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Help and Support Forums => All things VR => Topic started by: Dichotomy on February 11, 2022, 08:20:34 AM
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I played for a long time then developed simulator sickness and had to bail. Then life happened and I couldn't afford the suggestions people made for me. That said i'm planning on getting a new rig in 3 to 4 months. Then the Oculous, And finally replace my flight gear. (new job got a ton of toys I want to buy and they're on a list by priority. So I'm looking at maybe a year before I'm completely set up.
That said I'd be curious to see how you're experience has been with it. I had a track ir in the past and loved it. I'm hoping a VR would help me have more immersion. Well not to the point that Dale suggested to me almost 10 years ago. I'm not going to sit on a 55 gallon drum of fuel with a lit cigarette in sub zero temps. LOL
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VR is the end of a journey I started at around age 5 when I assembled and hung my 1st model airplane from my bedroom ceiling..
Nothing else compares IMO
Eagler
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It’s ridiculously immersive. You are INSIDE the cockpit instead of looking at it on a 2D screen. I use a Quest 2 with a separate headset/mic, and it really separates you from the real world and immerses completely.
That said, you give up a lot of keyboard interaction. If you use text a lot in game it’s going to cramp your style. The keyboard is virtual, and you type by looking at each letter and clicking the mouse, so it’s very tedious.
VR is the only thing that has made me slightly nauseous but I got used to it within days.
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I, like oboe, use the Quest 2 with a normal headset (Arctis 7 wireless). Tonight will be my first time flying with it in the MA/FSO, but I've flown probably 7-8 hours in MSFS with it, just tooling around in a 172 flying up the coast.
Words cannot describe the feeling when you're flying around. Videos in VR view don't do it justice. It's stupid. You need to get it.
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I, like oboe, use the Quest 2 with a normal headset (Arctis 7 wireless). Tonight will be my first time flying with it in the MA/FSO, but I've flown probably 7-8 hours in MSFS with it, just tooling around in a 172 flying up the coast.
Words cannot describe the feeling when you're flying around. Videos in VR view don't do it justice. It's stupid. You need to get it.
:aok :rock :salute :airplane: What he said!!!
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VR is the end of a journey I started at around age 5 when I assembled and hung my 1st model airplane from my bedroom ceiling..
Nothing else compares IMO
Eagler
Exactly
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VR is the end of a journey I started at around age 5 when I assembled and hung my 1st model airplane from my bedroom ceiling..
Nothing else compares IMO
Eagler
I remember when I lost my VR virginity, that holy crap moment the first time you looked around an AH cockpit. It's amazing how fast VR has evolved, prices have dropped, and the uptake.
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VR is the end of a journey I started at around age 5 when I assembled and hung my 1st model airplane from my bedroom ceiling..
Nothing else compares IMO
Eagler
Hey there Eagler!!! Good to see you brother. So ya I'm going to sit tight for a bit, buy my new gaming rig, and the oculous unless you have another option and I have a tremendous amount of respect for your expertise and experience. I'm thinking it may take me about six months to a year to get in the saddle and fire up again. I'm getting geared up to dump about 3k in equipment and a few months of offline and TA time to get good to go.
That said I'm excited about coming back. I really missed the brotherhood and the friendships I made here.
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Thanks everyone else for your insight. Very much appreciated.
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Hey there Eagler!!! Good to see you brother. So ya I'm going to sit tight for a bit, buy my new gaming rig, and the oculous unless you have another option and I have a tremendous amount of respect for your expertise and experience. I'm thinking it may take me about six months to a year to get in the saddle and fire up again. I'm getting geared up to dump about 3k in equipment and a few months of offline and TA time to get good to go.
That said I'm excited about coming back. I really missed the brotherhood and the friendships I made here.
In 6 months and especially if it's a year out, everything will change, so other than encouraging you to go for a VR build, nothing else will be applicable by then.
I can offer two bits of advice you can take as you like.
1) Go with a 2nd generation Head Mounted Display where the inevitable bugs and shortcomings have been worked out and fixed, i.e. the HP Reverb G2 ver.1's power cable issue or the current Varjo Aero (without audio, mic., or controllers), to name 2 that came/come with significant shortcomings. My son has the HP G2 ver. 2 and loves it at the current price point.
2) Look for Haptic hand trackers, i.e. the Valve Index today, WITH base stations aka lighthouses as an affordable part of the package. Built-in audio and mic. i.e. the Index and HP Reverb have very nice sound but even the original Oculus Rift was good enough to me. WiFi 6 is looking good for wireless VR without lag and hopefully it'll be offered and available by the time you're ready. I can't imagine a new PC build without WiFi 6 built-in, even for an ethernet connected PC, so you should be good. Of course, state of the art displays are mandatory, and will probably come with the "new pancake lenses".
Nothing today checks all those boxes, but maybe in 12 months or so a major manufacturer's upgrade just might.
No mater what GPU you choose, it probably won't be good enough for the following Generations of VR HMDs. Do your research and plan to keep your gaming HMD for at least a couple of years. Don't over spend on a GPU as you'll probably want to upgrade it as part of any new HMD purchase.
Keep in mind that among today's gaming HMDs, none of which check all the boxes, they're running from $300 USD for the Quest 2, $600 USD for an HP G2v2 and $1,000 USD for a Valve Index in the Steam store. None of them check all the boxes and this is before you look at customer support going forward and their warantee and no cost recalls!
For gaming, the sweet spot for value vs. dollars, cough, seems to be about $5-$600 USD.
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You can do wireless Wifi without lag right now on 802.11ac. Right now the limitation is the computational requirements.
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You can do wireless Wifi without lag right now on 802.11ac. Right now the limitation is the computational requirements.
Yes, but the future is cloud based computation with the refreshed image frames passed through fast internet and your local wifi. The issue will be, who is willing to share their viewing with the server(s) along the way. Or spend the cash to run locally. The stupid kids, mine include apparently, will say that privacy is already dead, get used to it.
Yep. Well no.
Edit: Businesses will never go that way. They'll spend the money to ensure privacy and control over security.
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Have been in cable television since 1979...
They are now trying to tie customers wifi into umbrella type coverage that would be shared...
Yep convenience over privacy is the motto sadly
Eagler
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Yes, but the future is cloud based computation with the refreshed image frames passed through fast internet and your local wifi.
No it is not. There is too much latency in either direction for that to be effective, it's a pipe dream.
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No it is not. There is too much latency in either direction for that to be effective, it's a pipe dream.
:D At least you didn't use the word "never." ;)
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:D At least you didn't use the word "never." ;)
The issue with cloud gaming and cloud vr is input lags (e.g. controller and headtracking). With headtracking lag will be noticeable and would likely contribute to nausea. To solve this issue you will need to solve FTL data transfer.
Who knows, maybe quantum computing would solve it. But with Quantum computing would you even need the cloud any more.
I'm prettty sure there was some sort of cloud gaming both setup at one of the vr shows a couple a years back and it was really bad.
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You can become resistant to VR lag/pause/stutter induced nausea with practice. A significant roadblock for me presently, other than prescription lenses, is controller input. For a flight sim that is best served with a physical HOTAS you still need to be able to flip switches and turn dials. There's not solid solution for this yet imo.
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You quickly find out what buttons you need and which you don't in vr
I have everything I need in a fighter programmed to the jstick and throttle
Eagler
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Ya that was what I was wondering because when I had my ch setup I really didn't have to look at it. I knew where all the buttons were and what they did by 'feel'. I was running trackir back in the day and I was thinking that a VR headset might help with my simulator sickness. I mean I'm pretty set on investing big bucks into a gaming rig, oculous, new set of CH gear, All told I'll probably be dumping 3 to 5 k to get set up again. The only real worry I have right now is local bandwith. Eagler what do you have to say on that front? I moved to the sticks and my up / down aint that great. Whats the min for seamless game play?
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Ya that was what I was wondering because when I had my ch setup I really didn't have to look at it. I knew where all the buttons were and what they did by 'feel'. I was running trackir back in the day and I was thinking that a VR headset might help with my simulator sickness. I mean I'm pretty set on investing big bucks into a gaming rig, oculous, new set of CH gear, All told I'll probably be dumping 3 to 5 k to get set up again. The only real worry I have right now is local bandwith. Eagler what do you have to say on that front? I moved to the sticks and my up / down aint that great. Whats the min for seamless game play?
I am on DSL. Link speed is 130/104 recieve/trasnsmit Mbps run a pretty solid 53ping rate for game
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I played for a long time then developed simulator sickness and had to bail. Then life happened and I couldn't afford the suggestions people made for me. That said i'm planning on getting a new rig in 3 to 4 months. Then the Oculous, And finally replace my flight gear. (new job got a ton of toys I want to buy and they're on a list by priority. So I'm looking at maybe a year before I'm completely set up.
That said I'd be curious to see how you're experience has been with it. I had a track ir in the past and loved it. I'm hoping a VR would help me have more immersion. Well not to the point that Dale suggested to me almost 10 years ago. I'm not going to sit on a 55 gallon drum of fuel with a lit cigarette in sub zero temps. LOL
Allow me to ask you a question good Sir. Have you ever played a racing game? Forza, Gran Tourismo? Nascar? I will assume you have for context. What is the difference between playing the race game in "driver view" on a flat 2d screen on your desk and driving your car to work or anywhere for that matter? The difference is so great its not even worth discussing right? Well, that is the difference between flying cockpit view on your 2d flat screen and literally sitting in the cockpit of a scaled Pony and flying in the sky. When you understand this.. you too will fly Aces High VR.
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I am hoping very much that the VR will keep that at bay. I think it will. I was running twin 48" monitors with a track IR when it raised its ugly head
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I came back after 10 years away. I was multi monitor track ir before...today, got the Oculus Quest 2 working and flew VR for the first time....
It is absolutely amazing.
I've never really been prone to motion sickness, but there have been some VR things that messed with me... The International Space Station VR game thing, and Skyrim VR....
But I dont get any of that in Aces High... after a few refresher hours in the TA... probably because sitting is the way we fly, and most of the g forces would actually be downward, like the brain is used to.
It's fantastic. So much so, if you are budgeting.. I would say get a good computer, then the headset and a cheapo stick. Then save for a good stick and pedals.
It's seriously worth it
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Oh trust me I'm waiting until I'm fully equipped and set before I even hit the TA. My list is as follows
Oculus (3 to 4 weeks away)
CH stick, throttle, pedals (that'll be another 6 weeks unless I decide to blow my tax refund on them)
New main custom build PC. That could be 90 to 120 days away
A month offline just getting used to everything and setting my rig up right
The off to the TA for some 'real' world 'flying'.
Then I'm going to look up my old squad and see if they'd take me back.
If everything hits perfect I could be back as early as August but I'm thinking Sept / Oct is a more reasonable time frame.
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Oh trust me I'm waiting until I'm fully equipped and set before I even hit the TA. My list is as follows
Oculus (3 to 4 weeks away)
CH stick, throttle, pedals (that'll be another 6 weeks unless I decide to blow my tax refund on them)
New main custom build PC. That could be 90 to 120 days away
A month offline just getting used to everything and setting my rig up right
The off to the TA for some 'real' world 'flying'.
Then I'm going to look up my old squad and see if they'd take me back.
If everything hits perfect I could be back as early as August but I'm thinking Sept / Oct is a more reasonable time frame.
I'm in the process of trying to track down some of the guys I used to fly with and trying to talk them into coming back to Aces High. My old squad, Rolling Thunder, doesnt appear to be around anymore.
But dang, the VR is such a game changer. If you know anybody who enjoyed it before, encourage them to come back.
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I kind of lost track of all my old friends. Leaving the game was tough enough then a lot of life stuff happened and I simply didn't have time or energy to keep up with people. But I do tout it quite a bit on reddit if I stumble across someone who might want to up a WW2 bird
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I kind of lost track of all my old friends. Leaving the game was tough enough then a lot of life stuff happened and I simply didn't have time or energy to keep up with people. But I do tout it quite a bit on reddit if I stumble across someone who might want to up a WW2 bird
I would be your WING MAN ANYTIME!
BW1stpar/ULCapkid
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I would be your WING MAN ANYTIME!
BW1stpar/ULCapkid
Roger that :)