Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAAMIAM on September 25, 2019, 07:22:33 AM
-
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
-
1. Angle of attack is everything against bombers. A straight 6 attack is never a good idea.
2. Never fly alone, find people to wing with. You'll stay in the air longer.
3. A lot of people have been playing this game for 15+ years. They know every aspect of this game, especially gunnery.
This game is only as fun as you allow it to be. At the end of the day it's your money paying your sub. I wish you the best.
:salute
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Saam you seem to have figured out why I recommend training to all the new players. You might recall a few people warning you about frustration. Aces High is a very difficult game to be successful at and there is much to learn and practice. Trying to be successful with Touch controllers just makes it 10 times harder. You were warned repeatedly. Even with conventional HOTAS controllers it's very challenging.
Rage quitting is just part of Aces High, it's usually see ya in a couple weeks when you miss the good stuff.
The difficulty in AH is why HiTech made War Online:Pacific. It's much easier to be successful there with Touch controllers since the flight model was tweaked to be easier to control.
Blaming the game because you had unrealistic expectations is a mistake. Imagine joining the Marines and telling them you'll train yourself, thank you very much, and in a year you expect to be top Marine.
I still recommend training, and practicing with another newbie. That way two new players can enjoy dueling with a chance of success, and learning to fly together for mutual support will make you more successful in the MA and in scenarios.
-
It took me two full years (despite several years in WB) to fly without embarrassing myself, let alone land kills on a semi-regular basis. Practice, practice, practice and practice again. And what the previous posters said.
See you soon in the air ;)
Best,
Marc
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
-
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
You should ask for help. It’s a brutal game at first but people will assist you, myself included. We can go practice in the Dueling Arena and I’ll let you shoot me down so you can learn angles.
Bombers used to be my nemesis but I kept trying new things and now they are my favorite target. Attack high and fast at a steep angle and you’ll waste them.
Don’t quit. Ask for help. PM me and I’ll meet you in a free to play arena so you can learn the ropes then maul everyone! :banana:
-
"A kill has been recorded."
:t
I admit though, it is way harder now for a noob than it was in 2000. There was a much more varied spectrum of players then so you had a much better chance of running into an enemy that wasn't a hyper-predator multi-decade long ace. Now, that is pretty much all that is left.
Back then, it wasn't often a 15min flight to action, so the launch-shoot-die cycle seemed shorter and the investment cost of dying didn't seem so high. A noob may only get 4 min of combat time in an hour of game-play.
Ditch the touch controllers. That will never be viable in this environment unless you stick to bombers or something. IMHO, there should be a separate arena available for mouse and touch players. It's really not fair to throw them into a pit of 20 year vet velociraptors with full HOTAS. :rofl
$0.02.
-
Don't give up Saam....I have played this game for years and years and the same thing happens to me that happened to you...
Thing of it is...you haven't given the game a chance...I've seen your posts...I highly recommend that you find some guys to fly with...the lone wolf thing doesn't work when you are new...
There are things that I still learn when I play...and I pass down all of my knowledge of the game to my guys...and they pass it on to newer players...its the way this game works...
No....It doesn't matter how long you've played other games or how good you were in other games...this is not them...
Fridays nights (not this Friday night) are FSO nights...I know for fact there are about 20 squads that are looking for Friday night flyers...and you would be a prize pick for one of them...You have played fight sims before...and are interested (were interested) in playing the game...FSO would be a great opportunity for you to pick the brains of other pilots...I'm telling you for certain...what you are experiencing can be remedied by letting someone take you under their wing...and I know for fact those people are out there...if they ain't...I'm sitting right here and can be reached by PM or email...I'll show you what the game is all about...
Sorry you feel this way... :salute
-
Hang in there. I have almost been here a year, this November I think, and I still get humbled, frustrated but enjoy the intense fights. I, like you, played a previous flight sim. Ended up being top 5 there when flying a lot and top 10 when just flying a few nights a week. Here, haha top 350 or however that rating thing works. Not really interested in points here now but those you see landing all those kills play 5 to 6 nights a week and have been here a long time and know everything we are still trying to learn. To me it is more about proper flight planning to stay alive. Up a base under attack without a lot of help and yup your vulched. I was a 109 guy forever but in the melee it is too slow so I had to learn faster planes but with that comes a longer flight, more time to grab a beer and autopilot becomes a friend :rofl
I am just now getting comfortable in a 109 in the ma. It took this long to figure out it's convergence, max speed before it lawndarts and angles. Now I am going through gun sites to see what really suits me. It is a brutal game with a learning cliff, there is no curve at all. Perfect example would be last Saturday. I couldn't hit the sky it seemed like. Kills started to appear but no matter what happened I couldn't land one. Just a tough day. So when you think you're on top and getting good well there will be those humbling days to set you straight.
For bmbrs I would get wasted by them all the time. 6 attacks are a no go as are beams. Have to be higher in here, come in at a steep angle and hit where the wings meet (fuel tanks), makes a great fireball but I learned that by flying with a few guys and getting advise. This is where a wingie helps. You diving on 3 bmbrs attracts all the otto, 3 attacking 3 and it is a little less intense.
If you're ever on when I am hit me up and I'll wing with ya and explain what I can. I'm ok but no where near good but I get by from time to time ;)
call signs the same minus the 109
-
ive been playing since 2006 and i still suck at it. dont get frustrated, it just takes awhile. use training try some of the events, it might help you out. monday night madness is a good place to hone your 1V1 skills, as we keep ho-ing to a minimum. i wish you the best but wish you would stick with it a bit longer!! you might be surprised.
-
You will die continually Sam, we all do. The only ones who do not just fly higher or run faster. Keep upping and have some fun bro! :airplane:
-
Obviously years do not necessarily equal experience. This game takes practice to become good. If you do not have time to learn then you are right... this game is not for you.
This game is not one you can just start out on top. If you are willing, there are many folks here that will help you to improve. It does take time.
-
I suggest you keep playing but maybe a little less and only when there are more players on. It is a difficult game and I don't know if you have read up on the theory of dog fighting or not, that can help somewhat but isn't a panacea. I know despite my reading it took somebody pointing out to me that if I kept my nose pointed at the other guy he would have to turn to get me :bhead. If you want to improve bomber gunnery it is easy, just keep upping a set of B17 and fly at 4k to the closest base that has action, don't worry about bombing or landing. As far as the fighter game goes, patience, speed, and help from another player or if they are still available a trainer. The Yak3 is an extremely forgiving plane so you could fly it and then alternate with an f4f Wildcat which is very durable and has lots of bullets but really will require patience and plotting as it doesn't have much power to speak of. Gunnery is my own worst skill, it is hard to get repetitive practice except maybe if you do staged missions. Back in AH2 there was an offline mission that pitted you against successive waves of enme, setting ammo to unlimited and damage to nothing was the best practice I ever had. Now I am too lazy to figure out if I could do that again but maybe it is still an option. My gunnery is pretty amazingly bad and I think it is probably 90% of what makes a successful virtual fighter pilot but I still manage to have fun despite the embarrassment.
-
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
4 months is just a drop in the bucket SAAM. Like everyone else has said, dont give up, look for help. One way would be to film your sorties (ALT, R to start and stop film recording). I start mine as Im getting to the action and turn it off when I get sent to the tower :) Upload your film to a hosting site, there are a number of free ones still around, and post a link to it on the message boards. Guys here will look it over and give you tips and point out your mistakes for you. An angle your using for a guns run make look good to you, but these guys with all the experience can tell you if it is a good angle or not and more importantly the WHY.
Learning to gage how much energy/speed another guy is carrying is another thing that takes time to figure out but again the guys with the experiance here can watch a film and tell you "look at this point, you can see blah blah blah" to help teach you what to look for.
Dont give up, you said you love this game. If it was easy everyone would play it for 10 minutes get a bunch of kills get bored and leave. The challenge is what makes it fun. Be happy with getting in the fight, the kills will come later. Remember, each and every one of these "killers" flew just as you are now. EVERYONE!
-
I, like you, played a previous flight sim. Ended up being top 5 there when flying a lot and top 10 when just flying a few nights a week. Here, haha top 350 or however that rating thing works.
I think you hit SAAMIAM's issue with this. When AW died and we all came here, I saw the same thing happen to a few of the really top AW players. Suddenly they weren't at the top any more, and, having been there once, were extra-frustrated that they couldn't get right back there again. Some of them stuck with the new flight model. Some dropped out. In a way, it was easier for those of us who had been average players (OK, OK, and us below-average players, too).
We set our own satisfaction requirements. Mine are centered on having good fights; winning those is nice if and when it happens, but usually I don't. Having those fights has kept me happy for quite a few years. We have other people who are satisfied to improve/maintain their ranks; still others who want to amass kills; a group willing to sacrifice individual score if it helps their teams win the war; and people who just want to fly in company with their friends. If your satisfaction depends on getting kills within the first year of playing a new game, you're not going to be happy. That's just a cold, ugly fact.
- oldman
-
And forget about score for now, it is not a good indicator. Later maybe set a score goal in one category and try that. Good luck.
-
The essence of the problem is the lack of players. If he had some more less skillful people to shoot down he might feel good about himself and stay but he finds himself on the receiving end of it instead due to the number of really good sticks here.
-
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT9DPlAUKTl1GeZjC8/giphy.gif)
-
Ok, so tbh, I feel like a coward having written this thread and giving up. Marines never walk away from a fight. Never give up. I've always dominated every game or sin that I've played. And I understand the training diddly you mentioning you understand it takes time to master planes and understand the characteristics of each one I guess that I am very good at that always have been. At this stage with the level of play that all of you exhibit , No amount of training will fast track player up to your level than six months maybe not even a year. And I know this because this is the level of play I played it in other games. There is no substitute for 15 years of gameplay. And I realize that. After all I'm a dog fighter, I've been for a long time Which is why ...........
I'm going back to playing war online Pacific. And since it is still a new and unknown game in the VR world with very little gameplay I'm going to make that game my Personal shark tank. LOL
So if you consider yourself a good dog fighter and maybe you shut me down 25 times consecutively because I would not give up the bass runway how are you shut me down with these in a dog fight with your perked up plans and Excalibur skills. If you think you're all that and a bag of chips and you have ER then come on over to Sam shortcake I mean I mean I mean what online Pacific . Everybody starts on a level playing field you get a P 40 and Japanese zero to start with.The only way to get the other planes is to earn them by shooting other people down. Sure it's different slightly from aces high with no blackouts higher stall limits a P 40 that does 360 at the gate and a jab zero that turns on a speck of a dime little bit faster gameplay but he's the physics of flying on the same. I'm just curious if you are really that good or if it's just having 15 years and in that environment.
so I guess this is me calling you out if you're really that good and you have your dinner come on over to the NASCAR of dogfighting where everybody's on a level playing field everybody's got to start over from scratch and earn their planes again. I'm just thinking maybe maybe I might get a few more kills maybe you'll find it I'm a little bit more skill than you thought it was or maybe no we kick your bellybutton there too Saam.. At any rate if you want to fly with me or against me or do you want to do some good dog fighting a shark tank then come and see me on WOP if not I'll be over there shooting down Ai
Again super reiterating that the community of the pilots over here nothing but good good dude man and it's been an absolute pleasure flying with you and against you and I hope to see you in war online
-
The essence of the problem is the lack of players. If he had some more less skillful people to shoot down he might feel good about himself and stay but he finds himself on the receiving end of it instead due to the number of really good sticks here.
More players would be nice but as it is you can't expect the newbies to find each other in the MA. It's better if they train together and duel each other. You don't need a full arena for that and you don't even need a paid account. You just need two new players who both want to learn and have fun doing it.
Knowing what to practice and practicing with a peer is the best way to learn while having some success. So training first, to know what to practice, then practice basics with a player at your level. Then learn to work together because that's what works best in air combat.
-
Saam I shot you down in WO:P, I was flying a shade account. I've been mentioning training to you ever since. :aok
If it will help I'll shoot you down some more. :D
I understand your frustration but you're ignoring a lot of good advice.
-
Ok, so tbh, I feel like a coward having written this thread and giving up. Marines never walk away from a fight. Never give up. I've always dominated every game or sin that I've played. And I understand the training diddly you mentioning you understand it takes time to master planes and understand the characteristics of each one I guess that I am very good at that always have been. At this stage with the level of play that all of you exhibit , No amount of training will fast track player up to your level than six months maybe not even a year. And I know this because this is the level of play I played it in other games. There is no substitute for 15 years of gameplay. And I realize that. After all I'm a dog fighter, I've been for a long time Which is why ...........
I'm going back to playing war online Pacific. And since it is still a new and unknown game in the VR world with very little gameplay I'm going to make that game my Personal shark tank. LOL
So if you consider yourself a good dog fighter and maybe you shut me down 25 times consecutively because I would not give up the bass runway how are you shut me down with these in a dog fight with your perked up plans and Excalibur skills. If you think you're all that and a bag of chips and you have ER then come on over to Sam shortcake I mean I mean I mean what online Pacific . Everybody starts on a level playing field you get a P 40 and Japanese zero to start with.The only way to get the other planes is to earn them by shooting other people down. Sure it's different slightly from aces high with no blackouts higher stall limits a P 40 that does 360 at the gate and a jab zero that turns on a speck of a dime little bit faster gameplay but he's the physics of flying on the same. I'm just curious if you are really that good or if it's just having 15 years and in that environment.
so I guess this is me calling you out if you're really that good and you have your dinner come on over to the NASCAR of dogfighting where everybody's on a level playing field everybody's got to start over from scratch and earn their planes again. I'm just thinking maybe maybe I might get a few more kills maybe you'll find it I'm a little bit more skill than you thought it was or maybe no we kick your bellybutton there too Saam.. At any rate if you want to fly with me or against me or do you want to do some good dog fighting a shark tank then come and see me on WOP if not I'll be over there shooting down Ai
Again super reiterating that the community of the pilots over here nothing but good good dude man and it's been an absolute pleasure flying with you and against you and I hope to see you in war online
Yes most of these guys are THAT good. They will most likely clean your clock in WOP too. Thats why I think you should post some films of your fights. The timing, flight model is all different in this game. What you think your doing right in here may very well be WAYYYYYY off and so you get shot down. Fly a few more flights, film them and post them so we can see what your doing.
I doubt very much that very many of these guys will fly in WOP tho FLS seems to be willing to kick your butt :devil Even if your the best shark in that tank, you will most likely still be a minnow in Aces High unles you stick it out like the rest of and get good at it.
-
Honestly, the fixation on winning every fight is unhealthy. The frustration of losing every fight is manageable. Winning and losing fights is normal. And, there's always bombing (just don't make a habit of bailing rather than gunning). :D
I never could really understand players that let being shot down in this game get to them or players that could only interact via their egos (it really is just a game, man - a really challenging/pretending to be a WWII combat pilot game). As stated by many, AH is full of good sticks.
What it needs are more good players (yes, there's a difference). :cheers:
-
I am on a lil during the day. Hit me up if you want to go learn. I learned a lot from shida who I regard as one of the finest and BEST pilot in the game during my three years here. Also got whooped on by cmex for three weeks straight who again is one of the best in the game and pulls no punches for new guys, which is what you need to learn. My first year in this game I got clobbered which made me want to fight harder. Don’t give up this easy.
Also get a stick even a cheap stick is better than those touch controls. I fly vr and tried those controllers for ten mins and removed the batteries and put them back in the box.
Just don’t give up that easy. These suckers are easy targets.
-
I find this guy comical. He doesn't take the time to learn.... so he wants everyone to go get on training wheels.
I would have been glad to help you here. You kind of burned that bridge with your huffy little attitude. Go get your floaties on and play WOP.
If you decide to learn and improve yourself instead of depending on easy game mode... come back and start over. Leave the attitude at the door.
This is a really good game that just simply takes practice. That takes time. You can improve quicker with help.... many here would be glad to help.
A lot of the time it has to do with breaking bad habits learned from easy games.
-
Shuffler, you mean `ol meanie, you. :D
-
Shuffler, you mean `ol meanie, you. :D
HEY... I resemble that remark :D
-
::snip::
Take Care
Saam
Take care Saamiam, it was fun fighting against you and with you.
-
Why haven't you joined a squad? There are over a dozen MA and FSO squads that can take you under their wing.
-
And forget about score for now, it is not a good indicator. Later maybe set a score goal in one category and try that. Good luck.
THIS.
Compete with YOURSELF, not others. Get better in steps.
I learned how to survive first. Learn to keep your energy and be able to extend (RUN). Dip your toe in the water a little at a time, then as you get more familiar with the dynamics of the game you can put yourself into more and more difficult positions as you learn.
Dueling is also good practice. I'll go with you any time, just PM me here.
-
Why haven't you joined a squad? There are over a dozen MA and FSO squads that can take you under their wing.
This can help a lot! Your squaddies would help you learn more quickly, as well as cover your butt in fights (especially if you help cover theirs).
-
Yeah Saam! Go get you a squad to fly with! The AKs or pigs on the wings would be great ones. You will learn a tremendous amount. Joining a squad in the MA helped me learn so much I did not know about ACM, Jaboing, winging, and bombing. You will be surprised. I'd also recommend just getting a Joystick. Would probably help you a lot. Then once youve gotten the hang of it,go back to the sticks.
Of course this game is too hard! Thats the fun of it! Even I rage quit and talk trash and curse Hitech :D but it's the thrill of it that keeps me here.
Keep working at it! Pretty soon you will laugh at this thread.
-
Honestly, the fixation on winning every fight is unhealthy. The frustration of losing every fight is manageable. Winning and losing fights is normal. And, there's always bombing (just don't make a habit of bailing rather than gunning). :D
). :cheers:
I like to win and enter every fight to win but im also understanding of situational awareness, pilot ability ect.. ect.. ect..
I am also very much a sponge to my environment and take every opportunity to learn that I can.. I do pay attention to every bit of advice and do my best to implement in the field...
I know you all understand my frustrations to some extent. But can't fully appreciate what im ezperiencing.. i know this now. You see, I can remember when Ace Combat 6 had turned 5 years old. The community had shrunk to about 300 die hard players. We were all professional elite level players by then, every plane, every weapon system, every map, every square cm committed to memory and every person in the community had played since day one and everyplayer was elite level. I remember noobs coming in and getting thrashed.. I too would offer training, hints, tricks ect.. ect.. but nothing replaces years of playing at the highest levels. I also remember trying to encourage the new players to stick it out, I understood them.. but not fully. Not until I experienced the side of being the noob fully..
You are all the best in the game.. every one of you and better still, you are all excellent human beings, genuinely good people.. I am a hard charger, but also very calculating and I love this game already... but... getting pummeled by every player in every plane, vehicle, field gun, ect.. ect.. in every sortie would demoralize Patton himself!!
I will still jump in AH and try my skills, join the graveyard guns for some rapid base acquisition at 3am but I am going to take the opportunity to help Mr. Hitech take WOP to the next level, help it grow and develop into the sickest Shark Tank in VR.. Hell, maybe Ill even organize the AcesLeagues World Cup Dogfighting Championship 2020, Partner with the US Air Force, Nvidia and kickstart a $100,000 prize pool or something..
at worst, I will begin immediately building my Legacy and Raise the BlackSheepAries flag atop Mt Emilimen and create my Legend!!
Come shoot me down.... if ya can when the field is equalized and pure pilot skill is the only advantage...
you guys all kick ass... and thank you from the heart for all the encouraging words!!
God Bless,
SAAM
-
I never could really understand players that let being shot down in this game get to them or players that could only interact via their egos (it really is just a game, man - a really challenging/pretending to be a WWII combat pilot game). As stated by many, AH is full of good sticks.
What it needs are more good players (yes, there's a difference). :cheers:
Its not the getting shot down part that sent me into raging angry depression.. I can deal with getting shot down.. It is the absolute and instant failure every single time i get to the fight and engage.. every tactic, defensive or offensive, everything i try.. instant failure with the result of having to take off again, climb out again, fly across a couple grids, consider who I will engage.. All that takes time, 10 to 15 minutes just to get shot down by some miraculas bullet to the chest and boom n zoom.. I cant last more than 1 to 3 minutes once on station..
WOP is a VR only game and im sure Ill be alone for now but it wont be long before the tank starts filling up.. also.. I really really really like flying a P40 that flys like a Spit16..
Final Note.. I have the Warthog HOTAS. I use it for AC7, IL2, And Hawx(back in the day).
Im going to stick with using the Touch Controllers.. The range of motion needed in a real plane is far greater than the HOTAS can provide when flying a spit of pony or like.. those sticks are better suited for modern aircraft type sims... the touch makes me feel i am holding the actual flight stick..
See ya in the skies..
-
SAAMIAM, if you are still reading this topic, I extend you this offer.
Come fly with us in the October scenario Anzio.
I will personally get you up to speed in it.
Scenarios are a different format from melee. Scenarios are special events themed on actual battles, in this case Anzio (and more specifically Operations Shingle and Strangle). It is Spitfires, P-47's, P-40's, and B-26's vs. 109's and 190's fighting over Italy in early 1944. We have battles that run each Saturday in October, from about 3 pm to 6:45 pm Eastern or so.
I help produce scenarios, and I'm the CO of the allied side in this event. Scenarios are marvelous fun.
If you are interested, reply here or send me a message, and I will give you my cell phone number. We will talk, and I will get you all integrated into this glorious scenario! :aok
Whaddya say? Let's go for it! :aok
PS: This offer is good for all Aces High players, new and old alike. Message me, and I will personally get you going in the next Scenario.
-
I skipped reading all the replys... sounds like every players start.. but I warrant it is tougher now.. many sharks few minnows
its tough but stick at it..its worth it..
solution.. get in a squad, they will teach you stuff..fly with you..talk sheet and banter & watch your six.. and double team someone with you..kills will follow
Good luck and fly high
-
As others have posted, every single one the AH players have gone through what you are experiencing....
"Fight like you Train, Train like you Fight"
I recommend you getting with a Trainer (note: read my signature), and fly 2 or 3 flights against them, so they can evaluate where you are at as well as what you might be doing right or wrong...
Then from there, stick with the Trainer(s) for a good 6 to 8 2 hour training sessions, minimum!
If you can't find a trainer that can commit to this schedule, then PM me and I will make time and take you under my study.... That would be 6 to 8 weeks with 1 2 hour training session per week...
To erased/removed any bad habits, I will take you back to basic BFM
Hope you decide to stick AH out
~S~
TC
-
wop isn't vr only yo
-
Its not the getting shot down part that sent me into raging angry depression.. I can deal with getting shot down.. It is the absolute and instant failure every single time i get to the fight and engage.. every tactic, defensive or offensive, everything i try.. instant failure with the result of having to take off again, climb out again, fly across a couple grids, consider who I will engage.. All that takes time, 10 to 15 minutes just to get shot down by some miraculas bullet to the chest and boom n zoom.. I cant last more than 1 to 3 minutes once on station..
WOP is a VR only game and im sure Ill be alone for now but it wont be long before the tank starts filling up.. also.. I really really really like flying a P40 that flys like a Spit16..
Final Note.. I have the Warthog HOTAS. I use it for AC7, IL2, And Hawx(back in the day).
Im going to stick with using the Touch Controllers.. The range of motion needed in a real plane is far greater than the HOTAS can provide when flying a spit of pony or like.. those sticks are better suited for modern aircraft type sims... the touch makes me feel i am holding the actual flight stick..
See ya in the skies..
WO:P is not VR only. It's adjusted to be more VR friendly than AHIII but you can still use a monitor.
The P-40 flies the same in both games, it won't let you stall in WO:P so you slow down less. You can do the same thing in AH with the stall limiter but then you limit your max turn.
Every calibrated stick has full travel. The physical range of motion is proportional to the length of the stick. A short stick is like grabbing a real stick closer to the base. Since short sticks affect sensitivity, you can scale the stick in AH to get more sensitivity where it's useful. The slight disadvantage of a short stick is less than the disadvantage of not knowing the stick and rudder position by feel. Flying with Touch controllers increases the workload, I think it increases too much even when ACM is second nature. Generally speaking, a player with a joystick will beat an equal player with Touch controllers. I'm not saying don't use them, just don't expect to be your best.
If you prefer WO:P to AHIII that's not a problem. :D
-
monday night madness is a good place to hone your 1V1 skills, as we keep ho-ing to a minimum.
Even if you decide to concentrate on WOP, stop in for Monday Night Madness. It's very fast action in mid-war planes, up close and personal. And, it's all about fun. People change sides to even up the numbers and everyone is on a common vox, so you can easily "congratulate" your opponent. Give it a try -- you'll die laughing. :D
-
The OP does have a valid argument.
When I started this game way WAY back, I sucked of course. BUT! there were plenty of other new players around that sucked just as bad. So, sometimes I’d run into a veteran that would hand me my donut no matter what plane I was in or the advantage I had, but often I would run into players at my level and we had a really stupid low skill dogfight - but I had a chance!
These days a new player will run into extremely experienced players almost exclusively. The steep learning curve got a hell of a lot steeper when the noob population dwindled down.
The other thing that was good for noobs were posted (pickup) missions. They could join a mission, be part of a group and enjoy the guidance and protection of veterans. Just dropping bombs in the general area of the target, giving 6 calls, and feeling like they are part of the veterans gave them a sense of accomplishment - even if they missed all the bombs and didn’t even damage an enemy plane.
Pickup missions have gone extinct. I don’t recall seeing one posted in years.
-
Even if you decide to concentrate on WOP, stop in for Monday Night Madness. It's very fast action in mid-war planes, up close and personal. And, it's all about fun. People change sides to even up the numbers and everyone is on a common vox, so you can easily "congratulate" your opponent. Give it a try -- you'll die laughing. :D
What they said. You’re missing out on some great opportunity for pure fun if you don’t.
-
I can second what Brooke said about scenarios. I did my first one last month, Battle of Britain, hands down much better than melee. Organized missions in squads covering each others 6 and when the fight is on it is in your face on, 10 or more on each side in a furball. The best time I've had so far in AH. Almost seemed like we were all transported back in time on that one. I even said this might have been what it was really like back then, that's how well put together that was.
Friday FSO's are a slimmed down version of a scenario kind of, maybe check those out too. A lot faster paced and surviving is difficult right now for me but I am sure that will change over time. Just have to invest the time in flying different plans but this is the best game I've ever flown in. Right now I use melee to refine convergence and test jabo attacks, bmr runs or help capture a field. More of a proving grounds for me than an organized battle. My whole goal there is to survive, launch find a fight, get some hits or a kill and rtb to land. That is a successful mission to me there.
Guess I might have to stop in this coming Monday and check that out. Seems like a good time.
Hope to see ya in the scenarios saam.
-
Even if you decide to concentrate on WOP, stop in for Monday Night Madness. It's very fast action in mid-war planes, up close and personal. And, it's all about fun. People change sides to even up the numbers and everyone is on a common vox, so you can easily "congratulate" your opponent. Give it a try -- you'll die laughing. :D
OK everyone laughs when I hit a tree or one of those tall buildings..... we know who you are talking about. The 38J auger king.
I am a little different. I started out good, got worse, then was off a year when my home flooded. I came back and now I fly so bad that some folks think my call sign has been hijacked.
Bottom line have fun, stick with it..... and know you keep living and getting new planes with all their parts.
-
Find a some friends to fly with, it will help you tons. I still remember the guys i got in with about 20 years back. Once you are taught a few things, you can fine tune them, and watching yourself progress is half the fun.
-
I saw you were on Knights side last night, SAAIAM. I'm a noob also but I keep trying to learn. It was good to see that you were on. Keep at it and don't be discouraged. Many times dying just keeps me motivated to analyze what I need to do, and learn the reasons of why and what happened. You have stated in previous posts about being STA Marine, so I truly believe you know that patience, observation, and tenacity, in the face of overwhelming force is key. Also, as many have said in their posts, training and squad mates are a big plus in getting further along. When it comes to this game, as in Real Life, I go by the saying "you don't know what you don't know". So take heed of the knowledge and generous time of those that have come before you. Always Faithful, Always Forward :salute
-
This game for me was\is a dream come true. Well modeled WWII planes in a community of nuts like me. I loved the game from the start even though I only got 1 kill for every 5-10 deaths. I accepted from the get-go it is not an arcade. I also saw others were getting kills and I saw myself, in time, being able to do what they were doing.
Small changes go a long way (already well documented in this thread). This game is worth the investment!!!
One preference though are those vets that sill need to fly perk planes 90% of the time (maybe cuz they have to be perceived as having a high score = good???). I CHALLENGE you vets to fly average planes. This also gives newbies a better chance. :old:
In either case GO AH!
EDIT: For newbies I recommend flying using Oswald Boelcke Rules of Air Combat to be quickly efective. Dont be intimidated to flying a P-47 like a zero and the like. Its OK for you to fly the way YOU choose to fly.
Some Oswald Boelcke Rules:
1. Make sure you attain a position of advantage when in air combat (speed, altitude, numerical superiority, position), before you attack.
2. Fly from out of the sun.
3. When you start an attack, prosecute it to the end.
4. Fire the machine gun at close range and only when you have your opponent well in your sights.
5. Go after the opponent from where he cannot see you.
6. If you are attacked by an opponent diving on you from above, do not try to dodge the attack, but turn into and toward the attacker.
7. If you find yourself over enemy lines, always keep an eye toward your own direction of retreat.
and.. Have Fun!
-
Ah see I learned something new today. I didn't follow rule 9 in the last FSO I flew. Makes sense now why I died. Followed my wingie down and we both engaged the same plane when there were two cons and the 2nd one got me because I was way out of position to do anything. I'll chalk that one up to a dur factor :bhead
-
Dicta boelte rules are frown upon in the game.
semp
-
Damnit men!! How the hell can I walk away from a community this kick ass?? I love this game as I love all air combat games ( the cool ones anyways).. I'll stay... you all convinced me..
As for joining a squad, I wont commit to anything until I have had the opportunity to fly with and against everyone.. As I started a Rook, i will probably end up a rook.. Just started with the Knights and in January Ill switch to the Bish boys..
Thanks Everyone for the encouragement and tips.. I guess going from being third best in the world in one flight combat game to absolute worst in another is a bit more of a challenge than I thought..
Wardog... Semper Fi brother.. Thank you for the reminder.. Most folks these days don't even know what a STA Marine is since we got disbanded in 96.
FLS, Im sticking with the touch controllers.. love flying with them.. for me its just a whole new level of immersion.. And the P-40 in WOP is definately quicker and has a higher top speed.. Also the A6 Zeek turns better in WOP and I'm guessing you were "BrittGuy" i squared up against the other day.. if it was you, then you know I shot you down 4 to 1... maybe it wasnt you, I know you are much better than that..
Also.. sorry for the Mistake, I thought WOP was VR only.. so then there is no excuse for you killers with perk planes to come fight me in a bone stock plane?? Hehehe..
Maybe as a change of pace or a taste of something different you guys can come to WOP one night a week for some shark tank action.. It is such a small arena that if even just 10 or 20 of you were in there it would be stupid fun..
we could call it Nasty NASCAR Nights!! (I say Nascar because when you start in WOP you get 2 planes.. A P40 and a jap zero..
Anyway.. lets consider this thread closed and go blow some toejam up!!
-
One closing gift.. Here is a video of my favorite Mobile air combat.. WarWings.. enjoy..
https://youtu.be/fSUwb5yUJrU
-
Gald you're back in SAAM! :aok :salute
-
SAAMIAM, please remember scenarios and this offer -- it is good any time into the future as well. :aok
SAAMIAM, if you are still reading this topic, I extend you this offer.
-
Just remember a good squad won't take you right away, they would want to fly with them and see if you fit with their style and you agree with their style. Other than that nothing wrong with asking a squad to fly with them.
semp
-
I will offer a tip or two if I see you online SAAM.
-
Yay SAAM!
-
FLS, Im sticking with the touch controllers.. love flying with them.. for me its just a whole new level of immersion.. And the P-40 in WOP is definately quicker and has a higher top speed.. Also the A6 Zeek turns better in WOP and I'm guessing you were "BrittGuy" i squared up against the other day.. if it was you, then you know I shot you down 4 to 1... maybe it wasnt you, I know you are much better than that..
You've never shot me down, not that it's particularly difficult, but you'll get another chance. :aok
If you want to compare the P-40 and Zeke from WO:P you should probably have the stall limiter on in AH. It's probably good to have it on anyway flying with Touch controllers. Even though it limits your lift it also limits your induced drag so you slow down less as you maneuver. Since turn rate is reduced when you get too slow, you may find yourself turning better with the limiter on, since it prevents you from pulling too much pitch and creating too much drag.
-
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
Im sorry to hear you feel this way, I think you are a very good guy and a good new stick. Im sorry I was hit by wife ack soon after I had you join my vox, with dodge. If you decide to give it another try look me up and I will give you any help I can.
-
:t
I admit though, it is way harder now for a noob than it was in 2000. There was a much more varied spectrum of players then so you had a much better chance of running into an enemy that wasn't a hyper-predator multi-decade long ace. Now, that is pretty much all that is left.
Back then, it wasn't often a 15min flight to action, so the launch-shoot-die cycle seemed shorter and the investment cost of dying didn't seem so high. A noob may only get 4 min of combat time in an hour of game-play.
Ditch the touch controllers. That will never be viable in this environment unless you stick to bombers or something. IMHO, there should be a separate arena available for mouse and touch players. It's really not fair to throw them into a pit of 20 year vet velociraptors with full HOTAS. :rofl
$0.02.
I agree!!
-
Damnit men!! How the hell can I walk away from a community this kick ass?? I love this game as I love all air combat games ( the cool ones anyways).. I'll stay... you all convinced me..
As for joining a squad, I wont commit to anything until I have had the opportunity to fly with and against everyone.. As I started a Rook, i will probably end up a rook.. Just started with the Knights and in January Ill switch to the Bish boys..
Thanks Everyone for the encouragement and tips.. I guess going from being third best in the world in one flight combat game to absolute worst in another is a bit more of a challenge than I thought..
Wardog... Semper Fi brother.. Thank you for the reminder.. Most folks these days don't even know what a STA Marine is since we got disbanded in 96.
FLS, Im sticking with the touch controllers.. love flying with them.. for me its just a whole new level of immersion.. And the P-40 in WOP is definately quicker and has a higher top speed.. Also the A6 Zeek turns better in WOP and I'm guessing you were "BrittGuy" i squared up against the other day.. if it was you, then you know I shot you down 4 to 1... maybe it wasnt you, I know you are much better than that..
Also.. sorry for the Mistake, I thought WOP was VR only.. so then there is no excuse for you killers with perk planes to come fight me in a bone stock plane?? Hehehe..
Maybe as a change of pace or a taste of something different you guys can come to WOP one night a week for some shark tank action.. It is such a small arena that if even just 10 or 20 of you were in there it would be stupid fun..
we could call it Nasty NASCAR Nights!! (I say Nascar because when you start in WOP you get 2 planes.. A P40 and a jap zero..
Anyway.. lets consider this thread closed and go blow some toejam up!!
Awesome!!! I hate to see guys leave due to the learning curve. I know as all of these other guys know, that it is worth it.
Again, if you dont want to spend time with a trainer, the next best thing is to film your fights and post them here. You dont need to edit them down or convert them to youtube. Just post them here and let these guys tell you what you did right, as well as what you did wrong.
The same goes for anyone looking to get better. Many times you'll reach a point where you seem to stall and not get any better. These guys are great at pointing out tips of where you can get over those humps and start getting better again.
SAAM, when you get to Bishops, hook up with us Pigs. Fun bunch of guys that like to fly together a break stuff.
-
one thing you also have to remember that it's not about kills, but helping others capture a base. I love to play bait and deceit, I have kept players away from town talking about 1v1 on 200, while 2 bombers white flag it and there's an m3 nearby, made half attempts to kill them then I see a couple of others coming trying to bring me down to shut me up. then base is taken. that for me counts more than if I had killed all of them, because if I had maybe one of them would have actually gone to the town and kill the m3.
anyway, I have fun my way. some others think that kill everything they see is their way of having fun. neither is wrong the way I see it.
semp
-
Its too bad I discovered this game just this year. It is not a fun game to play. Not for me or any other new player that comes into the game. It is a sad truth that the community of players that play Aces High now will be the only players to ever play the game now.
A new player simply has no chance to experience good, fun gameplay. Even for a player with 20yrs flight game experience will only find frustration in this game. There is no opportunity to learn considering that, after flying for 15 minutes just to get to a base under fire, the new player will instantly get shot down. If he trys to spawn at a battlepoint he will just get spawn raped.
The level of play within the existing community is such that any new player has a zero chance for success or even a bit of enjoyment. If I am in a fighter bearing down on a bomber, the bomber will shoot me down before i even get a shot off.. If I am in the bomber, I will get shot down before I can even get in the turret to shoot at him! If I get above a guy, be in a faster plane and have better guns, he will climb into me and shoot me down with one pass, one burst and im shot down.. but if i get on his six, i waste all my ammo and still not shoot him down..
if i am attacking the ackack, then he mans the gun and shoots me down.. Put me in a field Gun and he shoots me down...
Not is any single scenario wherein I know I have tactical advantage, better aircraft, better weapons, i still find myself getting shot down by a single pass regardless of what they are in. Spawn, fly for 10 to 15 minutes all alone just to arrive and get shot down within 1 minute of engaging.. and repeat. Continually. By everybody.
I had high hopes for this game. Its just too bad that after 4 months of continous play, I am no closer to being even mildly effective that i was when i played it the first time.
You guys are some real good folks and I appreciate your acceptance of me, but for me, video games are therapy for my ptsd and there is not a single enjoyable thing about Aces High for me or any other new player.
Its just a relative statement of truth. No player can or will diminish his own skill to make it more welcoming to any new player.
Take Care
Saam
Everything he has said happens to me repeatedly and Im a AW2 vet. I dont know where this training is that everyone is talking about. I think maybe 1 night /week with structured training would help. Fighters for me? forget it, Im just fodder. Even in bombers I got chewed up this week from a mustang, 1K out that chewed up 2 birds on his first pass. I never thought this was possible. I feel Sam's pain
-
For the mustang issue, yeah it's possible, although I can't shoot that well to do it in one pass. I know 1 person that can easily do that and has a few weeks ago. When in a pony and we see bmbrs we start to drool a bit. 3 passes and I should have them all cleared out but one, that's for the guys that have been here a long time.
Kind of why I am going back to 109's or corsairs or some other plane that isn't all speed, shoot em down easy to use. Tougher to be successful in them but just as fun in a fight.
-
Everything he has said happens to me repeatedly and Im a AW2 vet. I dont know where this training is that everyone is talking about. I think maybe 1 night /week with structured training would help. Fighters for me? forget it, Im just fodder. Even in bombers I got chewed up this week from a mustang, 1K out that chewed up 2 birds on his first pass. I never thought this was possible. I feel Sam's pain
Go here, click the link (which brings you back to the "Help and Training" section of the boards) There is a list of players who have volunteered to help train. Request some help and they will hook you up with one of the trainers that work in the area you want to learn more about.
Its pretty painless.
-
For the mustang issue, yeah it's possible, although I can't shoot that well to do it in one pass. I know 1 person that can easily do that and has a few weeks ago. When in a pony and we see bmbrs we start to drool a bit. 3 passes and I should have them all cleared out but one, that's for the guys that have been here a long time.
Kind of why I am going back to 109's or corsairs or some other plane that isn't all speed, shoot em down easy to use. Tougher to be successful in them but just as fun in a fight.
The problem with the Mustang is it lures you into thinking it is a turn fighter. It’s biggest weakness is an inability to accelerate in level flight. Once you get to the bottom of the pile you better not be slow, generally speaking, because it takes forever to get your energy back.
The LA-7 is a good trainer they say. It is faster than anything it can’t outturn and can outturn anything it can’t outrun. Below 8K it’s probably the best plane in the game.
-
The problem with the Mustang is it lures you into thinking it is a turn fighter. It’s biggest weakness is an inability to accelerate in level flight. Once you get to the bottom of the pile you better not be slow, generally speaking, because it takes forever to get your energy back.
The LA-7 is a good trainer they say. It is faster than anything it can’t outturn and can outturn anything it can’t outrun. Below 8K it’s probably the best plane in the game.
the weaknes of the pony is that people expect you to run away, but once in a while somebody gets tricked and you slow down and nail them. gotten many a p38, zero's and other slow planes. dont do it all the time but it's fun to do it once in a while.
semp
-
the weaknes of the pony is that people expect you to run away, but once in a while somebody gets tricked and you slow down and nail them. gotten many a p38, zero's and other slow planes. dont do it all the time but it's fun to do it once in a while.
semp
I find that when I try to fly the p51 to its strength, ppl often mistake "extending" for "running". Course that works in my favor, they're surprised when they see me on their 6, becuz they thought I was not coming back.
-
If the P51 lives long enough, I generally see them moving away and not coming back.
I had one the other day that I chased after killing the incoming buffs. He ran several times and I turned off to see if I could get him to re-engage. He did and was shot down. Afterward he texted laughing that they had captured my base. I told him it was not my base. I only took off there to kill red icons. There are many bases to take off from.
So he had fun and I had fun. Both of us doing what we like best in the game.
-
If the P51 lives long enough, I generally see them moving away and not coming back.
I had one the other day that I chased after killing the incoming buffs. He ran several times and I turned off to see if I could get him to re-engage. He did and was shot down. Afterward he texted laughing that they had captured my base. I told him it was not my base. I only took off there to kill red icons. There are many bases to take off from.
So he had fun and I had fun. Both of us doing what we like best in the game.
Yeah, but then you run into a 51 like mine and we wind up having a hell of a knife fight. :cheers:
-
I find that when I try to fly the p51 to its strength, ppl often mistake "extending" for "running". Course that works in my favor, they're surprised when they see me on their 6, becuz they thought I was not coming back.
Exactly. When I reverse on a Spit behind me with Flaps Two I can see their eyes bug out. :eek:
-
I never could really understand players that let being shot down in this game get to them
-
You've never shot me down, not that it's particularly difficult, but you'll get another chance. :aok
If you want to compare the P-40 and Zeke from WO:P you should probably have the stall limiter on in AH. It's probably good to have it on anyway flying with Touch controllers. Even though it limits your lift it also limits your induced drag so you slow down less as you maneuver. Since turn rate is reduced when you get too slow, you may find yourself turning better with the limiter on, since it prevents you from pulling too much pitch and creating too much drag.
FLS!! I could kiss you!! My brain had the stall limiter functions completely backwards!!! LOL..
100,000 cool points to you for the lightbulb moment tip-of the day in my quest for top gun!!
Also want to mention another lightbulb tip i received by a fine fine gent!! If you actively avoid a collision, you will not collide!!
-
Patience pays off. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/8QDaStG.png)
-
:t
Ditch the touch controllers. That will never be viable in this environment unless you stick to bombers or something. IMHO, there should be a separate arena available for mouse and touch players. It's really not fair to throw them into a pit of 20 year vet velociraptors with full HOTAS. :rofl
$0.02.
I don't fully agree brother. I have full HOTAS And have used it (with other setups) being like you.. A multiDecade Ace Killer.. I feel the touch controllers will rapidly improve as the tracking capabilities improves..
If you sit in a real P40, Spit, Pony or other, you will see that the range of movement for a fly by wire flight stick has in like 12 to 18 inches.. wayyyyy outside the range of a HOTAS. What is interesting is that high tech did a fantastic job in simulating that a specific range of motion using the touch controller very very closely matches how an aircraft would react with set amount of deflection applied to a flight stick in real life.. And its the same thing with the yoke in a B25 or MOSSY.. Yes in reality physically I'm holding a touch controller in each hand but in game in virtual reality after 15 minutes of lFlying the brain actually think you are holding that piece of equipment. If using a mouse and keyboard or hot bellybutton gives you an advantage then that means I have to work that much harder to overcome that advantage and beat you. Not used paci flying the brain actually think you are holding that piece of equipment. If using a mouse and keyboard or hot bellybutton gives you an advantage then that means I have to work that much harder to overcome that advantage and beat you. Not you specifically... lol
-
Patience pays off. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/8QDaStG.png)
Best advice evr
-
Try your HOTAS with VR if you can. You might be surprised. I understand your immersion point but I get the same thing with a HOTAS. The more relevant point is performance. Preferring Touch controllers is fine, but you might compare them to your HOTAS to be sure, since everybody using VR in AH is telling you it's a good idea.
-
I don't fully agree brother. I have full HOTAS And have used it (with other setups) being like you.. A multiDecade Ace Killer.. I feel the touch controllers will rapidly improve as the tracking capabilities improves..
If you sit in a real P40, Spit, Pony or other, you will see that the range of movement for a fly by wire flight stick has in like 12 to 18 inches.. wayyyyy outside the range of a HOTAS. What is interesting is that high tech did a fantastic job in simulating that a specific range of motion using the touch controller very very closely matches how an aircraft would react with set amount of deflection applied to a flight stick in real life.. And its the same thing with the yoke in a B25 or MOSSY.. Yes in reality physically I'm holding a touch controller in each hand but in game in virtual reality after 15 minutes of lFlying the brain actually think you are holding that piece of equipment. If using a mouse and keyboard or hot bellybutton gives you an advantage then that means I have to work that much harder to overcome that advantage and beat you. Not used paci flying the brain actually think you are holding that piece of equipment. If using a mouse and keyboard or hot bellybutton gives you an advantage then that means I have to work that much harder to overcome that advantage and beat you. Not you specifically... lol
If you add an extension to your stick and mount it lower you will get that "full throw" your looking for. Some stick even have them available to do this.
-
Yeah, but then you run into a 51 like mine and we wind up having a hell of a knife fight. :cheers:
Exactly.... hence why I said "generally" and not every time. :aok
:salute
-
Exactly.... hence why I said "generally" and not every time. :aok
:salute
I knew that. :P
:salute
-
the weaknes of the pony is that people expect you to run away, but once in a while somebody gets tricked and you slow down and nail them. gotten many a p38, zero's and other slow planes. dont do it all the time but it's fun to do it once in a while.
semp
Absolutely. The problem is when their friends show up after you’ve been beaten down on energy. Never a fun spot.
-
Absolutely. The problem is when their friends show up after you’ve been beaten down on energy. Never a fun spot.
I still remember the time back in MW that I was in a Goon and was found by two ponies. I started maneuvering. After about 10 minutes of white knuckles, both had angered. I landed 2 ponies kills in a goon.
-
I still remember the time back in MW that I was in a Goon and was found by two ponies. I started maneuvering. After about 10 minutes of white knuckles, both had angered. I landed 2 ponies kills in a goon.
:rofl
#Idiots
-
If you add an extension to your stick and mount it lower you will get that "full throw" your looking for. Some stick even have them available to do this.
:joystick: or :banana: stick :bolt:
-
Hey SAAMIAM. Glad to hear you're sticking with it.
As an old-timer here I can say that some of us have gotten worse then we were 20 years ago. I know I have. The worse part is realizing you screwed up and that you're gonna pay for it lol. :bhead
-
:t
I admit though, it is way harder now for a noob than it was in 2000. There was a much more varied spectrum of players then so you had a much better chance of running into an enemy that wasn't a hyper-predator multi-decade long ace. Now, that is pretty much all that is left.
Back then, it wasn't often a 15min flight to action, so the launch-shoot-die cycle seemed shorter and the investment cost of dying didn't seem so high. A noob may only get 4 min of combat time in an hour of game-play
Excellent post. I flew for a while around 2000 and had a blast. There were just enough players on my skill level to make it fun. I came back to the game 4-5 years ago only to be welcomed by a condensed number of aces occupying the arena. If not for GV's, I would have cancelled my subscription a long time ago. You can tell people to go to training all day long, but that's not being realistic. Most new players, especially those with busy schedules want to play in the MA right away and learn as they go like most of you did. Unfortunately though, the game environment today makes that nearly impossible.
-
How much is he selling his flightsim stuff for?
-
You can tell people to go to training all day long, but that's not being realistic. Most new players, especially those with busy schedules want to play in the MA right away and learn as they go like most of you did. ...
That's why most players are so easy to beat. I agree that's what people want to do, but it was never a good idea when you can learn in an hour what seems to take years otherwise. The problem is people think they know 80% of ACM, they just need a couple of tips or tricks to round out the "knowledge", when actually they know 8% of ACM, if that, but they might have years of experience picking easy kills they can't get in a fair fight.
-
Due to a meltdown today by OP, I hereby rescind my encouragement. :(
-
Due to a meltdown today by OP, I hereby rescind my encouragement. :(
Second
-
Any film? Asking for a friend. :old:
-
Well he did just go off on HT in another thread regarding the touch controllers that all of us have advised he ditch asap. If he was this high scoring guy in another sim then surely he has a perfectly good hotas setup. His whole immersion is so much better using the touch controllers or less without them is bs. I ditched the hands as soon as I figured out how to. It was cool for about a hop and a half!
If you're flying around looking at how cool your hands look, chances are somebody else that's looking at that cool looking plane in their gunsight is gonna kill ya!
Unless it's me cuz I suck which is long documented!
Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
-
Flying with Touch controllers is very difficult. Which is why every VR user says don't do it in AH III.
I locked up my controls in WO:P the other day, it happens when you move them too fast. Adding damping and deadband can help.When I used a FFB stick I locked the controls in AH once from high speed buffet. That was annoying.
It's also a frustrating game if you don't know all that you think you know.
Fortunately training is available for players who wish to improve. :aok
-
Second
I concur. The motion is passed! :old:
-
Just saw the thread.
Seriously, Sam? You're throwing hissies because your prefer this:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_26d74d4f-d5ff-4e98-b5da-80ef7be3617e?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
Over this:
(https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=85&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F10%2Fhotas-warthog-joystick.jpg&client=amp-blogside-v2&signature=e5fd452a5b8104a56f3f6859ab600ed6eb572021)
?
As 'mega-troll worthy' as this seems, you're getting very close to earning persona non gratis over this kinda stuff.
-
Just saw the thread.
Seriously, Sam? You're throwing hissies because your prefer this:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_26d74d4f-d5ff-4e98-b5da-80ef7be3617e?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
Over this:
(https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=85&image_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2010%2F10%2Fhotas-warthog-joystick.jpg&client=amp-blogside-v2&signature=e5fd452a5b8104a56f3f6859ab600ed6eb572021)
?
As 'mega-troll worthy' as this seems, you're getting very close to earning persona non gratis over this kinda stuff.
He's earned it. Dale is just showing restraint.
-
Saam, you seem to be having some type of melt down.
Don't blame HiTech, because you're trying to play this game with a joypad. Get real dude.
Coogan
-
Coogan where'd you get that crazy idea? :D
SAAM is using Touch controllers, I think the only way to make them user friendly is to attach them to a joystick.
-
Saam, you seem to be having some type of melt down.
Don't blame HiTech, because you're trying to play this game with a joypad. Get real dude.
Coogan
Well, VR touch controllers actually. Gamepad might be easier.
It's cool tech, but I couldn't fly that way all the time.
Maybe bombers or GV.
I could see it being cool with bombers to get all realistic and flip all the switches. You fly in auto a lot so it is not so bad.
-
Coogan where'd you get that crazy idea? :D
SAAM is using Touch controllers, I think the only way to make them user friendly is to attach them to a joystick.
:rofl Maybe a racing wheel will work better for him...
-
Due to a meltdown today by OP, I hereby rescind my encouragement. :(
3rd. Tried to help and wing this weekend but I don't think pm's show up in the VR stuff or what happened. But when you fly into a 3 on 1 over a con base results are usually bad. Together it might have worked out better but we'll never know. Oh well.
-
3rd. Tried to help and wing this weekend but I don't think pm's show up in the VR stuff or what happened. But when you fly into a 3 on 1 over a con base results are usually bad. Together it might have worked out better but we'll never know. Oh well.
Once he acted the way he did earlier in the thread, I said what I knew was the issue... he is the issue. I weas pretty much quiet since as I knew he would stick his head up there again.
He is just a kid who thinks he is much better than he is. We all know that you never know it all... as soon as you think so, you are the dumbest thing on earth.
-
The biggest problem with Touch for me is the lack of feedback on stick and rudder position because the physical movement isn't limited. We have the stick graphic to help with that but it's not as useful as feeling it. Younger people may have a different experience but I find that maneuvering while watching the bandit is easier with a HOTAS.
-
The biggest problem with Touch for me is the lack of feedback on stick and rudder position because the physical movement isn't limited. We have the stick graphic to help with that but it's not as useful as feeling it. Younger people may have a different experience but I find that maneuvering while watching the bandit is easier with a HOTAS.
I wonder how it would be if you had something to give you proper motion? My first rough idea is say, a 3 foot plunger with something on top to make it easier to find sitting between your legs. Or do we need to wait for hand tracking to get ubiquitous?
Wiley.
-
FLS add to that, at least with the ones with the Rift S, there have been some issues with them lagging. The last couple of updates have straightened out a good bit of it but I don't think it's exactly right yet. So that isn't helping him but that's yet another great reason to ditch them until they're right. And that's not a HTC thing.
FWIW I hardly use them unless messing with air car or something actually oculus as that's the interface for that.
Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
-
I wonder how it would be if you had something to give you proper motion? My first rough idea is say, a 3 foot plunger with something on top to make it easier to find sitting between your legs. Or do we need to wait for hand tracking to get ubiquitous?
Wiley.
I think you can just stabilize your hand and reset the center position but I'm too set in my old ways so I mentioned attachment to the joystick. In my case it's extended and center mounted so it's similar to a plunger stuck to the floor. :joystick:
-
FLS add to that, at least with the ones with the Rift S, there have been some issues with them lagging. The last couple of updates have straightened out a good bit of it but I don't think it's exactly right yet. So that isn't helping him but that's yet another great reason to ditch them until they're right. And that's not a HTC thing.
FWIW I hardly use them unless messing with air car or something actually oculus as that's the interface for that.
Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
That along with having low minimum specs could be an issue. At the same time we know that it's usually just moving the stick too fast. Without film, or Hitech reproducing it, there isn't anything you can do except adjust deadband, damping, and moving slower.
-
3rd. Tried to help and wing this weekend but I don't think pm's show up in the VR stuff or what happened. But when you fly into a 3 on 1 over a con base results are usually bad. Together it might have worked out better but we'll never know. Oh well.
Technically fourth. :old:
-
I concur. The motion is passed! :old:
The motion to censure Mr. SaamIam has been made and passed.
On to the next item on the forum agenda...
-
What a disgraceful bunch of idiots. Of course you want to pretend your minority opinion is in charge.
Grow up or at least fake it for the forum.
-
This one is off the rails.
HiTech