Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Greebo on November 23, 2020, 05:49:49 AM
-
Thank you to Lyric1 for finding me the info for this skin.
The 39th Fighter Squadron based near Port Moresby in New Guinea converted from the P-39 to the P-38 in early 1943. As squadron ID all their new aircraft were decorated with a set of white shark teeth on each nacelle and blue spinners. Later on eyes, black lips and red mouths were added to the nacelle art. This particular aircraft, number 20, was flown by Captain Curran "Jack" Jones and he shot down four of his five kills with it. When Jones was posted Stateside in mid-1943 it became the mount of another five kill ace, the Squadron CO Major Charles W King. Some time between July and September he had checkered tails painted onto his aircraft, presumably for easy identification by his pilots. In December he too was posted home, just as the squadron was transitioning to the P-47D.
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401722.0;attach=33460)
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401722.0;attach=33462)
-
:aok
-
Very nice......
-
Looking great!
-
Superb. That bottom pic shows why the shark mouth looks so right on the early '38.
-
Wow, what a beauty!
-
Amazing work!
Really shows your incredible attention to detail and sets a new bar for P-38 submissions! The finest P-38 skin in game, easily.
-
The difference in the updated model shows. I can't imagine how many monitor's you'd have punched a hole through to get her to look what would be considered bad, as best. :)
-
Just as a side note the 39th carried on with the checker tails and some shark mouths into Korea with the F-86.
(https://i.imgur.com/Oh5ePb1h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6O6Ym2Nh.jpg)
-
The red outline to the star and bar was not used in the PTO for obvious reasons. It was just the white bar added behind the star in the blue circle.
-
Thanks for the correction Guppy. The photo I have of this aircraft shows dark borders around the white bars on the markings. The blue circle part of these markings appear to be the same diameter as their white stars and my initial assumption was that there was a red border outside this that is not discernible against the camo paint. What seems more likely to me now though that the ground crews first added white bars and then blue borders to the original 1942 markings, but without adding an expanded blue border to the circle.
I've already submitted this skin so I can't change it at the moment. But I'll correct it for the next skin batch.
-
The red outline to the star and bar was not used in the PTO for obvious reasons. It was just the white bar added behind the star in the blue circle.
It became obvious after enough fratricide shootings of pilots firing at flashes of red. There are examples of Japanese front aircraft with the red outline though.
Here is just a few.
(https://i.imgur.com/14mZPHVh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rIHu8qXh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lKFazpEh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Rrad25Lh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8qCqzgJh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nH1Kld6h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QjFWPtch.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PHkdo27h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9zMO1Mwh.jpg)
https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/a-20/43-9113.html
-
Can the pilots in the P-38 be reskinned? In game the pilots look they are wearing RAF tropic or desert uniforms.
-
Can the pilots in the P-38 be reskinned? In game the pilots look they are wearing RAF tropic or desert uniforms.
It doesn't appear so. Although the skin submission form still lists files dude1.bmp and dude2.bmp as optional submissions, there is no effect on the pilot figure when I include these files in my working folder for a new skin.
My guess is the submission form is out-of-date for the new P-38s, and the new pilot model bmp(s) are not exposed to the skinner when we save a default skin.
-
on my favorite roundels...
-
It became obvious after enough fratricide shootings of pilots firing at flashes of red. There are examples of Japanese front aircraft with the red outline though.
Here is just a few.
I'm speaking more specifically about 5th AF birds. Sorry I was not clear on that. The Aleutian 38s may have had red around the roundels. Having spend a lot of time on the 54th FS, I don't recall coming across a photo of one. I never trust profiles, and I love doing them for fun :) Was there a photo of a 39th 38 with red around the star and bar? I dug through the 39th FS history and didn't find any. I'm not stating there is no chance that one existed, but it was not the norm in the 5th AF
In general, in the photos that are clear in the histories of the 5th AF 38 groups it shows just the white bar, and later the blue outlined star and bar after the short lived red outlined version was dropped. I suppose new production aircraft made when the red outlined star and bar was used may have arrived in theater with the red outlines. But the practice with the 5th was to eliminate them for the obvious reasons.
-
Here's a nice color one of 54th FG P-38E's? F's? with the red bordered star:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401722.0;attach=33479)
-
Check this guy out.. lotsa stuff going on, might make a great display for the new 3d shapes.
-
Lyric1 has already found me a lot of photos of "Spirit of 76" and its definitely on my radar. The colour photo of 54 th FS P-38s is interesting, the extent to which the medium green is painted across the leading edges wings of the nearest aircraft is not something I have seen before.
-
That lighter green on the leading edges of wing and horizontal stabilizer is very unique - the pattern is asymetric, and doesn't conform to any underlying panel sections.
Could it be paint discoloration due to deicing chemicals? I imagine they had to often clear plane wings of ice and snow buildup before missions...
-
That's George Laven's first "Itsy Bitsy" in the color photo. Number 80 on the nose.
-
The light green could be discolouration due to chemical attack but to me it seems too regular for that and the USAAF marking paint on the LH wing isn't affected the same way. Also the rest of the formation does not show the same effect. I think a field-applied paint job seems more likely.
Apparently Laven flew two P-38s with the 54th FS, both named "Itsy Bitsy", the first was number 76 and the second number 80. "Spirit of 76" was a different airframe to Laven's number 76 though.
-
80s tail surfaces seem to have the neutral grey applied, in roughly the same manner that exhaust stains would form on the surface. Could this be a colorized photo, with the colorizer mis-interpreting wetahering details and applying color differences where none should be?
-
Fourth pic down
https://www.life.com/history/aleutian-islands-campaign-rare-and-classic-photos-from-wwii/ (https://www.life.com/history/aleutian-islands-campaign-rare-and-classic-photos-from-wwii/)
Original
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/squadron-of-american-lockheed-p-38-lightning-fighter-planes-news-photo/53315688 (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/squadron-of-american-lockheed-p-38-lightning-fighter-planes-news-photo/53315688)
Motherload
https://artsandculture.google.com/search?q=dmitri%20kessel%20aleutians&hl=en (https://artsandculture.google.com/search?q=dmitri%20kessel%20aleutians&hl=en)
-
There are dozens of pics of those 38s and others... check this out
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/OgF0AKFlIPbiVQ?hl=en (https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/OgF0AKFlIPbiVQ?hl=en)
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/pwGUVh2SxsYm4Q?hl=en (https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/pwGUVh2SxsYm4Q?hl=en)
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/-gGnrH3AGIWpHw?hl=en (https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/aleutian-islands-s-a-b257/-gGnrH3AGIWpHw?hl=en)
-
Very cool Fencer, thanks. I'm at a loss to explain that pattern. Doesn't seem like a camo; seems far too extensive for touch-up of leading edge chips and scratches...<shrug>
-
Maybe flying in the weather up their wore away the plant on the leading edges..