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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HamrDown on January 09, 2021, 09:19:17 AM
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Time to bring back ENY.
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Time to bring back ENY.
Oh this will drive the kiddies up the wall.
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It was rather strange yesterday, 36 Bish online, 16 inflight. Maybe they were taking a hot cocoa break. :cheers:
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Knits and rooks suck. Thats why nobody wants to switch to that side
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Knits and rooks suck. Thats why nobody wants to switch to that side
Flying rook I can’t deny we suck at the team game lol. Lots of good individuals flying individually, I take what I can get with zero thought of winning.
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I think this is the biggest problem. Bish seem to like to work together, knights and rooks not so much. To a lot of players on the Rooks and Knits, it seems that the only way to play is to rack up kills, and the quickest and easiest way is best. Vulching, picking and so on.
I dont think the "win the war" types dominate play any more. Of course that was the "hey day" of the game. Big squads going head to head pushing for the win. Of course that generated far more fights which kept the "fighter" guys busy/happy, and opened room for those looking to pick and vulch for easy kill counts. With the loss of that team aspect pushing for the win on the Rook, Knit side it leaves the Bish as the only team really "going for it!" , which adds to the issue of few fights on the rook knit front.
Bringing back ENY really wont slow the Bish down all that much as they just will continue to work together for that next base. It will get them pissin' and moaning about the handicap and make the defence on the Rook/Knit fronts a bit easier as they should had the better equipment, but not by much.
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I've only flown Knight since 2004, I agree with Fugitive it used to be Squad vs. Squad with huge missions back in the day focusing on base captures. We've lost a lot of players over the years and with that went the organization and team mentality. I'm lucky if I see 4 people from my squad on at the same time nowadays.
But hey if anyone needs a buff to take out a town or CV you know how to find me!! :aok
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Bish have many more active squads on. Mainly more in the morning.
Knights/Rooks have much more solo flyers I noticed much more on Knights.
Rooks like to furball and its give n take with knights, they like killing red things.
The numbers have been wayyy off lately, especially in the AM hours. I see Bish with consistently 40-60% in the arena and I am glad to see it sort of evens out at prime time.
I dont know if bringing back ENY would be a good thing. To me, it never evened out the numbers and the switch time is absolutely horrendous.
What would make some people's head explode is if they auto join to a team to balance out #s with inclusion to squaddies.
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Time to bring back ENY.
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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36/18/8 were the numbers at one time Friday
I think it was the buzzsaw map
Went to the 8 side and had to fly 2 sectors to get a pw on the first pass when I finally found a fight
Boring as hell...I can see why newbies do not stick around
Need much smaller maps and if the sides do not balance out of decent game play, force the sides to even
Eagler
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36/18/8 were the numbers at one time Friday
I think it was the buzzsaw map
Went to the 8 side and had to fly 2 sectors to get a pw on the first pass when I finally found a fight
Boring as hell...I can see why newbies do not stick around
Need much smaller maps and if the sides do not balance out of decent game play, force the sides to even
Eagler
Was it followed by bish complaint that rooks and knights weren't fighting?
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With or without ENY, Bishops will have the numbers. Having ENY on or off makes no difference.
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No on ENY.
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With or without ENY, Bishops will have the numbers. Having ENY on or off makes no difference.
It makes a difference in planes.
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With or without ENY, Bishops will have the numbers. Having ENY on or off makes no difference.
Agreed... been that way ever since I can remember
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I dont know if bringing back ENY would be a good thing. To me, it never evened out the numbers
It was never meant to even the numbers. ENY is a handicap for the side with a substantial numerical advantage.
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Yak-3 is 18 ENY. Spit 9 is 20. G-14 is 20. FW 190A-5 is 25. Unless you want to face nothing but P-40s and P-39s, having ENY on is not going to do much except take Pony's and Doras away.
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It was never meant to even the numbers. ENY is a handicap for the side with a substantial numerical advantage.
Agree. But it also served as a motive that if you really wanted to fly a low ENY fighter/tank, you had the option to switch sides.
I love the system now with NO ENY. I can up a C205, typically now the perk point for Knight is consistently 2x which I think assuming would be 10 perks for killing a pony/LA or spit sixteen.
You would not have those targets available to you if ENY was in place. I know most don't care about perks, some want to win the map and that gets you what? bragging rights? Perk points? You get 25 in each category. You can easily surpass that with minimal effort if you switch to the low numbers.
I have seen a lot of new names playing. I am not sure if its a new crowd or older players renewing subs. I do pray though they dont get discouraged and decide to quit because it can be very frustrating to the newer players.
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I think having more people in the game is better than putting eny back and having more people log off making the #s lower. A higher # count intrigues more people to log on. With ENY, it encourages players to log off. Id rather have lopsided #s that don't really mean much anyway, than more people log off and show less #s in the MA. Once the morning is over, the teams usually even out quite well and normally bish have a hard time after that.
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I used to only play AH. For many years it is all I played. I now have 2 other games that take up most of my free time.
It really does not matter to me anymore.
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I think this is the biggest problem. Bish seem to like to work together, knights and rooks not so much. To a lot of players on the Rooks and Knits, it seems that the only way to play is to rack up kills, and the quickest and easiest way is best. Vulching, picking and so on.
I dont think the "win the war" types dominate play any more. Of course that was the "hey day" of the game. Big squads going head to head pushing for the win. Of course that generated far more fights which kept the "fighter" guys busy/happy, and opened room for those looking to pick and vulch for easy kill counts. With the loss of that team aspect pushing for the win on the Rook, Knit side it leaves the Bish as the only team really "going for it!" , which adds to the issue of few fights on the rook knit front.
Bringing back ENY really wont slow the Bish down all that much as they just will continue to work together for that next base. It will get them pissin' and moaning about the handicap and make the defence on the Rook/Knit fronts a bit easier as they should had the better equipment, but not by much.
last week bish had 70 players on 3 or 4 nights in a row almost all using 5eny planes against 30 knights 40 rooks where is that faui
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With or without ENY, Bishops will have the numbers. Having ENY on or off makes no difference.
makes a difference on the planes they can fly
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If my only choice is to be out numbered 4:1 or higher by 5 eny planes I just log off now. With eny I at least stuck around to fight off what I could and do so in eny10+. They can roll an empty map.
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Bish are like roaches.
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Knits and rooks suck. Thats why nobody wants to switch to that side
Oh my
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I think this is the biggest problem. Bish seem to like to work together, knights and rooks not so much.
When do those Bish play??? The nights I play I only see the "Furballin & Spawn Camping type. :bolt:
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When do those Bish play??? The nights I play I only see the "Furballin & Spawn Camping type. :bolt:
Morning, Mid Day, Evening.... Cover and obey J0KER at all costs or else... :neener:
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Time to bring back ENY.
Nope! It sucks donkey testicles and drives away customers. I would suggest an alternative but I already have. I suggested we ask HT to unlock country changes with a short or no delay for change backs but the pansies in this community want to cry about spying!
Not that spying is really stoppable ....
There are a couple of ways one can spy that no one can really do anything about.
I can log in, sit in the tower, Open my map, stream to youtube (Private or public) and share the stream with my buddies on the other teams. I can even walk way and let it run while I am at work, having lunch or rubbing one out in the shower. Remember one of the big gripes about NMY is the lurkers sleeping in the tower.
I can log into a shade account and do the same thing for my own sides benefit, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person with a second PC capable of playing Aces high and Streaming (I have 5 computers that can handle AH and stream it).
Heck if my son is in AH MA, I'm the one that pays for his account, and He's a minor, therefore I have legal access to said account.
So the spying issue is complete bovine feces and the people that buy into it are idiots.
NMY drives away customers, It drove me away once, and I was ready to cancel my current subscription until HT turned NMY off. If it comes back the way it was, I'm gone.
Honestly NMY didn't do crap other than drive players away to less stressful more accessible games. The only balancing it did was make people log off and ask why they are paying for this type of customer experience.
Come up with an alternative, leave it off, or get used to low numbers.
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Nope! It sucks donkey testicles and drives away customers.
The lack of team balancing doesn't?
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The lack of team balancing doesn't?
That is the problem .... it does not balance, it may make a few people like me log off, and consider canceling their subscription, but honestly most people just fly the next plane in the list they can, and the other side(s) still get mowed over, you just get mowed over by slightly older aircraft.
So even with NMY on you are going to have balance issues because it does not balance the sides it simply cuts off some planes.
I do not agree with the simple turning off NMY as a solution. I think it was deliberately self-defeating, HT even prophetically stated as much. But I honestly would take NMY off and out of the game than use it the way it has historically been implemented.
Low numbers can and often does make the problems with NMY even worse.
I think NMY can only work if people can change sides and then change back as faction populations normalize or overcompensate.
Some other ideas have been to remove NMY when numbers are at certain low numbers.
To remove tower nappers from the NMY equation (so they don’t count) – some claim this was already true before nmy was turned off.
I think someone came up with the idea to apply NMY to GVs Planes and Bombers separately. This one is interesting because I have gotten up late at night with NMY so bad all the corsairs were locked out, yet we only had a couple guys flying and they were outnumbered in the air 3 to 1. However, we had some 10 to 20 players on the ground spawn camping in Ground Vehicles one poor rook and about another dozen knights sleeping in the tower or playing with their sheep.
I think I’m one of the few and the loudest champions of leaving NMY on and allowing fast country change backs. Such as allowing you to change from bishop to knight and then 15 to 30 minutes later able to change back.
The only counter to it is that it would make spying easier and more of a problem. That may have been true back in AH1 and the early days of AH2 but now with social media and streaming that point has become mute as you absolutely cannot control spying in any way shape or form. Toss in shade accounts stream peaking/sniping and ya spying is no longer a controllable issue.
The benefits of ‘fast country change backs’ is that encourages people to change countries without the fear they can’t change back when their squad mates or a bestie shows up on their old country or they can’t change to another country when their new country becomes overcrowded due to a knee jerk reaction from the players.
Sometimes NMY can follow you when you change countries. It’s actually rare but it can and does happen.
Another benefit is improving Comradery and Community over the game as a whole, and this is a real big one. Rapid country changes with NMY allows and encourage players to fly/drive with other pilots and drivers that they normally would not. It encourages people to get to know the other guy. People start working with people that they normally would not. Pretty soon it becomes about the game and fun not some silly loyalty to a chess piece. I’m willing to bet 200 would be much less of toxic cesspool. I actually came back from FSO once and after a few hours of play I noticed how non-toxic the game was and how great people where to each other …. Then I released I forgot I ‘detuned’ channel 200 in FSO :/ …. Ya the game is so much better and less stressful when you ‘detune’ 200 in the MA. That is kind of sad and another thing that drives player away specially newbies.
We need newbies even squeakers if this game is going to last up until they pull the cord on Hitech’s life support … that’s plugged into the servers UPS.
I remember when we had two or three 500 player MA’s and one was always full. Now we are lucky to see 200 at prime time in an MA that supports 1000. We are losing players. We are losing players to other games, we are losing players to frustration, and sadly we are losing players to the ravages of time. This game has been around since 1999 and this community has been around since at least 1987 and some of us where old when it started while some of us were not even a twinkle in daddy’s eye.
We are not picking up enough new players to replace the ones we are losing and to make matters even worse we have people leaving due to low numbers. If I’m not mistaken we had a slight active player spike when NMY was turned off.
I think one of my squad mates said it best “Aces High is a Niche game that has a steep learning curve that isn't really accessible to the newb and most of the Xbox generation. It lacks both the pretty factor and accessibility of WarThunder as well as the pretty factor complexity and fidelity of DCS and IL2. Unfortunately Aces high is not catching the players as they move between the accessibility of WarThunder and the fidelity of DCS and IL2 due to pretty factor.” That’s not word for word exact but that’s what he said.
Unless someone has a million dollar add campaign in their pocket and or a new high end pretty graphics engine in their pocket that can run well on older hardware …. We need to sell this game. We need to get our family and friends involved. Maybe name drop on forums at work on social media. Players need to stream and tell their friends and family about their streams. We need to draw old players back.
What this game really has in spades is its community and the community's relationship with the games developer and it's a true mass multiplayer game that can handle 1000 player in a single arena .... Unfortunately we only have about 50 to 200 players in the MA at any given time. The days of seeing 500+ in the MA are pretty much gone and I don't see them coming back any time soon.
Here I am preaching from on high about how we must save our game and community (Can I get hello Jaffar!?!) and yet … Good God! I find NMY more frustrating than getting my corn dog stuck in the mustard jar! It really makes me want to quit.
I preach to my kids when they go off on the ps4 and start screaming at the TV and toss one of my very expensive controllers around the room “STOP! If the game frustrates you that much play something else and if it is really that bad uninstall it and trade it in. Games are meant to be fun!”
I am NOT A DARKSOULS PLAYER! NMY the way it was will me make rage quit one to many times cancel my account and delete the game. As some here said “I now have 2 other games that take up most of my free time.” I have more than that. Except for some weird reason it does matter to me … probably due to nostalgia. I’ve been here since the AOL Airwarrior days. My squad has been here since at least 1987.
I would highly recommend people come up with a reasonable solution to the NMY problem. NMY on as it was and NMY off as it is now just is not working. Once you have your solution most people can agree with, someone should take it to HiTech, probably in an email.
If Nmy comes back the way it was and I’ll probably quit. I cannot speak for any one else. If nmy stays the way it is it could drive enough people away the game loses its fun for us and profit (If any) for Hitech. Basically an MMO collapse. There may come a time Hitech has to pull the plug and go work some crap job at a nasty company like EA or Ubisoft. Come on! really?!? We Can’t lose Hitech to EA!
Any way Maybe it’s just me Damned if I Do Damned if I don’t and No fun neither and that just isn’t who I am, I miss the fun.
I’m bingo out and RTB! Damn you Dolby I didn't mean to write a book!
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If my only choice is to be out numbered 4:1 or higher by 5 eny planes I just log off now. With eny I at least stuck around to fight off what I could and do so in eny10+. They can roll an empty map.
If they have bigger numbers, then Perk planes cost is reduced. Fly 49 perk point 262 and smoke them all. Perk plane cost reduction is the answer to side imbalance. No need to handicap and piss off the other team because there are more of them supporting the game. :salute
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Proof positive people are broken. ENY at least enforced some type of equality.
Just drop the hammer and put people on a side when they log in... see how they like that. Some folks do not realize, not everyone is going to like being equal sides...
LOL Better yet.... if a side is twice the other sides... no one call log on to that side till numbers even. I bet ENY then looks better....
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Proof positive people are broken. ENY at least enforced some type of equality.
Just drop the hammer and put people on a side when they log in... see how they like that. Some folks do not realize, not everyone is going to like being equal sides...
LOL Better yet.... if a side is twice the other sides... no one call log on to that side till numbers even. I bet ENY then looks better....
Equality is not a goal, nor should it be. Sided fluctuate. When they do fly cheap perk planes if you want an advantage. Intervention by big brother doesn't make people happier. :salute
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Equality is not a goal, nor should it be. Sided fluctuate. When they do fly cheap perk planes if you want an advantage. Intervention by big brother doesn't make people happier. :salute
Not total equality..... but now it is broken.
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Not total equality..... but now it is broken.
I disagree anything is broken. Side Numbers do not equal imbalance in individual fights, or even the war, as pointed out many times by many players. Your refusal to acknowledge that or understand it is puzzling. :headscratch:
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Knits and rooks suck. Thats why nobody wants to switch to that side
Dang. Squeakers, what can you do? We do need them :/
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Fill the gaps with AI drones. Better, if you get killed, you are switched into the nearest drone.
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I disagree anything is broken. Side Numbers do not equal imbalance in individual fights, or even the war, as pointed out many times by many players. Your refusal to acknowledge that or understand it is puzzling. :headscratch:
Extreme rare individual fight...... you really can't expect that in the MA.
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The lack of team balancing doesn't?
Seems to be a catch 22 :rofl
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Bish always get double-teamed in Prime-Time USA.
Leave ENY how it is.
ROX
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Bish always get double-teamed in Prime-Time USA.
Leave ENY how it is.
ROX
Bish have been running double #s than both Rook/Knight combined most of these nights. It's only natural for both sides to gravitate to fight the higher # side.
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If they have bigger numbers, then Perk planes cost is reduced. Fly 49 perk point 262 and smoke them all. Perk plane cost reduction is the answer to side imbalance. No need to handicap and piss off the other team because there are more of them supporting the game. :salute
I could not agree more. Preach it. If anything, add an f16 to the game for week side only. Lol
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How does upping a cheap 262 help if the high side can still outnumber you with more 262s?
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Things that make me log off:
1) no (air) fights
2) can't fly my Ahog
Fun can be had whether you're in the horde or fighting it.
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"CaRNt fLy mE pLAnE WwwwWAAAAaaaaHHHhh!! Am UNsubBiN!!" was always invalid as a reason to remove ENY in the first place, pure selfish.
I'd rather see you pro-noENY proponents being honest and just admit outright that you simply want to fly in your large groups of late war monsters, seal clubbing the outnumbered enemies that dare to try and take off under your aluminium cloud of protection without ENY equalising your super effect aircraft at murdering. War isn't fair after all, am I right!
How dare ENY try to equalise and balance aircraft effectiveness between unequal numbered sides, how dare it stand in the way of your reputation, score, ego, base captures and free perks for rotating the map? I have a feeling there is more respect to be gained by not shrouding it in faux logic and subterfuge.
What's next in the agenda? Opponents, lets do away with them next, everyone is forced bishop. Then lets add unmanned static/parked aircraft to the airfields that count as kills.. Disable enemy AAA, Yeah! That would minimise having to fight for a base altogether. Town building are pre-down so troops can fly right in unopposed. How about every successful take off is awarded 5 victories and 5 more upon a successful landing, after all it's the taking part that counts right! Score, lets have it so everyone is Rank 1 and is awarded 10000 perks a day. That'll keep the game fun and people subscribed; zero effort and all the rewards...
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I should have never given up drinking. :o
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"CaRNt fLy mE pLAnE WwwwWAAAAaaaaHHHhh!! Am UNsubBiN!!" was always invalid as a reason to remove ENY in the first place, pure selfish.
I'd rather see you pro-noENY proponents being honest and just admit outright that you simply want to fly in your large groups of late war monsters, seal clubbing the outnumbered enemies that dare to try and take off under your aluminium cloud of protection without ENY equalising your super effect aircraft at murdering. War isn't fair after all, am I right!
How dare ENY try to equalise and balance aircraft effectiveness between unequal numbered sides, how dare it stand in the way of your reputation, score, ego, base captures and free perks for rotating the map? I have a feeling there is more respect to be gained by not shrouding it in faux logic and subterfuge.
What's next in the agenda? Opponents, lets do away with them next, everyone is forced bishop. Then lets add unmanned static/parked aircraft to the airfields that count as kills.. Disable enemy AAA, Yeah! That would minimise having to fight for a base altogether. Town building are pre-down so troops can fly right in unopposed. How about every successful take off is awarded 5 victories and 5 more upon a successful landing, after all it's the taking part that counts right! Score, lets have it so everyone is Rank 1 and is awarded 10000 perks a day. That'll keep the game fun and people subscribed; zero effort and all the rewards...
My 109f, Spit 9, and La5 are usually not affected by the eny. I like the best fights I can get so if that means allowing people to fly their favorite planes, let's keep it the way it is!
Oh and Dolby: let's, minimize, Town buildings, take-off
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How does upping a cheap 262 help if the high side can still outnumber you with more 262s?
262s are rare because of the perks cost. Yes if the High number team want to fly 356 point 262s they could...But they overwhelmingly don’t it seems. :salute
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"CaRNt fLy mE pLAnE WwwwWAAAAaaaaHHHhh!! Am UNsubBiN!!" was always invalid as a reason to remove ENY in the first place, pure selfish. Blah blah blah...
Irony = Whaaa I’m out numbered and wont to win so please add code that makes my opponent weaker because my ego needs it.
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Irony = Whaaa I’m out numbered and want to win so please add code that makes my opponent weaker because my ego needs it.
That is the most idiotic single stretch I have ever read. Ever.
Ever.
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Oh and Dolby: let's, minimize, Town buildings, take-off
Thank you. I don't have Grammarly :salute
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Things that make me log off:
1) no (air) fights
2) can't fly my Ahog
Fun can be had whether you're in the horde or fighting it.
You can always fly your hog. Only you can keep you from flying it. The game has never stopped you from flying it... only your have.
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Just log into the country with the lowest numbers and you can fly anything
I do that just to find more fights as the early 109's are always available
Ppl need to get over their loyality to a specific chess piece if they want to keep this game the same
Eagler
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That is the most idiotic single stretch I have ever read. Ever.
Ever.
You got booted for being a troll and dick. I see nothing has changed. Seek help, your fascination/obsession with me is uncomfortable.
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You got booted for being a troll and dick. I see nothing has changed. Seek help, your fascination/obsession with me is uncomfortable.
(https://novembrepleut.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/clutching_at_straws.jpg)
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You can always fly your hog. Only you can keep you from flying it. The game has never stopped you from flying it... only your have.
Ummm no he can't,
First off all the corsairs can get knocked out by NNY,ask Drano, I jumped into the MA from FSO one night recently (last few months) and NMY was so bad I Couldn't even fly the F4u1 not the A C or D (They where locked to) just a plane Dash one hog. The only blue plane you could fly I think where the wildcats (FM2 F4f). I think It was the same night I specifically streamed the NMY problem with a profanity laced rant.
Secondly if he has already changed countries he's stuck .... Unless you want to count the training arena, if that is where you want to go we can all always be able to fly a hog .... in il2:1946 Warthunder and pretty soon DCS.
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Knights actually won a map this week
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1 - if ENY comes back, ffs perk the yak3. that thing is easier to get kills in than any plane in the game and shrugs off 20mm fire at close range.
2 - I think Dolby is on to something with the "bishops-only / no combat" angle. Re-brand AH as an online coloring book. Endless fun turning base icons green with no stress.
:O
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Knights actually won a map this week
You have to post this glitch to the Bug Reports forum :old:
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Ummm no he can't,
First off all the corsairs can get knocked out by NNY,ask Drano, I jumped into the MA from FSO one night recently (last few months) and NMY was so bad I Couldn't even fly the F4u1 not the A C or D (They where locked to) just a plane Dash one hog. The only blue plane you could fly I think where the wildcats (FM2 F4f). I think It was the same night I specifically streamed the NMY problem with a profanity laced rant.
Secondly if he has already changed countries he's stuck .... Unless you want to count the training arena, if that is where you want to go we can all always be able to fly a hog .... in il2:1946 Warthunder and pretty soon DCS.
You can always fly the hog..... only YOU keep yourself from flying it.
The only way you may get limited is if you change to the low number side and their number increase substantially higher than the other teams during the next 6 hours.
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I hear complaints that the Rooks and Knights only attack the Bishops. Rarely is there a knight/Rook battle going on. I will be flying on the Rook side for a while I think.
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I hear complaints that the Rooks and Knights only attack the Bishops. Rarely is there a knight/Rook battle going on. I will be flying on the Rook side for a while I think.
Probably when bish have 75, rook 28, and knit 28.
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Bish have been running double #s than both Rook/Knight combined most of these nights. It's only natural for both sides to gravitate to fight the higher # side.
Not in USA Prime Time. Not even close. It a pure and simple double-team against the bish. Or maybe you haven't been a paying subscriber in the last 5 years.
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Not in USA Prime Time. Not even close. It a pure and simple double-team against the bish. Or maybe you haven't been a paying subscriber in the last 5 years.
Calling BS. Look at rook bases held, they are going backwards at the start of every map, it’s basically pick a side to defend lose the other half the map. Was on most of yesterday, only a couple people pork fields. Not near enough to slow down attacks, all bish engagements were at rook fields, with only brief attacks to bish that never amount to anything. Knits rolled left side of rook map.
Do you just look and see flashing as attacks or do you actually stop and look at the bases % held and what bases are being attacked? At some point rooks are forced to attack, by then there’s zero chance of anything competitive.
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Need smaller maps
Went knights last night as they had lowest numbers but no one was fighting them
Spent the night chasing fleeing 30k bombers and a scared high fighter..most boring time yet in AH for me
I hope something changes
Eagler
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Not in USA Prime Time. Not even close. It a pure and simple double-team against the bish. Or maybe you haven't been a paying subscriber in the last 5 years.
Last 3 nights 9-10 ET bish have had significantly more players on that the other sides. Actually makes for some good fights at least
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If you were a rook last night maybe but stuck in knights sucked about the worse AH has ever for me.
Eagler
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My experience is that the game is often 2v1, regardless of the numbers and which teams are the 2 and which is the 1.
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Whatever it is, it would be about time HT do something, anything. I'm seriously thinking of pulling the plug on this game. During the day, we are always, always, massively outnumbered. It is annoyingly boring the way it is. Even for the winners, how can one have fun or feel proud to win by hoarding? It's not even exciting, its always a done deal as long as you have the number like 2vs1 and sometimes its 3, 4, even 5vs1. Seriously!
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I have not even played in almost 2 weeks. Not even MNM.
The people are broken. Been playing RDR2 and GTA V. People are broken over there too. Rockstar can't even control all the folks cheating there. They are even directly affecting income by doing money drops. They talk about it on public chat without fear of reprisal. LOL
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Not in USA Prime Time. Not even close. It a pure and simple double-team against the bish. Or maybe you haven't been a paying subscriber in the last 5 years.
Been active since stuck at home from the Pandemic.
Bish have been crying this cry since I re joined. You can see at any point the #s are a steady 40% minimum population in bish on a consistent basis and yet they whine about "double teaming".
I have been back and can say that the difference between all 3 countries and that Knight/Rook are more opportunists than they are organizers. Bish need hordes to move maps which mean their resources are bottlenecked to one portion of the map.
Just the other day, Bish outnumbered Nit by 3:1 and Nits were rolling bish fields which left us wondering where you all were. in sum, bish didnt want to allocate resources to at least defend so it is not Rook or Nit "ganging". We have to deal with it too. People are going to do what they want, when they want. Like it or not, if you play this game for real estate, it is going to have to be with numbers and like minded players.
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Been active since stuck at home from the Pandemic.
Bish have been crying this cry since I re joined. You can see at any point the #s are a steady 40% minimum population in bish on a consistent basis and yet they whine about "double teaming".
I have been back and can say that the difference between all 3 countries and that Knight/Rook are more opportunists than they are organizers. Bish need hordes to move maps which mean their resources are bottlenecked to one portion of the map.
Just the other day, Bish outnumbered Nit by 3:1 and Nits were rolling bish fields which left us wondering where you all were. in sum, bish didnt want to allocate resources to at least defend so it is not Rook or Nit "ganging". We have to deal with it too. People are going to do what they want, when they want. Like it or not, if you play this game for real estate, it is going to have to be with numbers and like minded players.
Most people who move mud don't defend much. There are exceptions, but generally speaking that's the tendency IMO. At least until they're making a final push to win a map.
What it's always seemed to me like is the bish morning crew rolls the other sides, takes a bunch of bases, then enough people wake up and get on on the other two sides that they start pushing back. It doesn't make sense to me that the other two sides would attack each other before rolling back the side that has taken a bunch of their territory. Don't want to be attacked? Stop taking our stuff. :)
Simply put, all 3 sides are potentially being double teamed at all times. I've seen all 3 sides get double teamed in the last couple weeks at different times. For whatever reason, Bish seem more vocal about it likely because they're the ones that tend to push the other two sides back when numbers are low, then get pushed back when numbers on the other sides come up.
People who log in at prime time don't see the previous 8 hours of Bish horde-rolling, all they see is the other two sides retaliating.
Wiley.
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Most people who move mud don't defend much. There are exceptions, but generally speaking that's the tendency IMO. At least until they're making a final push to win a map.
What it's always seemed to me like is the bish morning crew rolls the other sides, takes a bunch of bases, then enough people wake up and get on on the other two sides that they start pushing back. It doesn't make sense to me that the other two sides would attack each other before rolling back the side that has taken a bunch of their territory. Don't want to be attacked? Stop taking our stuff. :)
Simply put, all 3 sides are potentially being double teamed at all times. I've seen all 3 sides get double teamed in the last couple weeks at different times. For whatever reason, Bish seem more vocal about it likely because they're the ones that tend to push the other two sides back when numbers are low, then get pushed back when numbers on the other sides come up.
People who log in at prime time don't see the previous 8 hours of Bish horde-rolling, all they see is the other two sides retaliating.
Wiley.
THIS!!!! Double Teaming is an Equal Opportunity thing! Personally, I LOVE DEFENDING more than Attacking! So I am never, really upset about "The War Status". Dont get me wrong...Missions (flackhapy/Reaper) when I first started, taught/formed my style of play but defense is my "forte". In my Spit 16..."Give me ords, and I will deliver death". I take pride in my Tarding skills! Those Bish that"seem more vocal about it" were also the ones, sitting in the Tower waiting on "The Win" and contributing to our ENY penalties, during the "Push Backs". I dont miss THAT, one bit!
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Well here's a perfect example of how ridiculous the disabilling of side balancing is. This AM 29 Bishy.. 11 rooks...12 Nitzies... and Porky Pig can fly a 262 or a C-Hog. Good for him, hope he enjoyed the couple of kills I gave him (not to mention I bailed out of the other buffs LOL)
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Well here's a perfect example of how ridiculous the disabilling of side balancing is. This AM 29 Bishy.. 11 rooks...12 Nitzies... and Porky Pig can fly a 262 or a C-Hog. Good for him, hope he enjoyed the couple of kills I gave him (not to mention I bailed out of the other buffs LOL)
I've always felt that ENY was a good thing that just needed tweaking!
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If there’s going to be no end then perked rides need to at least be disabled.
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Well here's a perfect example of how ridiculous the disabilling of side balancing is. This AM 29 Bishy.. 11 rooks...12 Nitzies... and Porky Pig can fly a 262 or a C-Hog. Good for him, hope he enjoyed the couple of kills I gave him (not to mention I bailed out of the other buffs LOL)
weren’t perk planes except feom ENY cap? I thought they were available at higher prices.
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weren’t perk planes except feom ENY cap? I thought they were available at higher prices.
Yes perk cost would rise with eny. Now if everyone gets on one side they can roll the terrains for perks. ROTFLMAO.
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Perking low eny planes is the solution. I think its better if players can play with their rides, as long as they pay substantial perks when the #s are lopsided. By having eny take these planes out, more people will log off. Atleast with perks they would have to take a risk. It might stop them from logging out. IMO balancing the #s by forcing logout are not good for the game. We need as many #s as possible in the MA as can be.
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weren’t perk planes except feom ENY cap? I thought they were available at higher prices.
While perk prices were rising when your side had a numerical advantage, perk planes were subject to the same ENY limits as any other plane. Once ENY limit went 5+, you couldn't launch perk planes anymore.
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Thanks Lusche
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My 109f, Spit 9, and La5 are usually not affected by the eny. I like the best fights I can get so if that means allowing people to fly their favorite planes, let's keep it the way it is!
Oh and Dolby: let's, minimize, Town buildings, take-off
He speaks the King's, it's minimise.
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How about this.
Turn NMY on only when one side outnumbers or equals both sides combined or one sides has double the numbers of one of the other countries provided we have at least 50-75 people or more in the arena. (This alone should do away with the Off peak NMY BS that has me at the point of giving up on AH for good.)
When NMY is on you should get a free change to another country and 5 perks for changing to the country with the mid range numbers and a free country change and 10 perks to change to the country with the least numbers.
Country changes outside the free NMY change should be reduced from 6 to 1 or 2 hours at most. This will reduce the likelihood you will get screwed if NMY follows you. Or you get stuck after NMY turns off and you can't change back to your regular country.
The country with the least numbers when NMY is on should get perked rides at a much lower price to even free depending on how badly they are outnumbered.
When you all come up with ideas remember HiTech is the one that has to code them into the game and thanks to the pandemic he's not going to have a lot of help. Some Ideas are going to be harder to implement than others.
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He speaks the King's, it's minimise.
HE!!! :rofl
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Bish have been running double #s than both Rook/Knight combined most of these nights. It's only natural for both sides to gravitate to fight the higher # side.
So double teaming is OK?
Lame excuse for it.
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So double teaming is OK?
Lame excuse for it.
Think you missed his observation? It is the "NON numerically advantaged teams" fighting the "Numerically advantaged" team. IMHO the higher player team should LOVE this! More fights! The "Win De War" mentality isnt as rampant these days, in my experience. Its about finding bad guys and killing them. I tend to see 2 sides with close numbers, clubbing the lower numbered team, more actual these days. Its the same for me, either way! Either scenario means fights are to be found! With the "New" ENY setting...it doesnt matter that 12 guys are sitting in the tower causing my teams ENY to be a dis advantage. This was the best change I have experienced! Without a way to "Kick/Purge" idol players, this is acceptable to me!
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Looks like most of the folks should just get on one team and run the maps. That seems to be what they really want. Fight those pesky fields.
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ENY is going to drive more players away from the game.
It's the same typical crap day in day out. NIT's & Rook typically double team Bish. Bish forced to defend 2 fronts with paper tanks & planes on either front. Then one country runs up base takes of Bish bases...then y'all log off and leave just enough guys on to keep them screwed.
Guys running around in 262's & ME163's, Tiger2's, etc and we got crap.
So done with this crap.
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Well when I got on Bish had 39.1 % of rook fields..and not a single fight Bish to knit .. what sense does that make... different times equals different numbers... crap!!!...
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Your wish is GRANTED.
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ENY should just trigger a perk cost. The more your side outnumbers the other(s) the more planes are perked. Wanna fly that P-51 while you club those seals in a 5 on 1? Sure! That’ll be 5 perks. 10 on 1? That’ll be 10 perks.
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ENY should just trigger a perk cost.
This, on all the levels.
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Yes, bring back ENY. If not HTC don't waste time updating all the planes, with no eny you only need 5 fighters.
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Yes, bring back ENY. If not HTC don't waste time updating all the planes, with no eny you only need 5 fighters.
ENY is back with this update
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The new plan is working well 43 Rooks, 27 Knights.......... 19 Bish
Bet you can't guess who Rook/Knight are attacking?
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The new plan is working well 43 Rooks, 27 Knights.......... 19 Bish
Bet you can't guess who Rook/Knight are attacking?
In that case rook and knit should be attacking bish since they outnumber both other sides together.
The number disparity is the same reason, people are broken. They have to tick the box for it to work. Unfortunately many just like to fly in a crowd.
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Get rid of ENY, bring back ENY, get rid of ENY,.............
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The new plan is working well 43 Rooks, 27 Knights.......... 19 Bish
This morning it was 20 v 6 v 12. Guess who the 20 and 12 were attacking. At least they didn't have B-29s. :D
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This morning it was 20 v 6 v 12. Guess who the 20 and 12 were attacking. At least they didn't have B-29s. :D
People on at that time play airport.
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This morning it was 20 v 6 v 12. Guess who the 20 and 12 were attacking. At least they didn't have B-29s. :D
But it's OK be cause ENY activated and created balance...or something. What does it do again?
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But it's OK be cause ENY activated and created balance...or something. What does it do again?
It keeps the higher number team from having later war rides. Pretty simple. Their choice.
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It keeps the higher number team from having later war rides. Pretty simple. Their choice.
Towards what objective?
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Towards what objective?
Helps even sides that will not numerically even.
Do I get a cookie?
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Helps even sides that will not numerically even.
Do I get a cookie?
Will 5 La-5's kill a single Spit 16?
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Will 5 La-5's kill a single Spit 16?
Yup. Will 5 sets of b25s controlled by 5 average players level a town with the same ease as a single set of lancs?
Wiley.
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LOL seems someone doesn't like it and doesn't understand it is their choice.
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Helps even sides that will not numerically even.
Do I get a cookie?
“Helps even sides” is a subjective assessment that is really meaningless. How is a single individual player’s experience improved? How many player’s experience will it improve? By how much? How many will it degrade and by how much?
In my assessment ENY limits improve few players very little and degrades many players a great deal. As a scheme it has a large net degradation on aggregate player experience.
If the vague idea of “even” is some principle that is supposed to improve player experience, the ENY scheme based on gross team numbers is not effective in achieving a net improvement in player experience.
perhaps that could be achieved with a different scheme but not this specific one. :salute
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Hi. be honest -this game for many is a ego shooter. Team players have to struggle to get along. ENY is a attempt to balance sides but too many enemys are too many doesnt matter what they fly.
But the biggest problem is-we dont get enough new players.And how? They join and realize that they dont stand a chance wich takes away all the fun,so they leave.
New guys should fly with a different colour so they can be recognized by all players,helping them to learn.
BTW-there is no such thing like bish,knits or rooks. We are all Aces High and if you forget that the game is dead!
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Hi. be honest -this game for many is a ego shooter. Team players have to struggle to get along. ENY is a attempt to balance sides but too many enemys are too many doesnt matter what they fly.
But the biggest problem is-we dont get enough new players.And how? They join and realize that they dont stand a chance wich takes away all the fun,so they leave.
New guys should fly with a different colour so they can be recognized by all players,helping them to learn.
BTW-there is no such thing like bish,knits or rooks. We are all Aces High and if you forget that the game is dead!
This. :rock
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“Helps even sides” is a subjective assessment that is really meaningless. How is a single individual player’s experience improved? How many player’s experience will it improve? By how much? How many will it degrade and by how much?
In my assessment ENY limits improve few players very little and degrades many players a great deal. As a scheme it has a large net degradation on aggregate player experience.
If the vague idea of “even” is some principle that is supposed to improve player experience, the ENY scheme based on gross team numbers is not effective in achieving a net improvement in player experience.
perhaps that could be achieved with a different scheme but not this specific one. :salute
People are broken. From your post I get you are unhappy because you can't change sides to help improve the game for everyone. You instead just want to improve the game for you.
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People are broken. From your post I get you are unhappy because you can't change sides to help improve the game for everyone. You instead just want to improve the game for you.
You would be completely wrong in your assessment of my feelings; as you are about what makes other people happy, and about how the game should change to fix their (imagined) unhappiness. Sorry Shuffler , I like you but you are off by a mile on this :salute
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You would be completely wrong in your assessment of my feelings; as you are about what makes other people happy, and about how the game should change to fix their (imagined) unhappiness. Sorry Shuffler , I like you but you are off by a mile on this :salute
Ok... but that is how your post look to me. I otherwise did not think you were that way.
I have not been on since the new implementation. Might fly tonight.
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How is a single individual player’s experience improved?
Back in the Airwarrior days their rule was..... do what's best for the game, the players are never happy, all at the same time.
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Since Hitech started the AutoChangeCountry option, sides have been extremely balanced numbers wise.
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Since Hitech started the AutoChangeCountry option, sides have been extremely balanced numbers wise.
Sides are usually balanced. You can tell if its working buy the number of Green names in the roster. if its 3 or 4 probably not doing much. hopefully the numbers using the feature will rise.
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About an hour ago in the MA, sides numbers were nearly exact. Now i just checked and sides are 36 37 37 so Hitechs system must be working. I looked at the roster and Im guessing about 15% of players are green which means they chose the AutoCountry option.
Of course this is with the temporary X 10 perk bonus.
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You don't need everyone to turn on auto switch. If 10% of players have it on thats probably enough to keep most imbalances within reasom
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Well as with most things tried...it only been a thing, 5 days! We will see! The numbers are always Equal- until they aren't?
I enjoyed not having ENY, for those unequal times. I dont mind fighting Tempests and -4Hogs and 262's...if I can have My 16 or 51. I dont like leaving my team to fly something off a CV, better than an F4f or SBD, jmho but we shall see what happens, and go from there :salute
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Back in the Airwarrior days their rule was..... do what's best for the game, the players are never happy, all at the same time.
Heh. I remember Moggy saying that you could get them all la!d, and people would still gripe.
- oldman
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Sides are usually balanced. You can tell if its working buy the number of Green names in the roster. if its 3 or 4 probably not doing much. hopefully the numbers using the feature will rise.
When I was on tonight, the time I counted it was 23 green names, sides were balanced, and the fights we were finding were good. Both sides were upping and fighting, not meeting resistance and moving somewhere else. I don't know why, but it was a good night.
Wiley.
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It was rather strange yesterday, 36 Bish online, 16 inflight. Maybe they were taking a hot cocoa break. :cheers:
hence the lousy eny. Tower campers should not count in eny or be kicked. Numbers don’t mean numbers active, eny is based on numbers only and is not close to fair.
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One must note that all the while you are checking all this.... you are not fighting.
Where is your suggestion of something that will work better?