General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JimmyD3 on May 03, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Title: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: JimmyD3 on May 03, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
For all you "300-" convergence pilots, how many of your kills are within the specified distance? Now I'm NOT a good fighter pilot, but I rarely get within 300 yards of a target in a dog fight. Most of the time when I get shot down, the enemy was in excess of 600 yards. Something just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: morfiend on May 03, 2020, 03:40:21 PM
Kenia,
What you see and what the other guy sees arent always the same,mostly do to latency.
It doesnt matter what convergence a pilot uses if you get hit, you get hit. Personally 300 yds would be a long convergence for me,most my guns are set between 275 and 150 depending on the gun and it's placement. I use 150 on the 30 mm hubgun of a 109,but thats just "my" preference.
So lets say you have a spit with wing guns set to 300 yds. At 600 yds the rounds are the same distance apart as when they leave the barrels,they've just crossed sides. Now how much they drop is a different thing and depends on muzzle V and the amount of dispersion coaded in.
hope that helps.
:salute
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: SPKmes on May 03, 2020, 03:46:50 PM
I think that you will find that most of the kills at that range will be from BnZers 51, 190, blue planes...etc ... I think most fifty cal guys are up to 600 convergence Most of the birds that get into turny bird fights bring in the convergence..and then theres the big round planes..which need them in close ... and then there are some who seem to have a really good aim...
Other than when things are running from me most of my kills are in close quarters..400 or less... I do manage the odd good 600 deflection shot... but that is usually so far under my nose it is a real hit and miss thing...
most times my kills come from a desperate BnZer trying to get the kill before the others and hit the deck hahahaha... I like it when I can get that to happen hahahaha
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: perdue3 on May 03, 2020, 04:31:32 PM
I fly for the snapshot, so most of my kills are within 300 I'd guess. I am checking film alot these days, I'll check yesterday's K-4 run to see the average distance.
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: LCADolby on May 03, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
Depends on the planes job but generally
200 Icon - 300 for TnB
400 Icon - 325 for BnZ
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: Mongoose on May 03, 2020, 06:40:29 PM
For all you "300-" convergence pilots, how many of your kills are within the specified distance? Now I'm NOT a good fighter pilot, but I rarely get within 300 yards of a target in a dog fight. Most of the time when I get shot down, the enemy was in excess of 600 yards. Something just doesn't add up.
Some people are just very good at long range shots. Also, take a look a the type of plane. If the guns are in the wings, convergence is a big factor. If the guns are in the nose, not so much.
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: icepac on May 04, 2020, 10:34:45 AM
I set the convergence for every single gun individually and according to the job I've assigned the plane.
I worry more about the vertical convergence of the various guns and pay zero attention to the horizontal.
I wish there were a 900yd convergence setting.
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: JimmyD3 on May 04, 2020, 01:06:57 PM
Thanks everyone for the excellent feedback. I am currently running most of my planes 575, which seems to be a sweet spot for me. :banana:
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: Vinkman on May 04, 2020, 02:15:50 PM
99% of my kills are between 200 to 400 yards. I set Convergence for 400. :salute
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: LCADolby on May 04, 2020, 03:44:23 PM
Why would you cross them and not just step them from inside nearest to outside farthest?
It's a personal preference, I suppose. For me, converging your guns to one specific range supposes saddling up your opponent at that specific range, consistently, to do max damage. If that works, its all well and good. Cross-convergence gives you a fair amount of damage at long range (considering closure, as well) that works for a range span (say 550-600 for an six gun platform). On top of that you get 'half convergence' at really close range (again, for an six gun platform that would be three guns converging at 200 on one side and three converging on the other - about ten feet apart from each other). It kinda gives you two convergences at once.
I'm not a great pretend WWII pilot so you might not want to go by me. Personal preference is ... well ... personal. I'm not the only player that's tried this in the past but I was just wondering if I'm the last soul in this game that still does. It wasn't being mentioned. :)
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 10, 2020, 06:59:49 PM
Read an interview with a Tuskegee pilot and that's how he mentioned he had his convergence points set at.
I never knew that. Thanks. (I'll hafta find that interview.)
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: hazmatt on May 10, 2020, 07:42:48 PM
Read this one about stepping, like I was mentioning but haven't found anything on crossing:
Some pilots preferred more than one point of convergence. In 1944 operating out of England, American Lieutenant Urban "Ben" Drew set the .50 in guns of his North American P-51 Mustang "Detroit Miss" to converge at three points: 600 ft (180 m), 750 ft (230 m) and 900 ft (270 m), with the inboard guns aimed closer and the outboard guns farther away. Drew felt that this gave him a suitable concentration of fire over a deeper envelope of engagement distance
Also found this:
A very close convergence point proved devastatingly effective for some pilots. The highest scoring fighter pilot in the world, German Major Erich Hartmann, set the wing guns (later cannon) of his Bf 109 to converge at 50 m (160 ft) because of his preference for waiting to attack until very near his opponent.
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: FX1 on May 10, 2020, 08:11:48 PM
Everything is set at 225. I have always had good aim within d400
Title: Re: Convergence Discrepanies
Post by: LCADolby on May 10, 2020, 10:45:26 PM