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Title: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Ramesis on April 09, 2020, 02:02:19 PM
This is a metaphor...
I seem to recall that in University History classes (not sure which) that the defeat of the Spanish Armada in the mid 1600s was not the fall
of the Spanish Empire... it was the beginning
Spain's problem at the time was it had gotten so wealthy (from the gold of the new world) that its exports were way out numbered by its imports
Although their main export was "Spanish Steel" they imported almost everything else INCLUDING most of their ships (built in Italy and the Netherlands), most of its food, etc.
Now, what lesson can be taken from this bit of history and who can it be applied to?
 :salute

 
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: The Fugitive on April 09, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
Again with the politics! Give it up!
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: CptTrips on April 09, 2020, 03:45:30 PM

 :rofl Good luck with that.  :rofl
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Spikes on April 09, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Again with the politics! Give it up!
And again in the wrong forum...
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Ramesis on April 09, 2020, 04:42:07 PM
Again with the politics! Give it up!

Only u consider it politics... I was only giving a lesson in history  :rofl
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Arlo on April 09, 2020, 05:05:12 PM
The defeat of the Spanish Armada was more about the rise of the British than the decline of the Spanish.

"The defeat of the Armada was a major turning point in English history. It saved the throne of Elizabeth I and guaranteed English independence from Spain. The Spanish saw the invasion as a crusade and one that would stamp out the heresy of Protestantism in England. The failure of the invasion meant that Protestantism became more entrenched and less sympathetic to Catholicism. Indeed, in the aftermath of the Armada, Protestantism became part of the national identity. To be English was to be a Protestant and to reject Catholicism. The attempted Spanish invasion led to the adoption of an anti-Catholic discourse, known as Popery and this was an important factor in English political life for over two centuries. The (defeat of the) Armada did not end Spanish maritime supremacy but it did lead to England becoming a formidable naval power. This allowed it to found colonies and trading companies in the early seventeenth century that were to lay the foundation for the British Empire."

https://dailyhistory.org/How_did_the_defeat_of_the_Spanish_Armada_(1588)_change_England%3F
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Nefarious on April 09, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
He must be referring to Bishop Land, they export the most sheep in the world, but in return they import the cheapest fighters in the game: Yak-3s and Brews.

Bish want cheap fighters, they just don't want to work for them.

It's All so clear, how can none of you see this correlation!
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: nooby52 on April 09, 2020, 05:18:56 PM
Neff, thanks! I can see it clearly, now you point it out.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Slate on April 09, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
    Since we are home schooling..............

Once upon a time there were sheep, but no one to protect them. They cried out out who who shall be our savior". There was no answer. Then they noticed in the trees there appeared many squirrels with cameras."Why why do you have the cameras?" the sheep questioned. The squirrels replied "We have been sent by the one to protect but not to protect you."
    Suddenly a great roar was heard as sky lemmings swarmed around the sheep threatening their peaceful existence. Luckily they were quite unskilled at their craft but more and more lemmings appeared. Just as the sheep thought they would be captured they saw their salvation as other sky beings clad in Green knocked down lemming after lemming until the remainder fled in haste. Turning their tail on friend and foe alike they scurried away and the Sheep were saved to live another day.

     What does this remind you of?  :bolt:
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: AKKuya on April 09, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
Spain was too busy with the Inquisition.  Interior programs kept true expansion curtailed in the New World.

Any argument can be made for and against.  History is written by the winners.  Prior to the invention of photography and audio recording, persons of history only left diaries, journals and letters for the historians to work with.

Either you take that a face value or consider them falsely written.  No empirical evidence will ever be 100% for or against.  We are left to our own personal thought, suspicions, and theories.

From a conspiracy point of view, this was fallout from when the Templar Knights were overthrown.  Royal families were still exercising their authority over the Church keeping the Pope and his representatives away from any power.  England, France and Spain were the superpowers with the navies.  No king or Queen wanted to be number two in that trio.  Ego played a huge part in national direction.

Conspiracy theory: Illuminati placed secret agents in the Courts of the monarchy and in the Holy See of the Vatican keeping them all at each others' throats.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Arlo on April 09, 2020, 05:59:32 PM
Prior to the invention of photography and audio recording, persons of history only left diaries, journals and letters for the historians to work with.

Either you take that a face value or consider them falsely written.  No empirical evidence will ever be 100% for or against.  We are left to our own personal thought, suspicions, and theories.

History is under constant scrutiny, revision and refinement. Even with sources that do not involve photography (still and moving) and audio recording there are comparisons of written data from multiple perspectives on both (or many) sides of an event that can provide both a broader and clearer picture. Yes, there will always be multiple professional opinions but that, too, offers comparison and contrast. Crackpot theories and conspiracy driven rhetoric generally stands out from legitimate academic study.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: FLS on April 09, 2020, 07:30:34 PM
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Now, what lesson can be taken from this ... and who can it be applied to?
 :salute

You clearly don't understand that this is only a forum for general topics about Aces High III.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: AKKuya on April 09, 2020, 11:28:28 PM
This could be moved to the Wishlist forum.  It would be cool to have Spanish galleon ships added to the game.  Jolly Roger could be a naval only country.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Ramesis on April 10, 2020, 07:39:33 AM
You clearly don't understand that this is only a forum for general topics about Aces High III.

I didn't realize that... I will correct the matter FLS... but... u gotta admit, some
responded  :D
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Chalenge on April 10, 2020, 11:42:01 AM
This could be moved to the Wishlist forum.  It would be cool to have Spanish galleon ships added to the game.  Jolly Roger could be a naval only country.

The English don't have trees anymore. Spain either I think.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: perdue3 on April 10, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
This could be moved to the Wishlist forum.  It would be cool to have Spanish galleon ships added to the game.  Jolly Roger could be a naval only country.

As passionate as I am about naval warfare, especially 17-19th Century, no.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Slate on April 10, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
The English don't have trees anymore. Spain either I think.

   Trees are imported, I have seen the making of Full Metal Jacket.  :rock
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: AKKuya on April 10, 2020, 12:54:00 PM
The English don't have trees anymore. Spain either I think.

 :headscratch:
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Shuffler on April 11, 2020, 05:20:00 AM
History is under constant scrutiny, revision and refinement. Even with sources that do not involve photography (still and moving) and audio recording there are comparisons of written data from multiple perspectives on both (or many) sides of an event that can provide both a broader and clearer picture. Yes, there will always be multiple professional opinions but that, too, offers comparison and contrast. Crackpot theories and conspiracy driven rhetoric generally stands out from legitimate academic study.

Oddly enough it seems that crackpots are teaching the so called "academics" in several places that were considered of  higher learning.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: perdue3 on April 11, 2020, 09:40:31 AM
Oddly enough it seems that crackpots are teaching the so called "academics" in several places that were considered of  higher learning.

It seems? And how many campuses have you been to where this is being taught?
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: guncrasher on April 11, 2020, 11:41:50 AM
The English don't have trees anymore. Spain either I think.

did you know the canary islands don't have any canaries?  same for the virgin island,  they don't have any canaries either.


semp
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Shuffler on April 12, 2020, 05:20:17 AM
It seems? And how many campuses have you been to where this is being taught?

You read about them in the news quite a bit.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: BTPommyB on April 12, 2020, 07:18:29 AM
The failure of the Spanish armada was about the weather. Just like Napoleon and Hitler at Moscow.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: save on April 12, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
The English don't have trees anymore. Spain either I think.

A mildly amusing story from Sweden, about wooden ships:

In the 1980's, a landlord called the Kings office headquarter, telling them now the planted kings oak trees are ready for cutting down (after 100 years of growth) for making ships   :D.
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Shuffler on April 12, 2020, 09:47:52 AM
A mildly amusing story from Sweden, about wooden ships:

In the 1980's, a landlord called the Kings office headquarter, telling them now the planted kings oak trees are ready for cutting down (after 100 years of growth) for making ships   :D.

Hehehe.  :D
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Ramesis on April 12, 2020, 11:57:59 AM
The failure of the Spanish armada was about the weather. Just like Napoleon and Hitler at Moscow.

I was gonna this as well but as others have posted... this is not the venue
 :salute
Title: Re: OK... lets try a history lesson...
Post by: Meatwad on April 12, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Spain was too busy with the Inquisition.  Interior programs kept true expansion curtailed in the New World.

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