I’d bet big $ not a single one of those firearms are legally owned by those perpetrators.
Easy bet. Very few gun crimes are committed with legally owned guns. But I will say, in 2020, when the mobs were vandalizing CNN's headquarters in Atlanta, the though occurred to me that, since I hate CNN, and since I'm roughly an hour and a half away, I could zip up there, unload a few 30 round mags into the building façade, and probably get away with it. Of course, the sun was down, so it goes without saying that I was drinking, but at 61 (then) even I had sense enough to know not to take action.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Shuffler on January 04, 2022, 12:27:44 PM
CNN is doing a good enough job of destroying itself. :rofl
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2022, 01:22:45 PM
decoy be careful with what you type. a premeditated felony isn't cool.
semp
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 04, 2022, 01:30:40 PM
Semp, that would be considered a "think crime", how decoy posted it...
But yeah that is coming... getting arrested for think crimes......just sit back and watch it's just around that upcoming curve...heh
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Eagler on January 04, 2022, 01:47:03 PM
If its more than some bs social media cancelling they better start building a lot more jails as half the population will need to be incarcerated .. me and many others here :)
Eagler
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: guncrasher on January 04, 2022, 02:56:25 PM
i just have a friendly advise. he just posted he hates cnn. what if he gets a little bit drunker and decides to act on it.
the irony is he also posted very few crimes are committed with legally owned guns.
take it for what it is.
semp
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: perdue3 on January 04, 2022, 03:32:35 PM
Not a great looking town.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Widewing on January 05, 2022, 02:45:21 PM
We occasionally drive the two hours down to Miami, and sometimes visit the Keys. Some areas of Miami are high risk to visit, or even transit through. Naturally, summer wear is in order. Most folks would be shocked at what one can conceal under summer weight clothes. My wife took these photos, because she could not believe how much hardware I can carry hidden. No, I generally don't carry that much weaponry. Usually, just a Springfield XD-M Elite compact or Glock G36, both in .45 ACP. For T-shirts, it's a Springfield 9mm Hellcat. Bicycling, it's a G42 in a bellyband holster. I never leave the house without a firearm... It's always better to have it and never need it, than not have it and desperately need it. Use the slider to see what was hidden... (https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271382818_10227728214576237_8044618557351305943_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=vKx_IOXxTNEAX-hDLVA&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_iE5WaIt-6C-hdu12GsJQPkJ8DDkmvPAAGclZVxM-Thg&oe=61DB24A9)
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Shuffler on January 05, 2022, 04:41:39 PM
I spotted everything but the wallet. :rofl
I never leave home naked either. Same reason.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: guncrasher on January 05, 2022, 06:01:32 PM
We occasionally drive the two hours down to Miami, and sometimes visit the Keys. Some areas of Miami are high risk to visit, or even transit through. Naturally, summer wear is in order. Most folks would be shocked at what one can conceal under summer weight clothes. My wife took these photos, because she could not believe how much hardware I can carry hidden. No, I generally don't carry that much weaponry. Usually, just a Springfield XD-M Elite compact or Glock G36, both in .45 ACP. For T-shirts, it's a Springfield 9mm Hellcat. Bicycling, it's a G42 in a bellyband holster. I never leave the house without a firearm... It's always better to have it and never need it, than not have it and desperately need it. Use the slider to see what was hidden... (https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271382818_10227728214576237_8044618557351305943_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=vKx_IOXxTNEAX-hDLVA&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_iE5WaIt-6C-hdu12GsJQPkJ8DDkmvPAAGclZVxM-Thg&oe=61DB24A9)
I live in a smallish town ....17k people SW of Worcester MA, an hour from Springfield, and an hour and a half from Boston. The 3 largest cities in MA. In my more than 60 years I have never felt, nor had the need of carrying a gun. I did carry a knife when I was in boy scouts but thats it. Sure there are some scary parts of town, even in the small town I live in but if you stay away from those areas your safe. As there isnt anything IN those areas but trouble its pretty easy to avoid.
So again, where do you people live that you NEED that kind of protection? I guess I just dont get it. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: decoy on January 05, 2022, 07:22:18 PM
I've been carrying concealed since 1984, you do the math. In that time I've felt the need to pull my pistol three times. The last time was in 1999. In all three instances, everybody involved walked away without a scratch. I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't been armed, but I do know that my pistol shut down whatever was about to happen.
As for caliber, I tote a .45. I have two, one is a Colt and the other is a Ruger 1911, because old, fat, and slow will almost always get the job done.
Do I really want to shoot someone? No, I'd really prefer not to, but I do know what my Daddy said. "It's better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it." I also know that firearms are like parachutes, if you don't have one when you need it, you'll probably never need one again.
As always, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: The Fugitive on January 05, 2022, 09:15:32 PM
I've been carrying concealed since 1984, you do the math. In that time I've felt the need to pull my pistol three times. The last time was in 1999. In all three instances, everybody involved walked away without a scratch. I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't been armed, but I do know that my pistol shut down whatever was about to happen.
As for caliber, I tote a .45. I have two, one is a Colt and the other is a Ruger 1911, because old, fat, and slow will almost always get the job done.
Do I really want to shoot someone? No, I'd really prefer not to, but I do know what my Daddy said. "It's better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it." I also know that firearms are like parachutes, if you don't have one when you need it, you'll probably never need one again.
As always, just my opinion.
Im not trying to be an A hole here, Im just trying to see the why?
What instances were you in when you needed to pull your weapon?
Just trying to understand. Im not some "do away with guns" nut and believe everyone has the right to bare arms. I just dont see how you can get into a situation where you need one with out being reckless and putting you self in trouble.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Arlo on January 05, 2022, 10:32:12 PM
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: guncrasher on January 05, 2022, 11:26:35 PM
fugi the answer will always be "i would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it".
I have owned guns since about 85 or 86, I have never carried one. well here in california, you mostly cant. and no dont give me that liberal is at fault crap, research it and it will point to reagan and nra back in the 60's.
I have never carried and only once I pointed it at one, a few years ago, my neighbor came home drunk and was banging on my door and tried to come in thru the window. I recognized him and told him, he lives next door. he was surprised apologized and went on his merry way.
last year 2 guys were complain about wearing masks and they said, if you are afraid stay home. then they started to complain about liberals in california not allowing to carry guns and this was at a legion where you cant carry guns anyway because alcohol is served. I just looked at them and said, if you are afraid stay home. they dont live in the state, which made it funnier.
I understand not everybody feels safe in whatever place their gonna go for whatever reason. I am just glad i dont have to go to a place where I could place myself in need of a gun. did that enough in the marines.
anyway, that's what I think.
semp
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: decoy on January 06, 2022, 06:56:18 AM
Im not trying to be an A hole here, Im just trying to see the why?
What instances were you in when you needed to pull your weapon?
Just trying to understand. Im not some "do away with guns" nut and believe everyone has the right to bare arms. I just dont see how you can get into a situation where you need one with out being reckless and putting you self in trouble.
The first time a great big guy threatened to whip my ass. Instead of taking him up on his offer, I was sitting in my truck, by the way, I pulled out my pistol and pointed it at he. He left. He seemed to be in quite a hurry, too. My partner and I had won some money that night, we were at rodeo, so I loaded the horses, collected my partner, and we hauled ass.
The second time a guy pulled a knife on me and I introduced him to my pistol. He also decided he'd rather be somewhere else and as soon as he was out of sight, I went home, too.
The third time happened in traffic, in broad open daylight. I don't know what I did to make the other driver made, but we both got stopped at the next red light. He jumped out of his Tahoe, slammed the door, and came storming back to my truck. He was still ten feet away when I pulled my pistol and he saw it through my windshield. He jumped back in his truck right as the light changed. He went straight and I went right and went home.
The first time was 1986, the second time was 1991, and the last time was in 1999. I don't know what would have happened if I had not been armed, but I don't think I would have liked it. For whatever reason, I don't think any of these people were up to speed on the Marquis of Queensbury Rules.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Maverick on January 06, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
TF, From the time I was fairly young, 22 / 23 I have carried. It was a part of my job as a LEO. My department "strongly" suggested that we carry off duty. It was not a mandatory thing per rules and regs and they acknowledged that there would be times where it would not be a good idea, (parties where you would imbibe, pools etc.) but all other times they wanted you to carry. Granted this was well before the invention of cell phones but even now they are still doing so. My dept was in a fairly major sized city, Tucson, and right near the border on a major narcotics route (I-19 / I-10). On duty I have been shot at, stabbed and hit with a car. The late 70's through early 90's had some bits of hazard to them and folks were often better behaved then than now.
I carried across the US after I retired when the LEOSA act was approved. I still carry today and have a TX CCW permit right next to my retired PD ID card. I have not needed to draw it but a couple times. In each case I was able to resolve the issue without firing or even showing it. My best defense is to avoid needing to use it and I use my years of being a paid "trained observer" to avoid places and people that would be an issue. On the other hand, should that fail, I would rather have it than not.
I am rapidly approaching 7 decades and even though I am in good shape for my age I am not in condition to brawl with anyone. Given today's society with kids with no discipline either deciding you have something they want or paying idiot games like the knock out "game" I will not be a willing victim. It only takes once in a lifetime for a bad encounter to happen. You cannot rely on the previous history of multiple years / decades where nothing happened to keep you and yours safe. The news has all kinds of stories where folks minding their own business became victims.
I live in a small town but still on a smuggling route for human smuggling and drugs up from the border. The local PD and SO have both handled several cases of each as well as homicides. I was on a homicide jury last November. The local PD have had a couple Officer involved shootings in the last couple years and this is a town of only 25k population, mostly retiree's.
The big city 55 miles away where we have family including grand kids has a constant litany of car jackings, shootings, drug running and just plain old gang stupidity. Gas stations are a favorite location for jackings.
Bad folks are everywhere including small towns. If you are comfortable not carrying, don't. No one is going to force you. Of course, in your state it would not be easy to get cleared to do so anyhow. Do what makes you comfortable. I do advise that you do start a state of heightened awareness of your surroundings anytime you leave your home. Look up the colors of awareness (white, yellow and red) as the books / writings about it are better at explaining it than I could be. Once you get in the habit you will start noticing things you never saw before.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Shuffler on January 06, 2022, 11:01:02 AM
I sure don't feel the need to explain why I carry. I won't ask why you don't. I'll just say... good luck with your choices.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Eagler on January 06, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
I would think conceal permits have gone crazy the last few years in particular..
Sadly for good reasons...
Eagler
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Vulcan on January 06, 2022, 03:21:50 PM
Widewing has chicken legs.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: The Fugitive on January 06, 2022, 05:47:42 PM
I want to thank everyone who did give answers. Im not against anyone having guns, also Im not some kind of pacifist. I've had my share of fights, all in defense against some moron. I drive 250 miles a day for my job so road rage is a think I have to contend with. In most cases I ignore the A hole and move on that that is where it ends. I have had a couple follow me to the local police or fire dept. Then tend to just drive away after that as well.
I have shot guns, BB/pellet, .22s, .45s, shotguns and so on. I just have never come across an instance that I could work my way out of with out pulling a gun to solve it. That is why I was curious as to where you guys live that you feel the need to have one "just in case".
Thanks for the answers, it gives me something to think about. <S>
Yes and we know a lot of Miami is not the best place to hang around. Im sure I can find places that havent had a "crime" in years just to prove a point like you did with picking a story from a hot spot. As stated above most places have bad areas and if you avoid them you will not run into trouble.
I just asked a simple clear question not to start something or bring in an "agender" I was curios. As I said where I live there really isnt a need to carry as long as you "stay alert" as Maverick said and avoid the "bad" areas. I only know a few people who have a permit to carry, and their jobs bring danger enough that its a good idea. For the rest of us I dont think many carry. So to the way I was brought up, and lived my life a gun was for hunting, if you were into that kind of thing. Many of you guys were talking like it no big deal to carry and its the norm, where here it isnt, so I was curious.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Nefarious on January 06, 2022, 06:36:55 PM
Guns are pretty neat.
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 06, 2022, 09:13:25 PM
To each, their own way of thinking...
I live in an area where you could be driving down some 2 lane highway and a white tail deer 🦌 might try to cross the road at any given second of the day 24/7 and whether you are behind the person driving the vehicle that hits the deer or coming from the other direction and still see a person hit a deer and never hit the brakes or even bother to stop... while in a company truck and not allowed to have firearms in most company trucks... I would call the Sheriff's office or highway patrol or 911 and request either or to come to the location...once they arrived I would ask them to shoot the deer (after they had asked me "what do you want me to do? ")..and tell them to take it to one of the Barbecue Restaurants and have them prepare it and deliver it to the local children's home...or if I was on Service Call (Service Technicians were allowed to carry) I would kill the deer and deliver it myself...
Also, being on Service call after normal work hours, you could find yourself being called out at 2am in the morning in the winter to repair/ fix someone's heating system and wind up at a drug house where you are in the bad part of town with all types strung out to where you had to hop scotch across them through the house just to get to the furnace...you never knew what you might come across be it Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point, Charlotte, Statesville, Raleigh etc.... 99.9% of the time they all love you for getting their heat up and running....but there is always that 0.1 % that you are fixing to be robbed /mugged/ jumped...
I have carried almost exclusively everyday since 1990... never pulled my firearm...
Just the same I've had a person Point a Colt Defender. 45 ACP and act like he was going to shot my right knee cap, he smooth but quickly moved his aim right and downward toward my foot hitting the floor 2 inches from my right foot...I never even flinched, but as he went to stand up with that 45 cooked and ready to fire again pointing at my stomach, I disarmed him in what felt like a split second... <---- this incident happened around end of March last year and caused my ptsd issues to spiral down that rabbit hole and I had to call and talk to some friends that helped me through it...
and when someone shows up at the Walmart in town and starts shooting people out of the blue.(thishappened last yeartoo)..then yes I think everyone of legal age should be able to carry... and open carry so that it can be seen...so idiots think twice and decide to take their evilness doings somewhere else
Don't Tread On Me!
TC
Distinguished Lifetime Member of the NRA
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Brooke on January 07, 2022, 01:55:43 AM
An anthem for our times:
It's a Beautiful World, by Devo :aok
Title: Re: Bad things happen in Philadelphia
Post by: Widewing on January 09, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
My best way to explain why I carry a firearm every day, everywhere legal to do so is my own personal experience. Nonetheless, my experience could be an outlier, rather than be typical.
Thus, I am going to suggest three books.
"Facing Violence: Preparing for the Unexpected" by Rory Miller. This highly awarded book is a rewarding read. You will learn valuable lessons without getting your face stomped, stabbed or shot.
After that, "Straight Talk on Armed Defense" by Massad Ayoob. Excellent advice from self-defense experts, lawyers and psychologists.
Last is Tom Givens' "Concealed Carry Class". If you carry a gun, plan on carrying a gun or just considering that possibility, read this book.
There is much you should know before you head out of your front door armed. You had better have a full understanding of the laws where you live on being armed and the relevant self-defense statutes. You need to have a good understanding of the psychology of violence and violent criminals. Understand that they simply do not think like you do. You absolutely must have excellent awareness. Especially in transitional spaces, where most violent crimes occur. You must be thoroughly trained in the safe and correct use and deployment of your firearm. There is an enormous amount to learn. Frequent training is essential. Not just shooting a box of ammo at a range now and then... Another factor... In Florida, there have been well over 1 million CCW licenses issued. However, less than 10% of licensed civilians carry a firearm daily. Why? Inconvenient, uncomfortable, clothing choice limitations, loss of interest or simply lazy. Let's face it, carrying a firearm IS a lifestyle change. Some folks get their license simply to avoid the three day waiting period for firearm purchases. Me, I carry every day.
So, should you decide to carry a firearm, don't be a liability to your community. Get proper training. Exercise good practices. Be an asset to the community and law enforcement. Leave your ego at home. Remember that with rights come responsibilities. With regard to your right to carry a firearm, you have the responsibility to do so safely and with wisdom.