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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AAIK on December 25, 2019, 11:29:51 AM
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I know this won't magically fix anything but I think its worth making an official HTC discord server.
It should be focused on general chatting and socializing for enthusiasts of flight sims/airplanes/etc and not just the game itself: I think this is the best approach. I have publically stated that we should stop thinking of ideas to fix AH and let it die basically but this would bring the community together to preserve the connections we have made over the years and preserve the social aspect even after the game is gone.
Discord is reliable and very functional as well as it can be used in a browser or a mobile app. It would also allow HTC to get closer to their potential customers/customers and get more feedback.
I know there is an unofficial one out there but I hope those can maybe help HT out to set one up.
It may even be possible to assimilate other communities into this one as well.
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Your assumptions are that AH3 will die unless 'we' fix it and HTC is out of touch with their customers.
Given the general quality of ideas presented and the fact that Hitech reads the forum, plays in the game, and talks to players on the phone and in emails makes me think your assumptions are not supported.
One thing to keep in mind is that nobody knows why so many people DL the game but don't stay, nobody knows why the population is smaller, and nobody knows what to do about it.
People have ideas but anyone pretending to know is kidding themselves.
If you have an idea post it, it may be a good idea. A lot of good ideas have added to the game.
It's a little early for a eulogy. AH2 numbers declined along with the economy. The economy is better now.
Hitech is always working to improve the game. Turn down the drama and have fun playing with your friends.
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Your assumptions are that AH3 will die unless 'we' fix it and HTC is out of touch with their customers.
Given the general quality of ideas presented and the fact that Hitech reads the forum, plays in the game, and talks to players on the phone and in emails makes me think your assumptions are not supported.
One thing to keep in mind is that nobody knows why so many people DL the game but don't stay, nobody knows why the population is smaller, and nobody knows what to do about it.
People have ideas but anyone pretending to know is kidding themselves.
If you have an idea post it, it may be a good idea. A lot of good ideas have added to the game.
It's a little early for a eulogy. AH2 numbers declined along with the economy. The economy is better now.
Hitech is always working to improve the game. Turn down the drama and have fun playing with your friends.
So do you think a Discord server would be a bad idea?
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ROTFLMAO
:noid
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So do you think a Discord server would be a bad idea?
Not a bad idea, just not a good idea.
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Not a bad idea, just not a good idea.
I think it's an excellent idea. When I ran the MPA association server. The usage of the MPA went way up. And this was an unofficial server. The server kinda died because of my own absence from AH. An official server would generate more traffic than my forum post and a much healthier usage.
I think Skuzzy said they where not interested in hosting there own. But I am bad at quoting, I learned this on this very forum.
Dutch
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How is an official discord server be different than the comms we have now?
semp
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How is an official discord server be different than the comms we have now?
You don't have to be in game to use it.
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You don't have to be in game to use it.
OK so now you have a bb but with voice.
semp
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OK so now you have a bb but with voice.
And text chat. And the possibility of additional services (for example distributing of files like maps)
So that's quite different from a BBS system. Just as the ingame chat ain't no BBS either.
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How is an official discord server be different than the comms we have now?
semp
The thing about discord is it has a more social aspect to it. It's what the younger generation use and AH needs new players.
Things like video and pictures can be easily shared and help / advice be given in one place. Make a channel for each arena and each team and treat it as vox 101 except it has the additional features.
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I understand what discord is an does, but people use it in other games due to the limits of comms in other games. I used it in world of tanks and my squad uses it for other games. But the difference between an official and unofficial discord channel is just a name. Discord also has limitations. For example I posted a screen shot of some funny crap we were talking about on country, file was to big, had to crop it. The same screen shot would have fit in the bb, Facebook, or our own pig website.
So what is the advantage over what the in-game comms plus the bb provides?
semp
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I understand what discord is an does, but people use it in other games due to the limits of comms in other games. I used it in world of tanks and my squad uses it for other games. But the difference between an official and unofficial discord channel is just a name. Discord also has limitations. For example I posted a screen shot of some funny crap we were talking about on country, file was to big, had to crop it. The same screen shot would have fit in the bb, Facebook, or our own pig website.
So what is the advantage over what the in-game comms plus the bb provides?
semp
WoT has in-game voice yet you still use Discord...so Discord must be doing something right. :)
I don't know of an active game at this point that doesn't have at least a semi-active Discord be it 'official' or 'unofficial'.
There might not be a specific advantage that Discord has over a BBS in terms of chat capability, but there is no reason why it would not be a good resource, especially for people who may be more active on Discord than on a forum. The same reason why I think it would be great to have an active subreddit, plus in general things like Discord or reddit can reach farther and tap into untapped markets.
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HTC has to check two forums already. Wouldn't an official server require spending more time on unproductive work?
Curious about the business model, what does Discord get out of it?
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HTC has to check two forums already. Wouldn't an official server require spending more time on unproductive work?
Yes, that's why I don't see any 'official' one coming.
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Yes, that's why I don't see any 'official' one coming.
Unless that is one of the channels the Social Media Team takes responsibility for.
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Unless that is one of the channels the Social Media Team takes responsibility for.
I remember our social media person. I don't know the details but I don't think that helped.
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One thing to keep in mind is that nobody knows why so many people DL the game but don't stay,
That one is easy. The game doesn't provide what they (those who dowload it) expect. There is so many of them because there's so many people online today, and a 1 GB dowload is small enough to try and delete again after 5 minutes, to try the next game.
The assumption that someone who found the game and went through the big chalenge of waiting through a 12h download would actually subscribe may have been true 20 years ago when not many alternatives existed, and people made sure they were more well-informed before going though a massive download.
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I remember our social media person. I don't know the details but I don't think that helped.
No, it had been suggested earlier that a team of players take over various official HTC Social Media channels and produce regular, timely content like Instagram, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, front web page, Discord, etc, etc (with HTC review).
Just like you have a Scenario Team, you could have a Social Media Team so that this place just doesn't end up looking like a dust covered, dead museum.
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Your assumptions are that AH3 will die unless 'we' fix it and HTC is out of touch with their customers.
Given the general quality of ideas presented and the fact that Hitech reads the forum, plays in the game, and talks to players on the phone and in emails makes me think your assumptions are not supported.
One thing to keep in mind is that nobody knows why so many people DL the game but don't stay, nobody knows why the population is smaller, and nobody knows what to do about it.
People have ideas but anyone pretending to know is kidding themselves.
If you have an idea post it, it may be a good idea. A lot of good ideas have added to the game.
It's a little early for a eulogy. AH2 numbers declined along with the economy. The economy is better now.
Hitech is always working to improve the game. Turn down the drama and have fun playing with your friends.
I never said such a thing. I clearly stated that it would not fix anything but that it was worthy endavour. One that might be arranged as one greater then just the game as to provide a social base for connections between players/people to persist in the future. I never stated that HTC was out of touch or unable to function specifically but HT isn't perfect so you can't expect miracles left and right. I stated that it would be a good place to get feedback and probably a quicker one as well.
I think the only drama here is you.
AH is dying, its number are falling year by year which is the definition of dying. If it were growing in number it would be getting healthier, its quite simply that the opposite is happening. Concerning the economy, the economy would be "recovered" or healthier then it was in '08 if all the debt people owed was paid back. That is clearly not feasable within the time frame (11 years) and it's not the case in many countries.
My assumptions are supported by the realities in front of us btw, I wouldn't be calling a spade a spade unless it were a spade.
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The "Pigs" have a discord server setup so they can stay in contact over and across all the games they are trying out these days due to the lack of numbers in AH. I dont log on to it much, I know many are logged in all the time. As a new social media tool to have all the players "keep in touch" I dont think for all us old timers it is worth the trouble.
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No, it had been suggested earlier that a team of players take over various official HTC Social Media channels and produce regular, timely content like Instagram, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, front web page, Discord, etc, etc (with HTC review).
Just like you have a Scenario Team, you could have a Social Media Team so that this place just doesn't end up looking like a dust covered, dead museum.
I understand you were referring to a hypothetical volunteer team of players who aren't too snarky to represent HTC. I was remembering the employee who had that job.
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...I have publically stated that we should stop thinking of ideas to fix AH and let it die...
... It would also allow HTC to get closer to their potential customers/customers and get more feedback....
This is the basis for my comment about your assumptions.
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Having an official AH Discord server is a wonderful idea. Once the channel permissions are set up it's pretty much no maintenance. Other game devs use volunteer community managers to help police truly stupid content. There really isn't much of a downside to it at all.
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Here is the MPA Discord server:
https://discord.gg/gv6Pzgf
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HTC has to check two forums already. Wouldn't an official server require spending more time on unproductive work?
Curious about the business model, what does Discord get out of it?
Discord doesn't get anything out of it, although I'm not sure why they'd need to. It is no different than any other company offering a free service.
'Official' does not have to mean anything more than sponsored by HTC. Posted on the homepage and stuff like that. It can still have community moderators just like there are in-game. It would also be a nice outlet for the CM Team to post event notifications.
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Discord doesn't get anything out of it, although I'm not sure why they'd need to. It is no different than any other company offering a free service.
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I searched and got this. Discord has more than 87 million users, and is planning to rule over the $1.7 billion worth of voice chat market. ...Discord’s revenue model is still a work in progress.
They say they don't want advertising or user data sales for a revenue stream but they hope to figure out a way to stay in business.
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I searched and got this. Discord has more than 87 million users, and is planning to rule over the $1.7 billion worth of voice chat market. ...Discord’s revenue model is still a work in progress.
They say they don't want advertising or user data sales for a revenue stream but they hope to figure out a way to stay in business.
There is a Nitro option which is a monthly fee that has some bonus features. I am sure the large games that have verified servers are kicking back money. It has 250 million users, I don't see it going away any time soon seeing as it has funding from Tencent and other large companies.
I still fail to see how more publicity and easier access to help, tech support, etc. is a bad idea.
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Put the MPA association discord on the front page and I change it into an all round AH discord. Heck I will even mange the Discord.
If discord ever wants to make money we just delete it. I don't see what the fuss is about. #freeserviceswecantakeadvantgeoff
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Put the MPA association discord on the front page and I change it into an all round AH discord. Heck I will even mange the Discord.
If discord ever wants to make money we just delete it. I don't see what the fuss is about. #freeserviceswecantakeadvantgeoff
Dunno, people not liking change or new things I suppose.
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Dunno, people not liking change or new things I suppose.
Straw man. Nobody is saying that.
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Dunno, people not liking change or new things I suppose.
There are people so riddled with negativity, like a cancer, that their first knee jerk reaction to anything is "Nope. It will never work. Bad idea. It's not going to happen. Stop talking about it."
And I've also noticed it is usually the ones who have never risked putting up an idea of their own, that are the absolute experts on why everyone elses ideas won't work.
Don't let it get you down. ;)
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There are people so riddled with negativity, like a cancer, that their first knee jerk reaction to anything is "Nope. It will never work. Bad idea. It's not going to happen. Stop talking about it."
And I've also noticed it is usually the ones who have never risked putting up an idea of their own, that are the absolute experts on why everyone elses ideas won't work.
Don't let it get you down. ;)
Who is this terrible man of straw? Burn the witch!
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Straw man. Nobody is saying that.
Well, I'm still waiting on some reasons as to why it would not be beneficial for the game. :)
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Well, I'm still waiting on some reasons as to why it would not be beneficial for the game. :)
I never said that. :old:
I don't think it's a good cost/benefit idea for HTC. For you it's a fine idea to help the game. :aok
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Well, I'm still waiting on some reasons as to why it would not be beneficial for the game. :)
What dies it add? Voice chat without being in the game? Not really that useful.
Alternative suggestion: Publish the current state of the melee-arean map on the website, in real-time. Creates a real connection to the game without having to be online.
I don't like the idea of using 1 personal email adress to sign up for different discord sites. It creates too much metadata. Alternative is using different throw-away adresses, and running separate browser instances for each. Don't like.
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I never said that. :old:
I don't think it's a good cost/benefit idea for HTC. For you it's a fine idea to help the game. :aok
Yes, Free costs way too much.
What dies it add? Voice chat without being in the game? Not really that useful.
Alternative suggestion: Publish the current state of the melee-arean map on the website, in real-time. Creates a real connection to the game without having to be online.
I don't like the idea of using 1 personal email adress to sign up for different discord sites. It creates too much metadata. Alternative is using different throw-away adresses, and running separate browser instances for each. Don't like.
It creates a new realm or community. Just like not everyone flies in the MA but they fly in Events, not everyone visits a game's forum whereas they might visit a game's subreddit. Often times games have staff monitor a game's subreddit if that community is very active, even though the actual moderation is done by community members. Discord would be no different.
I understand personal reasons for not wanting to use a product like this, but there are 250 million people who do use it so they must be doing something right.
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It creates a new realm or community.
The more non-proprietary surface area you have, the more discoverability you have.
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Well, I'm still waiting on some reasons as to why it would not be beneficial for the game. :)
Why would it be beneficial to the game is the question.....
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Why would it be beneficial to the game is the question.....
Myself and others have already listed multiple reasons why.
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Yes, Free costs way too much.
It creates a new realm or community. Just like not everyone flies in the MA but they fly in Events, not everyone visits a game's forum whereas they might visit a game's subreddit. Often times games have staff monitor a game's subreddit if that community is very active, even though the actual moderation is done by community members. Discord would be no different.
I understand personal reasons for not wanting to use a product like this, but there are 250 million people who do use it so they must be doing something right.
I personally have no problem with it but if it's official then HTC has to monitor it on some level. If you think time is free...
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Hitech is always working to improve the game.
Is that really true? I understand that the software has been improved, but has the game improved? I mean as far as the mechanics of game play, it's pretty much the same as it was 20 years ago. As far as I can tell, no new targets have been added, the road system provides no chock points or allows for conflict at say bridge or river crossings, in fact if I remember correctly one could limit the amount fuel available to the enemy by destroying fuel depots. That's not happening anymore. Just kill the town put 10 troops in the map room. Like it's always been. How about adding a new type of troop , Engineers to rebuild a destroyed airfield, or town, along with supplies to rebuild you needed Engineering troops to use those supplies. How about artillery batteries to provide support for both offensive and defensive actions. But alas, we didn't see that type of change during the hay day of Aces High, when it had an excess of customers and I'm guessing cash, I doubt that HTC is willing to make the kind of investment necessary to add actual game changes at this point in the financial game.
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Is that really true? ...
Yes. You are quibbling about what constitutes improvement by focusing on your preferences for changes.
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I personally have no problem with it but if it's official then HTC has to monitor it on some level. If you think time is free...
Discord text channels are incredibly easy to keep track of and moderate. Right click and delete. The mobile version is also pretty functional even for admins/owners. HTC already employs community mods in game, so finding trustworthy folks to help keep it within the guardrails isn't a bridge too far, imo.
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There is no downside for someone in the community to host a Discord server and then have HiTech list it on the AH3 website. Personally, I, like FLS, just don't see the benefit of an official AH3 Discord server. Despite what people think, an official Discord server would still need to be monitored by HTC to ensure players abide by AH3's community guidelines along with Discords. Those that don't think HTC would need to moderate it have never been involved in setting up or running a game's official Discord server.
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There is no downside for someone in the community to host a Discord server and then have HiTech list it on the AH3 website. Personally, I, like FLS, just don't see the benefit of an official AH3 Discord server. Despite what people think, an official Discord server would still need to be monitored by HTC to ensure players abide by AH3's community guidelines along with Discords. Those that don't think HTC would need to moderate it have never been involved in setting up or running a game's official Discord server.
I suppose it would have to be decided whether it would be verified, 'official', or 'unofficial'. There are many 'main' Discord servers that are community run but have the backing of the game developer.
Verified would mean that HTC technically has to own it and it would be 'run by' the game developer. I suppose in this case as long as he is the owner he can have moderators like any other server.
What constitutes 'official' versus 'unofficial'?
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They have to monitor the mods. That's how they know all the complaints are BS.
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Yes. You are quibbling about what constitutes improvement by focusing on your preferences for changes.
Not quibbling, just questing your statement. I focused on areas of the game that as a factual review will show, no game improvements have taken place for 20 years. I'm not questing the fact that HTC has a great air to air combat model, Air to ground attack not so much, I don't care how many tons of bombs you drop on any of the standing bridges around a town, you can't inflect damage, that's not a great model of air to ground attack. Troops just run to their death, no AI troops to seek cover and maneuver like Combat infantry would. If you have factual evidence of game improvements, not software fixes, bug fixes or programming fixes please educate me. I think a lot of new players and even some returning players, download and take a look and say, nothing new here, looks and plays a lot like Air Warrior did and like AH did 20 years ago.
I don't think it's the learning curve, heck, take a look at DCS, its numbers are growing and it has a much steeper learning curve. The 113th Lucky Strikes has been here for 20 years and does as much as we can to try to attract and keep new players and get them into the fold, trained up and flying, We are asked by them if we have a squad presents on DCS or Arma3, after just a few weeks, they find the AH game stale and don't stick around very long after that. This series of post is about Discord Server and using social media to attract and educate new players about AH, well, there has been a FaceBook group since 2008, now called Aces High III, well, there you go OP, wish granted.
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+1 for Discord. Use it everyday.
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Not quibbling, just questing your statement. I focused on areas of the game that as a factual review will show, no game improvements have taken place for 20 years. I'm not questing the fact that HTC has a great air to air combat model, Air to ground attack not so much, I don't care how many tons of bombs you drop on any of the standing bridges around a town, you can't inflect damage, that's not a great model of air to ground attack. Troops just run to their death, no AI troops to seek cover and maneuver like Combat infantry would. If you have factual evidence of game improvements, not software fixes, bug fixes or programming fixes please educate me. I think a lot of new players and even some returning players, download and take a look and say, nothing new here, looks and plays a lot like Air Warrior did and like AH did 20 years ago.
I don't think it's the learning curve, heck, take a look at DCS, its numbers are growing and it has a much steeper learning curve. The 113th Lucky Strikes has been here for 20 years and does as much as we can to try to attract and keep new players and get them into the fold, trained up and flying, We are asked by them if we have a squad presents on DCS or Arma3, after just a few weeks, they find the AH game stale and don't stick around very long after that. This series of post is about Discord Server and using social media to attract and educate new players about AH, well, there has been a FaceBook group since 2008, now called Aces High III, well, there you go OP, wish granted.
If you want to talk social media, tiktok is the new hotness. Social media platforms pop up every few years. Basically facebook is out of fashion.
Discord is basically a glorified IRC channel systtem with voice which just happens to be the fashionable platform for gamers at the moment.Gotta stay with the times, you are falling behind.
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If you want to talk social media, tiktok is the new hotness. Social media platforms pop up every few years. Basically facebook is out of fashion.
Discord is basically a glorified IRC channel systtem with voice which just happens to be the fashionable platform for gamers at the moment.Gotta stay with the times, you are falling behind.
Out of fashion yet still boasts the most concurrent users monthly/daily than any other social media platform.
:uhoh
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Out of fashion yet still boasts the most concurrent users monthly/daily than any other social media platform.
:uhoh
But of course, it is not a zero sum game.
A Social Media Team could be continually seeking out fresh channels to push timely content out to on a constant basis as they emerge.
Every possible platform that might increase your discoverability surface area should be exploited.
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Social Media Dream Team. :banana:
Curious who's qualified?
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Not quibbling, just questing your statement. I focused on areas of the game that as a factual review will show, no game improvements have taken place for 20 years. ...
You just admitted you cherry-picked the things that haven't changed and ignored what has.
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Social Media Dream Team. :banana:
Curious who's qualified?
Keep trolling, FLS. It's what you do best.
It seemed in the Facebook thread there were some people who would be willing to help out. In this thread it seems there are people who could help with Discord, tiktok, whatever that is. :D I'm sure we have html people somewhere in this community. I've seen several people make great videos. There is a lot of talent in this community to pull from.
Who wouldn't be qualified are trolls, and people rotted out on the inside with it-will-never-work-itis.
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If you want to talk social media, tiktok is the new hotness. Social media platforms pop up every few years. Basically facebook is out of fashion.
Discord is basically a glorified IRC channel systtem with voice which just happens to be the fashionable platform for gamers at the moment.Gotta stay with the times, you are falling behind.
Just pointing out that 10 years ago, a social media platform FaceBook was already being used to promote AH and is still going strong today, but alas, it did nothing to prevent the loss of players in AH,I doubt that tiktok would do much better. I was not suggesting that going to social media will help, I'm saying that in may peoples minds, AH is old and stale, that is what is preventing a mass entrance of new players from downloading and signing up.
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Cpt Straw keeps trying to deplatform me with false accusations. That's what, the 10th time now? :rofl
I never troll. You're just complaining because I have a different opinion than yours.
Willing isn't the same as suitable is it?
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You just admitted you cherry-picked the things that haven't changed and ignored what has.
Please tell me, what was changed about the game . Not talking software bugs or cockpit updates, talking about the game and how it is played? The game is played today exactly as it was played on day one.
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Cpt Straw keeps trying to deplatform me with false accusations. That's what, the 10th time now? :rofl
I never troll. You're just complaining because I have a different opinion than yours.
Willing isn't the same as suitable is it?
Keep trolling FLS, it's what you do best.
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Please tell me, what was changed about the game . Not talking software bugs or cockpit updates, talking about the game and how it is played? The game is played today exactly as it was played on day one.
You are confusing the game with game play. Game play is a subset of the game. I said the game is constantly being improved. You said many aspects of game play are the same. Both statements are true.
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Just pointing out that 10 years ago, a social media platform FaceBook was already being used to promote AH and is still going strong today, but alas, it did nothing to prevent the loss of players in AH,I doubt that tiktok would do much better. I was not suggesting that going to social media will help, I'm saying that in may peoples minds, AH is old and stale, that is what is preventing a mass entrance of new players from downloading and signing up.
It's very hard to measure the direct effect of things like Social Media exposure. How many didn't leave beause it at least looked like things where being tried? How many old players came back because they ran across the FB page and got the bug again? Hard to know. I had almost forgotten about AH until I happen to see it listed on Steam when looking for VR games. You never know what tripwire you extend out into the world might catch something.
Will it make a difference. I don't know. But I'm a big believer in trying things, rather than giving up, sulking and waiting for the inevitable. As long as there is time on the clock, I believe in staying on the court and playing the game. You never know, sometimes you get lucky.
We can't write the code. Unless he open sources, no one can help with that. But where the community could help, Hitech would be smart to leverage that free labor. And Hitech seems pretty smart, except for that whole 3-sided thing. ;)
The question isn't whether it would make a huge difference, IMHO. Really the question is does it really do harm? And sometimes you get lucky.
It might take a little extra effort on Hitech's part to facilitate the effort, but would probably pay off many times over by setting up a system to off-load so much marketing work. In the past Hitech has been pretty smart about putting a little effort up front to leverage huge resources in the community.
He made a community available terrain editor. Where would we be if every terrain had to be made by Hitech alone?
He made tools for editing plane skins. Where would we be if every plane skin had to be made by Hitech alone?
All that took a little extra effort on his part to setup, but then he gets to enjoy the force-multiplication effect for years to come.
:salute
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Keep trolling FLS, it's what you do best.
It’s better to put him on ignore. Save you some time for sure.
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5 BBS pages on a video game web forum to debate the merits of "official" usage of a communication platform that was designed specifically around playing video games, is free, and is in wide use around the world by players and developers alike is silly.
Everyone arguing against this should go dunk their head in cold water, slap themselves, and go apologize to their friends and family for being obstinate and hard to get along with.
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Think about it, discord is the same as comms and bb so it doesn't really offer an advantage over what we have.
Pigs use discord in other games and guess what some have different names on discord than in aces high. Then you have to choose to play in only one server, so do you log in to country, squad or all countries.
So what is the advantage? I see none, we have better comms in game than any other game.
So if you want to have a discord server for aces high, go for it, nobody is stopping you.
There's way too many reasons why while good in other games, it may not be a good idea in aces high. I'll give you the simplest one, language, no way to report language back to hi-tech. I'll even throw in my personal one, I don't have a button that is not used in aces high that can be used in discord. Discord only sees one stick so it looks at my throttle and stick as the same. And if I have to press a key on my keyboard then it puts me at a disadvantage in some situations.
semp
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Nobody is against it per se, the comments are about the downside for an official server. If somebody can't handle polite disagreement that's their problem.
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So what is the advantage? I see none, we have better comms in game than any other game.
I don't think it's about replacing the in game coms. They are still fine for the purpose they serve.
It's an additional layer of communication, allowing players to interact with each other in different ways, be it in-game as well as off-game. In some way it's a combination of the AH text chat, voice chat, BBs, with additional features. And for many of todays gamers such a discord server is currently a standard feature (unlike bulletin board systems / forums, which seem to have fallen somewhat out of use in the recent years).
That being said, I don't think it would do much for AH in it's current state. If there ever was a full reboot of Aces High however, a discord server (official or 'acknowledged') should be one of many improvements, features and changes.
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5 BBS pages on a video game web forum to debate the merits of "official" usage of a communication platform that was designed specifically around playing video games, is free, and is in wide use around the world by players and developers alike is silly.
Everyone arguing against this should go dunk their head in cold water, slap themselves, and go apologize to their friends and family for being obstinate and hard to get along with.
Did someone say you can't use it? I do not think anyone is arguing in this thread period. Calm down Francis.
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The advantage to an unofficial server is that you can ban everybody that doesn't jump on your bandwagon. :aok
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The advantage to an unofficial server is that you can ban everybody that doesn't jump on your bandwagon. :aok
LOL this is true.... and the way some would handle it.
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Is that really true?
Yes it really is true, You simply define any improvement you do not like that others do is not an improvement.
You want to narrowly define game as only items you consider game.
If you wish to define game as you enter an arena, fly fight bomb things and capture territory as game. Then you are correct, you did those things when AH started, and you still do those things in the Melee arean.
Oh BTW you also want to define AH as only the Melee arena. You miss other sweeping game play changes that you may not like, as in match play, mission based play.
You argue against your self by saying game play things were changed that you didn't like.
Your free to have your opinion on what you like and do not like. You are not free to your own incorrect facts for the sole purpose of trying to disparage HTC.
HiTech
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Did someone say you can't use it? I do not think anyone is arguing in this thread period. Calm down Francis.
That is a terrific clarification to confusion nobody had.
The debate is not whether I can use Discord or not. I do. The debate is whether an official Discord server and it's prevalence throughout the gaming world could positively impact Aces High. Given that it's free and not nearly as difficult to maintain as some suggest, I say yes. There is virtually nothing to lose by having a Discord server if you're a developer or wanting to grow a video game community. The setup is actually the most challenging, and even that is less complicated and probably quicker than showing a new AH player how to properly map and calibrate his setup. There's also plenty of help articles and YouTube videos to help the DIY Discord owner.
That being said, I don't think it would do much for AH in it's current state. If there ever was a full reboot of Aces High however, a discord server (official or 'acknowledged') should be one of many improvements, features and changes.
I agree that it wouldn't result in a massive influx of people or "save" the game. Going forward though, it's hard to think future new players wouldn't see it as a valuable resource.
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It's very hard to measure the direct effect of things like Social Media exposure.
It is actually not difficult at all, it can be expensive though, depending on how much the module will cost. Pretty much all CRMs have, for an additional cost, modules that allow companies to track their product through social media.
For example, the CRM we use at work for our online games allow us to track in real time exactly what you think is difficult. It also allows to track a multitude of other data through social media.
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It is actually not difficult at all, it can be expensive though, depending on how much the module will cost. Pretty much all CRMs have, for an additional cost, modules that allow companies to track their product through social media.
For example, the CRM we use at work for our online games allow us to track in real time exactly what you think is difficult. It also allows to track a multitude of other data through social media.
Another part of the so-called free experience for the user. Just your information is sold.
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It is actually not difficult at all, it can be expensive though, depending on how much the module will cost. Pretty much all CRMs have, for an additional cost, modules that allow companies to track their product through social media.
For example, the CRM we use at work for our online games allow us to track in real time exactly what you think is difficult. It also allows to track a multitude of other data through social media.
Even our Events FB page tells me how many people the post reached and who interacted with it, etc.
At least the use of social media, in and of itself, is free advertising. We have people who post 30 times a day about nonsense on this forum. Take two of those posts and have them post information on a Twitter or Facebook page about the game in some fashion...now you have publicity.
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Even our Events FB page tells me how many people the post reached and who interacted with it, etc.
At least the use of social media, in and of itself, is free advertising. We have people who post 30 times a day about nonsense on this forum. Take two of those posts and have them post information on a Twitter or Facebook page about the game in some fashion...now you have publicity.
Many do not use twitter or facebook though.
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Many do not use twitter or facebook though.
I know you wont believe this but the number of people who have internet and DONT do facebook and/or twitter is very small. I'd be surprised if it was 20%. So we are looking at better than 50% of the population of the world that has internet that could see something on FB or Twitter if it was posted and pushed.
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I know you wont believe this but the number of people who have internet and DONT do facebook and/or twitter is very small. I'd be surprised if it was 20%. So we are looking at better than 50% of the population of the world that has internet that could see something on FB or Twitter if it was posted and pushed.
You are correct.
Data from GlobalWebIndex shows that 98 percent of internet users in the world’s top economies visited a social media platform in the past month, but just 83 percent actively engaged with – or contributed to – those platforms.
Based on a broad survey of internet users aged 16-64.
In 2019/2020 I think it is safe to say people who do not use a social media platform of some kind are the minority.
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I'm sure that it's impossible for most of the people using FB and twitter to see most of the content posted on FB and twitter simply due to the volume.
Just posting on your personal FB page or twitter account is like shouting to the wind if you don't have a substantial following.
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Another part of the so-called free experience for the user. Just your information is sold.
You are wrong.
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Just posting on your personal FB page or twitter account is like shouting to the wind if you don't have a substantial following.
While that's true, there is one significant difference. Once you have visited a normal web site that's it. Once you have visited something and possibly liked on Facebook you are automatically flooded with updates.
I think it's a conspiracy of browser vendors not to support rss/atom for that purpose. It could nicely create a non-fb curated time line locally. Maybe with webpush, but it seems more complicated, needlessly for that use-case.
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I know you wont believe this but the number of people who have internet and DONT do facebook and/or twitter is very small. I'd be surprised if it was 20%. So we are looking at better than 50% of the population of the world that has internet that could see something on FB or Twitter if it was posted and pushed.
Post the actual numbers.
I am a redneck Geek and know a lot of folks who are the same. Very few use either.
I find it funny that they are even called "social" media.
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You are wrong.
That is how they make their money. The users are the actual product.
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Post the actual numbers.
I am a redneck Geek and know a lot of folks who are the same. Very few use either.
I find it funny that they are even called "social" media.
There are a few other people in the world, and they probably utilize various socials.
I already posted some numbers above, read:
You are correct.Based on a broad survey of internet users aged 16-64.
"Data from GlobalWebIndex shows that 98 percent of internet users in the world’s top economies visited a social media platform in the past month, but just 83 percent actively engaged with – or contributed to – those platforms."
Social by definition is human interactions with other individuals or groups, it is pretty simple really.
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That is how they make their money. The users are the actual product.
You are wrong.
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It is actually not difficult at all, it can be expensive though, depending on how much the module will cost. Pretty much all CRMs have, for an additional cost, modules that allow companies to track their product through social media.
For example, the CRM we use at work for our online games allow us to track in real time exactly what you think is difficult. It also allows to track a multitude of other data through social media.
I get that. I had some experience with data analytics. I used to work on call center software that could transcribe and analyze topic trends and alert phrases. It could even detect voice stress and separate out calls of high emotion for manual review by management. LoL.
I'm talking about the indirect effects on sales of maintaining an active social media presence over a long period of time. It can seem hard to justify when you are busy and unless there is a direct ad or link or promo code, it can be hard to judge the ROI.
For instance I wash searching on youtube for WWII combat flight stuff and ran into a trailer from 1C Games for IL2:BOS and was impressed. I didn't act on it then but a couple weeks later I was in Steam and wanted to clear out money in my Steam Wallet and thought hey, that IL2 sim might be fun to play offline campaign in between AH Scenarios. Sale.
How would they have possibly known their youtube video eventually lead to a sale? What if it had been a FB or twitter post? Hard to prove direct efficacy.
You could make some reasoned guesses. The effect might not be direct or immediate, but maybe with long continued effort could start paying off. Surely it increases your odds to some extent. You are expanding your surface area so new parts of the market might discover your product. If you could enable community to help with that load, it might take some organizing and work, but would probably be a lot cheaper than buying national market TV commercials.
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Post the actual numbers.
I am a redneck Geek and know a lot of folks who are the same. Very few use either.
I find it funny that they are even called "social" media.
Im not going to waste time posting numbers for you, as I said "I know your not going to believe me...".
To you and others like you that are NOT part of social media it doesnt seem like much, or anything usefull, but those of us who do use it we can see how big a thing it really is. EVERYTHING is tied to social media one way or another. Look at adds, web sites, signs at store and such and you will see signs with the FB, Twitter and such logo pointing their "presents" on those social media outlets.
For Aces High, or any page really to become "relevant" it MUST become active, VERY active. The AH pages should have posts every few minutes for 12-16 hours a day. Other people will post to interact much like these message boards, good and bad, which will generate more posts. As the post counts climb the search probes that FB Twitter, even Google use to hunt for info across the web will pick up the activity on the AH pages and start "suggesting" that info in their searches.
HTC had someone to do social media for AH. She didnt last long, never heard why she left. It certainly need someone to push this full time to make it help.
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There are a few other people in the world, and they probably utilize various socials.
I already posted some numbers above, read:
Social by definition is human interactions with other individuals or groups, it is pretty simple really.
Some links go to so called social sites. Does not mean folks use them. That is flawed terribly.
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Some links go to so called social sites. Does not mean folks use them. That is flawed terribly.
Yes - you are right. The majority of the world does not use social media. We are just like you and your circle of friends.
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Yes - you are right. The majority of the world does not use social media. We are just like you and your circle of friends.
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Yes - you are right. The majority of the world does not use social media. We are just like you and your circle of friends.
So you think is it like you? LOL
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LOL falling to name calling all the time. Not skin off my nose.
How is your business going?
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So you think is it like you? LOL
I have no idea what this means.
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LOL falling to name calling all the time. Not skin off my nose.
How is your business going?
I just saw on Breitbart. It turns out there are actually no users on FaceBook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, any of them. None. It was all just some kind of hoax. Probably Soros.
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Roughly 2.6-3.1 billion people use social media. The worlds population is estimated at 7.7 billion people. That’s close to half the world. You even gotta think about how many billions don’t have internet access in some places. I’d say you’re wrong on this one Shuffler.