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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fscott on September 11, 2001, 09:13:00 AM
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I think it's time to bring the full brunt of the US power to bear.
I'm speechless.
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whoever it was, he's bought himself a nuke.
I hope the gov. keeps its cool and confirms who was responsible before reacting to it. This is very serious.
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both towers are down suspedcted bombs brought them down!!!
just heard that third hijaked planes is heading for washington. fighters now patroling!!!
Who evers done it they wont get away with it.
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Badjim, saw both towers go down live.
The 2nd one clearly has the top 15 or so floors collapse downward. Structural damage and fire will do it every time. The first tower also just started disintegrating from the top down, structural failure on a massive scale.
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saw it 2 all the channels in the uk have this on. Appently witnesses saw people just jumpin out the windows
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I'm mad as hell!
I think the last time America has been this pissed was Dec. 7th, 1941!
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Ozark, the 1941 tragedy was at least against a military target.
This is civilians... Pearl Harbor pales compared to this.
Pissed? That is too lightly a word.. the response will be in the "enraged" category.
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ack double post
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Tac ]
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I have heard on the news that military targets have been hit as well? Any other news that anyone knows? CBS is just reporting the Pentagon, and the World Trade Center. And apparently another 757 went down in Somerset County, PA- don't know what the target could have been there. The airplanes WERE FULL OF PEOPLE! For that matter, so were the Pentagon and the WTC.
Hell YES someone is going to pay for this. This is sickening. I just hope that we can find out who is responsible for it, and then we'll make it so they wish they had never been born.
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bomb them back into stone age
sitting here in germany and crying
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I feel shocked, disgusted. You cant help thinking that things will end up being like the film "The Siege".
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Appently witnesses heard an explosion and the first tower came down.
Just heard a 747 has crashed in pitsburgh
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No speechless anymore.
This is what political correctness gets you.
Oh we can't discriminate, we can't stereotype... Let's all just embrace each other with open arms and kisses...
diddly embracing. diddly non-discrimination.
The diddlyING tulips are Arabian diddlying loons who CAN BE STEREOTYPED. They will die for their religion.
If we don't stop being politically correct and nice, more of this will happen.
Sick to my stomach I am sorry, but I suddenly see every arabian as a terrorist.
If your arabian, I'm sorry, go diddlying stick it you "offended" diddly.
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: fscott ]
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Reports on Dallas radio are that it was a 747 bound from Chicago to NYC that went down in Pennsylvania....no word at this time if it is related or not.
Apparently we also shot down a large jet in the Washington DC area...is this true? Anybody else getting reports on this?
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Fscott somebody will pay but let's not jump to conclusions about who did this.
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how do you know it was not another dipshit american like OK city
dont jump to conclusions
whoever the motherdiddlyer is tho, they will find him.
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STill getiing reports in the uk that another hijacked plane is still heading 4 washington
Just as i was typing this as well, i have just seen isralis and pallistine's (excuse spelling i pissed off) CHEERING and CLAPPING
CAN you belive this!!
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Badjim.
Are we surprised? Not diddlying Arabians? Gimme a break Zigrat.
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The Isrealis have evacuated every one of their diplomatic buildings in the world. I seriously doubt you saw them clapping.
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Im not supprised at all scott
Got in from work at 145pm and the tv's switched to this horror. First thing i said to my dad " Bush wont stand for this"
The US fleet will deffenatly set sail for the middle east, in fact they are probably on the way.
But terroists are among us all.
In the UK london buidings are evacuating in fear of attack
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Fscott, you must be lost and think this is the off topic forumn from that 'other' place.
How about there be a list of possible retaliatory strikes starting with where ever there are demostrations celebrating this?
-Westy
(borrowed fromTex)
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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DUne
the isreli people were clappin
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Just heard on radio that a plane was seen moving at a high rate of speed over the Potomic river headed out to sea.
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: AirScrew ]
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air, where is that?
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Wars have started for lesser reasons than this !!
Lasse :(
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Its a disgusting act and you have my deepest sympathy,
latest reports : 1 plane had 58 passengers
there were reports but unconfirmed that there was spontanious celebrations in palastine.
Im sure all of my fellow countrymen were as shocked and outraged as I am.
Please though I URGE you dont jump to conclusions.There is no evendence as yet of who is responsible.It points to a much larger organisation than a lunatic suicide bomber.This was HIGHLY organised, very much different from recent arab related attacks.
The organisation had to hijack and alter routes precicely on time for all aircraft involved to arrive within minutes of each other.This is an extrememly frightening show of strengh.
Its the worst act of terrorism i have ever had the missfortune to witness and as an Englishman I have seen many attacks on my people.This is a time to remember what we value and not to throw ourselves into brutal war.The whole aim of these attacks is to destroy what we love and we must NOT let them succeed.
You find out who did it, then you diddly em up BAD.I wish America all the luck in the world in finding these terrorists.
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My sympathies and condolances, I'm so very sorry this has happend to you and your country. I can't stress this enough.
From a neighbour to the north. :(
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I am disgusted when civilians are attacked. In the Army, I was paid to be shot out... those people didn't deserve their fate. It is barbaric to celebrate deaths of innocent people. Terrorism is so hard to counter too... I'm sure there will be some airline safety changes... there should be doors on cockpits that can't be unlocked for any reason from the passenger compartment... regardless of the threat... because there are more lives at stake than the passengers on the plane. It is horribly ironic that we were considering dumping billions into and anti-missile defense when now we realize we had flying bombs for the taking already here.
Prayers to all
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The death toll will be in the thousands.150,000 people pass thru the WTC daily and the rescuers on the scene when the buildings collapsed.Then the Pentagon which has at least 5,000 people.The "experts" say only a few groups could have done this.Well,its time to eliminate those groups and the Pres.should tell the world that if those groups are in their country,we are coming and don't even think about stopping us.This is far worse than Pearl Harbor and an even worse act of war.But,don't go nuts and blame any Arab descent person in this country because they are probably as innocent of this as you are.We do not need a witch hunt.
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Originally posted by fscott:
I think it's time to bring the full brunt of the US power to bear.
I'm speechless.
i look at it this way. if it was Osama, or some other terrorist, the country that is harboring them, should be considered
as a enemy of the US, and now currently
at WAR with the US for helping them.
That means Afganistan which harbors
OSama, should now be considered
as purpatraitor of an act of war, and should
reap the resulting retaliations.
whels
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Don't jump to conclusions.
Remember Oklahoma? That HAD to be Islamic extremists, 'according to all sources', but it turned out to be an individual who had served for his country. Why couldn't it be orchestrated from within?
The footage I've seen was something out of Hollywood. I still can't quite believe it.
I like what Tony Blair (Prime Minister) said - something about the democracies of the world standing together to fight global terrorism.
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Dallas radio reports are saying that American Airlines is saying that they had 158 passengers on their 2 aircraft that were hijacked. Apparently the plane that went down in PA was a flight from Cleveland that was either shot down by our own jets or the pilot put it in himself after he confirmed to air traffic control that he had been hijacked.
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Badjim, Potomic river runs by Washington DC.
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Ya know it just coulda been inside militia instead of outside terrorist groups. We don't need to fly off the handle and make rash decisions. Find out who really did this. Take your time and do it right. Then do what is nessassary and prudent to them.
Rocket
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Oh my oh my. I agree to most of this, this is without doubt the most terrible terrorist act that has ever happened to any nation during human history, the people guilty for it should be punished for it HARD.
However, saying that it was iraq and syrian and all that and "let's nuke em right now" would be as bad, by doing that, you kill another million civilians and start WW3, this might not even be an act by an entire nation(s) but instead an act by a big, very well organized terrorist group, and they should be punished but not for the expence of more civilian lives, nomather what religion and belief they have.
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: Wilbus ]
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The Taliban in Afganistan is worried big time. Issuing statements to the effect and hoping "the courts" can find solutions...Scared outa there minds. Anyone else notice they were all, to my recolection, American Airlines aircraft? Sounds like they had someone on the inside.
Who ever, what ever, may they burn in hell for eterinity.
Who could twist a religion so far as to glorify acts such as these?
I wonder if Isreal needs a few more tanks?
I no longer believe in the word "restraint".
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The Taliban don't have the resources for this kind of thing.
Hijacking a plane in the Middle East is one thing, Hijacking 4 planes in the middle of the US, at the same time, and flying them into buildings is quite another.
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Right Lizard, Pour more fuel to that fire and see what happens.
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Originally posted by Staga:
Right Lizard, Pour more fuel to that fire and see what happens.
We'll find out in the next few weeks.
-SW
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Remember that after OK City, the terrorist groups were busy calling up the US saying they didn't do it. Maybe somewhere in their pea brains they realized what might happen if we thought they did it.
That being said, the only group I've heard take responsibility was the Democratic Front of the Liberation of Palestine.
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Originally posted by Staga:
Right Lizard, Pour more fuel to that fire and see what happens.
? The Taliban is the group in control in Afghanistan, right? They just issued a statement. And still are...as I type. The fact is, Bin Laden warned of this a few weeks ago. Afghanistan harbors Bin Laden. Obviously they are worried...er scared toejamless. Most everyone recognizes that Bin Laden, a multi millionaire, or is it billionair is about the only person or group with the funds and orginization to pull this off. I heard an hour ago, regardless of weather or not Palastinians were cheering, that Yasar Arafat denounced these terrorist attacks. He's worried as well. Honestly though, the PLO and or Hamas don't seem to have the funds nor finesse for something like this or they would've done something like this to Isareal. Fuel on the fire? LOL I think thats been done already. Turn on the TV...
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Actually Lizard3....it was 2 American Airlines and 2 United Airlines planes. The American flights both hit the World Trade Center and one of the United flights was the one that crashed in PA....the other United flight was probably the one that hit the Pentagon, but United hasnt said officially where they lost it at.
A lady came on Dallas radio today claiming to be an American Airlines employee and said there was an alleged incident that happened a few weeks ago in Greece or somewhere overseas where the aircrew's hotel rooms were robbed of uniforms and ID cards and passports, etc....but that is probably just rumors.
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not to mention lizard, that airlines do hold routes. AA may just have happened to hold the most convenient routes for these bastards.
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This was a highly organized attack, hardly the work of any lunatic fringe here in the US, this took "trained pilots" to take over and fly into the buildings and to take FOUR at once required massive planning, not to mention that suicide attacks are NOT American style (even in OKC the guy got away before the blast).
Restraint however is in order, chaos is what the attacker desires and we should NOT play into those tactics, the targets were obviously ment for HIGH profile coverage and NOT strategic value. We should take an even strain, find out who and THEN take proper action befitting a World Power.
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Yes, I see now. Two different airlines.
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My Sympethies and Condolances to all the US and to those who losted loved ones in this attack.
from another neighbour to the north.
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Originally posted by BigJim:
This was a highly organized attack, hardly the work of any lunatic fringe here in the US, this took "trained pilots" to take over and fly into the buildings and to take FOUR at once required massive planning, not to mention that suicide attacks are NOT American style (even in OKC the guy got away before the blast).
Hmmm... I would think that a "lunatic fringe" in the US is more than capable of this attack. It's like saying that those internal U.S. groups are too dumb to be organized.
It's pretty simple to get 4 people together who have basic flight skills to board some aircraft and crash them.
You don't need a huge int'l terrorist organization to execute such a horrible thing.
I agree restraint is needed, since making assumptions is pointless and could lead to
misguided persecution of the wrong people, thereby allowing the real perpetrators to get away.
Spinner
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I'm sick to my stomach first from what has happened, and second from the few countless gutless peacelovers and arab lovers on this board.
You are the reason for this happening. Your peace loving, open arms, love all people, diddlyed up philosophy.
Go to hell and rot you sick arab diddlys.
No wait, let me take that back...
First, come to my ranch... and gimme some of that terrorism.... I'll be waiting with open firearms.
[ 09-11-2001: Message edited by: fscott ]
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Spinner when is the last time you heard of an American sucide attack???? I think you missed my biggest point this is simply NOT how an American group would go about this type of attack.
I am NOT saying that our lunatic fringe is NOT capable of something like this but NOT with this method.
BigJim
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there is no terrist group that would not have liked to be the one to do this horrid attack, so wipe them all out. slaughter the whole lot of them. and dont give them a second chance to attack again.
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Spinner, you're looking at a lot more than just 4 people.
My guess would be closer to 50 to 100 involved in the planning and at least 3 to 4 for each plane.
You need at least 1 to pilot, perhaps 2 in case the first is incapacitated. Then you need 1 or 2 to control the passengers while the pilot flies.
While it's true that airport security is hardly airtight, think of the planning it took to get all four teams in place. We have not heard of any teams of terrorists who were prevented from getting onboard. Until we do, we must assume that only 4 were planned and all 4 were succesful.
The amount of planning for something like this must be staggaring. They took planes from 2 different airlines and 2 (3?) different airports. Each airline and each airport would have differences in security procedures which would have to be scouted throroughly.
This has been in the works for months. And it would be easy to just say that someone in the counter-terrorist community screwed the pooch. However, the alternative is even more frightening. What if they did their job? What if the bad guys either found a whole in the system or maintained such security that we had no way of seeing it?
Money, time, planning, skills to fly a 757, willingness to die, knowledge of airport security, coolness to get aboard the planes, timing and coordination in the extreme, and the list goes on. This is not the work of a bunch of whackos with a cheap alarm clock and some dynamite. This was a professionally done attack.
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I hope they bring these people to justice. My prayers go out for the friends and family of those who died today. The innocent people!
Where are those black boxes?????
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Originally posted by Spinner:
Hmmm... I would think that a "lunatic fringe" in the US is more than capable of this attack. It's like saying that those internal U.S. groups are too dumb to be organized.
It's pretty simple to get 4 people together who have basic flight skills to board some aircraft and crash them.
You don't need a huge int'l terrorist organization to execute such a horrible thing.
I agree restraint is needed, since making assumptions is pointless and could lead to
misguided persecution of the wrong people, thereby allowing the real perpetrators to get away.
Spinner
Most of the groups in American are anti-government. What would be the point in hitting the WTC for them? Unless they wanted the pure shock of that attack. I think they'd be more likely to go after government buildings like the White House or capital building. I have friends in that kind of group and though they differ some, they'll all have similar thoughts about how bad the government is trying trample the average citizen.
While I don't think we should indiscrimantely attack down the path any lead might show, I do believe that whomever did this needs to be found and made an example of. If was Ben Laden and if Afghanistan wants to continue harboring him instead of giving him up now, then send the B2s and 117s and start shutting the country down. Conventionally, ain't no sense in flipping nukes over this.
Whoever did this had to do some research. They took planes from the east coast bound for the west coast. They wanted birds with as much fuel as they could get for maximum impact.
**Just came across MSNBC that Laden is at the top of the suspect list.**
I bet the flight records will be interesting when they're recovered and analyzed.