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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Cane on December 29, 2020, 07:05:23 AM
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Do you carry with a round chambered?
I do for several reasons
The time required to rack the slide and possible errors while doing so.
I have always hunted with a round chambered relying on my trigger finger as a safety
In a aw s*** situation time will be of the essence
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A lot depends on what you are going to carry and exactly how. Example. If you are carrying a small pistol in your pocket without a holster and you have other items in the same holster you are being foolish to carry one up the pipe. Carry in a holster in a pocket no other items that is different, but I am still some what uncomfortable carrying any varient of a 1911 style pistol in a pocket cocked and locked. Just my particular opinion. I much prefer either IWB or OWB holstered for that kind of handgun then definitely cocked and locked. I now prefer to carry a striker style of pistol rather than a 1911. Far too often I checked and found the thumb safety was off just carrying it.
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"You'll shoot your eye out"
Don't be this guy
https://youtu.be/j9rfqSk9TrM
Eagler
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Do you carry with a round chambered?
I do for several reasons
The time required to rack the slide and possible errors while doing so.
I have always hunted with a round chambered relying on my trigger finger as a safety
In a aw s*** situation time will be of the essence
SURE DO!!!! Like you said,"always hunted with round in chamber..."! SAME! A lot can change between "Notice of Danger an reaction times". If I am going to be effective, in my defense...Chambered is a MUST!!! If you are ON TARGET, with the FIRST/FASTEST SHOT...big advantage! PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE I pity the FOOL that makes me draw down!
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Guns should be banned :)
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I do, an emergency situation may not allow time to jack a shell in.
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The solution is to carry two guns.
One in safe mode and one ready to go. :D
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When GV'ing heck yeah, Kenai might see me first.
When hunting absolutely.
When in public walking around, never.
In the car on a trip yes. - - - - With the utmost respect to those of us that carry and IMHO to each their own.
Stats say that as responsible gun owners and those that carry concealed - accidental shootings are minimal and improper use (when it happens), is rare when compared to untrained and illegal use. However, I question the motive to have a round chambered. This isn't the Wild West where you are going to have to quickdraw against Bad Bart.
If the "S" comes down or an emergency arises, the fact of the matter is "most" of the time its going to take several seconds to recognize the danger, several more moments to identify the person or persons that is the imminent threat, and then several more moments to decide on a course of action. Meanwhile your chambered round has provided no protection.
I watch many in here when confronted in the "Game" that either take several seconds to react or inadvertently pull the trigger and fire "wherever" as a reaction rather than as a conscious effort to quick draw and shoot and stop the "perp". If you are speaking as a store clerk, jeweler, bank teller, teacher etc that's had a gun pulled on them and put in their face, that's a different story. Of all the mass shootings, and emergencies how many of us have been in that scenario?
I have friends both in and out of law enforcement that regularly sign up for and attend training for conditions and scenarios such as this. How many here do the same? I know I don't. Just as in the game, if you are not practicing/ training for this scenario continuously then what is the point if only to make you feel better. That in itself doesn't make you safer. I would argue if you are not continuously training for this scenario under facilitated conditions - then a chambered round is one less link in the chain of safety.
Out of all of you that carry chambered, how many have had to face any of the above mentioned experience? Out of all of us how many have found their weapon safety "inadvertently" off? One time is one time too many.
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One hopes to never have to use it.
You can carry empty.... it is your choice. They are not going to sit and wait for you to get ready.
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Thanks. . . .
You must be around a lot of “They” and seen em in action to know. . . . . lol
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Well, I carry a Glock, trigger finger is my only safety :devil I have only had to draw, 1 time, it was enough to change the guys course of action. Knife at 20 feet,is unsettling, I think about it often. I dont think I would have drawn, if I had to chamber a round. Maybe, if it was just me and him? Was a kid, and ballsy pulling a knife on 4 adults, but someone might have been hurt if I had to chamber.I practice both ways. Isnt that much more time involved, I just prefer chambered. I treat all firearms as loaded anyway, and it should be like that for everyone....so might as well be Chambered. Thats just how I think about it. I am just glad I didnt have to shoot and no one was hurt. It caused some friction with in our group...one girl hated guns..oops!I didnt know? Eh, her guy wasnt that close of a friend anyway. They ended up getting married...to each their own I guess :rofl
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Thanks. . . .
You must be around a lot of “They” and seen em in action to know. . . . . lol
You don't get a second chance. It's not a game. Not something to joke about.
Like I said, we all hope we never have to use it.
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I just read about a Finnish EU commissioner in Brussels who was robbed and beaten to a half a year coma and wheelchair one night when he was walking to his apartment after a late dinner. What kind of firearm would have saved him from the attackers sneaking behind him and crushing his skull with a blunt object?
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I just read about a Finnish EU commissioner in Brussels who was robbed and beaten to a half a year coma and wheelchair one night when he was walking to his apartment after a late dinner. What kind of firearm would have saved him from the attackers sneaking behind him and crushing his skull with a blunt object?
This has nothing to do with the OPs question. Sounds like the guy was not very aware of his surroundings. He made himself an easy target.
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Do you carry with a round chambered?
I do for several reasons
The time required to rack the slide and possible errors while doing so.
I have always hunted with a round chambered relying on my trigger finger as a safety
In a aw s*** situation time will be of the essence
Bottom line is do what you are comfortable doing. I know people who carry one in the tube and others without.
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This has nothing to do with the OPs question. Sounds like the guy was not very aware of his surroundings. He made himself an easy target.
Oh, was he talking about hunting? The following comments about pistols made me miss that as hunting with a pistol isn't allowed here. Apparently it is over there.
As far as making himself an easy target, how should he have walked home? Urban commando style?
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Biz, stop being obtuse. Using an example of a nebbish who is absolutely clueless about his surroundings is hardly a good one to make a point about. Let me give you a bit to research on. Look up Col. Coopers colors of awareness. I would say that the vast majority of folks, go around in what is known as condition white. Totally unaware of who or what is around them as they travel routinely in their usual routes, just not paying attention until something gets in their face. Like your guy in the EU. Picking a victim for a "bad guy" is all about maximizing the bad guys safety and minimizing the victim's. They want to hit a clueless person who is not paying attention so they can get close and take control before the victim notices any sign of danger.
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Spot on Maverick. :aok Condition “WHITE” while sleeping.
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I do not carry but my 9mm hammer noodles when I jack a round
Slight trigger pressure and it fires
Are you saying you walk around with the hammer cocked?
Eagler
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Bottom line is do what you are comfortable doing. I know people who carry one in the tube and others without.
This! :aok
If you are not comfortable, you will not carry. It may save your life or a loved one.... or maybe even a stranger. So carry the way you feel comfortable.
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Biz, stop being obtuse. Using an example of a nebbish who is absolutely clueless about his surroundings is hardly a good one to make a point about. Let me give you a bit to research on. Look up Col. Coopers colors of awareness. I would say that the vast majority of folks, go around in what is known as condition white. Totally unaware of who or what is around them as they travel routinely in their usual routes, just not paying attention until something gets in their face. Like your guy in the EU. Picking a victim for a "bad guy" is all about maximizing the bad guys safety and minimizing the victim's. They want to hit a clueless person who is not paying attention so they can get close and take control before the victim notices any sign of danger.
You live in a much more dangerous world than I. Agreed, there's people who walk the streets staring at their phones instead of paying attention to the traffic. Yet they don't get run down by cars since the drivers are mostly alert enough. Keeping a keen eye to the surroundings in fear of being attacked at 10 PM is not a necessity here. BTW do you call all sharp dressed men past their 40th "nebbishes"?
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You live in a much more dangerous world than I. Agreed, there's people who walk the streets staring at their phones instead of paying attention to the traffic. Yet they don't get run down by cars since the drivers are mostly alert enough. Keeping a keen eye to the surroundings in fear of being attacked at 10 PM is not a necessity here. BTW do you call all sharp dressed men past their 40th "nebbishes"?
Evidently the guy in your story thought so too.
Believe me... it is not fear, I care about my family. My family cares about me. All it takes is one loose nut.
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Record firearm sales...there is a good reason for it
When rioters are not charged or have politicians making bail for them and local gov does not back the police...the public will have to protect itself
Eagler
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You don't get a second chance. It's not a game. Not something to joke about.
Like I said, we all hope we never have to use it.
I pre-empted my post with "to each their own" (meaning I will try to respect others) perhaps you missed that. I carry a Sig and like 1Stpar3 I don't worry about the saftey being on or off. However, that does not negate my philosophy, training, and sense of responsibility as a gun owner.
Life is nothing but a game. My response was directed at your comment as you seem to think that because you disagree with me, your opinion is more important, and that somehow you are more aware of the perceived danger that is out there. That's pretentious and I find humor in that.
We (Gun owners) are all on the same team. Opinions (Americans, Non-Americans) vary, take it, don't take it, but it's prudent to realize that their are others just as smart and just as aware as you. Just because our philosophies differ doesn't make one better than the other.
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I just read about a Finnish EU commissioner in Brussels who was robbed and beaten to a half a year coma and wheelchair one night when he was walking to his apartment after a late dinner. What kind of firearm would have saved him from the attackers sneaking behind him and crushing his skull with a blunt object?
They're called pocket pistols. You combine them with an awareness of your surroundings. You always want to be aware of your surroundings because sometimes you see people who need help, as well as people who might harm you.
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Well, let this be my last post in this thread.
Here we really live in "condition white", most of the time. Most of the homicides happen if a) you're drunk and alone in the wee hours or b) your (ex) spouse doesn't want to let you go on your life without him/her. The most common weapon is a knife, seconded by violence without a weapon. Guns are on the third place, in the North shotguns, in the East rifles and in the West pistols. The most common reasons are drugs, problems with relationship and mental problems. Doesn't that read that you shouldn't fool around the girlfriend of a random boozing buddy with a knife?
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Chambered. You are the ultimate safety.
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Well, let this be my last post in this thread.
Here we really live in "condition white", most of the time. Most of the homicides happen if a) you're drunk and alone in the wee hours or b) your (ex) spouse doesn't want to let you go on your life without him/her. The most common weapon is a knife, seconded by violence without a weapon. Guns are on the third place, in the North shotguns, in the East rifles and in the West pistols. The most common reasons are drugs, problems with relationship and mental problems. Doesn't that read that you shouldn't fool around the girlfriend of a random boozing buddy with a knife?
Having watched a big guy with a knife chasing a little guy down the street I was inspired to ponder the best way to stop similar incidents. Responsible citizens with firearms are more likely to stop violence than to add violence.
How would you stop somebody with a knife who is bigger, stronger, and faster than you?
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How would you stop somebody with a knife who is bigger, stronger, and faster than you?
.....and at least 21 feet away from you.
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You live in a much more dangerous world than I. Agreed, there's people who walk the streets staring at their phones instead of paying attention to the traffic. Yet they don't get run down by cars since the drivers are mostly alert enough. Keeping a keen eye to the surroundings in fear of being attacked at 10 PM is not a necessity here. BTW do you call all sharp dressed men past their 40th "nebbishes"?
People are people the world wide. There are those who have items that others want, without having to work for them themselves. In addition depending on the alert level of a driver because you are too damn stupid to watch where you are going is asking for a darwin award and frankly speaking the gene pool would be better off if they earned it. Stupid can't be cured but the condition is often fatal.
Being a nebbish has absolutely zero to do with how snazzy or not you dress but if you bothered to look it up you already know that. It is only related to the definition. (neb•bish (ˈnɛb ɪʃ)n. Slang.a pitifully ineffectual, inept, and timid person. ) and what you do with the mind / body you were granted at birth. A nebbish survives only because others are willing to look out for those who cannot / will not look out for themselves even though physically un impaired.
If you look like an easy mark, are clueless about your surroundings, there will eventually be someone who will take advantage of your impending victimhood.
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I pre-empted my post with "to each their own" (meaning I will try to respect others) perhaps you missed that. I carry a Sig and like 1Stpar3 I don't worry about the saftey being on or off. However, that does not negate my philosophy, training, and sense of responsibility as a gun owner.
Life is nothing but a game. My response was directed at your comment as you seem to think that because you disagree with me, your opinion is more important, and that somehow you are more aware of the perceived danger that is out there. That's pretentious and I find humor in that.
We (Gun owners) are all on the same team. Opinions (Americans, Non-Americans) vary, take it, don't take it, but it's prudent to realize that their are others just as smart and just as aware as you. Just because our philosophies differ doesn't make one better than the other.
I simply care about my family and they care about me. You can read into it whatever you want. What you do doesn't really matter to me as long as it does not affect my family.
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You might consider getting a dictionary out for those big words. You will be able to follow the posts in the forum with ease.
:salute
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I was looking for a Thesaurus, but I think they are extinct.
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I was looking for a Thesaurus, but I think they are extinct.
where have you been, dinosaur have been extinct for millions of years.
semp
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Cobra_38spl.jpg)
Problem solved. Great pocket revolver. 15 ounces empty. Amazingly accurate.
6 rounds of .38 +P. (+P ok for occasional use). No safety. Always ready. No chambering a round. .38 +P = good 9mm.
If you need 15 rounds of 9mm, I can’t help you.
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Oh, and all gun owners are NOT on the same team.
There are Effing Idiot NRA members that state no civilian person should own a Modern Sporting Rifle (AR) and no magazine should hold more than 5 rounds.
Those people are definitely NOT on my 2nd Amendment Team.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Cobra_38spl.jpg)
Problem solved. Great pocket revolver. 15 ounces empty. Amazingly accurate.
6 rounds of .38 +P. (+P ok for occasional use). No safety. Always ready. No chambering a round. .38 +P = good 9mm.
If you need 15 rounds of 9mm, I can’t help you.
I own a SW .38 that looks very similar to that, which was handed down to me. It was my Fathers Service revolver for 25+ years.
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S&W never made one that light until the Scandium ones. They never managed a 6 shot cylinder in a pocket.38 either.
Colts for me. I have started collecting these.
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Oh, and all gun owners are NOT on the same team.
There are Effing Idiot NRA members that state no civilian person should own a Modern Sporting Rifle (AR) and no magazine should hold more than 5 rounds.
Those people are definitely NOT on my 2nd Amendment Team.
Interesting... The NRA drawing coming up has some really nice ARs in it.
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where have you been, dinosaur have been extinct for millions of years.
semp
:rofl I needed that,Brother now come over and clean my monitor, someone spit Copenhagen all over it :rofl
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I used to be very anti-gun. Not anymore. Since this Covid stuff happened I have changed my mind. When the starving mobs come to my door for my last can of corn, they better watch out. And I am not kidding. I have completely did a 180 on the whole gun issue. My daughters like to make fun of me for changing so quickly because I used to complain about my grand-kids being taught to use guns before they were 10 (by their other Pap), now I am glad they were taught and my 12 year old Grand boy got first deer the other day. So far they haven't slung me any deer jerky but I am still waiting. Back to the original topic...i am undecided about it. i don't have a handgun. just a shotgun.
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The only "pocket" revolver I have had experience with was a S&W 642. I am not a fan of having an exposed hammer on something going in a pocket. Too easy to snag on the draw. Having 6 rather than 5 is nice but for that my old model 66 2.5" was a better choice but not a pocket gun as it was a K frame with a hammer and moveable sights.
I have never been a colt revolver fan. They were always too high priced for my blood back on the day. I think a Python is very pretty but I'm not going to spend that kind of money for one, either old style (fragile) or the new version. If I were going to spend that amount I'd look for a nice semi custom 9mm pistol and optical sights now that the eyes have gotten well into their 6th decade.
I thought the SCCY semi's in 9mm with optical (red dot) sights was a really smart move for those folks. A tad large for pocket carry in jeans but a smart move to put a red dot on a bargain price handgun to try out the red dot without having to modify a gun you already own before deciding it they are for you or not. I was impressed and when I tried one at the local range the trigger pull wasn't bad. Of course I am an old school wheel gunner from the 70's so a double action trigger pull isn't a big deal. Easy to shoot and more than accurate enough for a very small handgun. They have since come out with a striker fired version (ala Glock) also can be had with optics but I have never seen one in a shop or gunbroker yet. I'm thinking they had "teething" problems and pulled them back for redesign or something.
Given how red dots are being accepted for duty use by several departments I am convinced they are the next version of the normal handgun for the near future.
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The only "pocket" revolver I have had experience with was a S&W 642. I am not a fan of having an exposed hammer on something going in a pocket. Too easy to snag on the draw. Having 6 rather than 5 is nice but for that my old model 66 2.5" was a better choice but not a pocket gun as it was a K frame with a hammer and moveable sights.
Mav, I have put the Colts in the pocket holsters (DeSantis Nemesis, Uncle Mike's cheapo) and have practiced withdrawing the same. I don't carry anything else in that pocket and snagging has not been a problem. Not saying it couldn't but it comes out easy. And, yes, 6 is better than 5 in a lighter package.
Additionally, Colt made a hammer shroud for the DS/Agent/Cobra that essentially makes them hammerless and adds a bit over an ounce. They are available and retrofit easily. You can still cock the hammer and go single action too.
(https://media.joesalter.com/ca/large/26789/26789-01.jpg)
Revolvers almost never ever jam, you don't have to worry about working a slide to chamber a round, you can actually carry in a jacket pocket and fire multiple times from within the pocket if you had too. That usually won't work with a semi auto. As a plus, it's light, < 20 oz loaded. I find that while I have a safe full of handguns, I don't carry the heavy ones, I carry the lightest.
The beauty is there's a plethora of pocket pistols from which to choose. The Agent works well for what I need. YMMV, so pick what works for you.