General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mano on June 04, 2020, 06:20:23 PM
Title: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 04, 2020, 06:20:23 PM
If what the narrator says is true then if HiTech connects to this service, anyone that has this service will get to avoid the land based internet infra structure and have better lag and latency numbers than those using traditional internet service. Sometimes we see players who live pretty far away, like Australia warping around with a lot of packet loss. That is ruining their game experience in AH. The same in true for those connecting through services like HughesNet. This new satellite service will connect to all of the other satélites creating its own infrastructure that is much faster than the fiber optics used by most isp’s. He also mentions that this network is in a much lower orbit and that will help with latency inherent in legacy satellite services
No prices have been announced yet for what download and upload speeds but hopefully it will be a better deal than what is offered by the legacy isp’s. We shall see.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Maverick on June 05, 2020, 11:03:59 AM
As one who has used satellite internet I can tell you it WILL have lag and online gaming will not work. I tried it and I had a 2 + second, not millisecond but more than 2 second lag with an online game. It takes time to transmit up then down back to land line internet.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Eagler on June 05, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
I cannot see how bouncing your internet off a satelitte could not have lag in it
Marketing is not always truthful
Eagler
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 05, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
As one who has used satellite internet I can tell you it WILL have lag and online gaming will not work. I tried it and I had a 2 + second, not millisecond but more than 2 second lag with an online game. It takes time to transmit up then down back to land line internet.
Well, don't get me started on Elon. He does like to talk a bunch of B$ that he has a hard time delivering on.
But are you saying you tried Starlink? Or a standard sat service?
In that video they explained why they think it will be better due to the alt of the sats. Did you watch the video?
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Ramesis on June 05, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
So... what alt these "satellites" are orbiting... best case scenario is 186,000 mile per/sec to the closest one... it may be faster and available to to those in rural areas but even with the latency disregarded, there is no physical way it can be faster than ground based systems
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 05, 2020, 03:37:05 PM
So... what alt these "satellites" are orbiting... best case scenario is 186,000 mile per/sec to the closest one... it may be faster and available to to those in rural areas but even with the latency disregarded, there is no physical way it can be faster than ground based systems
It's explained in the video. Did you watch the video?
What ground based system? The who point is people in these isolated locations can't get ground based service and the service is reportedly faster than the currently available sat services.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Drano on June 05, 2020, 06:22:21 PM
How about project loon? Called that because.... It's just looney!
https://loon.com/
It's a real thing. I found out about it looking at my flight radar app. Saw a dot icon(not an aircraft) east of me one night. Clicked on it. Info said it was a balloon at 60k heading roughly south. I looked for some just now and sure enough there are three of them over Peru right now. So there's ways!
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 05, 2020, 07:24:56 PM
I watched the video twice. I got interrupted the first time and he does give out a ton of information. The satellites are in low orbit and are all connected to each other. It has its own backbone. This backbone is faster than the current fiber optic network. The point he is making is people in rural areas would connect and have way better lag and latency in comparison to what they experience now. If HiTech connects to this service they would get to avoid the internet that the people on land based systems are connected to. This is the key point. They would avoid the land based internet altogether and connect to HiTech over this network direct.
The next question would be if it is offered at a low enough price for HiTech to connect to this service. If it is too expensive it will not be worth it for HiTech to connect.
Watch the video again.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Meatwad on June 05, 2020, 08:25:57 PM
I bet he failed to mention that if the entire starlink fleet is deployed, you will no longer be able to take images of space from your own yard or from planet based observatories without 100 starlink satellites photobombing what you are trying to take pictures of. There are already pictures of starlink sats doing this
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Vulcan on June 06, 2020, 05:14:54 AM
I watched the video twice. I got interrupted the first time and he does give out a ton of information. The satellites are in low orbit and are all connected to each other. It has its own backbone. This backbone is faster than the current fiber optic network. The point he is making is people in rural areas would connect and have way better lag and latency in comparison to what they experience now. If HiTech connects to this service they would get to avoid the internet that the people on land based systems are connected to. This is the key point. They would avoid the land based internet altogether and connect to HiTech over this network direct.
The next question would be if it is offered at a low enough price for HiTech to connect to this service. If it is too expensive it will not be worth it for HiTech to connect.
Watch the video again.
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Sorry but as a networks guy I am very skeptical. They are not telling anyone any information about it's capacity and exact capabilities. For example what is the downlink speed? If you have to share a satellite with a 100 other users than that satellites downlink capability has to be shared between users.
The stuff about speed of light is just fluff. It's still very fast over glass. And how tight is a laser beam in space of large distances, is it susceptible to interference?
Oh and ummm rain fade?
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Maverick on June 06, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
Talk of speed is misleading in the internet, especially with satellite. While the upload and download speed might be considered "fast", especially compared to dial up the other factor that relates to gaming is latency. That is the lag I was referring to. Yes the signal is traveling at the speed of light. Compared to landline the speed is the same, speed of light but the landline will have a far shorter distance to travel. Then there is the bandwidth situation. In "peak" usage times you will be sharing the same chokepoint, the satellite. How much up and down can it handle and the downlink is another choke point. That bird has to transmit back to the ground into the sat system to transfer back to land line.
I checked out the latency, or lag, on a sat system for gaming before we left the house to go full time RVing. My DSL had great short latency playing America's Army. I hooked to my satellite modem and tried to log onto a practice server with no other players. I shot the wall and counted down how long the signal took to go up, down the return up and down to my modem. It was well over 2 full seconds before the hole from the shot showed up on my monitor. That means anyone on a land sine is going to see me and have more than 2 seconds to kill me before he shows up on my monitor to begin with. The physics of the system is going to kill you for gaming purposes. It's going to be fine for e-mail and regular internet usage that does not require lightning latency speeds.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 06, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
Talk of speed is misleading in the internet, especially with satellite. While the upload and download speed might be considered "fast", especially compared to dial up the other factor that relates to gaming is latency. That is the lag I was referring to. Yes the signal is traveling at the speed of light. Compared to landline the speed is the same, speed of light but the landline will have a far shorter distance to travel. Then there is the bandwidth situation. In "peak" usage times you will be sharing the same chokepoint, the satellite. How much up and down can it handle and the downlink is another choke point. That bird has to transmit back to the ground into the sat system to transfer back to land line.
I checked out the latency, or lag, on a sat system for gaming before we left the house to go full time RVing. My DSL had great short latency playing America's Army. I hooked to my satellite modem and tried to log onto a practice server with no other players. I shot the wall and counted down how long the signal took to go up, down the return up and down to my modem. It was well over 2 full seconds before the hole from the shot showed up on my monitor. That means anyone on a land sine is going to see me and have more than 2 seconds to kill me before he shows up on my monitor to begin with. The physics of the system is going to kill you for gaming purposes. It's going to be fine for e-mail and regular internet usage that does not require lightning latency speeds.
Did you watch the video?
Of course, Elon talks a lot of baloney, but according to the video, the much lower alt the these sats will stay at pushes latency into the 20ms range acceptable for gaming. We'll see, but that is the claim.
Also, the future sats will be incorporating a glare-shield to prevent interfering with astronomical observing.
Also, the primary use case for this tech is rural users who have no access to ground systems, fiber optic or otherwise. So there current options are cell phone or the conventional sats your are referring to. So this system only has to be better than those to be successful. It was stated in the video (Did you watch the video?) that this is not intended for high population density areas that already have access to high-speed ground systems.
Then again, Elon talks a lot of baloney sometimes. We'll see. But a lot of money is already being thrown in to this so maybe it will work. I have some land out in the boonies I go out to where I have to use my cell phone. If I ever decided to try and live out there, I'd need a better system, so I'm rooting for them.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Biggamer on June 06, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
I hope this works. ive had to use hotspot modems that's capped out at 15gb each I have 2 plus my phone and tablet also have 15 each and then I got via sat for downloads. had this problem for 20 plus years spectrum is 1700 yards down the road and wants 20 grand to run internet here. ive tried every 2 years for 20 years to get them to connect the loop and they wont its on both sides of me. when my contract is up with via sat im done with them too its pathetic. ill just stick to taking my PC to my brothers house to do downloads and my modems are more then enough to game.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 06, 2020, 12:03:49 PM
Sorry but as a networks guy I am very skeptical. They are not telling anyone any information about it's capacity and exact capabilities. For example what is the downlink speed? If you have to share a satellite with a 100 other users than that satellites downlink capability has to be shared between users.
The stuff about speed of light is just fluff. It's still very fast over glass. And how tight is a laser beam in space of large distances, is it susceptible to interference?
Oh and ummm rain fade?
Hiya Vulcan
I am by not means an ISP guy but in your opinion you don't believe that if Aces High is connected to this satellite service and players using StarLink cannot get better lag and latency numbers than what they get with their current Sat link set up?
If I understand correctly you do not need big d/l and u/l speeds to play AH. StarLink is not for urban areas and is designed for rural areas. I would not expect saturation to be a big problem since rural area are not densely populated. If AH is connected, players are not going through the nodes and hops of the internet backbone. They are out of that loop.
I do not know if this service is going to work for gaming, but I do hope that people who live in rural areas have superior service available at a competitive price. Also, people who travel allot will have another way to connect.
Amazon may have a similar system up and running soon. We shall see.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Ramesis on June 06, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
Acceptable for the rural folks BUT acceptable for those that b*tch about lag, stuttering and ping times?
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mister Fork on June 06, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
I’m an amateur astronomer and live on a farm. While I think cheap/fast internet is a good idea, those frucking satellites are a FPITA for scientific research. They’re destroying the night sky and messing up our ability to take photographs or conduct research.
NASA has already given Elon an earful about this - actually, every scientist who rely on the sky has given him a piece of their mind. So, the next batch are guaranteed to be dark - we’re waiting to see if he keeps his promise...
...or if we lynch him. :furious
:D
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 06, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
I have a Meade reflector telescope. It is one of the less expensive models. I live in the city and we have lots of light pollution so I have not noticed the satellites yet. I imagine they are all on the ecliptic and I'll take a look.
Making them darker would help and maybe in the next generation they could make them smaller.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 06, 2020, 02:26:37 PM
Of course I did... nothing was explained on how they are going to get around the physics of the speed of light much less latency :salute
I'm confused. I don't understand where we are having the disconnect. I thought the video was fairly self-explanatory.
Here is what I took away:
1. Speed of laser light traveling in straight line of sight, in the vacuum of space, is faster than light traveling through internal refraction though (lots of zig-zag bouncing between the boundaries) a glass fiber.
2. The new sats are orbiting at a much, much lower alt than the current conventional sats. That means shorter transit distance between sat and receiver/xmitter, which means lower latency.
3. Current estimates is that the system can provide latency to rural connection of maybe as low as 20ms, which is more than sufficient for competitive gaming. I'm 10 miles from HTC server as the crow fly's and my broadband cable connection is 34ms. So if they achieve anywhere near that , it will be impressive.
So where is the disconnect?
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 06, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I’m an amateur astronomer and live on a farm. While I think cheap/fast internet is a good idea, those frucking satellites are a FPITA for scientific research. They’re destroying the night sky and messing up our ability to take photographs or conduct research.
NASA has already given Elon an earful about this - actually, every scientist who rely on the sky has given him a piece of their mind. So, the next batch are guaranteed to be dark - we’re waiting to see if he keeps his promise...
...or if we lynch him. :furious
I'm much more concerned about encroaching light pollution. It saddens me the number of young people I've talked to who have never seen the Milky-Way except in pictures because they have always lived in a city.
Out at my land I have built a roll-off roof observatory and have a 12" Meade CAT on a permanent EQ wedge and pier. It's not been fully functional for the last couple of years because the drive gears got damaged. I have a set of precision milled brass gears to replace the cheap nylon OEM gears, I just have to get around to doing the major surgery. Besides that dang thing is HEAVY!
I hope to get it all fixed and the observatory cleared out/ squared away and ready for operations by Fall. I'll post pics when I get things cleaned up. Right now it's full of storage until I get the scope fixed. :mad:
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 06, 2020, 07:06:46 PM
I'm confused. I don't understand where we are having the disconnect. I thought the video was fairly self-explanatory.
Here is what I took away:
1. Speed of laser light traveling in straight line of sight, in the vacuum of space, is faster than light traveling through internal refraction though (lots of zig-zag bouncing between the boundaries) a glass fiber.
2. The new sats are orbiting at a much, much lower alt than the current conventional sats. That means shorter transit distance between sat and receiver/xmitter, which means lower latency.
3. Current estimates is that the system can provide latency to rural connection of maybe as low as 20ms, which is more than sufficient for competitive gaming. I'm 10 miles from HTC server as the crow fly's and my broadband cable connection is 34ms. So if they achieve anywhere near that , it will be impressive.
So where is the disconnect?
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Perfect. You get it. Great explanation.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Ramesis on June 07, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
I'm confused. I don't understand where we are having the disconnect. I thought the video was fairly self-explanatory.
Here is what I took away:
1. Speed of laser light traveling in straight line of sight, in the vacuum of space, is faster than light traveling through internal refraction though (lots of zig-zag bouncing between the boundaries) a glass fiber.
2. The new sats are orbiting at a much, much lower alt than the current conventional sats. That means shorter transit distance between sat and receiver/xmitter, which means lower latency.
3. Current estimates is that the system can provide latency to rural connection of maybe as low as 20ms, which is more than sufficient for competitive gaming. I'm 10 miles from HTC server as the crow fly's and my broadband cable connection is 34ms. So if they achieve anywhere near that , it will be impressive.
So where is the disconnect?
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1. Speed of laser light traveling in straight line of sight, in the vacuum of space, is faster than light traveling through internal refraction though (lots of zig-zag bouncing between the boundaries) a glass fiber.
Uhhh, first, laser light is still light and according to physics is capped at the speed of light and the zigzag u reference increases the distance of travel
2. The new sats are orbiting at a much, much lower alt than the current conventional sats. That means shorter transit distance between sat and receiver/xmitter, which means lower latency.
You confuse the latency with distance traveled... latency is the turn around time from reception to transmission due to the electronics involved and the shorter distance is only shorter at the point directly beneath... the farther the receiver is from that point, the more time it takes the receiver to receive it
3. Current estimates is that the system can provide latency to rural connection of maybe as low as 20ms, which is more than sufficient for competitive gaming. I'm 10 miles from HTC server as the crow fly's and my broadband cable connection is 34ms. So if they achieve anywhere near that , it will be impressive.
The operative word is maybe, I won't believe it until I see it and as far ur 34ms broadband... stick with the broadband before signing up
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Meatwad on June 07, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
I thought the speed of light is a constant?
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 07, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
Speed of light in a vacuum is a limit. It can never go faster than that.
Light can travel slower in other mediums.
Review how a refractive lens works.
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Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Ramesis on June 07, 2020, 02:42:27 PM
Of course, Elon talks a lot of baloney, but according to the video, the much lower alt the these sats will stay at pushes latency into the 20ms range acceptable for gaming. We'll see, but that is the claim.
You need to double check that. Latency is the first hop, from your RF (not light/laser) ground station to the satellite is expected to be 20-35ms. Then it has to travel across their network in space and get back down to the ground. ie. another 20-35ms. So your ping to HTC is going to be 40-70ms + whatever the mesh routing time is within the satellites.
Of course that does not factor in that the satellite you share might be congested.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Vulcan on June 07, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
I am by not means an ISP guy but in your opinion you don't believe that if Aces High is connected to this satellite service and players using StarLink cannot get better lag and latency numbers than what they get with their current Sat link set up?
If I understand correctly you do not need big d/l and u/l speeds to play AH. StarLink is not for urban areas and is designed for rural areas. I would not expect saturation to be a big problem since rural area are not densely populated. If AH is connected, players are not going through the nodes and hops of the internet backbone. They are out of that loop.
I do not know if this service is going to work for gaming, but I do hope that people who live in rural areas have superior service available at a competitive price. Also, people who travel allot will have another way to connect.
Amazon may have a similar system up and running soon. We shall see.
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I would expect it to provide decent enough web browsing. But given the issues with ground stations talking to satellites... the stuff elon dances around... I doubt it will make a good gaming option. You'd be better off with 4G/5G.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Vulcan on June 07, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
I really don't think I'm going to argue this with someone who doesn't understand how the speed of light works.
Don't forget that fibre cable is giving the signal a clean isolated environment to travel over. How will space light sources such as the sun impact on the laser signals?
If I understand correctly the satellites are non-geostationary therefore you will need to have station handoffs? And how will the ground stations deal with high speed internet RF management when satellites are moving at 7km/sec.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 07, 2020, 05:25:03 PM
Don't forget that fibre cable is giving the signal a clean isolated environment to travel over.
What's really being forgotten is that fibre really is a pointless distraction here.
What is really being discussed is bringing broadband internet to isolated rural households who might not even have cell coverage currently. Lets assume it is not being proposed to run fibre to every mobile and modular home out in the mountains and deserts of rural America.
If their choices are HughesNet (or some other conventional sat service) or Starlink, which is most likely to deliver a superior service?
I've driven through lots of places in Texas that don't even have cell coverage, so I'm skeptical the rural 5G promises would ever provide a general solution.
To me, from the design specs presented, Starlink looks to potentially be the better design.
Of course, one has to remember Hyperloop....Cough.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Shuffler on June 07, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
AT&T has about 97% cell coverage in Texas now.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 07, 2020, 05:42:02 PM
Now that's a conundrum. Who am I more skeptical of; Elon or ATT? :noid
Do you use that RV'ing?
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 07, 2020, 06:37:55 PM
It looks like ATT has a "Fixed Internet" wireless plan that is interesting. They are only showing 4G coverage where I am. External antenna that has to be professionally installed for $100 and 250gb limit. Pfft.
I don't see 5g working in rural areas for years and years. 4G would be bearable, but not exciting.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: mikeWe9a on June 07, 2020, 09:03:58 PM
The speed of light *in a vacuum* is a constant. In simplified terms (because UNsimplified requires a discussion of quantum physics that I doubt anyone here- especially me- has the background to do), the speed of light in various materials varies between very slightly and much slower than that, based on the electromagnetic properties of that material/medium. It is this reduced speed that allows us to make prisms and lenses out of glass, for instance - the change in speed at the boundary results in a change in direction for light not hitting perpendicularly. In typical fiber, the speed of light is around 30% slower than in a vacuum.
That fiber still passes light at around 120,000 miles per second though, so traveling 3,000 miles (across the continental United States, for instance) would still occur in only 24 ms, if it were a single uninterrupted run. The majority of latency for most internet communications comes from the many nodes that the data travels through. At each node, the data is received (completely), then it is checked for errors, the next hop determined based on its final destination, and then added to a queue to be sent on that next hop. As the total traffic through a node increases, the delay for the processor at that node to process each data packet increases, which then increases the total travel time for the data, regardless of the actual physical distance traveled.
Mike
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: BoilerDown on June 08, 2020, 01:55:38 AM
Geosynchronous orbit is ~ 1/10th of the way to the moon. Elon's satellites are basically right on top of us. The latency you've heard about with satellite internet before now doesn't apply.
Now that's a conundrum. Who am I more skeptical of; Elon or ATT? :noid
Do you use that RV'ing?
Yes. Funny thing is I have been with our bunch on several occasions when we have the only phones working dependably. Even on the guadalupe along River Road. We camped at River Road Camp with 5 other RVs, all friends. Their phones would work if they sat at the end of the picnic table and nowhere else. We called it the phone booth. Yet our AT&T phones never lost connection.
I'm not a big fan of the company but they do have the coverage in Texas.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: CptTrips on June 08, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
Yes. Funny thing is I have been with our bunch on several occasions when we have the only phones working dependably. Even on the guadalupe along River Road. We camped at River Road Camp with 5 other RVs, all friends. Their phones would work if they sat at the end of the picnic table and nowhere else. We called it the phone booth. Yet our AT&T phones never lost connection.
I'm not a big fan of the company but they do have the coverage in Texas.
I think they would have to get 5G coverage equal to their 4G coverage to compete with Starlink once that goes online. I doubt 4G would be competitive unless they vastly under-priced Starlink.
Competition is good. I hope it put pressure on both the get rid of that outdated concept of data limits. I think eventually data limits will go the way of long-distance charges. It was just assumed for ages that was the way it was, until it wasn't one day.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Shuffler on June 08, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
I do not game when out camping. I would not even try to by cell.
That sounds more like a nightmare than any type of fun. :D
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Vulcan on June 08, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Geosynchronous orbit is ~ 1/10th of the way to the moon. Elon's satellites are basically right on top of us. The latency you've heard about with satellite internet before now doesn't apply.
It is still relatively high as a first hop. And you now have to manage power differently and do handoffs. Not really optimal for gaming.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Maverick on June 09, 2020, 10:05:15 AM
I did ok for gaming using a phone as the internet link. The way I did it was to tether the phone (4g signal strength at least 3 bars) to the computer via the charging cable. That kept the phone charged up and there was no wifi link to the phone signal. I ran that way for a couple years and averaged about 125 ms as opposed to my current land like / wifi of 55 to 65 ms. If I did it using the phone as a hot spot the latency went up just a little bit but the phone battery went down fairly rapidly. I found out about that visiting the grandkids in a rural part of Louisiana where I used the phone propped in the window as a hot spot for my tablet, otherwise I would have to be outside for my tablet to get the internet.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Shuffler on June 09, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
I did ok for gaming using a phone as the internet link. The way I did it was to tether the phone (4g signal strength at least 3 bars) to the computer via the charging cable. That kept the phone charged up and there was no wifi link to the phone signal. I ran that way for a couple years and averaged about 125 ms as opposed to my current land like / wifi of 55 to 65 ms. If I did it using the phone as a hot spot the latency went up just a little bit but the phone battery went down fairly rapidly. I found out about that visiting the grandkids in a rural part of Louisiana where I used the phone propped in the window as a hot spot for my tablet, otherwise I would have to be outside for my tablet to get the internet.
Interesting..... endeavor to persevere.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Vulcan on June 09, 2020, 02:54:48 PM
That what be an expected result for phone tethering mav. The phone is a lot close to to the cell tower (kilometers instead of hundreds of kilometers), and the cell tower is not flying over at thousands of kilometers an hour.
Title: Re: New internet service for rural areas coming soon
Post by: Mano on June 09, 2020, 07:58:45 PM
This is a similar video. It may be hard to play AH on StarLink, but at least if you live in a rural area you have another alternative for connectivity.
My uncle lives in the Sierra Nevada mountains and connects with HughsNet. He does not watch videos for two reasons. One, the d/l speed is slow and two, he is only allowed a certain number of gigs per month or there is a premium price to pay if he goes over his limit. He is retired.