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Title: Kalifornia
Post by: 1Cane on June 24, 2021, 07:11:42 AM
Some crazy crap here California.
I had to get a real ID so I could fly commercially and and buy ammunition here in California. The drivers license that I have had since 1963 was no longer valid since they had given drivers licenses to illegals. If I wished to cross the international border I would need a real ID. The trip to DMV wasn't so bad I was there for about 3 hours. They had to see my birth certificate and I must admit I put on a little weight since 1947. The most disturbing thing was I had been using Jess as my given name. I haven't called myself Jessie since kindergarten this had to be changed. I have purchased a firearm and gotten a CCW in the last 10 years under my former alias. Yesterday I tried to purchase ammunition and was refused by there CFARS system. No problem I'll just log on and work on this problem unfortunately they won't allow me to log on using my current email address. I know that the government has done all this to protect me from illegals and criminals so they can't buy ammunition. This will certainly stop all robbers and  they will no longer rob and thieves will be stopped in their tracks. Unfortunately for me I am being denied the right to defend myself from possible criminals.

I am a citizen who  served in the army  66-69,Have voted in every national election since 1976. The only organization that I have joined since leaving the Army was the Carpenters Union. Never been arrested and yet if I cross the border to the east and buy ammo I become a felon. So who gains here as a citizen I am looking at a bad choice and the law breakers need not to worry about an armed citizen. :bhead
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Chalenge on June 24, 2021, 08:35:16 AM
When law breakers become law makers the laws protect no one.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Eagler on June 24, 2021, 09:22:07 AM
I suggest moving to Texas or Florida

California is no longer  America in many many ways

Eagler
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2021, 12:55:50 PM
so if I understand correctly, you had been using a different name or spelling than what it says on your birth certificate. that's the problem.

a realid is not needed yet, it has been posponed to 2023.

I got my driver's license in 1982. other than updating my picture every few years or adding my ssn, I haven't been to the dmv in years.  for sure make an appointment next time, it's faster.

like all Jamaican/Canadians, I have two last names but I only go by one.  took care of that in the 80s, so I haven't had any problems. also bought ammo a few months ago with no problems.


semp


semp



Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: 1Cane on June 24, 2021, 03:56:08 PM
so if I understand correctly, you had been using a different name or spelling than what it says on your birth certificate. that's the problem.

a realid is not needed yet, it has been posponed to 2023.

I got my driver's license in 1982. other than updating my picture every few years or adding my ssn, I haven't been to the dmv in years.  for sure make an appointment next time, it's faster.

like all Jamaican/Canadians, I have two last names but I only go by one.  took care of that in the 80s, so I haven't had any problems. also bought ammo a few months ago with no problems.


semp


semp

I have to ask are you a resident of Kalifornia? I just reread the requirements for passing ammo background check and CA. real id is required, passports are accepted surprizeingly birth certicates are accepted with old drivers lic. I have a correct Id and failed the ammo background check.If you are buying ammo in SoCal with old drivers lic please tell me where.My Real id shows the same spelling as my birth certificate


Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Mano on June 24, 2021, 04:11:40 PM
I live in CA.........it is getting crazier everyday. I hope the recall election removes the current guy in Sacramento. So many small business owners lost everything
and there are vacant commercial properties everywhere. You have to ask yourself: how are they going to pay all of their employees, and those pensions with such
a decline in revenue?

 :salute
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2021, 04:27:21 PM
I live in california,  san Bernardino County.  and you answered the question about me not using a realid.

hey man, I understand mistakes happens. I almost got detained when I joined the marines as somebody got confused about my two last names.

you'll get a letter explaining why. use that to fix whatever then you won't have a problem.

btw realid is a federal thing. I understand that, when i lived in Charlotte, NC, my driver's license was easier to counterfeit than my high-school id in California.  so blame the feds not some other group.

semp

Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
I live in CA.........it is getting crazier everyday. I hope the recall election removes the current guy in Sacramento. So many small business owners lost everything
and there are vacant commercial properties everywhere. You have to ask yourself: how are they going to pay all of their employees, and those pensions with such
a decline in revenue?

 :salute

California has 75 billion surplus in revenue. not sure where you live but around here nothing is empty.  plenty of jobs available but people are getting picky, they know their worth.


semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Mano on June 24, 2021, 05:06:41 PM
The state has about $80 billion of General Fund-supported bonds . Maybe it is time to pay those bonds off and not spend anymore. Gas tax is about 63 cents per gallon. The
highest in the nation. Pot holes and pavement in disrepair everywhere. Take a drive through Oakland or San Francisco. Careful not to hit a pot hole.
If you like I can post pictures of all of the empty commercial properties.


 :salute
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
The state has about $80 billion of General Fund-supported bonds . Maybe it is time to pay those bonds off and not spend anymore. Gas tax is about 63 cents per gallon. The
highest in the nation. Pot holes and pavement in disrepair everywhere. Take a drive through Oakland or San Francisco. Careful not to hit a pot hole.
If you like I can post pictures of all of the empty commercial properties.


 :salute

don't doubt you, I don't live there.  but around here is different.  just pointing out not every one has a great life like I do. :)

semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Chris79 on June 24, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
I suggest moving to Texas or Florida

California is no longer  America in many many ways

Eagler


Florida is full
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: svaalbar on June 24, 2021, 07:40:20 PM
LA's hollywood movies really messed up America. I'm thinking of moving to Canada or so, but I think Americans are still banned from even visiting there.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2021, 08:16:40 PM
LA's hollywood movies really messed up America. I'm thinking of moving to Canada or so, but I think Americans are still banned from even visiting there.

funny lots of Hollywood movies are filmed in canada.

semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Eagler on June 25, 2021, 08:19:57 AM

Florida is full

Yes but Ron can boot an illegal or two to make room for a fellow AHer :)

Semp is losing some of his credibility with his defense of the west coast homeless and or illegal immigrant sewer hole IMO

The CA governor should be arrested or at least shown the door

Eagler
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Yes but Ron can boot an illegal or two to make room for a fellow AHer :)

Semp is losing some of his credibility with his defense of the west coast homeless and or illegal immigrant sewer hole IMO

The CA governor should be arrested or at least shown the door

Eagler

not defending anybody.  just pointing out that his problem has nothing to do with something else.

btw, have you been homeless? I have. ever taken a fellow ah'er in your home when he's homeless? I have, actually two different guys.

nice to know you are a great guy, actually so great that you hate others.


semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 25, 2021, 12:31:34 PM
not defending anybody.  just pointing out that his problem has nothing to do with something else.

btw, have you been homeless? I have. ever taken a fellow ah'er in your home when he's homeless? I have, actually two different guys.

nice to know you are a great guy, actually so great that you hate others.


semp

I  fail to see  how you get hate out of that statement. Of course, if you are implementing what you are implying he is doing, then  I can see it.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 25, 2021, 12:36:05 PM
There is just so much I could say, but I'll hold back.

As my father use to say:

Listen to me now but understand me later.

We are in the age of information. The next age will be the age of understanding.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2021, 12:55:09 PM
I  fail to see  how you get hate out of that statement. Of course, if you are implementing what you are implying he is doing, then  I can see it.  :headscratch:

I'm losing credibility because I defend the homeless.  that's what he said. what other reason could it be?

he hates homeless people ,I've been there. me I don't see homeless, I see people.  done are lazy and would rather be homeless than work. others are mentally ill, most just want to get a job, have a place to live, have a normal life.

homeless people have never taken anything from me, not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm not naive. it's some people with jobs that would take everything from me that scares me.

semp

Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 25, 2021, 01:05:20 PM
I'm losing credibility because I defend the homeless.  that's what he said. what other reason could it be?

he hates homeless people ,I've been there. me I don't see homeless, I see people.  done are lazy and would rather be homeless than work. others are mentally ill, most just want to get a job, have a place to live, have a normal life.

homeless people have never taken anything from me, not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm not naive. it's some people with jobs that would take everything from me that scares me.

semp

It's a product of the drug war on Americans while also the ideology of failure that is being pushed by losers that so many people follow. Then factor in the insane high costs by raising taxes atstronaumically and you have a recipe for people who just want to give up.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Eagler on June 25, 2021, 01:08:24 PM
Hate is a strong word that I do not use but thanks for putting it in my mouth

The state as a whole is in the sewer and I do not believe that their policies or agenda should spread

I wouldn't suggest any tax paying citizen to move or stay there

Good on you for helping the homeless by letting them move in <S>

I assist financially to many causes

Eagler
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2021, 01:28:47 PM
Hate is a strong word that I do not use but thanks for putting it in my mouth

The state as a whole is in the sewer and I do not believe that their policies or agenda should spread

I wouldn't suggest any tax paying citizen to move or stay there

Good on you for helping the homeless by letting them move in <S>

I assist financially to many causes

Eagler

the state is in the sewer. that's disconcerting. but that's your opinion.

 :salute

semp


Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: TyFoo on June 25, 2021, 02:41:15 PM
While hate may be a strong word, and I don't always agree, I dont see Semp go around spewing Vitriol about others situations, or make demeaning statements about States others live in. His attitude has always been patriotic towards the country as a whole - you know the USA.


"California is no longer  America in many many ways"
 

"defense of the west coast homeless and or illegal immigrant sewer hole IMO"

Eagler


Where can we find the info where California is no longer America? I am encouraged to learn that homelessness is only a "west coast" thing. Now when I visit other States located within OUR country (not located on the West Coast) - and I cast derogatory, and demeaning comments towards others living in tents, and broken down RV's - I will know that these people are not homeless and are more fortunate than those on the West Coast and dont deserve to be looked down upon. Whew. . . lesson learned. ( .EndSarcasm)

Perhaps it is wrong to think most of us were taught common decency. To never stand on a pedestal and put down others for being less fortunate, homeless, addicted to whatever, suffer from mental illness or crow about our good fortunes. The only thing missing here is modesty.

 
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: 1Cane on June 25, 2021, 02:57:33 PM
Big surprise I have heard from my congressman two Times Now. He called last night around 4 PM and my wife answered the phone and hung up. Today about 11:30 he called again and we talked for about 20 minutes. My last purchase for a handgun here in California was on July 31st 2014 well within the limits set by the DOJ to purchase ammo. I have sent in a DOJ form showing the correct spelling of my name and we don't expect any results for approximately 45- 60 days.
The fact still remains with the current California real ID I should have been able to have bought ammunition. This enforces my belief we should have more gun control to protect our citizens from law abiding citizens it seems to be working great. :old:
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 25, 2021, 03:12:30 PM
Big surprise I have heard from my congressman two Times Now. He called last night around 4 PM and my wife answered the phone and hung up. Today about 11:30 he called again and we talked for about 20 minutes. My last purchase for a handgun here in California was on July 31st 2014 well within the limits set by the DOJ to purchase ammo. I have sent in a DOJ form showing the correct spelling of my name and we don't expect any results for approximately 45- 60 days.
The fact still remains with the current California real ID I should have been able to have bought ammunition. This enforces my belief we should have more gun control to protect our citizens from law abiding citizens it seems to be working great. :old:

I'm sure if you looked around you could find a loaded gun on the ground somewhere. Just dont "Accidently" pull the trigger and kill a pretty white woman since you are probably white and an actual citizen so they'll actually charge you.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
The CA gun roster hasn’t been mentioned yet, and is another bunch of garbage. If you don’t know anything about it, it’s worth looking up.

Now that CA is “opened” up again, do you think those outlawed (from being purchased) because they aren’t on the roster are more or less dangerous than 1/2 ton Chevy Suburban (or insert any large strong heavy steel truck). Driving a Suburban through Huntington or Santa Monica beach could be quite devastating if one wanted it to be.

Are they going to have a vehicle roster in CA?  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2021, 03:48:43 PM
This demonstrates how straight forward and easy to understand it is!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8nfCyhOX42g&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2021, 04:05:12 PM
what is a California gun roster?. never heard of it.

fun fact: why California generally prohibits open carry?

hint: reagan and nra

semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Busher on June 25, 2021, 04:37:00 PM
LA's hollywood movies really messed up America. I'm thinking of moving to Canada or so, but I think Americans are still banned from even visiting there.

It works both ways... non-essential travel is currently suspended - USA to Canada and Canada to the USA.

But trust me, if liberal ideas and trends are driving you out of the USA, most Canadians think Bernie Sanders is too conservative.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 25, 2021, 04:42:58 PM
what is a California gun roster?. never heard of it.

fun fact: why California generally prohibits open carry?

hint: reagan and nra

semp

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Fear the NRA!
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 25, 2021, 06:13:21 PM
what is a California gun roster?. never heard of it.

fun fact: why California generally prohibits open carry?

hint: reagan and nra

semp

The reason I said to look it up is because in general a lot of links I find to inform you of what the CA gun roster is get into things forbidden in bbs rules.

But here’s one:

https://www.guntherguns.com/product-category/ca-approved
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2021, 06:44:18 PM
The reason I said to look it up is because in general a lot of links I find to inform you of what the CA gun roster is get into things forbidden in bbs rules.

But here’s one:

https://www.guntherguns.com/product-category/ca-approved

cool thanks, I did try to look but couldn't find anything on California . gov. I kind of understand now.

semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2021, 01:57:10 AM
cool thanks, I did try to look but couldn't find anything on California . gov. I kind of understand now.

semp

As I understand it from friends over there, it’s like this: someone in the CA gov (not sure which department) decides what guns meet the CA laws and requirements and then when the company pays fees for testing and submits the tests they apply for approval. After approval that gun in particular is on the roster and legal to be purchased in CA or have it shipped into a dealer and picked up. That’s a nutshell, sure there’s more to it.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Eagler on June 26, 2021, 07:01:19 AM
The OP was complaining about the CA gun laws..I just pointed out that there are many reasons to live anywhere else

But I do not expect those that still live and enjoy what it has become to agree

Eagler
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: svaalbar on June 26, 2021, 07:37:13 AM
Can we agree that objectively the best place to live is in Aces High cartoon world? :)
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Maverick on June 26, 2021, 09:39:33 AM
As I understand it from friends over there, it’s like this: someone in the CA gov (not sure which department) decides what guns meet the CA laws and requirements and then when the company pays fees for testing and submits the tests they apply for approval. After approval that gun in particular is on the roster and legal to be purchased in CA or have it shipped into a dealer and picked up. That’s a nutshell, sure there’s more to it.


That's a part of it but there is a wrinkle in it as well. I was told that they wrote the law so that for every gun that gets new approval 2 have to be removed from the listing of approved weapons. As a result there are fewer "approved" guns available. Stupidity in govt and a definite infringement.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 26, 2021, 11:10:35 AM
The OP was complaining about the CA gun laws..I just pointed out that there are many reasons to live anywhere else

But I do not expect those that still live and enjoy what it has become to agree

Eagler

what has it become? lived here for many years and other than more people and more cars, I don't see the difference.

well except smog,I see less than 40 years ago.

semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: SIM on June 26, 2021, 01:09:41 PM
A habitually lying drunk probably would not notice much of a difference in anything, other than the emptiness of his bottle.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: guncrasher on June 26, 2021, 01:59:06 PM
A habitually lying drunk probably would not notice much of a difference in anything, other than the emptiness of his bottle.

that says more about you than about me.


semp
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: 1Cane on June 26, 2021, 04:32:25 PM
In 1975 I was working on the Anaheim stadium bridge that crosses the Santa Ana river. I never saw any homeless people near the job site. In 2012 while taking the first exit past Anaheim stadium bridge which I believe is Chapman Ave the river bank was covered with blue tents. It became so bad the people we're unable to safely travel on the bike path. Ultimately the city Anaheim forcibly removed the occupants. Countless syringes and drug paraphernalia was removed but my favorite was there was approximately 2 tons of human feces.

On 9-11 I was working on a gymnasium off of Central downtown LA there might have been 2 or 3 homeless people to be seen. Now  you have to walk in the street   because sidewalks are covered with trash and homeless
On my last vacation while travelling the San Joaquin valley I saw countless people living under or near freeway bridges!
So yes the situation has gotten worse. I have never been homeless but I have slept in a barn till I got my first paycheck! I think the horses were glad to see me go :neener:
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2021, 04:50:18 PM

That's a part of it but there is a wrinkle in it as well. I was told that they wrote the law so that for every gun that gets new approval 2 have to be removed from the listing of approved weapons. As a result there are fewer "approved" guns available. Stupidity in govt and a definite infringement.

From what I understand, another part of it is that to buy ammo you have to own the gun it goes with. If you haven’t registered it because you’ve owned it for decades then you have to register it to be able to buy ammo.

Even then you’re limited on how much ammo your allowed to buy.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: 1Cane on June 26, 2021, 05:41:15 PM
From what I understand, another part of it is that to buy ammo you have to own the gun it goes with. If you haven’t registered it because you’ve owned it for decades then you have to be able to buy ammo.

Even then you’re limited on how much ammo your allowed to buy.
No you can purchase any ammo they have if in stock
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Busher on June 26, 2021, 06:34:36 PM
In 1975 I was working on the Anaheim stadium bridge that crosses the Santa Ana river. I never saw any homeless people near the job site. In 2012 while taking the first exit past Anaheim stadium bridge which I believe is Chapman Ave the river bank was covered with blue tents. It became so bad the people we're unable to safely travel on the bike path. Ultimately the city Anaheim forcibly removed the occupants. Countless syringes and drug paraphernalia was removed but my favorite was there was approximately 2 tons of human feces.

On 9-11 I was working on a gymnasium off of Central downtown LA there might have been 2 or 3 homeless people to be seen. Now  you have to walk in the street   because sidewalks are covered with trash and homeless
On my last vacation while travelling the San Joaquin valley I saw countless people living under or near freeway bridges!
So yes the situation has gotten worse. I have never been homeless but I have slept in a barn till I got my first paycheck! I think the horses were glad to see me go :neener:

While the easiest path is to assume that the homeless are solely to blame for their life condition, I suggest that does little to solve the problem.

https://www.solutionsfdl.com/resources/what-causes-homelessness/

And God knows I would hate to question societal norms - might lead to getting called a leftist or an un-American (which is a given).
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: RotBaron on June 26, 2021, 07:15:18 PM
No you can purchase any ammo they have if in stock

Are you certain of that? My buddy in Sacramento said they wouldn’t allow him to buy 9mm because the system didn’t show that he owned one.

He wanted 9mm because he was planning on buying one and it’s hard to come by up there apparently.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: svaalbar on June 26, 2021, 10:23:49 PM
A habitually lying drunk probably would not notice much of a difference in anything, other than the emptiness of his bottle.

LOL WTF you doin ok bro
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: svaalbar on June 26, 2021, 10:24:45 PM
In 1975 I was working on the Anaheim stadium bridge that crosses the Santa Ana river. I never saw any homeless people near the job site. In 2012 while taking the first exit past Anaheim stadium bridge which I believe is Chapman Ave the river bank was covered with blue tents. It became so bad the people we're unable to safely travel on the bike path. Ultimately the city Anaheim forcibly removed the occupants. Countless syringes and drug paraphernalia was removed but my favorite was there was approximately 2 tons of human feces.

On 9-11 I was working on a gymnasium off of Central downtown LA there might have been 2 or 3 homeless people to be seen. Now  you have to walk in the street   because sidewalks are covered with trash and homeless
On my last vacation while travelling the San Joaquin valley I saw countless people living under or near freeway bridges!
So yes the situation has gotten worse. I have never been homeless but I have slept in a barn till I got my first paycheck! I think the horses were glad to see me go :neener:

Yep. Town I grew up in, only had a few crazies 2 decades ago.

Now, you gotta carry to feel safe.

That is all that needs to be said.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: JimmyD3 on June 27, 2021, 01:37:27 AM
A habitually lying drunk probably would not notice much of a difference in anything, other than the emptiness of his bottle.

That sir, was uncalled for. While I  disagree with semp on the  Calif. issue, there is no justification for your  comment. Shame on you.  :furious
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: SIM on June 27, 2021, 06:13:36 AM
The comedy in all of this is the ability to condemn and deny honesty.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: iaqmya on June 27, 2021, 08:07:24 AM
For the lack of ammunition, I would suggest in purchasing reloading equipment and components.
A press, dies for each caliber you need or want, powder, primers, brass and bullets.
Oh, and you might also considere lead, melting pot and bullet molds.

Powder kept dry is good for long, long times.  Same with primers and brass.  I started doing that back in the late 80's.  At that time, a typical 38 special cost about 10 cents a round if I recall.  the cost of the components for that round were under 5 cents.  To be more sure, I'd have to find the HD that has all those old spread sheets on it.

Just a thought  :old:
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Maverick on June 27, 2021, 10:08:00 AM
Problem with starting reloading now is that the ammunition manufacturers are using all the components they can make in order to make ammunition. IF you had the equipment already and a supply of components, primers, powder cases and bullets then yes you are not all that hindered by the shortages...... Until you have to restock, then the component shortages make the ammo shortage look like a minor inconvenience. Components are much more scarce than the actual ammo.

Right now ammo seems to be catching up. I am seeing a LOT of ads from the suppliers I have used indicating that there are cases of 9mm available. Almost all of it is russian and south american. The SA ammo has a decent rep, far better than tula. There are also ads for 5.56 including Winchester US ammo showing up now.
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: Oldman731 on June 27, 2021, 09:03:42 PM
The comedy in all of this is the ability to condemn and deny honesty.


There's no comedy here.  You're deliberately being nasty.  Become a man of the cloth if you want to impose your ethics on others.  Otherwise, please just can it.

- oldman
Title: Re: Kalifornia
Post by: SIM on June 27, 2021, 09:16:21 PM
Being nasty? How? You and others have replied to my posts a couple of times recently. Each time you do EXACTLY what I have done. So, how are you doing anything right? You're not, you are as much a part of the problem as I may be. Don't like my comments? Then keep yours to yourself and there is no problem to discuss. Otherwise you're as guilty as I may ever be.

Take your indignation and/or self-righteousness and shove it.

A man of the cloth imposing ethics on others? Damn oldman, you must be getting feeble, thats EXACTLY what you are trying to do here.