuya on September 08, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
You need to call up your clipboard.  Click Options > Arena Setup > Objects > Object Settings.  Look at the right column under Hard for Hardness.  All numbers are based on 1000 lbs. of ordnance.  Hardness of 2.0 requires 2000 lbs. of bombs.  Hardness of .25 requires 250 lbs. of bombs.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Oldman731 on September 08, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
I have been out a few years and getting back to the game.


Good to have you back!

- oldman
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Shuffler on September 09, 2019, 04:38:56 PM
<S> All, SEKayBay here,

I have been out a few years and getting back to the game. Many changes with Aces High III. One thing I am missing is how much bomb damage does it take to destroy various ground targets? It appears that many if not all targets have been hardened to some extent.
I have searched the forums a bit and really didn't find any good explanations. I looked through some of the other available information but if such a new updated list exists I was unable to find it. I know there are some very detail oriented players in this community and I figure somebody out there has created such a list or somebody knows where on High Techs page I can find such a list should it exist. I would very much appreciate any kind soul's assistance.

Check Six! Feet Dry!
See You In The Sky!

<S>SEKayBay  :salute

Welcome back!!

It always takes a little more than I have.... no matter how much I have.  :bhead
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 10, 2019, 02:29:41 AM
Welcome back!!

It always takes a little more than I have.... no matter how much I have.  :bhead
Calibration... is your friend! Or in YOUR CASE....drop on the Middle one!  :devil Damn Margarita...what a B%$#@  :neener:
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: waystin2 on September 10, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
I would say until it blows up. There is some good info in the previous posts! Welcome back!
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: pembquist on September 10, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
You need to call up your clipboard.  Click Options > Arena Setup > Objects > Object Settings.  Look at the right column under Hard for Hardness.  All numbers are based on 1000 lbs. of ordnance.  Hardness of 2.0 requires 2000 lbs. of bombs.  Hardness of .25 requires 250 lbs. of bombs.

Also not all bombs are created equal, 4 250lb bombs do more damage than 1 1000lb bomb and so on

then there are the AP and HC bombs
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Shuffler on September 10, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
Also not all bombs are created equal, 4 250lb bombs do more damage than 1 1000lb bomb and so on

then there are the AP and HC bombs

Photobombs?   








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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: SysError on September 10, 2019, 06:42:18 PM
....

Also, here is a pdf with the totals to destroy each object.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/images/trainers/bombers/levelbombing/levelbombing.pdf

I think  that this is dated stuff.  I.e.

"Radar 1 250 lb    2 hours Kills field radar in a 12.5 mile radius "

Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: DLXIRON on September 18, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
How many 1000lbs bombs does it generally take YOU to drop a vehicle hanger?

In the arena settings it says it should only take three but it generally takes me nine with a very high accuracy hit!  At the same time it generally takes me 12-15 85mm HE rounds to drop the hanger.  Something just doesn’t seem right!

Dougie
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: The Fugitive on September 18, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
How many 1000lbs bombs does it generally take YOU to drop a vehicle hanger?

In the arena settings it says it should only take three but it generally takes me nine with a very high accuracy hit!  At the same time it generally takes me 12-15 85mm HE rounds to drop the hanger.  Something just doesn’t seem right!

Dougie

When in formation I drop 2 from each buff (6 total), the splash damage from the outside buffs of the formation drop the rest of the hanger.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 18, 2019, 04:50:41 PM
In the arena settings it says it should only take three but it generally takes me nine with a very high accuracy hit!  At the same time it generally takes me 12-15 85mm HE rounds to drop the hanger.  Something just doesn’t seem right!

Tank HE rounds do much more damage relative to their size (this is also true for bombs <1000lbs, the smaller it is, the higher the explosive damage/lbs of bomb weight).
I don't have the actual value for the 85mm HE at hand, but the 88mm HE round does 234lb of damage, that's 12 rounds for any hangar.
And unlike tank rounds, most of your bombs don't actually hit the hangar directly, so there's less damage applied than the 1000lb a 1k bomb is rated for.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 18, 2019, 05:56:43 PM
As I remember...dont do tanks very much these days, I got better results on hangers dropping 2 500lb per bomber on a hanger. seemed it was more efficient than 1 1000lb bomb per hanger. I hated the waste of 2 1000 per bomber, yes it works...but its a bit over kill when 2 500s would do it. BIG TIP..for hangers, MAKE SURE you are properly calibrated. For Towns it isnt as much an issue...Throttles to the wall and simple 5 second calibration= success, do that on any hanger= second drop usually
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 18, 2019, 06:02:15 PM
As I remember...dont do tanks very much these days, I got better results on hangers dropping 2 500lb per bomber on a hanger. seemed it was more efficient than 1 1000lb bomb per hanger.

1 1000lb bomb does 1000lb of damage, 2 500lb bombs = 1124lb of damage  :old:
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 18, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
1 1000lb bomb does 1000lb of damage, 2 500lb bombs = 1124lb of damage  :old:
So I remembered something correctly :O  :rock
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
Drop 2 500 and rockets plus a few bullets for vh.

Semp
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Volron on September 18, 2019, 08:53:31 PM
Isn't it like 2800-2900ish for a Hanger? :headscratch:
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Ciaphas on September 18, 2019, 10:50:29 PM
Isn't it like 2800-2900ish for a Hanger? :headscratch:

3 x 500 will do the trick on hangars (FH).


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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 19, 2019, 02:23:06 AM
Isn't it like 2800-2900ish for a Hanger? :headscratch:

2,781.3 lbs. (When in doubt, you can always look up the hardness in the arena settings)

If every bomb hits directly, that's either 2x4k or 2x2k or 3x1k or 5x500 or 9x250 or 18x100
Why 2x4k? Because the 4k bombs in game are limited to HC or LC (same thing) and do only 2344lb of damage





Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Ciaphas on September 19, 2019, 03:19:02 AM
2,781.3 lbs. (When in doubt, you can always look up the hardness in the arena settings)

If every bomb hits directly, that's either 2x4k or 2x2k or 3x1k or 5x500 or 9x250 or 18x100
Why 2x4k? Because the 4k bombs in game are limited to HC or LC (same thing) and do only 2344lb of damage

I'm a bit confused, why can I drop a FH with salvo 1 with 500 lb bombs? (1 drop or 1500 lbs)?


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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 19, 2019, 04:39:29 AM
I'm a bit confused, why can I drop a FH with salvo 1 with 500 lb bombs? (1 drop or 1500 lbs)?

That can only happen when the hangar had been damaged recently (or in a special arena with custom hardness settings).
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Ciaphas on September 19, 2019, 06:38:47 AM
That can only happen when the hangar had been damaged recently (or in a special arena with custom hardness settings).

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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: atlau on September 19, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
Are they 500 *kg* bombs?

3 direct hits with 500 lb bombs dont take down a fresh hangar
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Ciaphas on September 19, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
Are they 500 *kg* bombs?

3 direct hits with 500 lb bombs dont take down a fresh hangar

Well, there is egg on my face now. Yup, it's kg. 500 kg = 1,102.31 lbs.

500 kg = 1,102.31 lbs x 3 = 3,306.93 lbs per drop on a salvo 1 release.

Disregard my previous banter.

Thanks for pointing that out Atlau, I completely spaced the conversion.

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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Zimme83 on September 19, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
2,781.3 lbs. (When in doubt, you can always look up the hardness in the arena settings)

If every bomb hits directly, that's either 2x4k or 2x2k or 3x1k or 5x500 or 9x250 or 18x100
Why 2x4k? Because the 4k bombs in game are limited to HC or LC (same thing) and do only 2344lb of damage

While not listed as a 4k bomb the German 1800kg (almost exactly 4000lbs) bomb is able to destroy a hangar. Their 1000kg AP is also able to do it. Back in the days i used a Ju-87 with the 1000kg AP + 2x250kg for attacking GV bases and ports. 1000kg on the VH and the 250kg:s for vehicles.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Zimme83 on September 19, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
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Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 19, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
While not listed as a 4k bomb the German 1800kg (almost exactly 4000lbs) bomb is able to destroy a hangar.

Indeed.

The SC 1800 is the bomb with the highest damage rating in game, as it is a a GP bomb while it's 4K cousins are LC/HC  (and thus reduced to 75% damage, but with a 25% greater damage radius)  :old:
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: DLXIRON on September 19, 2019, 08:30:07 PM

Well I take back everything I said, I can take down a hanger with three 1000s or six 500s in a Lancaster no problem.  I guess I just never really ever went out without a formation.

Dougie
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: atlau on September 20, 2019, 12:19:39 AM
I swear I've been able to use a single cookie from a Lancaster to kill a hangar.. weird.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: Lusche on September 20, 2019, 05:13:56 AM
I swear I've been able to use a single cookie from a Lancaster to kill a hangar.. weird.

Maybe a long time ago?
Because before the different bomb types were introduced, all bombs were plain GP and the 4K bomb had enough power to kill a hangar.
Title: Re: How much bomb damage to destroy ground targets?
Post by: KayBayRay on October 12, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
<S> All  :salute
Hey thanks for all the great responses. I will look at my clipboard. This was very helpful. I knew I could count on you guys!


See You In The Sky  :cheers: