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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fenrik on April 13, 2000, 02:43:00 AM
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Ok, I started playing a week ago, been flying a spit9 about 70% of the time. I love the manuverability of this plane but its too damn slow. So, sometimes I fly a 51, but it turns for crap (w/ me flying atleast) and I seem to stall out and crash alot.
I've tried a few other planes but didnt really like them much (38, f4u), any suggestions? I'm looking for something with decent speed and manuverability.
Also, I've tried so far to fly Allied, but I might be willing to fly a jap or german plane if it fits me.
Fenrik
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as much as I hate saying this (I hate fighting them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
try the n1k2
its fast as all getup on deck and turns on a dime and climbs and dives too.
plus its got 4 cannons.
i hate it
(only cuz i fly the p38 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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Fenrik,
If you don't mind flying from 16k or lower, give the La-5FN a try. In fact, from 10k, down, it is really something.
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Fenrik,
you usually cannot have speed and maneuverability at low speeds.
Aircraft engineers are not wizards.
You have to choose, you have to decide which style of dogfight you prefer.
IMHO, if you find slow the MkIX you'll find slow the N1K2 as well. Normally, the Spitfire MkIX is considered the best arena dogfighter, a real 360° fighter, with speed, acceleration, excellent climb rate, good maneuverability (at high, medium and low speeds and altitudes), E retention, firepower (what am I saying? Fd-ski will pay me a beer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
I hate Spitfires, but I have to admit that the AH MkIX is, IMHO, slow.
Usually, you begin learning with the MkV and then you change to the MkIX. You have to use the latter as a real E fighter (and why not, even the MkV) to be really deadly.
IMHO the AH arena is still unbalanced to be able to learn with the right curve. You cant begin with a Spit MkV or Bf109F (the best to begin with, IMHO) without being gangbanged by P51-Ds and F4U1-Cs. AH's arena is tough, still an old hands arena.
When you'll become a men (jokin', (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) you'll try Daimler-Benz engined a/c or radials, as Vermillion says .... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). I say that if you learn to fight in a Bf109 you'll be the best Spitfire driver in the arena.
Regards and good hunting,
GATT
4°Stormo CT
"F.Baracca"
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8780/reference/italy/4st9grp.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 04-13-2000).]
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in short... try the japanese plane (only one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) )
and try the russian plane (only one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) )
cheers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"There are no born fighter pilots. Some are a little better than others, thats about it. But I would say time, training, training, training and more training are the key... to any success." -Francis Gabreski
Citabria
=357th Pony Express=
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Leonid,
I think that we are two of the happiest AH 1.02 players now that dogfights are getting lower and lower ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now the C.205V and the La5-FN can play their right role.
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That's really true, gatt. It's nice to find fights at the lower altitudes now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Fenrik, go for 190A8.
1 - It is very well armed (4x20 + 2x13).
2 - It turns equal or better than any other plane at high speeds (outturns easily any Spit at 350 mph) and keeps energy very well if you keep on corner s.
3 - Its roll rate is just the best.
5 - It is one of the fastest planes at low alt.
6 - It is really small, hard to hit.
7 - It is very durable, you can make home after lossing half a wing and even rudder.
8 - It is one of the bests zoom climbers in AH and have a lot of rudder authority for inversions.
9 - You'll need little trimming.
10 - You can effectively destroy buffs.
11 - The most important one. If you master this plane, any other plane in AH will seem as a silly children toy.
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Su-27
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Mandoble (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif),
if he has troubles driving a Pony, can you imagine with the 190A-8? I dont mean only flying, I mean surviving.
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I tend to group aircraft into three categories:
1. Speed fighters. You can go really fast, but at slow speeds the thing is a dump truck.
- P-51
- Corsair
- Fw-190
- Me109-G10
2. Maneuver fighters. Mix of speed and manueverability, but are not the best ones at either.
- Spitfire IX
- La-5FN
- P-38
- N1K1
- Macchi 205
3. Turn fighters. They turn great, but canot go very fast.
- Spitfire V
- Me109F
- Macchi 202
Notice that I don't list the mid range Me-109s and the Typhoon. I haven't figured out the Typhoon yet, but the mid range 109s aren't that much better than the F model. They have slightly more firepower, but maneuver worse. Speed is about the same.
You seem to be a manuever fighter guy, so I recommend something from list #2, specifically the Macchi 205.
Hanz.
[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 04-13-2000).]
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1 - Surviving in 190A8 is easy, just keep fast and roll.
2 - It seems he is really looking for a stall turner, you could be right Gatt. But the problem resides in the way we use the planes. Stall turners are just crap, no value in combat. My advice is to give a try to planes that turn much better but at faster speeds, and to use the vertical plane much much more than the horizontal one. Who wants to turn on a dime when the enemy is outrunning/outdiving/outaccelerating/outclimbing (zoomclimb) us? When that kind of combat is ON, surviving with 190A8 is surprisingly easy. The past tour I was flying a lot the P51D, and I had three big problems with it: poor level acceleration, average rollrate and weak weapons. None of these problems are present with the 190A8.
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You will like the La5.
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To be honest, it's really this simple....
If you prefer to turnfight, you will die....someone in a real plane (P-51D) will come from the south while your lookin north and bounce ya (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you like to get kills and live to tell of them, fly the 51....it will outturn any plane in the arena at 275mph and above....lo G turns are absolutely necessary....any hard turning and you will fall from the sky like a rock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Not many will agree with what I just said, but it is the truth (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude Out!
PS...Dont expect to be proficient in any plane you choose for at least 6 months (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Rude (edited 04-13-2000).]
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I hate Spitfires, but I have to admit that the AH MkIX is, IMHO, slow
Actually Gatt, the AH Mk IX (unless it changed this version) is about 10-15 mph too fast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My opinon is that if Fenrik finds the Spit IX slow, he will also find the N1K2 slow as well, except for very low altitudes.
Same with the Typhoon, its great down low, but get it above 10k and its a true dog.
I would probably suggest either the La-5fn or the P-38, with the preference towards the 38.
It climbs well, handles well, has average guns, large clip, great at jabo and is somewhere in the middle of the pack speedwise. A very versatile aircraft. Its biggest drawback is its large size (ie its a great target).
With the 38 you E fight the turners, and you turn fight the burners.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Look, Hans classification can be red also in this way:
Group 1 = 1944
Group 2 = 1943 (hmmmm, the N1K2)
Group 3 = 1941-42
Then you can split again those groups into turn-fighters and hit&run fighters. WOW! dogfight theory is fun! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, i think the best combination of speed, acceleration, climb and turn fer my money is the macchi 205. It's definately the plane I score the most kills with and more importantly, can extend away fast enough to survive the inevitable onslaught by my victims countrymen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Guns are a little weak though, ya gotta get in close (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
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I actually discovered last night that the P-51 turns very respectably. Sure, it's no Spit, but with the patched up flaps it's quite a versatile little beast. The key for me seemed to be full flaps... it turns reasonably well on full flaps without unexpected wing dipping like that damn Tiffy. Using flaps, Jase reports that he's been able to loop the 51 at speeds as slow as 120ias, and I've experienced similar handling characteristics. About the best I'm able to loop in a Spit IX is 150 to 160. Plus if the turnfight gets hairy and there's enough alt to spare, one reels flaps back in and dives for safety.
My best estimate would put its turn performance somewhere in with the 38 or 205. Both probably beat it at the margins. Where the 38 kicks its behind is acceleration, and that could be a deciding factor.
Not very scientific, but my observations. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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Well, thanks for the advice all. It looks like I'l be trying alot of new planes out. I suppose the only way to find the plane for me is to try em all.
Fenrik
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I find it best to remember that you need to fly your plane, whatever you pick, in the style it was intended. There are two ways to do this:
1)pick a plane and fly to it's strengths or
2)pick a style and then fly a plane that complements it.
Figure out what type of player you are and pick a plane to match. If you find you always deteriorate into a low turning fight, don't go pick an F4U, you just won't know when to run away and will stay around too long. If you like to zoom down on people, don't pick something with bad high speed handling, you'll bleed off your E for little return.
I think most of the planes are pretty good when flown with the correct style, it's just getting that style down-pat. If you look at most of the top scorers, they stick with the same planes, generally, and have a style set for that aircraft. Don't just switch planes looking for the magic cure, get in one and fly it and learn how to use it to it's best abilities.
When you know your plane and have a style to match it, you can really make any plane dance in the air. Then again, I'm just another target for some of the people who fly here.
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Soda
The Wrecking Crew
[This message has been edited by Soda (edited 04-13-2000).]
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Soda and the rest above bring up good points.
My post is to tell you to never get too discouraged. There are alot of good sticks in AH, and they will flaunt your weaknesses, so stay with it, don't give up, don't get too greedy, and try to hook up with a squadron, I think you'll find the most satisfaction out of the squadron enviroment. In squads, it's not the scores that count, its the mission, the commaraderie(sp), and above all, the fun you can have with others in your squad!
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
I/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 Communications Officer
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/ripsnort.jpg)
Turning Spitfires into Bud Lite cans since 1992
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-13-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-13-2000).]
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If you like the spit, try the 205. It has equal guns (more ammo though), turns well, is a little faster, and it doesn't have bulls-eyes painted on it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) You might also try the 109g10. It doesn't turn too well, but you can climb away from anything. Ammo count is very low though.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS