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General Forums => Terrain Editor => Topic started by: Downtown on August 08, 2000, 06:26:00 PM
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I am willing to work on CBI and Pearl.
I have Erik Shilling's book which has a layout map of the airfields and cities. I will of course plug in additional feilds. Anyone else want to work on CBI (China, Burma, India) with me.
Also Pearl, most of the data is easy to get, any takers?
Anyone else doing a terrain and want specific or general assistance I so post em below. Lets pool our resources and do good work.
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I highly suggest using Ogre's Tool to start off your terrains from real world data, and work from there.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Downtown before i start my own Terrain i need to do alot testing with the Editor and learn
the basic things.
After that i think i will do some small H2H Maps for instant Action first.
And after that and the first expirience i may start a huge Map.
greets
Gh0stFT
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I will start working on a Finnish map first thing tonight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The satellite maps from "that link" are pretty distorted, as Finland is located so north. But I will give it a try anyway. I can always edit it later, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Let's see how I get the project rolling and how big of a task it is. Probably that big. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
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Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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FYI,
I'm working on the Papua New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland and Solomon Islands map. At present it's about 1.2:1 scale, (1200 miles a side scaled to 1024 miles on the map). All things being equal I'll have it complete by the end of the weekend. It is primarily designed as an air war map and vehicle bases are few and far between.
The holdup at the moment is placing AAA guns around the countryside and creating a map that can be viewed in the clipboard, (The colours of the different quarters don't match). Once that is tidied away I'll start on the printable maps of the terrain.
I have a short circut racing terrain prepared and will post that up soon.
I have a suggestion if anyone is interested in creating a furball terrain. Two airfields separated by 2 grid squares. The airfields are at 15,000 ft and sit inside a bowl which has mountains 40,000 ft high around it. The bottom of the bowl is a maze of canyons up to 8000 ft and above 8000 is clear air.
Anyways it's 1am and I gotta get some sleep this week.
Spotcha in the Air,
raxx
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Well I've got all the stuff downloaded, includeing that huge world ground cover file.
IF (Big IF) I can figure it all out I thought I'd try a Phillippene terrain. Lots of small islands and ocean with a few larger land masses for ground vehicles.
Pearl is also tempting.
Does anyone know when working in "Mapmaker" how many degree's to get a 1-1 scale map?
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
Scenario Corp, AH Trainer Corp
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Camo,
Don't necessarily be disturbed by the distorted nature of the GTOPO data in the area of Finland. We have become accustomed to seeing land masses using certain map projections designed to be pleasing to the eye, rather than accurate in distance. The GTOPO maps fall in this catagory as well.
If you read the help page for my utility (MapMaker) you'll see that I have a pretty elaborate routine available for correcting distortion. It will create a map that is as accurate as possible in distance. However, while accurate in distance, it will not necessarily *look* correct. For game purposes preserving distance-scale is more important than overall appearance IMO.
Unfortunately, it not possible to make a correct looking map that is correctly distance-scaled using a flat surface when your source is a spheroid (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) War is hell.
Good luck on the terrain building. Sounds like an interesting region.
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Ghosth,
There really isn't a conversion factor between degrees and distance as it varies based on latitude. At the equator it should be roughly 0.0045 degree/km (0.0028 degree/mile).
The best way to get the 1:1 is to take your best guess using a map with distances and lat/lon on it. Then:
1. Select a square region (using the map) that measures 512x512 miles and get the corresponding lat/long and degree-width.
2. Once it is in MapMaker use the distance measuring feature to measure the height and width of the region.
3. Increase/Decrease the degree width parameter until the distance measures 512x512 miles (824x824 km). When the terrain measures 512x512mi in MapMaker, the final exported product will be 1:1
Scaling is fun, ain't it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ogre (edited 08-09-2000).]
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Raxx, we could REALLY use that furball terrain. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm quite busy at the moment, but as soon as I can I'm going to look at this.
Ideally, you make a map with several setups like this, all separated by very high peaks. Say one is 1 field v 1 field (smalls), one is 2 v 2 fields, etc. Could also include some funky ground pounder setups as well. Once we had the bugs worked out of it, we could possibly get it posted up as a "duelling" arena....
This would simplify 1v1 all the way to squad level duels big time!
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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Keeryste!,
The whole friggen planet will be in AH before I even get the DownLoad.......
Nice...nice...
Lets get one uploaded and in action soon.
Yeager
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Keeryste!,
The whole friggen planet will be in AH before I even get the DownLoad.......
Nice...nice...
Lets get one uploaded and in action soon.
Yeager
<----- Hugging his Cable Modem muttering "good boy, now i just need more Processing Power!"
On a serious note, I started using the editor last night, and I think i am getting the hang of it. I am having the same problems with the "water" tile as mentioned before (all black, doesn't cover red numbers in the sector at all), but we'll se ehow it looks after i get done. I REALLY like that Furball arena, and I would LOVE to test it out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Also looking forward to a Pearl Harbor arena with all them P-40's sitting on the tarmac outside the hangar waiting for bombs :P Another reason to Model the P-40!
Great Job to all the T.E. beta team.
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Hamish!
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[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 08-09-2000).]
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Ogre, I've managed to get up to speed with the editor. Thanks for your amazing tool, it is a breeze to do the map with it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As the finnish coast has 10000 and 1 islands, I found the "no coast filtering" produce better results. All the capes and little islands come out better that way.
Here's the first pic I took in H2H. I've redone the map twice after that, as well as the clipboard map. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.hut.fi/u/vpitkane/LLv34/AH.jpg)
I'll keep on working on this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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This will be the first map produced by the Scenario Corps Terrain Team. I`ve just started on it so bear with me a bit. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jihad
CM Aces High Scenario Corps
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Hehe, I'm downloading the stuff at home for an Aleutian Theatre map 'cause I live in Alaska of course. Can't wait to make the runway and lake I fly my 172 out of in the summer, will be cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hope it's not to tough to do MT. Mckinley, I live close to it but never fly around it as there is a lot of traffic (flight seeing tours) buzzing around it all day long. There is no runway or tower there, but it has it's own traffic freq.! I've been in a 737 that has cirlced the summit, but now I get to fly my P38 around it and straffe the climbers, I mean sheep <big evil grin> LOL.
ts
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Itally. Planning to make mid 1944. Making airfields.
Fariz
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Im just playing around but I made a BoB
map for the clipboard if anyone wants it. It does not have the funky colors of the elevation or population maps and has more character than the relief maps
http://www.vicer.com/99th/Messhall/Euromap512.bmp (http://www.vicer.com/99th/Messhall/Euromap512.bmp)
The bmp is 512x512
the input parameters for Ogres mapmaker to export are
54.0 Lat
-5.5 Lon
10.0 Width
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Ogre,
A thousand thanks for the tips.
At last I'm getting the hang of things.
Have my map sized correctly in mapmaker (824km or 512 miles) (worked out to be 7.9 degrees btw at lat 18.75, long 118.5)
This cuts a fair chunk off the S part of the group(Mindenao , etc) but still leaves a HUGE mass of terrain. Got the data into the AH editor and I'm slowly getting the hang of it.
Currently I'm researching where Airbases & city's were in 1941-45.
Anyone have any tips in this area? Maps?
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
Scenario Corp, AH Trainer Corp
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Guys let me caution you about scaling factors !!!
I see alot of people thinking its "better" or more historical to do 1:1 scaling on terrains. (ie 512 miles real life = 512 miles in game).
There's nothing wrong with this, but realize that you are requiring pilots to fly "historical" sortie's lengths when you do this.
And most historical flight times were hours in length.
Not to many players in the game that wants to fly 90 minutes before they even have a chance of contacting the enemy.
Plan ahead! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I am working on one that will feature
Detroit; The Home of Rock and Roll.
Cleavelan; Rock City (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame)
Port Huron, My Home Town.
I am thinking Toronto and London, Ont. Canada.
I will probably have to make some land masses to link Canada and the U.S. cause we can't do pontoon bridges and such.
(I live about 50 Miles north of Detroit.)
The other will be Pearl, probably just Ohahu (sp?) or Ford Island (WE NEED CARRIERS HT, P-36s, P-40s, Vals, Kates and A6M2's too. Oh, a PBy and an earlier version of the B-17, the "C" I believe.
CBI I will have to think about 2:1 would stil be HUGE! I would like to stick Everest in there somewhere but am not counting on it.
I figure Rangoon for one city, Bangkok for another, Saigon for another and Kumming for the other. The Japanese would start with Saigon and Bangkok and the English would Have Rangoon, the Flying Tigers (Again need a P-40B, with Kumming.
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"Downtown" Lincoln Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Ghost, I have a book called "Atlas of WWII" that has alot of maps of the major battles and theaters of battle, some of which have the historic locations of airbases.
Thats where I got my locations for my Central Mediterranean Terrain.
Where are you looking for specifically, and I will see what I can find for you.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"