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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: oboe on July 13, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
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So I'm looking at updating more of my P-38Js and ran into some conflicting info and thought I'd ask for research help. One of 80th's '38Js I've done is an OD version of "Jandina", based on this profile:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32814)
However I've run into photo evidence that the OD aircraft Robbins flew did not have the red, white and blue spinners - that these were on his next Lightning after this. The image below shows the plane I skinned but with green spinners.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400453.0;attach=32626)
Here we have the colorful spinners, but they are on a bare-metal bird:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400453.0;attach=32622)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400453.0;attach=32624)
Actually I now noticed the colorful spinners appear to have two different versions. One version seems to have 3 colors but the other only 2 colors. The profile version has a white stripe in the middle of the spinner.
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That is my bird... wooot. Can't wait to see her updated.
Lookas as though Jandina III was BM with multi color spinners. Jandina IV BM and had green spinners. https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html (https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html)
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Do you have another photo of "Yellow A" that shows more of the spinners? From that photo all I can see is a white stripe on a dark shade but that's about it. It could be red and blue, or green, or just about anything really.
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The only other photo I have is this restoration, but it does back the idea of green spinner with white trim on the OD aircraft:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32816)
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Here is the answer. Im sure I have seen a photo with spinners your looking for I have to go to work now so when I get home I will take a look.
(https://i.imgur.com/zqDmuSPh.jpg)
Colour image of one his other P-38's.
(https://i.imgur.com/SMiUOdgh.jpg)
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https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html (https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html)
Jandina IV
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https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html (https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/43-28832/p38-jandina-iv-nose.html)
Jandina IV
That's Jandina IV. That's a bare metal skin I also have in the game. Robbins seemed to go through a lot of '38s. I think Dan has this straight, but I still get confused by it. Working backwards, Jandina IV is a bare metal '38J with green/white spinners. Jandina III is a bare metal '38, with 19 kill flags, and the colorful spinners. Jandina II appears to be a OD plane (without the name "Jandina" on the nose) with 13 kill flags and a yellow A on the nose. Don't know what the original "Jandina" looks like; maybe its that '38G Lyric posted a color photo of.
I think its *possible* that Jandina II started out with the green/white spinners and they were later painted red, white and blue. Jandina III was always a bare metal '38 and had a different version of the colorful spinners, without the center white stripe. Whatever I do, I would prefer to to have it backed up by photographs, if possible.
For more confusion, here's a painting of "Jandina IV", with fewer kill flags than depicted on Jandina III:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32819)
Glad you posted that link, Shuffler - it has 21 kill flags and its pretty clear that the spinners have a green nose cone with a bare metal base, rather than a white base as depicted in the painting.
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I want my colorful spinners.... :D they are mesmerizing.
MAKE IT SO...... OBI WAN OBOE!
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I want my colorful spinners.... :D they are mesmerizing.
MAKE IT SO...... OBI WAN OBOE!
Oboe Wan Kin-obi. He's Obi Wan Kin- :roflobe's cousin.
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Found another profile. I think there are definitely two different versions of the colorful spinners:
The ones on Jandina III (for which we also have photo evidence):
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32856)
And the older one, which we only have photo evidence of the green spinners, but there are at least two art profiles which essentially show this scheme:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32858)
I'm assuming Robbins had the spinners painted colors at some point after he got the plane, and carried a different version of the spinners through onto Jandina III. I think it would be OK if I just updated this plane as olive drab, skinned just as it was before.
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While I like OD better than BM, I believe they prefer using actual photographs as art often has mistakes.
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This might be the most definitive information yet, with a color photo. Seems to back up the first version of the colored spinners, on an OD '38J. Funny, it was transferred to the 475th FG!
https://m.facebook.com/HowdiColourWork/photos/a.102951747940970/142801683955976/?type=3&source=57&__tn__=EH-R (https://m.facebook.com/HowdiColourWork/photos/a.102951747940970/142801683955976/?type=3&source=57&__tn__=EH-R)
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Well other pics show the OD has the green and yellow. This one is a rather excellent color photo for the time. Perfect for showing just how the scheme was applied on the spinners.
Are you sticking with the OD or going BM and keeping the red and white spinners?
While I like the red and white spinners, you fellas do the hard work and I am just along for the ride. If you do the OD. That will be my new ride as I know it will look so much better updated. I can't wait either wayyyyyy. LOL
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I'd prefer to leave it unchanged (OD) as long as its correct. I think I found the photo evidence I was looking for with that last link I posted.
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I'd prefer to leave it unchanged (OD) as long as its correct. I think I found the photo evidence I was looking for with that last link I posted.
Either way it's my heyday. :salute
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Found the full-size version of the file (click the image to enlarge):
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=400649.0;attach=32864)
And the accompanying text:
This rare image of P-38J-10-LO "Jandina II" Serial Number 42-67590, looking very war weary after transfer to the 475th FG. Interesting to note (just visible) is the painting over of the red checkers that were painted around the spinner band when with the 80th FS, and the nose has has been sunk in to make-shift ditch, or may have sunk there during severe rain!?
She was originally assigned to the 5th Air Force (5th AF), 8th Fighter Group, 80th Fighter Squadron "Headhunters". Her pilot being Jay T. Robbins with crew chief S/Sgt Devereaux. A large squadron Letter "A" was painted in yellow on the left side of the nose. Nicknamed "Jandina II" by Jay T. Robbins as the second aircraft assigned to him with that nickname, an abbreviation of his name "Jay" and his wife's nickname "Ina" joined together. Officially called "Jandina II" the name was never painted on the aircraft. Instead, on the left side of the nose (on the nose gun cowling) was the nose art of a Buddha figure wearing a robe with both hands raised upward. Below the cockpit on the left side of the nose was "Pilot Capt J. T. Robbins" and a scoreboard with Japanese rising sun flags representing his aerial victory claims. Below was stencilled "Crew Chief S/Sgt Devereaux". This art is unfortunately hidden (if not painted over) from the nose-panel being lifted for servicing taking place.
Afterwards, Robbins was assigned P-38J "Jandina III" 42-103988. Sometime after late March 1944, Jandina II; was transferred to the 475th FG "Satan's Angels", 432nd Fighter Squadron "Clover". The prior markings of the large yellow "A" on her nose, the name "Betty" on her port engine, have been painted over with new OD paint. The previous red spinner checkers re-painted in yellow a spinner band, and OD nose cone tip, and the sqdns four leaf clover painted on the tip of the nose with new yellow gun-port trim. It was assigned a (currently unknown) new three digit tail code somewhere in the range of 140-169. The ultimate fate of this aircraft is also unknown, most likely scrapped or otherwise disappeared.
Photo: Jack Cook Private Collection.
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Interesting to note (just visible) is the painting over of the red checkers that were painted around the spinner band when with the 80th FS, and the nose has has been sunk in to make-shift ditch, or may have sunk there during severe rain!?[/Snip]
Hmmm I missed the part where it said you could see where the red checkered had been painted over. So it could still have that and be good to go. :D
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Geronimo II is another nice one. I likey the OD ones mo betta.
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