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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Nefarious on January 29, 2022, 10:11:04 AM
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I know there's been some issues with orders and a few squads have stepped forward to do orders in the past few months. I selected the CICs by the dates last indicated. If you feel like you shouldn't be CIC because of this, let me know and we'll try to switch you out.
http://www.ahevents.net/index.php/fso-view-side-assignments
Allied Squadname CO Commit Lvl Side CIC Frame
325th CUTT 11 - 13 Allied
364th C-Hawks RedBrd 3 - 5 Allied 2022-02-11
412th FNVG Nefari 11 - 13 Allied 2022-02-04
9GIAP VVS RKKA Dantoo 7 - 9 Allied 2022-02-18
CLAIM JUMPERS flifast 5 - 7 Allied
VF-17 Jolly Rogers Branch37 3 - 5 Allied
Total Commitments Min: 40 Max: 52
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Axis Squadname CO Commit Lvl Side CIC Frame
162ndFG"Purple*Hearts" weiser 9 - 11 Axis
327th Steel Talons KOOL 3 - 5 Axis 2022-02-18
367th Fg 'The Dynamite Gang' DH367th 3 - 5 Axis
Arabian Knights AKWarHwk 13 - 15 Axis
III/JG11 Canukk 5 - 7 Axis
JG54 jaeger1 5 - 7 Axis 2022-02-11
Kommando Nowotny perdweeb 5 - 7 Axis
LCA OldDoom 7 - 9 Axis
The Bad Guys DarkWood 9 - 11 Axis 2022-02-04
Total Commitments Min: 59 Max: 77
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RGR sir
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JG54 Axis CiC frame 2 :aok
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The A6M-3 has no place in this. It is not historical. It is not a substitute. It is unbalancing.
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The A6M-3 has no place in this. It is not historical. It is not a substitute. It is unbalancing.
So is the B.239...
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Devil, you do make a habit of being wrong don’t you.
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Devil, you do make a habit of being wrong don’t you.
Have you got a source that claims B-239s served in South East Asia? I'll wait...
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A CM brought it up in the design discussion that the A6M2 and Ki-43 would have difficulty competing against the Hurricane II and Brew B-239, and that I should add the A6M3.
So I made the decision to add the A6M3 with the same restrictions the Allies have on the Brew. (12 MAX)
I felt it was a fair addition, considering the small stretch of the B-239 for the B-339C/D/E.
And let's be fair, despite the differences in the Finnish Service and Allied Service in the Dutch East Indies, it isn't that much difference - especially in the crew modifications that were made by both the Finnish and the Commonwealth Allies. The Commonwealth exports had more powerful Cyclone Engines as well. Both sides scrapped the Armor and modified the guns and fuel loadout to make the aircraft more lightweight and maneuverable. So in reality, our B-239 is probably a good sub for the B-339 that saw service in the Dutch East Indies, not so much for the USN/USMC versions.
Looking over the logs, the Allies did surprisingly well. The Axis also went 2 over their allotted A6M3, not that big of an infraction, but still a violation.
As always, we'll talk it out and see if there is a problem and adjust if needed. <S>
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From purely a plane set standpoint, the A6M3 is fine mixed in with Brewster's. With the Axis having as many fighters as the Allies, perhaps that is where the conversation needs to happen. Maybe having so many fighters justifies alteration of the planeset? It seemed fairly balanced last night, there were moments of domination from the Axis over 16. That was all by plan, though.
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there were moments of domination from the Axis over 16.
LOL, as someone who was there at A16, it felt like domination for sure. But the logs show a different story all around.
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It seemed like plan-wise everything went right for the Axis. That doesn't happen often. :)
Hell of a long drawn out fight with the Hurris. :salute
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I chocked up last night's victory to planning.
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I believe what Dantoo may be referring to is the last few moments of the Allied fighter's flight over A16. It didn't end well for them and that was historic.
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Have you got a source that claims B-239s served in South East Asia? I'll wait...
Devil made the comment "So is the B239" in reply to Dantoo's post which stated "The A6m3 has no place in this. It is not historical. It is not a substitute. It is unbalancing."
The B239 was a land based modification of the Buffalo so it can be classified as a substitute for the F3F which we do not have in the plane set. Any reasonable person can see that, therefore Devil is wrong to say the b239 has no place in the plane set.
One last point, these things are supposed to be fun for both sides. They are not a completely historical recreation. The addition of a Zero with double the 20MM ammo load just makes it that much more difficult for the allies which have no A/C with cannons to compete in an environment where they have no advantages in speed, climb, or manuverability.
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Devil made the comment "So is the B239" in reply to Dantoo's post which stated "The A6m3 has no place in this. It is not historical. It is not a substitute. It is unbalancing."
The B239 was a land based modification of the Buffalo so it can be classified as a substitute for the F3F which we do not have in the plane set. Any reasonable person can see that, therefore Devil is wrong to say the b239 has no place in the plane set.
One last point, these things are supposed to be fun for both sides. They are not a completely historical recreation. The addition of a Zero with double the 20MM ammo load just makes it that much more difficult for the allies which have no A/C with cannons to compete in an environment where they have no advantages in speed, climb, or manuverability.
You mean F2A.
Singapore was indeed historically catastrophic for the Commonwealth. But, last night was down to planning and execution, in my opinion.
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You are correct, F2A. Thank you.
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Good planning always helps.
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Devil made the comment "So is the B239" in reply to Dantoo's post which stated "The A6m3 has no place in this. It is not historical. It is not a substitute. It is unbalancing."
The B239 was a land based modification of the Buffalo so it can be classified as a substitute for the F3F which we do not have in the plane set. Any reasonable person can see that, therefore Devil is wrong to say the b239 has no place in the plane set.
One last point, these things are supposed to be fun for both sides. They are not a completely historical recreation. The addition of a Zero with double the 20MM ammo load just makes it that much more difficult for the allies which have no A/C with cannons to compete in an environment where they have no advantages in speed, climb, or manuverability.
The British Commonwealth used the B-339E (Buffalo Mk. 1), which had a host of problems that hampered it's combat effectiveness, especially poor engine performance. According to "Brewster Buffalo in British Service." Its climb rate was only 2,300 Ft/min on the deck. Our Finnish Brewster has a climb rate of a little over 2,900 Ft/min - a difference of 600+.
How does this compare to the A6M3's improvement over the A6M2? Pretty evenly, actually. Climb rate for the A6M2 is 2800 Ft/min and 3,400 Ft/min for the A6M3 - a difference of 600 Ft/min.
So by adding the A6M3, the historical difference in climb performance between the Zeke and Brewster is maintained. Sure the A6M3 has 40 more cannon rounds per gun, but the Finnish Brewster also turns tighter and quicker than a B-339E, so there are still advantages inherent to both over the historical match-up.
Neither the Finnish Brewster or the A6M3 is appropriate for Malaysia 1942, but adding the A6M3 makes having the Finnish Brewster as a substitute for the B-339E a viable option because the Finnish Brewster vs. A6M2 is a bad match-up.
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Devil,
Simple question. Are the B239 and the A6m3 equal? Which is more capable of dominating the fight?
That is why the A6m3 unbalances the FSO event.
I am in no way complaining about the setup. I am just saying your comparison of the A6m3 and B239 is wrong and Dantoos claim is more correct.
It is what it is. But let's be truthful, without the A6M3, the Jap planes are already far superior to the allied planes.
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Devil,
Simple question. Are the B239 and the A6m3 equal? Which is more capable of dominating the fight?
That is why the A6m3 unbalances the FSO event.
I am in no way complaining about the setup. I am just saying your comparison of the A6m3 and B239 is wrong and Dantoos claim is more correct.
It is what it is. But let's be truthful, without the A6M3, the Jap planes are already far superior to the allied planes.
The A6M3 makes having the Brewster balanced because the Brewster is the plane that breaks the setup.
Also, you Allies get to feast on Bettys. You have not grounds to complain about anything here. The 12 Brewsters last night got 1/2 of the total kills of the Axis.
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OK I see you are challenged in the reality department.
The 12 B239's shot down 21 of the 65 aircraft lost by the Japs. Not close to the 50% you stated.
It is a generally accepted part of the FSO experience that some squads see more action than others. In last night's frame The B239 group was lucky enough to come across not only some Betty's but the few Val's that were included in the frame.
Just dumb luck and the talented members of the 325th Checkertails VFG made the most of their good fortune.
In comparison the 9 guys of the 9GIAP VVDS RKKA (3 less pilots than the 325th) scored 23 kills (2 more than the 325th) in 8 gun armed Hurricanes.
You can now easily see your claim is not valid.
To put an end to this silliness, lets test your theory that the B239 is a match for the A6M3. I will put my modest skills against yours, me in a A6M3 and you in a B239. Best of 5 winner gets bragging rights to end this.
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I said The 235th scored a number that is half of the total the AXIS scored in terms of kills. 325th had 23 and ALL OF THE AXIS had 45.
Here's a dose of reality for you, every plane you are facing is essentially built of balsa wood, skinned in tin foil, and painted in rocket fuel.
God forbid everything is not 100% ideal for the Allies every single month.
You've got it made this month, suck it up.
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When you are right, you are right.
My side is outnumbered 68 to 50 and has slower, less maneuverable, weaker armed planes.
And some guy on the side with all the advantage is going to argue that a B239 will unbalance the planeset because that guy thinks it has the same impact as an A6M3.
WOW! Can't argue with that kind of reasoning.
I will just suck it up and enjoy the FSO.
BTW, considering the unbalanced planeset the allies had to deal with, they really did kick the axis' ass. Maybe next frame you can get some George's and Frank's to even out the slaughter.
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When you are right, you are right.
My side is outnumbered 68 to 50 and has slower, less maneuverable, weaker armed planes.
And some guy on the side with all the advantage is going to argue that a B239 will unbalance the planeset because that guy thinks it has the same impact as an A6M3.
WOW! Can't argue with that kind of reasoning.
I will just suck it up and enjoy the FSO.
BTW, considering the unbalanced planeset the allies had to deal with, they really did kick the axis' ass. Maybe next frame you can get some George's and Frank's to even out the slaughter.
Bettys
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I will just suck it up and enjoy the FSO.
BTW, considering the unbalanced planeset the allies had to deal with, they really did kick the axis' ass. Maybe next frame you can get some George's and Frank's to even out the slaughter.
Not as bad as the target bases got it