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Title: point value of radar
Post by: Scared on November 25, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
I destroyed 3 radar's and got 600 points when I landed my bomber. Why is something as strategically important as radar worth so little points in the game? :headscratch:
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Arlo on November 25, 2020, 04:07:11 PM
I destroyed 3 radar's and got 600 points when I landed my bomber. Why is something as strategically important as radar worth so little points in the game? :headscratch:

Dunno. Town's rack `em up, though. I think the best I've done on one sortie was 36,000 or so with a flight of B-17s dropping on 3 or 4 town centers that were unblemished.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Shuffler on November 25, 2020, 06:10:00 PM
I destroyed 3 radar's and got 600 points when I landed my bomber. Why is something as strategically important as radar worth so little points in the game? :headscratch:

I betting it is because they are so easy to take down.  They also are not really that critical.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Mongoose on November 25, 2020, 06:11:36 PM
The points are based on the damage points necessary to destroy the object.  There are a bunch of other multipliers, but it starts with the damage points done to the object.  Radar and town buildings are 313 lbs, thus 313 points, according to an old list that I have.  I don't know what other multipliers could affect the score.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 25, 2020, 07:17:07 PM
I destroyed 3 radar's and got 600 points when I landed my bomber. Why is something as strategically important as radar worth so little points in the game? :headscratch:

Rader is teh noob to destroy. Go for VHs  ;)
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: The Fugitive on November 25, 2020, 08:14:56 PM
The issue is it is based on math and not strategics.

If you drop a single bomb on a radar tower you get the radar tower. If you drop the same bomb on a town you get the building you hit as well as a number of other buildings around it due to "splash damage", and so more damage points.  Thats why if your looking for points it is better to hit town centers, or at least drop through the "meat" of the town. The strats are too spread apart so you lose damage points due to the spacing. 
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Scared on November 25, 2020, 08:52:17 PM
i dunno guys. i just feel like taking out the only radar at a base should be worth more than 200 freakin' points. You can call it newbism or whatever but that single radar is strategically more important than those stupid unoccupied town structures. even if you are saying that radar is not important, for the game it is exponentially more important than some random town building.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Scared on November 25, 2020, 08:53:20 PM
ruminations of a disgruntled buff pilot. LOL
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: The Fugitive on November 25, 2020, 09:29:23 PM
You just have to decide if your going for points or are you going strategic?
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: atlau on November 25, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Killing dar increases your chance of survival and makes intercepts harder. Thats reason enough to kill it.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Scared on November 25, 2020, 10:11:50 PM
I just feel like if we are going to assign a value to targets then more important targets should be worth more. i like razing civilian buildings too, but surgically striking the enemy radar on the front line should be worth something too.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Mongoose on November 25, 2020, 10:28:16 PM
But the strategic value of the radar varies greatly depending on the situation.  I can destroy a radar at a base where nothing is happening, and it may have no strategic value whatsoever.  I can destroy all the guns at a town, and that may have a much higher strategic value than the radar.  There are far too many variables to be able to award points based on strategic value.  Awarding points based on structural damage is simply math.

Aces High is a game that is won by strategy, not score.  Big numbers are fun, but it is strategy that makes the real difference.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Scared on November 26, 2020, 08:19:30 AM
yeah I get ya. I just want to feel good about myself when I take out radar. LOL. makes sense though.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Shuffler on November 26, 2020, 08:21:32 AM
yeah I get ya. I just want to feel good about myself when I take out radar. LOL. makes sense though.

If you play by score alone, burnout is in your future. Just enjoy the fight and flight.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: The Fugitive on November 26, 2020, 08:42:23 AM
yeah I get ya. I just want to feel good about myself when I take out radar. LOL. makes sense though.

You should feel good about taking out a radar when you do. I know guys that have been here years and still miss the dar more often than hit it.

You shouldnt need "points" to feel good.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: atlau on November 26, 2020, 09:25:28 AM
You should feel good about taking out a radar when you do. I know guys that have been here years and still miss the dar more often than hit it.

You shouldnt need "points" to feel good.

Radar, even with the new settings is a valuable target. Ords are another high value target. Generally low risk and easy to kill but with high payoff to friendlies. VH and guns too but those are more difficult or riskier.

I usuay fly fighters so picking your targets based on the aid to friendlies and the ordnance available is a calculated decision and in my opinion is a nice feature of the game.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Shuffler on November 26, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
You should feel good about taking out a radar when you do. I know guys that have been here years and still miss the dar more often than hit it.

You shouldnt need "points" to feel good.

This!

It is not too hard to hit, but hit it you must. There are those that have been here quite some time that miss it regularly.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 26, 2020, 02:16:20 PM
yeah I get ya. I just want to feel good about myself when I take out radar. LOL. makes sense though.

I always thought radar should have been harder to destroy in the first place rather than make all of the other adjustments to radar. Just my opinion though. Always thought it was too easy to take down. Thats the first thing everyone goes for which makes all of the dots dissappear, thus possibly confusing new players about where the action is if no green dots are near.

In all reality. If you get VH and Ord. You will be doing far more for your team. Ord prevents bombers and attack planes from rolling. VH prevents those pesky tanks from rolling to kill your tank squad trying to sneak the base, or spawning out to steal yours. Barracks are many, but it will prevent a quick resupply from the enemy on that field.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Arlo on November 26, 2020, 02:22:00 PM
Always thought it was too easy to take down. That's the first thing everyone goes for which makes all of the dots disappear, thus possibly confusing new players about where the action is if no green dots are near.

Dar bar indicates action. New guys probably need to be taught to have green dots near when it comes to base grabs.

Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: atlau on November 26, 2020, 04:21:25 PM
I always thought radar should have been harder to destroy in the first place rather than make all of the other adjustments to radar. Just my opinion though. Always thought it was too easy to take down. Thats the first thing everyone goes for which makes all of the dots dissappear, thus possibly confusing new players about where the action is if no green dots are near.

In all reality. If you get VH and Ord. You will be doing far more for your team. Ord prevents bombers and attack planes from rolling. VH prevents those pesky tanks from rolling to kill your tank squad trying to sneak the base, or spawning out to steal yours. Barracks are many, but it will prevent a quick resupply from the enemy on that field.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

Killing dar makes it much more likely for hey fighter and buffs to make it to their target tho
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: Shuffler on November 26, 2020, 06:01:33 PM
Killing dar makes it much more likely for hey fighter and buffs to make it to their target tho

I disagree. Just 3 planes upping can cover and paint any incoming aircraft.
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: guncrasher on November 26, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
I disagree. Just 3 planes upping can cover and paint any incoming aircraft.

planes would have to be near the edge of the dar to see anything coming.

killing dar gives you a chance to avoid detection. specially helpful for bombers and Goons.


semp
Title: Re: point value of radar
Post by: atlau on November 26, 2020, 08:00:57 PM
I disagree. Just 3 planes upping can cover and paint any incoming aircraft.