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Title: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 07, 2021, 06:31:25 PM
I've noticed hints of this for a while, but back from vacation and it's in full force...

Context: I usually fly bishop, sometimes fly rook, occasionally fly nit. CV groups are very important assets for base takes (and general fun) and the smarter players know that.

When I logged on for bish this afternoon I found that every bish CV had been turned to point to the middle of nowhere. Travel time from their ports (if that was where they'd been turned from, no way to know) maybe 3 hours. I flew bish for an hour and then went rook. SAME THING
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 07, 2021, 06:34:57 PM
Oops didn't mean to end the post. Anyway. I tried to move one of the rook CVs and someone had taken command of it then logged off so I couldn't, even when I attempted to take command. My current rank is 30 so it would have been some experienced player who did all this.
Really, really scummy.
If you're reading this and you're knight, pls apply peer pressure to whomever thought this was a really clever idea. Doubt anything else will be done.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: whiteman on October 07, 2021, 07:23:21 PM
Some of the best fights come from CV involved base attacks. Waste of assets.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 07, 2021, 09:07:03 PM
One thing I've learned over the years, is that no matter where you put the CV, someone will find it and sink it eventually. I think pushing the CVs into a hiding position only prevents possible good fights and potential base takes from happening. It's not as "strategic" as some believe. 
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 07, 2021, 09:17:35 PM
CVs are hugely strategic, but that wasn't my point. My point was that some nit (maybe more than one) went rook and bish in order to turn CV groups to as non-threatening-to-nit-bases places as possible. Those CVs were literally pointed as far away from action as they could have been. That can't have been coincidence. The only possible purpose for such a thing would be to make nit bases safer and enemy ports more vulnerable. If HT is interested check the logs before 4PM PST to see who moved them like that. I hope he does.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: 100Coogn on October 07, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
Oops didn't mean to end the post. Anyway. I tried to move one of the rook CVs and someone had taken command of it then logged off so I couldn't, even when I attempted to take command. My current rank is 30 so it would have been some experienced player who did all this.
Really, really scummy.
If you're reading this and you're knight, pls apply peer pressure to whomever thought this was a really clever idea. Doubt anything else will be done.

You mean, if a player logs off while in command of CV they remain in command?
That doesn't seem right to me... :headscratch:

Coogan
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Volron on October 07, 2021, 11:58:33 PM
You mean, if a player logs off while in command of CV they remain in command?
That doesn't seem right to me... :headscratch:

Coogan

That must be new, because I sure don't remember that being a thing.  If it currently is, hitech will hopefully fix it pronto.  Here is the other problem though, what is to stop them from taking command and just going afk in a tower or out in the middle of nowhere for 12hrs?  How is that to be addressed?

This is why I say, if you want to take command of a CV, you MUST be in it's tower at all times while in command, period.  Sure, it won't stop someone from taking command and sitting it it's tower for 12hrs, until it's reported that is.  hitech will take care of the rest. :devil
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 08, 2021, 12:03:41 AM
That must be new, because I sure don't remember that being a thing.  If it currently is, hitech will hopefully fix it pronto.  Here is the other problem though, what is to stop them from taking command and just going afk in a tower or out in the middle of nowhere for 12hrs?  How is that to be addressed?

This is why I say, if you want to take command of a CV, you MUST be in it's tower at all times while in command, period.  Sure, it won't stop someone from taking command and sitting it it's tower for 12hrs, until it's reported that is.  hitech will take care of the rest. :devil

If someone commands a CV then logs off, no one can move that CV unless they command it having higher (lower? you know what I mean) rank. This has been the case since I started playing. Apparently some nits are using that quirk to their advantage.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Eagler on October 08, 2021, 06:55:32 AM
Why would the control of a cv remain in the hands of a logged off player?

I know zero about boats and gv's but I  doubt that is the case

If it is it sounds like a bug

Eagler
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: atlau on October 08, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
Yeah doesn't sound right....

Speaking of which if you lose the port you should lose the CV after a predetermined amount of time... 24 hrs?. No hiding CV groups. Use it or lose it! Make the time long enough that the other side still has an incentive to try and sink it.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Ramesis on October 08, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
I've noticed hints of this for a while, but back from vacation and it's in full force...

Context: I usually fly bishop, sometimes fly rook, occasionally fly nit. CV groups are very important assets for base takes (and general fun) and the smarter players know that.

When I logged on for bish this afternoon I found that every bish CV had been turned to point to the middle of nowhere. Travel time from their ports (if that was where they'd been turned from, no way to know) maybe 3 hours. I flew bish for an hour and then went rook. SAME THING

This is ONE of the reasons I left this game... I guess I'll have to re-evaluate whether or not I will return... seems nothing has changed and I prefer WOWC (even given its acrade aspects) because of this and others
RAM  :salute
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 08, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
Yeah doesn't sound right....

Speaking of which if you lose the port you should lose the CV after a predetermined amount of time... 24 hrs?. No hiding CV groups. Use it or lose it! Make the time long enough that the other side still has an incentive to try and sink it.

That's really how it is. Haven't you ever tried to move a CV and couldn't get it to move? I have, dozens of times in my career. The only way to fix that was to ask someone of very high (low, whatever) rank to command and then either move or release it. Sometimes if I took command I could get it to move, sometimes not. But if I asked someone with a very low number rank to command and move it he would always succeed.

Your 24 hour idea is interesting. But then the fun of searching for hidden CVs (yes, to some of us that is fun!) would be lost....
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: fuzeman on October 08, 2021, 06:18:02 PM
<SNIP> Apparently some nits are using that quirk to their advantage.

I sense a little bias there?

And off topic but there is a 'Modify' button you can use to add to, edit, change a post.

Holding command of a cv after logging has to be a bug.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Shuffler on October 08, 2021, 07:28:19 PM
In the past, if you logged off, you were in command of nothing. I would like to see the information you uncovered that shows folks are setting course then changing sides.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: molybdenum on October 16, 2021, 02:16:37 PM
In the past, if you logged off, you were in command of nothing. I would like to see the information you uncovered that shows folks are setting course then changing sides.

I unfortunately did not take screenshots of the CV paths, but I will in the future should it happen again.
Which it did this morning to the bishops, btw, and I did take a picture of the screen with my phone and showed it to a squaddie, who was also convinced that it was a deliberate act to sabotage the team. I stayed bishop so do not know if the same thing happened to the rooks.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: 100Coogn on October 16, 2021, 05:26:15 PM
This is why I say, if you want to take command of a CV, you MUST be in it's tower at all times while in command, period.  Sure, it won't stop someone from taking command and sitting it it's tower for 12hrs, until it's reported that is.  hitech will take care of the rest. :devil

I agree.  If a player wants to command a CV, then they should have to be onboard it while in command.

Coogan
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Oldman731 on October 16, 2021, 05:45:02 PM
I agree.  If a player wants to command a CV, then they should have to be onboard it while in command.


I wouldn't go quite that far.  Sitting on a boat can be pretty tiresome.  But at least he should be online, and logged into the same country.

- oldman
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: RichardDarkwood on October 17, 2021, 05:49:21 AM
Sounds like the work of the Admiral

I have seen him on different countries taking control of the CV's then getting switched and bombing them.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 17, 2021, 06:00:10 AM
No Different than Cybro camping a hanger!  Dont log out....but have a high enough score to "Take & Keep" control of Task Group.   Just some more BS, this community could do without,IMHO :furious  No doubt Richard! I know who you refer.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Puma44 on October 17, 2021, 08:14:03 AM
Sounds like the work of the Admiral

I have seen him on different countries taking control of the CV's then getting switched and bombing them.

And the admiral would be?
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Max on October 17, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
And the admiral would be?

Starts with an A
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: RichardDarkwood on October 17, 2021, 04:47:11 PM
And the admiral would be?

AKcain
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Puma44 on October 17, 2021, 06:17:11 PM
AKcain

Thank you.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 23, 2021, 04:44:27 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: VERTEX on October 25, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
Ah yes, The Admiral. Have had run ins myself. Likes to undo CV moves by other players and "save boats" rather than use them. His strategy escapes me.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: hazmatt on October 25, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
Maybe we need RODBSTR back?
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Alpo on October 25, 2021, 02:36:29 PM
Yep... AKCaine had every Rook fleet heading to a corner last night as well on a map that was less than 90 minutes old.  :O
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: Max on October 25, 2021, 02:36:54 PM
RODFUSSTER did return for a bit last year...as STURM  :rofl
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: lunaticfringe on October 27, 2021, 12:50:48 AM
That must be new, because I sure don't remember that being a thing.  If it currently is, hitech will hopefully fix it pronto.  Here is the other problem though, what is to stop them from taking command and just going afk in a tower or out in the middle of nowhere for 12hrs?  How is that to be addressed?

This is why I say, if you want to take command of a CV, you MUST be in it's tower at all times while in command, period.  Sure, it won't stop someone from taking command and sitting it it's tower for 12hrs, until it's reported that is.  hitech will take care of the rest. :devil


side switch time is 6hrs not 12
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: lunaticfringe on October 27, 2021, 01:09:41 AM
you all is a bunch of knot heads-
1st: if you have command of a CV and you log off you lose control of CV.
2nd: if you have control of CV and change sides you lose control of CV.
3rd: if someone has control of CV and changes sides or logs off you can then put the CV group where you want it, unless someone in your country moves it 1st.
4th: someone only on your country can move CV if his/her rank is better than yours rank  say 300 lower better rank any thing below 300 even 299 can take control of the CV.
AKCaine's rank is usually below 10, more often between 1 and 5, so most people don't outrank him so he takes advantage of this. :P
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: lunaticfringe on October 27, 2021, 01:11:45 AM
I agree.  If a player wants to command a CV, then they should have to be onboard it while in command.

Coogan

they should be on board when turning it.
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: lunaticfringe on October 27, 2021, 01:14:59 AM
A cErTaIn person who types like this--> Cy Ro will take cv's and hide them or send them into a enemy base and sit in a plane on the bow of the cv to give it away
Title: Re: scummy behavior
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 28, 2021, 03:39:22 AM
A cErTaIn person who types like this--> Cy Ro will take cv's and hide them or send them into a enemy base and sit in a plane on the bow of the cv to give it away
:aok YUP! Seen it way to often!   How ya doing ,Brother?  Long time no kill :neener:  Hope all is well, with you and yours'!