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Title: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on February 25, 2022, 07:22:39 AM
I'm just going to be 100% honest here. My recently ex had Crohns and MJ really helped her have a somewhat normal life. So I looked into it, learned how to grow it, invested heavily in equipment to do so, so I knew exactly what was going into her and that it was 100% organic. Saved me a bunch of dough over time. Of course now I have all this equipment and they've been converted to indoor veggies and such. Turns out I have a somewhat green thumb and it's a low stress hobby.
That said I'd LOVE for it to be legalized here with very little oversight. I don't personally use it because I don't like the effect it has on me but, as far as I'm concerned, it should be legalized. I'd even like for them to let people with small ops like mine to sell to dispensaries as kind of a 'top shelf' thing.
When I was growing it we compared dispensary stuff from CO and CA and everybody that tried both said mine kicked everyones ass.
Just for the record I am NOT growing pot anymore. Too much risk. I took the risk for the woman I loved and will always love. The woman she is now is a bat toejam Cee U Next Tuesday
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: decoy on February 25, 2022, 08:43:10 AM
I'm guessing the weed helped some with the Cee U Next Tuesday girl. Just a guess.
As for weed, I quit on December 10, 1993, and I know that because our band was playing a 'battle of the bands' gig (Toys for Tots) and we were supposed to go on stage second. OTW to the show, the lead guitarist and I burned a fat one and, when we got there, we were advised that the first group was a no show. While I'm on stage, I noticed my parents, my ex (and Cee U girl) and my three kids in the audience. My mom had this giant video camera and recorded the show.
The image of the two of us, leaning against one another, both trying to play guitar, is burned in my memory forever.
As for legality, Georgia doesn't even have medical marijuana, but I will admit that, when my chemo treatments were heaviest, it would not have bothered me to ease the discomfort with a little THC.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on February 25, 2022, 09:23:24 AM
I'm just going to be 100% honest here. My recently ex had Crohns and MJ really helped her have a somewhat normal life. So I looked into it, learned how to grow it, invested heavily in equipment to do so, so I knew exactly what was going into her and that it was 100% organic. Saved me a bunch of dough over time. Of course now I have all this equipment and they've been converted to indoor veggies and such. Turns out I have a somewhat green thumb and it's a low stress hobby.
That said I'd LOVE for it to be legalized here with very little oversight. I don't personally use it because I don't like the effect it has on me but, as far as I'm concerned, it should be legalized. I'd even like for them to let people with small ops like mine to sell to dispensaries as kind of a 'top shelf' thing.
When I was growing it we compared dispensary stuff from CO and CA and everybody that tried both said mine kicked everyones ass.
Just for the record I am NOT growing pot anymore. Too much risk. I took the risk for the woman I loved and will always love. The woman she is now is a bat toejam Cee U Next Tuesday
It's a safer alternative than alcohol, and has many medicinal purposes. I'd rather people smoke MJ than cigarettes. The only issue is that like alcohol, it should not be used at work if you can endanger someone's life. Sativa can give you bad paranoia. Your motor skills will be slower, and your field of vision will narrow. So it should not be abused, similar to alcohol. IMO, alcohol causes far more impairment than MJ. The best way to test that is to write down your thoughts while drinking for the night. Start sober. You will notice your hand writing get far worse, and your thoughts to be much more profound as you get more drunk. It's an interesting experiment. You don't get that from MJ. One of the main issues with MJ is that it's a plant and will stay in your system for a lot longer as your body processes it to fat. This is why if you are drug tested regularly, it's such a risk. One of the worst things about MJ in my opinion. Like anything, overuse could cause some long term mental issues with regards to remembering things. When I lived in OR, I personally did not see anything crazy that people were doing with it. The big problem there is meth and herion. MJ doesn't put you on the streets like those drugs do, plus you cannot overdose and die on MJ like those drugs do. MJ also doesn't ruin your face and skin like those drugs do. IMO, it really should not be illegal. I always like to say, I'd rather there be more pot heads than alcoholics. MJ doesn't make your emotions and anger run wild like alcholol does. For people coming home from a long day of work, MJ is a much better option than Alcohol. Just my thoughts. There are people who definitely prefer alcohol and don't like MJ and vice versa. To me, MJ should not be illegal because it provides another alternative to escape rather than just alcohol which does far more damage to people.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on February 25, 2022, 09:24:28 AM
Should be legal and no more regulated than buying tomatoes at a farm market. Growing it is as fun as consuming it and the knowledge helped with the vegetable garden for sure.
Finally legal here in NY, well not just yet for home cultivation for recreational purposes, but that should open soon.
MJ doesn't make your emotions and anger run wild like alcholol does. For people coming home from a long day of work, MJ is a much better option than Alcohol. Just my thoughts. There are people who definitely prefer alcohol and don't like MJ and vice versa. To me, MJ should not be illegal because it provides another alternative to escape rather than just alcohol which does far more damage to people.
Very true. I've seen a lot of mean drunks but never a mean pothead.
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Post by: DaddyAce on February 25, 2022, 10:21:45 AM
I indulged a lot when I was late teens through late 20's. Completely gave it up when I had kids in my mid 30's. Then came back to it in recent years to help me deal with arthritis pain so I could stay physically active then sleep at night and cut back a lot on my use of legal, but IMHO more dangerous pain meds. It has worked well for me. I had a med MJ card for several years so I could be legal here in MT. Now that recreational use is legal here, I no longer pay to have the card simply because it is not worth the doc fee to maintain it. The difference in the tax rate is not enough to offset the cost of maintaining the card, since the stuff I can buy is very strong and I get good relief using about a 50:50 CBD to THC in my edible concoction, and typically dose myself on some evenings about 10 mg or so of each of CBD and THC so an ounce lasts me about a year.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on February 25, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
Should be legal..medical is a state run rip off joke
User since 1975
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: morfiend on February 25, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
That stuff will mess you up… devils salad is not good!!!
Of course I kid…. Been legal in the whole country for a few years,careful what you ask for you just might get it. Prices didn’t really come down and they limit how many plants you can grow but I’m fortunate that I have a very old medical license from the early 90’s and can grow more than I need.
Of course selling without a proper license can still land you in jail but usually it’s just a large fine.
<S>
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: The Fugitive on February 25, 2022, 11:25:47 AM
Never been a "pot head" tho I did attend HS in the 70's. Now its legal here in MA and with the ache in my hands from arthritis Im seriously thinking about trying something to ease the pain without me sitting in a corner watching butterflies. Not sure where to begin.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: morfiend on February 25, 2022, 11:55:05 AM
Never been a "pot head" tho I did attend HS in the 70's. Now its legal here in MA and with the ache in my hands from arthritis Im seriously thinking about trying something to ease the pain without me sitting in a corner watching butterflies. Not sure where to begin.
CBD isolates,won’t get you high at all but seems to help with pain. Or just get some CBD infused edible if you think the isolates look too much like coke. You dissolve the isolates under your tounge and don’t really notice anything until you move said aching part and then you go hey….wow.
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Post by: Shuffler on February 25, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
CBD isolates,won’t get you high at all but seems to help with pain. Or just get some CBD infused edible if you think the isolates look too much like coke. You dissolve the isolates under your tounge and don’t really notice anything until you move said aching part and then you go hey….wow.
... or if your hand hurts, have someone stomp on your foot. :D
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: morfiend on February 25, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
Should be legal and no more regulated than buying tomatoes at a farm market. Growing it is as fun as consuming it and the knowledge helped with the vegetable garden for sure.
Finally legal here in NY, well not just yet for home cultivation for recreational purposes, but that should open soon.
That's a nice grow right there. You should take a look at bifbeans.com They have a discord and some of the most knowledgable people I've ever met in regards to cultivation
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on February 25, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
Never been a "pot head" tho I did attend HS in the 70's. Now its legal here in MA and with the ache in my hands from arthritis Im seriously thinking about trying something to ease the pain without me sitting in a corner watching butterflies. Not sure where to begin.
I'd look at an indica leaning hybrid for pain.
Oh did I ever mention as most of you old timers know. When I get into something I go whole hog. I still consider myself a neophyte but I've gotten to where I could smell a nug and tell you which way it leans as far as effect. For the ex the Sativa strains worked best.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on February 25, 2022, 01:50:28 PM
I smoke sativa several times a week. it helped me get off lithium for bipolar as it was the only med that helped me with no side effects but it was affecting my liver big time. yeah I know liver I'd a side effect but I'm taking about the big one suicidal thoughts. I'm one of those people that medications work different. was prescribed pervocet for back pain, it would keep me up, couldn't sleep.
anyway it helped me get off all the meds, I smoke it at night after playing the game. before I go to sleep. seems to work better for me.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on February 25, 2022, 02:28:51 PM
I smoke sativa several times a week. it helped me get off lithium for bipolar as it was the only med that helped me with no side effects but it was affecting my liver big time. yeah I know liver I'd a side effect but I'm taking about the big one suicidal thoughts. I'm one of those people that medications work different. was prescribed pervocet for back pain, it would keep me up, couldn't sleep.
anyway it helped me get off all the meds, I smoke it at night after playing the game. before I go to sleep. seems to work better for me.
semp
Way more fun before you play..
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CAV on February 25, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
Other than strictly regulated medical, it should be illegal and jail time mandatory.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 25, 2022, 08:10:59 PM
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Chalenge on February 25, 2022, 10:41:15 PM
I knew someone that got totally aggressive under sativa, but indica kush would put him to sleep. Anyway, the latest research indicates that if you are diabetic, immune affected, or a stroke candidate that any of this could be deadly. So do your research.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on February 25, 2022, 10:59:41 PM
I knew someone that got totally aggressive under sativa, but indica kush would put him to sleep. Anyway, the latest research indicates that if you are diabetic, immune affected, or a stroke candidate that any of this could be deadly. So do your research.
like any other meds if it doesnt work for you dont take them. or overdo them, got my wife an edible, told her to take a piece and eat it. went to the bathroom, when i came back asked her where's the rest of the brownie, she said she ate it, it was good. she spent like all day looking at the ceiling.
semp
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Post by: Dichotomy on February 26, 2022, 02:22:49 AM
like any other meds if it doesnt work for you dont take them. or overdo them, got my wife an edible, told her to take a piece and eat it. went to the bathroom, when i came back asked her where's the rest of the brownie, she said she ate it, it was good. she spent like all day looking at the ceiling.
semp
LOL... when I was growing I'd take the kief off the sugar leaves and make butter out of it. For a while there my mom was making cookies out of it to help her insomnia and it really worked. The last batch though I kind of overdid it in the proportions and she made her cookies. One and she was in la la land for a few hours. Totally couch locked just starting at the TV and not moving. Ahh good times.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 26, 2022, 06:10:30 AM
You have to be very careful with edibles in California. They all allow tiny little gummies to have like 350mg in them. In OR, most gummies have 8mg. And 50 max for the whole bottle. If you don't know what you are doing and eat the whole thing. It could make you feel very weird. A sativa gummy like that could make you feel very Paranoid. It happened to me at Disney land actually. Ate half of one thinking "meh. No big deal for me". I was paranoid for hours walking around. Needless to say, the Indiana Jones ride was quite the experience.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on February 26, 2022, 07:01:27 AM
Other than strictly regulated medical, it should be illegal and jail time mandatory.
And what do you drink Cav?
Jail time ... if you aren't joking you should be lol
Eagler
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Post by: Gogolinius on February 26, 2022, 08:14:30 AM
You cannot claim to live in a free land, while fearing arrest and asset seizure for growing a non-poisonous, non-destructive plant. The fact that we allow booze and tobacco to be legal is secondary, at least in my mind. Cannabis prohibition is about the most unamerican policy that's ever been allowed to persist.
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Post by: Ramesis on February 26, 2022, 09:25:08 AM
I started smoking pot in '67... quit when my first daughter was born... have never grown pot just cut it down in the mountains of Jamaica... now that I am about to turn 70... it sounds like a soothing hobby :cheers: What would I need to grow pot? :salute
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on February 26, 2022, 01:27:46 PM
You have to be very careful with edibles in California. They all allow tiny little gummies to have like 350mg in them. In OR, most gummies have 8mg. And 50 max for the whole bottle. If you don't know what you are doing and eat the whole thing. It could make you feel very weird. A sativa gummy like that could make you feel very Paranoid. It happened to me at Disney land actually. Ate half of one thinking "meh. No big deal for me". I was paranoid for hours walking around. Needless to say, the Indiana Jones ride was quite the experience.
a little inaccurate, you buy then by the bag and the max I've seen is 500 mg per bag and that was on brownies. gummies are usually 300 in a bag that has 8 to 15.
but you are right it could be dangerous in a sense that edibles are processed by the liver and it takes at least 30 minutes to process. unlike smoking that hits you right away. people have a tendency to over do it, thinking it does nothing to me.
semp
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Post by: icepac on February 26, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
I don't want to see the pilot of my flight hitting a fattie underneath the jetway.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Windycty on February 26, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
Legalize it. Marijuana has been legal in Illinois for just over 2yrs, the state has profited $205 million from tax revenue. Veterans like myself get 20% discount, even more if you have a medical card.
The dispensary near me is the first in the state to allow consumption onsite. They have a smoking lounge where you can roll your own or use one of the shop's various bongs/ hookahs.
Windy-
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Post by: guncrasher on February 26, 2022, 05:52:11 PM
Legalize it. Marijuana has been legal in Illinois for just over 2yrs, the state has profited $205 million from tax revenue. Veterans like myself get 20% discount, even more if you have a medical card.
The dispensary near me is the first in the state to allow consumption onsite. They have a smoking lounge where you can roll your own or use one of the shop's various bongs/ hookahs.
Windy-
this I dont agree with unless you have a driver to take you home.
semp
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Post by: Windycty on February 26, 2022, 06:09:45 PM
:rofl. not my wife, ever since the whole brownie incident, she doesnt agree with my smoking. she understands but dont like it :banana: :banana: :banana:
semp
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Post by: Windycty on February 26, 2022, 07:13:33 PM
Lol yeah the brownies can be a little much. I pretty much stick to vape pen or gummy. It’s like a twice a month occurrence. I’ll stick to my bourbon and cigars more than weed.
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Post by: 1Cane on February 27, 2022, 11:26:54 AM
I will be 75 in a month.All My friends who smoked pot are gone . :neener:
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Post by: zack1234 on February 27, 2022, 01:55:48 PM
Go the whole hog and let people buy smack from the supermarket :old:
Cut the horse crap
Have no standards or rules for anything and let stupid do what ever they want.
Let men believe they are women
No wonder the Chinese and Russians think the West are degenerates
Put your mask on and do as your told
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Post by: Dichotomy on February 27, 2022, 06:34:23 PM
Lol yeah the brownies can be a little much. I pretty much stick to vape pen or gummy. It’s like a twice a month occurrence. I’ll stick to my bourbon and cigars more than weed.
Ya I got a bit 'enthusiastic' the last time I made cannabutter so mom could have her cookies. It pretty much put her in a coma for 8 hours LOL.
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Post by: guncrasher on February 28, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
a little inaccurate, you buy then by the bag and the max I've seen is 500 mg per bag and that was on brownies. gummies are usually 300 in a bag that has 8 to 15.
but you are right it could be dangerous in a sense that edibles are processed by the liver and it takes at least 30 minutes to process. unlike smoking that hits you right away. people have a tendency to over do it, thinking it does nothing to me.
semp
Not when I was there a 4-5 years ago in Orange county. Wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though. They had bags with individual gummies, but also small square gummies with 300mg. I was shocked. They even let us hit a bong in the store. Couldn't believe it compared to Portland.
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Post by: guncrasher on March 01, 2022, 11:20:15 PM
Not when I was there a 4-5 years ago in Orange county. Wouldn't be surprised if they changed it though. They had bags with individual gummies, but also small square gummies with 300mg. I was shocked. They even let us hit a bong in the store. Couldn't believe it compared to Portland.
think it was more like economics. when I first bought edibles they were 5 bucks each for 50 mlg,s but you could get a bag of 8 for 15 bucks for 50mlg each. it's just economics, not the prices go up or down depends on where you buy them. and there's lots of competition.
some stores around here offer a fee bong, not many because people line up as they were offering free tacos., but whatever.
semp
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Post by: Traveler on March 03, 2022, 04:08:28 PM
Never been a "pot head" tho I did attend HS in the 70's. Now its legal here in MA and with the ache in my hands from arthritis Im seriously thinking about trying something to ease the pain without me sitting in a corner watching butterflies. Not sure where to begin.
A discussion with your doctor couldn't hurt. I know several guys with the same complaint as you, that use some form in an eatable. I'm not for any sort of smoking, but eating a gummy is about the save as taking a pill. I started playing a lot of Pickleball, lost weight, helped my knees and feet and hands. I'm 75 and a lot of stuff hurts.
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Post by: The Fugitive on March 03, 2022, 04:18:11 PM
A discussion with your doctor couldn't hurt. I know several guys with the same complaint as you, that use some form in an eatable. I'm not for any sort of smoking, but eating a gummy is about the save as taking a pill. I started playing a lot of Pickleball, lost weight, helped my knees and feet and hands. I'm 75 and a lot of stuff hurts.
Oh good, I have to look forward to! :P
My Doctor said to stay away from the topicals, most are just "whooy" <---- medical term. Im going to look into some edibles. Of course the doctor DID suggest I lose some weight and exercise more, but what does he know! LOL!
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Post by: CptTrips on March 03, 2022, 04:35:53 PM
My stance is it should be regulated just like alcohol.
same adult choice, same adult responsibilities.
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Post by: CptTrips on March 03, 2022, 04:45:43 PM
My Doctor said to stay away from the topicals, most are just "whooy" <---- medical term. Im going to look into some edibles. Of course the doctor DID suggest I lose some weight and exercise more, but what does he know! LOL!
If it hasn't already been mentioned, different strains are balanced differently for the main active components CBD/THC.
You might prefer a strain that is optimized for CBD content (helps with inflammation) and minimized THC (the "stoned" part). Though a touch of THC might help as an analgesic.
You might also look into Delta8 products. They are considered a bit milder than cannabis Delta9. Technically, Delta8 is FEDERALLY legal everywhere, ATM. Check our local state laws.
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Post by: nopoop on March 03, 2022, 08:54:16 PM
Smoked for 50 years...And I dont weigh 300lbs.
Go figure
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Post by: Estes on March 03, 2022, 09:07:03 PM
I'm for it, and agree it should be regulated as well. I've never been crazy about edibles, I enjoy rolling up a joint myself.
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Post by: guncrasher on March 03, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
I smoked all thru the 80's, and the last 4 years or so. you could put a gun to my head and still cant roll a joint :bhead.
semp
(Disclaimer I'm not condoning anything I say) I'm a professional I've been doing it so long I can roll one handed while I'm driving down a back road. <allegedly >
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Post by: Eagler on March 04, 2022, 07:11:13 AM
How can the states and federal government be so out of sync on cannabis?
It's just another example of how DC needs a major correction
It's decriminalization followed by its legalization will be the another political move the left will pull over the antiquated right
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on March 04, 2022, 10:02:00 AM
It's decriminalization followed by its legalization will be the another political move the left will pull over the antiquated right
And win over independents for a generation. <*unnamed*> on on the wrong side of history here. I hope they dig in and stay as intransigent as possible. ;)
Alcohol Prohibition ended when the states finally just decided to ignore the law. Fed's don't have enough enforcement to todo it themselves. Eventually the Feds either had to send in troops or change their law to get in sync with the states.
The only logical basis I can see for prohibition is if a substance is physically addictive. By that criteria, Cannabis, Psilocybin, and LSD are scientifically proven to NOT be physically addictive. Alcohol, tobacco, table sugar, and caffeine are. ;)
If you say prohibition can be justified simply because someone thinks it's not good for you, then you have no argument to prevent the outlaw of pizza.
<*unnamed*> don't have to die on this hill. There is a perfectly Conservative argument for adult personal freedom and responsibility that doesn't need government intervention. It's just the authoritarian streak in them that makes them unable to stand it. ;) Like the idea that somewhere someone is having pre-marital sex or...dancing.
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Post by: Volron on March 04, 2022, 05:32:02 PM
Legalize, but treat it just like alcohol.
I've smoke some stuff that took a several hits before started to feel something, others, packed one hell of a wallop after just one hit. When I mean wallop; If any of you got lost in your own house, then you had some good stuff. :rofl
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Post by: Arlo on March 04, 2022, 05:39:16 PM
Sure! :aok
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on March 05, 2022, 06:32:35 AM
I've smoke some stuff that took a several hits before started to feel something, others, packed one hell of a wallop after just one hit. When I mean wallop; If any of you got lost in your own house, then you had some good stuff. :rofl
If you smoked something then got lost in your own house you didn't smoke cannabis...
If it was cannabis it was spiked with something...
I have smoked stems and seeds from the 70's to much more potent stuff both legal and illegally grown ... if it's weed only you may get super paranoid if you over do it but you aren't going to get that messed up..you might/will forget why you walked into a room though lol
I have heard of ppl going crazy smoking the fake synthetic cannabis as who knows whats in it..
Another reason cultivating it for personal use should be legal everywhere
It's a big pharma battle as it would replace many much more harmful but much more profitable drugs
The wife has a medical use license
It's nothing but a way for the state to rape you annually with expensive fees and overcharging you by the gram
Eagler
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Post by: Dichotomy on March 05, 2022, 01:27:35 PM
If it hasn't already been mentioned, different strains are balanced differently for the main active components CBD/THC.
You might prefer a strain that is optimized for CBD content (helps with inflammation) and minimized THC (the "stoned" part). Though a touch of THC might help as an analgesic.
You might also look into Delta8 products. They are considered a bit milder than cannabis Delta9. Technically, Delta8 is FEDERALLY legal everywhere, ATM. Check our local state laws.
A good source for finding out what works for your condition is leafly.com. Just FYI
Very correct sir. I searched high and low for indica and CBD content to help my ex and some friends with medical problems. It worked just fine for them. But every now and then I'd do a run of Sativa dominant stuff. When Texas legalizes I intend to try to grow for dispensaries. I've got the setup that are currently full of garden vegetables to make seedlings for my mom who loves gardening. Seemed silly for me to let her go spend 3 to 5 bucks for a seedling when I can do them just fine with the equipment I have. Probably save her a couple hundred too.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on March 05, 2022, 01:32:13 PM
If you smoked something then got lost in your own house you didn't smoke cannabis...
If it was cannabis it was spiked with something...
I have smoked stems and seeds from the 70's to much more potent stuff both legal and illegally grown ... if it's weed only you may get super paranoid if you over do it but you aren't going to get that messed up..you might/will forget why you walked into a room though lol
I have heard of ppl going crazy smoking the fake synthetic cannabis as who knows whats in it..
Another reason cultivating it for personal use should be legal everywhere
It's a big pharma battle as it would replace many much more harmful but much more profitable drugs
The wife has a medical use license
It's nothing but a way for the state to rape you annually with expensive fees and overcharging you by the gram
Eagler
That's why I put a lot of time, money, and effort, into learning all I could about it bro. I wanted to know exactly what was going into my wifes body. I finely tuned it down to a purely organic set up and it was clean weed. Every now and then I'd give a nug to a buddy and they universally said it was better than the 'dispensary' stuff they got. That was a good feeling knowing I was producing top end stuff. I would LOVE for TX to legalize and let me grow top end stuff to sell to a local dispensary as a 'special' to their clients. I wouldn't mind paying the taxes etc. I just enjoy growing things. It's a very nice, relaxing, passive, thing to do.
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Post by: CptTrips on March 05, 2022, 01:57:26 PM
I can't imagine the Republic of Baptistan ever legalizing.
They'd outlaw dancing if it weren't for the two-step.
I give it 5 years. I live around a bunch of folks in their 70's and 80's that are all hard core Trump humpers. The smell here sometimes gets so thick I can taste it on my tongue. Hell even my 77 year old, hyper Christian mother, is always on me about when I'm going to make more butter so she can have her cookies.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 05, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
I give it 5 years. I live around a bunch of folks in their 70's and 80's that are all hard core Trump humpers. The smell here sometimes gets so thick I can taste it on my tongue. Hell even my 77 year old, hyper Christian mother, is always on me about when I'm going to make more butter so she can have her cookies.
So you want to grow it and sell it to people that you have a personal grudge against.
I see :O
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 05, 2022, 07:10:54 PM
And win over independents for a generation. <*unnamed*> on on the wrong side of history here. I hope they dig in and stay as intransigent as possible. ;)
Alcohol Prohibition ended when the states finally just decided to ignore the law. Fed's don't have enough enforcement to todo it themselves. Eventually the Feds either had to send in troops or change their law to get in sync with the states.
The only logical basis I can see for prohibition is if a substance is physically addictive. By that criteria, Cannabis, Psilocybin, and LSD are scientifically proven to NOT be physically addictive. Alcohol, tobacco, table sugar, and caffeine are. ;)
If you say prohibition can be justified simply because someone thinks it's not good for you, then you have no argument to prevent the outlaw of pizza.
<*unnamed*> don't have to die on this hill. There is a perfectly Conservative argument for adult personal freedom and responsibility that doesn't need government intervention. It's just the authoritarian streak in them that makes them unable to stand it. ;) Like the idea that somewhere someone is having pre-marital sex or...dancing.
Physical addiction is nothing compared to a psychological addiction IF quitting is gone about correctly. In a medical setting physical addiction and withdrawals are usually remedied in a week or less. Psychological aspect of addiction(s) takes most years or much longer to overcome.
Sadly uniformed and sorely misguided.
Disagree? Plenty of literature out there by addictionologists to read…
Btw there’s also quite a bit of research that shows chronic long term use of (smoking, edibles too new) THC is not healthy for the cardiovascular system.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on March 05, 2022, 08:34:03 PM
I'll make that choice for myself. Or maybe we should outlaw those too.
don't forget water you drink too much it will kill you. and I'm not talking drowning.
I'm allergic to tomatoes and possibly citrus fruit. mostly makes me itch but if I eat too much it gives me a rash for a day or so. not sure how much is too much, but also enjoy them so i won't stop eating them in moderation.
I'm also bipolar used to take lithium but it's hard on my liver. smoking weed a few times a day actually helped me get off medication. also helps me with pain on my back. I won't take pain killers already went to detox once from them when I had my first back injury.
point is know your limits and if you take weed as medication then talk to the shop and let them know for what reason. if you want to get high just be careful and responsible. your choice.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on March 05, 2022, 09:38:13 PM
point is know your limits and if you take weed as medication then talk to the shop and let them know for what reason. if you want to get high just be careful and responsible. your choice.
Same with scotch or skydiving.
Adult choice, adult responsibility.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Arlo on March 05, 2022, 09:45:40 PM
You need to actually meet the people you denigrate and despise. :rolleyes:
I know plenty of conservatives that use THC products and have for several decades.
Your hatred and disdain for conservatives and “Republicans” is disgusting, you’ve certainly proven that in dozens of threads.
I don't mind conservatives ... if they aren't extremists or cult members. Guess that holds true for any word that replaces 'conservative.' AAMOF, I remember a time when the very concept of conservative was very much anti-extremist and it would have boggled my mind to imagine something like a far right extremist. Disgusting is that having become a reality.
I think the thread is crossing a line, though.
Lets just say I think states which will let bars serve you alcohol to the point of damned near blindness that take a firm stance against marijuana are hypocritically stupid.
:)
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 06, 2022, 01:37:53 AM
I'll make that choice for myself. Or maybe we should outlaw those too.
I didn’t say to outlaw anything. Your preconceived notions, prejudices and assumptions are in full bloom in this thread.
The cancel culture and boycotting anything remotely offensive to anybody is/was not started nor perpetuated by those on the right…e.g. Bloomberg straws and size of soda containers.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on March 06, 2022, 03:05:00 AM
I didn’t say to outlaw anything. Your preconceived notions, prejudices and assumptions are in full bloom in this thread.
The cancel culture and boycotting anything remotely offensive to anybody is/was not started nor perpetuated by those on the right…e.g. Bloomberg straws and size of soda containers.
oh yeah the cancel culture we never had it before, we used to call it boycott or ignore you. but cancel culture sounds so much kool
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 06, 2022, 04:27:16 AM
You’ve said in the past week you only smoke weed a few times a week to a few times a day. Which is it?
actually it's a week. and always right before I go to sleep. can't afford to smoke a few times a day nor do I want to. I need spinal fusion surgery on l4 and l5. hard for me to get out of bed. that's why I smoke it at night.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 06, 2022, 03:48:10 PM
actually it's a week. and always right before I go to sleep. can't afford to smoke a few times a day nor do I want to. I need spinal fusion surgery on l4 and l5. hard for me to get out of bed. that's why I smoke it at night.
semp
On 200 you said a few times a week. Your last post in this thread yesterday said a few a day.
I don’t care when you do, if you do or if you do not, only trying to understand you correctly.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on March 06, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
So you want to grow it and sell it to people that you have a personal grudge against.
I see :O
No I want to give it to people that I know and care about very deeply that have a litany of health problems instead of them trying to figure out a way to score their own. I've seen first hand the benefit it has for people with everything from crohns, insomnia, IBS, and even Parkinsons.
When I was growing it for my ex I made damn sure it was all organic, that the water was pure enough, etc. A lot of work but for her to be able to have a somewhat normal life with her crohns made it worth it. It also really helped my mother that has macular degeneration in her eyes. Feed her a 'cookie' and she could see normal for about 24 hours and sleep all night. I honestly don't mind taking risks for people I love. You old school guys that know me know that. That said I'm about to plant 16 different varieties of veggies, flowers, and spices, in one of my old grow tents this week to get them ready for my moms outdoor garden. Pack of seeds $2.00. Seedling at the nursery? $5.00. Might as well use this toejam I've set up to get something out of it LOL. Probably give some seedlings to my neighbors too. I've got 144 holes to fill to get the best 'girls' out of the seedling tray
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: FLOOB on March 06, 2022, 09:15:53 PM
One shouldn’t smoke anything. Pot tar is chock full of carcinogens. Some scientific studies indicate pot smoke prevents cancer.. yeah right, and VW said the air coming out of VW exhaust is cleaner than it went in.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: LCADolby on March 07, 2022, 02:20:05 AM
It should be and should have always been legal. It's no worse than smoking tobacco (healthier and less addictive infact) and much less of a public nuisance than people on liquor/alcohol, and we allow that. :old
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on March 08, 2022, 06:22:39 PM
It should be and should have always been legal. It's no worse than smoking tobacco (healthier and less addictive infact) and much less of a public nuisance than people on liquor/alcohol, and we allow that. :old
I totally agree. I don't use it. I just never liked the effect it had on me. But I'm a staunch supporter of it being legal.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Shuffler on March 10, 2022, 05:07:23 PM
It should be and should have always been legal. It's no worse than smoking tobacco (healthier and less addictive infact) and much less of a public nuisance than people on liquor/alcohol, and we allow that. :old
Well it may seem like it has been less of a public nuisance... questionable. If it was not illegal, it probably would be much more so.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: potsNpans on March 13, 2022, 02:36:02 PM
Legalize it all you want, just don't come back to squeeze out tax payer dollars/subsidize your health care, legal defense, or living wage because of recreational misuse.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on March 13, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
Legalize it all you want, just don't come back to squeeze out tax payer dollars/subsidize your health care, legal defense, or living wage because of recreational misuse.
Same for alcohol, tobacco, fast food……. Right?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2022, 05:37:56 PM
Or sky diving, or riding a motorcycle without a helmet (legal in Texas), firearm ownership (how many accidents a year? Yes I am a gun owner). Or just sitting on your butt getting no exercises watching Fox News all day. How many health issues does TV cause?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on March 13, 2022, 06:47:31 PM
Cocaine and meth were once legal in the US too and even prescribed.
And alcohol used to be illegal (for a time) until they realized how stupid and counter productive that was, and only enriched gangsters, all for the purpose of telling grown adults what is best for them.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on March 13, 2022, 11:14:04 PM
I believe it's not technically legal but tolerated in the Netherlands where I live (that's near Amsterdam). To my observations most people try it, especially when young. Most go meh and don't bother with it again. Some working folk walk home smoking the 'erb on a Friday evening as you would have a beer.
There's not so much crime / violence associated with it since you can walk into a 'coffee shop' and buy whetever you like from all over the world, pre-rolled and neatly packaged. I took a British friend once. I had to reach out and close his jaw for him.
Once a fellow came up to me in Amsterdam and asked: "Charlie?" I nearly corrected him with my actual name before I realised what he meant. Funny old world.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 21, 2022, 09:30:24 AM
Holland is as useless as Ireland
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on March 21, 2022, 11:18:52 PM
Tomatoes. It's where most of Europe's tomatoes are produced. Fly over the West at night and there are acres of what look like greenhouses. All arranged orthoganally. I couldn't get any sunflower oil yesterday because it's produced in the Ukraine. My Grandma used to grow her own Ukranians in her greenhouse. Or was it Leaks? Always get those mixed up.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 23, 2022, 03:09:32 AM
Man, naturally the gentlest class of being, is not ashamed to revel in the blood of others, to wage war, and to entrust the waging of war to his sons, when even dumb and wild beasts keep the peace with one another. - LAS
What gibberish is this!
Are you a commie!!!!!!!!
Your in league with the nasty Russians !
Or is it North Korea, Syria or South American
May be the US brethren know? :rofl
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on March 23, 2022, 05:12:03 AM
If you had any tact and/or ability to control your disdain you could have said that was debunked that Fauci and NIAID did not fund those experiments. Courtesy I’m positive you’d extend to those who agree with your persuasion.
Per Washington Post: ‘The false claim about the funding for the beagle study, research that was conducted in Tunisia, originated with an error by scientists. Initially, the researchers mistakenly listed NIAID as a funder when they published a paper in a scientific journal in late July. The journal issued a correction Oct. 26, when the agency flagged the mistake to the researchers amid the deluge of angry phone calls.‘ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/
When I read about this experiment it wasn’t debunked and since I have a life caring for patients I didn’t follow it. I hadn’t thought about it in quite a long time as numerous things have helped remove him from our headlines.
I stand corrected and thank you for that.
You, however remain loathsome and bitter.
I believe you have written that you sit at home all day basically doing nothing everyday, is that correct?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on March 27, 2022, 02:51:38 AM
This is one of the few funny / entertaining threads there's been since I've popped back in. Could we please not get it locked by another contentious and unresolvable exchange?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 27, 2022, 03:39:08 AM
Shida has the full collections of Taylor Swift records.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on March 27, 2022, 03:41:44 AM
This is a well known and oft lamented fact of AH lore. I don't shy away from the title.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Robbler on March 28, 2022, 09:04:45 PM
I've been smoking Delta 8 buds from Fern Valley Farms. an Oz of the smalls is $45.00 and delta 8 doesn't make me paranoid or cause me to start re-evaluating my entire life. It just relaxes me and helps my tendinitis.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 29, 2022, 01:32:58 AM
Are you fat and have a beard and a banjo?
Shida has a washboard and off white y fronts he bought of Al Pacino in 1984 :old:
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on March 29, 2022, 02:12:55 AM
I've been smoking Delta 8 buds from Fern Valley Farms. an Oz of the smalls is $45.00 and delta 8 doesn't make me paranoid or cause me to start re-evaluating my entire life. It just relaxes me and helps my tendinitis.
Delta 8 is pretty good. Surprised that is legal but regular flower is not for most states. I don't really get it. Can't do it too much though or your tolerance will be too high and you will not feel the effects that much, like edibles. Only do it like once every 2 weeks or so.
It's really only Sativa that gives you the paranoid feel. It's known as the "artistic" or "thinker" type of feeling, but in a crowded area or not In a good place, can make you over think, and thus get paranoid.
The indica is better for sleep, healing, and relaxation. That is what Delta8 is, I believe.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Robbler on March 29, 2022, 09:22:43 AM
Delta 8 is derived from industrial hemp. It is also present in normal marijuana but at very low levels. Right now companies are extracting it from their supplies of industrial hemp. The place I purchase from then freezes the delta 8 and creates a powder from it which they then dust onto the trimmed flower. The result is something that is pretty much indistinguishable from normal marijuana but with a slightly milder buzz. The kind I purchased also had CBD and something called CBDv which I believe is an anti-inflammatory. Not all delta 8 products are the same! Some companies create an oil which they then either spray or dip the flower into. This spraying/dipping process creates a product that is not nearly as nice and looks and smells different. At Fern Valley, there are both Sativa and Indica varieties of the product and there are various terpenes present in each which also enhance the effect and/or smell. Below is the website I use, their delivery is fast and the products are amazing. https://fernvalleyfarms.com/
This is one of the products I buy. The smalls are less expensive than normal-sized buds and the benefits are the same.
Delta 8 is derived from industrial hemp. It is also present in normal marijuana but at very low levels. Right now companies are extracting it from their supplies of industrial hemp. The place I purchase from then freezes the delta 8 and creates a powder from it which they then dust onto the trimmed flower. The result is something that is pretty much indistinguishable from normal marijuana but with a slightly milder buzz. The kind I purchased also had CBD and something called CBDv which I believe is an anti-inflammatory. Not all delta 8 products are the same! Some companies create an oil which they then either spray or dip the flower into. This spraying/dipping process creates a product that is not nearly as nice and looks and smells different. At Fern Valley, there are both Sativa and Indica varieties of the product and there are various terpenes present in each which also enhance the effect and/or smell. Below is the website I use, their delivery is fast and the products are amazing. https://fernvalleyfarms.com/
This is one of the products I buy. The smalls are less expensive than normal-sized buds and the benefits are the same.
To each their own. I'd not recommend the hemp flower. No point in breathing the burnt plant matter. Go vape pen or dabbing rig with concentrate.
Or better yet, I just recommend the tinctures so there is no smoke in your lungs at all. You just need to plan ahead a little better as it might take an hour to kick in.
3Chi is a vendor I have had good luck with. It is currently legal federally. Check your local laws.
NOTE: It will almost certain trigger a run of the mill drug test. Then you'll have to fight to get them to do a more expensive test to prove it isn't D9. FYI.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Robbler on March 29, 2022, 06:38:03 PM
I use a water pipe with a percolator and I don't mind the flower. I live in the Ohio Valley and I am pretty sure that the water and air around here is way more dangerous than hemp smoke. I prefer old school. and you are correct, d8 can trigger a drug test but since I am disabled and living on a government check, I don't have to worry about that. <S>
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: sparky127 on March 31, 2022, 07:17:18 AM
What anyone does on their time is no one's business. It's far less dangerous than alcohol.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 31, 2022, 07:34:22 AM
Whats up with you ?
Making the masses bone idle and lazy morons?
No wonder China laughs at you and takes your jobs paid for by Wall Street
Getting shot in the head with a Berreta is not as bad as getting shot in the head with a shotgun.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: sparky127 on March 31, 2022, 07:40:22 AM
There's that... Or.. You could mind your own business.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on March 31, 2022, 09:59:44 AM
"Free soma and free vr metaverse headsets in every home" will be a slogan in a not to distant election and they will win 😀
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on March 31, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
There's that... Or.. You could mind your own business.
Peddle your drug excuses elsewhere
When we were kids scum did weed now it’s normal
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: sparky127 on March 31, 2022, 12:57:09 PM
I use neither drugs not alcohol, but I know many who use both. Alcohol is by far the more destructive of the two. What a person does on their time is none of your business.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Shuffler on March 31, 2022, 04:18:01 PM
I use neither drugs not alcohol, but I know many who use both. Alcohol is by far the more destructive of the two. What a person does on their time is none of your business.
I don't see how you get that. Alcohol has been legal a long time. While it is surely not pristine with the different folks who drink, pot has not been legal and already caused a lot of issues. Not even taking into consideration it is a gateway drug.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: sparky127 on March 31, 2022, 05:29:11 PM
They told you it was a gateway drug. The fact of the matter is that some people are predisposed to addiction. Whatever act or substance they begin their journey on has little to do with where they end up. Arbitrary laws have nothing to do with how harmful an action or substance is. You would be AMAZED by the actual successful people who use marijuana on a regular basis. Finally, and most importantly... mind your own business.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on March 31, 2022, 06:07:59 PM
I don't see how you get that. Alcohol has been legal a long time. While it is surely not pristine with the different folks who drink, pot has not been legal and already caused a lot of issues. Not even taking into consideration it is a gateway drug.
Educate yourself, you've been lied to.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on March 31, 2022, 07:09:09 PM
I don't see how you get that. Alcohol has been legal a long time. While it is surely not pristine with the different folks who drink, pot has not been legal and already caused a lot of issues. Not even taking into consideration it is a gateway drug.
in the 80's alcohol was my gateway to pot and diet coke. never went past that.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on March 31, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
I use neither drugs not alcohol, but I know many who use both. Alcohol is by far the more destructive of the two. What a person does on their time is none of your business.
Scum robbing from normal working people is my business
If you want to be a degenerate is none of my business when it affects me it is.
Why are you pro drugs whats your scene?
You people complain why things are going down the toilet and then advocate being a degenerate
California fine example of your degenerate world view
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2022, 03:01:27 AM
Pot, peyote, Lsd, mescaline, cocain, speed. Dabbled in it all.
Now ? Soft drinks..and an ocasional cigarette
i call it diet coke because it was mostly 40% coke. now kids get exited when it's 10% sugar.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 01, 2022, 07:00:47 AM
Alcohol is far worse and dangerous than MJ. There is no question about it. Alcohol is the gateway drug. Alcohol gives you the "don't care just do it" mentality. Alcoholism leads to far worse diseases. People become abusive on Alcohol. Alcohol makes you more sexually active to strangers. You can over dose on Alcohol, not MJ. Alcohol is addictive to the point of withdrawals and pain if you stop, MJ is not. Even cigarettes are far worse than MJ on a health perspective. I think there are just so many false perspectives about MJ.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 01, 2022, 07:47:20 AM
Beer comes 1st for most...actually its cigarettes
It's only a gateway if you let it be
Some people should not take cough medicine as they will become addicted
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Shuffler on April 01, 2022, 12:25:50 PM
Alcohol is far worse and dangerous than MJ. There is no question about it. Alcohol is the gateway drug. Alcohol gives you the "don't care just do it" mentality. Alcoholism leads to far worse diseases. People become abusive on Alcohol. Alcohol makes you more sexually active to strangers. You can over dose on Alcohol, not MJ. Alcohol is addictive to the point of withdrawals and pain if you stop, MJ is not. Even cigarettes are far worse than MJ on a health perspective. I think there are just so many false perspectives about MJ.
mj is as just as bad in terms of smoking. while it also does some good. but it's just as bad on your lungs.
anyway there's an old saying if you suddenly stop heroin, you only wish you were dead. quit alcohol without proper medical supervision and you will actually die.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on April 04, 2022, 07:52:40 AM
As bad as tobacco? Studies have shown otherwise, so far.
i checked the American lung association or whatever is called. problem with weed is you inhale deeper and hold it longer.
I also smoke cigarettes and I always cough with weed. I can't vape or smoke wax, they give me an asthma attack, I don't have asthma, well not yet.
I'm pro weed, if thats what you want, but I've checked facts. lots of wrong info outthere. from it cures cancer, it doesn't, to it's not as bad as cigarettes. it does a lot of help for lots of conditions. for me, I'm off bipolar medication and it helps with pain on my legs and back. but I know the risks and how it may affect my lungs.
and yeah, I should really quit smoking.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on April 04, 2022, 06:47:45 PM
Not disputing that inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for you. Just your claim that smoking cannabis is just as bad as tobacco.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on April 04, 2022, 07:44:59 PM
i checked the American lung association or whatever is called. problem with weed is you inhale deeper and hold it longer.
I also smoke cigarettes and I always cough with weed. I can't vape or smoke wax, they give me an asthma attack, I don't have asthma, well not yet.
I'm pro weed, if thats what you want, but I've checked facts. lots of wrong info outthere. from it cures cancer, it doesn't, to it's not as bad as cigarettes. it does a lot of help for lots of conditions. for me, I'm off bipolar medication and it helps with pain on my legs and back. but I know the risks and how it may affect my lungs.
and yeah, I should really quit smoking.
semp
have you considered edibles? Believe it or not my 77 year old mom loves her 'special' cookies
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on April 04, 2022, 07:58:57 PM
Not disputing that inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for you. Just your claim that smoking cannabis is just as bad as tobacco.
it's a plant full of all kinds of chemicals not just thc. maybe it's not as bad or it could be worst. some studies have shown that thc perhaps helps counteract (is that the right word?) the cancer causing chemicals but studies so far have been inconclusive and some contradict each other.
same for the study i found where it says it kills cancer but that has only been done on rats and dont really remember what type of cancer. but it sure as hell helps some people with cancer and other diseases. the more we know the better.
I dont know how it helps me with bipolar but it does. then again when I was taking lithium nobody knows exactly how it helped me, I couldnt take any anti-depressants because I am one of those people that get suicidal taking it, and by suicidal i mean it really is an obsession. but lithium was affecting my liver, so I remember back in the 80's when I smoked weed, my life got better, so I asked my doctor about it. all he said what do you have to lose, just be careful. havent taken lithium since then. truth is there's a lot of unknowns when it comes to drugs, some people get paranoid, i dont get paranoid. I mostly take it at night right before I got to sleep. not to help me sleep but more to help me in the morning as that's when my back comes into play when I wake up.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on April 04, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
You wouldn't feel a brownie 2 or 3 times a week due to tolerance. You really have to do edibles once every 2 weeks to actually feel something.
yeah but brownies around here cost 10 to 20 bucks or more. I dont take them for the effect of getting high. for around 40 bucks I can buy weed that will last me a month sometimes longer. I dont really eat sugar at all, if I can avoid it. it makes me nauseous. but brownies with thc cancel each other and I really miss sweets, that's why I'll eat a 300 brownie in one sitting.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Dichotomy on April 05, 2022, 07:07:38 AM
Just an aside here. As I said in my original post I used to grow it for my ex and a couple of neighbors around me with medical issues. If you're interested in producing your own just shoot me a DM. I have an equipment list etc on a g drive link. I can also point out land mines I've stepped on that you can avoid. It's not cheap getting started. You're talking easily 1k for equipment, nutrients, soil, seeds, etc. That said when you're pumping out 5 to 15 ozs a month for what goes for $325 an ounce locally it's really a no brainer if you want to grow your own 'medicine'
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on April 05, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
it's a plant full of all kinds of chemicals not just thc. maybe it's not as bad or it could be worst. some studies have shown that thc perhaps helps counteract (is that the right word?) the cancer causing chemicals but studies so far have been inconclusive and some contradict each other.
same for the study i found where it says it kills cancer but that has only been done on rats and dont really remember what type of cancer. but it sure as hell helps some people with cancer and other diseases. the more we know the better.
I dont know how it helps me with bipolar but it does. then again when I was taking lithium nobody knows exactly how it helped me, I couldnt take any anti-depressants because I am one of those people that get suicidal taking it, and by suicidal i mean it really is an obsession. but lithium was affecting my liver, so I remember back in the 80's when I smoked weed, my life got better, so I asked my doctor about it. all he said what do you have to lose, just be careful. havent taken lithium since then. truth is there's a lot of unknowns when it comes to drugs, some people get paranoid, i dont get paranoid. I mostly take it at night right before I got to sleep. not to help me sleep but more to help me in the morning as that's when my back comes into play when I wake up.
semp
Cool, glad it helps ya. Can always try making your own edibles too. Few ways to do it. I make an extract using Everclear(190 proof grain alcohol), water bath in crockpot to evaporate the alcohol and then left with oil. Melt some chocolate wafers, add the oil and mold the candies. I do enjoy smoking joints(not so much in the winter) but find the edibles are much better when using it for sleep issues due to the duration.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 06, 2022, 02:31:40 AM
You people are degenerates :rofl
Complaining about the Russians Chinese etc :rofl
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 06, 2022, 05:25:44 AM
Funny that earlier in the thread it was said that until the old guard dinosaur Republicans don’t have the power to stop Federal legalization it won’t happen.
Well, the law making branches and Executive are squarely in the legalize corner and yet there’s nearly ZERO mention of even an attempt. So what’s the deal? :headscratch:
Your best shot is now, right?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on April 06, 2022, 07:14:45 AM
Well, the law making branches and Executive are squarely in the legalize corner and yet there’s nearly ZERO mention of even an attempt. So what’s the deal? :headscratch:
The deal is, which seems to be a frequent occurrence with you, you comment with lack of knowledge. The More Act was just passed in the House a couple days ago, voting was solidly down party lines, and is now off to the Senate. Likely to fail there due to the Republican senators.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Shuffler on April 06, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
Many are talking about its medicinal use, isn't it legal medicinally now? I have no idea since I never needed it.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: TheBug on April 06, 2022, 09:04:02 AM
Many are talking about its medicinal use, isn't it legal medicinally now? I have no idea since I never needed it.
No not federally. It is still listed as a schedule 1 drug. About a dozens states also haven't made it legal medicinally.
"Schedule I
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote."
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2022, 09:06:13 AM
Medical is a state run scam
You pay $100's every 6 months for a license - the ability to purchase your medicine at inflated prices that no medical insurance will cover...
Anyone who consumes alcohol or is ok with that, has no leg to stand on against legislation for legalization of this weed...Republicans are hypocrites when it comes to cannabis
A perfect life should be drug free...haven't seen many of those
The war on drugs seems to be like most wars...fought endlessly for profit IMO
Treatment for abuse would be the better investment
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 06, 2022, 10:53:29 AM
Treatment for abuse?
Why?
If your a drug addict you deserve nothing.
If your a fat obese glutton who eats 20 Big Macs a day you deserve no sympathy.
Todays Western culture is based on excuses.
There is to much money to be made to stop it.
Each drug addict is allocated $100k to solve the problem in the US…FACT
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 06, 2022, 01:22:10 PM
It all goes back to the monkey mind...drug or food abuse
Just like everyone who eats is not addicted to food and obese nor is everyone who drinks or consumes cannabis addicted to them "drug addict"
Did you have a problem with those yourself Zach?
Sounds like you or someone you know might have...
Like most it goes to the strength of their minds and the control or lack of it
Cannabis is the least of the world's problems today IMO
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on April 06, 2022, 03:04:15 PM
The deal is, which seems to be a frequent occurrence with you, you comment with lack of knowledge. The More Act was just passed in the House a couple days ago, voting was solidly down party lines, and is now off to the Senate. Likely to fail there due to the Republican senators.
Correct, I was unaware of it (I get news from many sources, quite surprised since in my household MSM news I have to put up with). The Bill (“Act”) passed with a vote of 220-204, that’s not overwhelming support and IMO not a very good show for the Senate on an issue of legalizing a mind altering chemical for recreational aka “fun” use. We shall see, but I’d be surprised if there’s many Senators beating the drum for this one and Schumer has his own, which only a few others I can find wanting to even speak publicly about his Bill.
“The U.S. House of Representatives passed the MORE Act, a bill that would end the federal prohibition on cannabis by removing it from the list of banned controlled substances. This is the second time the bill passed the House; however, it will face strong headwinds in the Senate.” - Forbes
Frequent occurrence? Examples please, since you say frequent I made it plural.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 07, 2022, 01:18:30 AM
Only problem I have is liberals and degenerates
Always excuses for everything
And you people gibber on about Russia China Syria and the rest.
If you drink 3 bottles of gin a day your a clown.
If you do drugs for kicks when your over 25 your a clown
If your fat it’s your own fault keep your teeth together
Is the Ukraine thing finished yet?
The Russians have lost? You clowns
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 07, 2022, 01:57:22 AM
‘Likely to fail there due to the Republican senators.’
Also, not sure how you figure this, seems maybe you lack the knowledge the D’s have the tie breaker and the two I’s caucus with them…not to mention the two (one in ME and one in AK) that are swingers in states where it’s legal.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Spikes on April 07, 2022, 07:25:26 AM
Also, not sure how you figure this, seems maybe you lack the knowledge the D’s have the tie breaker and the two I’s caucus with them…not to mention the two (one in ME and one in AK) that are swingers in states where it’s legal.
Seems you lack the knowledge of two senators, one from your own state, who are DINO.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 07, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
Current potus is not for this bill. He's old school anti legalization. Note how they didnt change the law in 2008 or 2012 when they had power. He just wants to "decriminalize" it. Which is just another term to allow unregulated drug dealers to continue on in the black market with lesser punishment. It's not working in Portland with Herion and Meth. Only making the problem worse, because those really are dangerous drugs. I believe there is some powerful lobby whether it be big tobacco, or something, that is preventing them from passing it. This is one issue I'm very much against Republicans on, but current potus is in their same boat when it comes to passing the bill.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: CptTrips on April 07, 2022, 09:53:22 AM
I try and forgive most people for their ignorant views on cannabis. They have been lied to for 80 years with a relentless, shameless, and highly funded propaganda campaign. For those who have not experience cannabis use, why wouldn't they believe the propaganda they've had shoved down their throats their whole lives by those in authority.
The largest financial contributors to groups opposing cannabis legalization are:
By a long-shot...
1. Big Pharma 2. Big Tabaco
followed closely by...
3. Various "Sherriff's Associations" from around the country 4. The private for-profit prison industry
I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate their motivations.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 07, 2022, 11:20:46 AM
If a subject is riddled with a racist agenda it was the illegalization of cannabis as has been the imprisonment of minorities on minor drug charges
I served on a jury that sentenced a young black man to state prison for under 1/4 pound..less than 3 ounces of crap Mexican seeds and stems..
Never again...I will excuse myself from such backwards prosecution in the future
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: knorB on April 07, 2022, 01:23:27 PM
I try and forgive most people for their ignorant views on cannabis. They have been lied to for 80 years with a relentless, shameless, and highly funded propaganda campaign. For those who have not experience cannabis use, why wouldn't they believe the propaganda they've had shoved down their throats their whole lives by those in authority.
The largest financial contributors to groups opposing cannabis legalization are:
By a long-shot...
1. Big Pharma vaxx anyone? 2. Big Tabaco what youre against school funding?
followed closely by...
3. Various "Sherriff's Associations" from around the country you mean the only ones who should have guns 4. The private for-profit prison industry ... thats the governments job to keep the people down damn it
I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate their motivations.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 07, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
ok, but you still are oblivious to the fact that they are DINO. Or you are admitting to it, not entirely sure.
Curious how you arrive at that.
KS and MK record 97.7% Biden score.
Prior to JB, KS: ‘Many of KS defections have been votes to confirm DJT’s nominees to the executive branch and to federal courts, votes that have pleased some of her centrist backers while outraging some of her progressive constituents.’ - AZMirror
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on April 07, 2022, 09:43:24 PM
ok, but you still are oblivious to the fact that they are DINO. Or you are admitting to it, not entirely sure.
no such thing as dino or rino. since neither party can agree on what to order for dinner in their own caucus. I am a registered democrat, vote for whoever I think is best. I guess you can call me independent or like once one of the guys called me a leftist conservative, now I like that.
my high school history teacher once told us, deals arent made in congress, they're made over drinks, I'll support your stupid law if you support my stupid law. we all laughed but that is the truth.
semp
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 08, 2022, 05:54:14 AM
If your a Weed user over 25 your a degenerate…fact
If you use it for medical usage fair enough.
Drug addled morons lecturing others on drug usage is the benchmark of Western culture in the 21st century
Don’t have any standards or rules do what you want see where that gets you.
The fatty and alcoholic having a point of view? 60 years ago a Steel worker would have give you a slap and kick up the bellybutton for it,
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 08, 2022, 06:35:54 AM
No one wants a kick up the bellybutton from a steelworker...not sure that's legal in all states here lol
Sounds like one of your typical Friday nights though :)
Eagler
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 08, 2022, 08:42:53 PM
Be lucky to find many steelworkers in the US to give a whooping anymore.
Looks like they’d have to come from Canada, Mexico or Brazil.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 10, 2022, 06:09:43 AM
You have men in the US who do weed and cannot change a spark plug or use a screw driver.
They pay other men to fix things for them because they have emotions and bleach their bot holes.
Fact
No shame at all about anything.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 10, 2022, 07:12:44 AM
Pretty sure Great Britain has it's share of feminized males running around in high water skinny jeans....guess if you live long enough you will see everything lol
Somehow you seem to have intimate knowledge of their habits... :)
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 10, 2022, 09:26:12 AM
Disgust is the word you mean
Beating their chests about the Ukraine and eating tofu.
Buying a £34k motor cycle and thinking it’s somehow a show of their prowess.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 13, 2022, 01:36:27 AM
Oregan has legalised Herorin and Chrystal meth for personal use :)
Your screwed :rofl
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: guncrasher on April 13, 2022, 01:43:31 AM
Oregan has legalised Herorin and Chrystal meth for personal use :)
Your screwed :rofl
it's not oregan is oregano and it makes some tasty addition to some foods.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 13, 2022, 08:03:51 AM
Your still screwed :rofl
This is what you get when degenerates are allowed a point of view
The hilarious thing is you people know what’s happening.
So smoke your drugs and do as you please.
China is laughing at you :) fact
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Arlo on April 13, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
'You're.' And don't beat yourself up over your over the top point of view. :D
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 13, 2022, 08:28:14 AM
Screwed
And still in denile :rofl
Always some one else’s fault.
The Ukraine :rofl
You people
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2022, 09:06:01 AM
Trust me when I tell you that meth and heroin are false worse than MJ and even Alcohol. It should not be legal. People should not be sent to prison for it though, unless hard-core gang members selling huge quantities. My buddy went to prison for pain pills at the age of 17. Came out a certified gang member. It didn't help him at all. He became a drug mule for them and eventually got caught with more drugs that put him in prison for 5 years. What a waste. He was a decent middle class kid in the subs of Atlanta. These people need to be put on a farm to live and pick fruit to make money until they can get off the addiction, save enough money to move to an apartment, and get a job thru organizations working with the farm. There would be doctors to weed them off the addiction (pun intended ;) That is the only way. They should not be treated the same and thieves, gangsters, and abusers.
Meth and heroin put people on the streets because of how addicting and expensive it is. Not only that but the physical abuse it has on your body is nasty. I've seen straight up zombies in Portland. It wasn't the weed.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: morfiend on April 13, 2022, 12:44:23 PM
A hundred years ago drugs were legal,see my avatar. Then the puritans took over and made the illegal. It was done for several reasons.
Personally I’m for harm reduction, I would go so far as to say the addicts should be give pharmacutical drugs and a safe place to use them. Before anyone gets the wrong idea I have my reasons.It would be cheaper in the long run,addicts wouldn’t have to kick in my door and take my tv to support their habit and we wouldn’t have to spend 30k plus to pick up every OD off the streets.
We already have legal drugs so what difference would adding a few more to the list?
The main reason they are illegal is the money…. Always follow the money.
:salute
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 14, 2022, 12:30:28 AM
refusing to see the degenerate view point
Drugs were legal 100 years ago and look at the mess they caused
Opium wars?
Morphine addiction.
The US drug problem is destroying working class society.
You people have a view point on the Ukraine and you advocate drug usage .
China executes drug dealers… guilty then out the back of the court bang bang fire squad.
China the enemy :rofl
You people advocate destroying yourselves because you cannot control yourselves :rofl
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on April 14, 2022, 12:48:18 AM
The only purpose ethics seem to serve presently is to disadvantage those who hold them.
The Chinese don’t want the West killing its people….fact
Well people are a resource after all, to be exploited and worked.
Apparently in Hebei province it's quite common to have a cigarette to seal a business agreement with the expression (something like): at least we'll have some filtered air. :old:
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2022, 09:02:50 AM
What would we do without the zacks telling us how to live our lives
Maybe we will all be as perfect as he in our next incarnation lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 14, 2022, 10:30:57 AM
Colonials get emotional when they don’t get the answer they want.
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
Drug abuse is not a foundation for a stable society.
Putin man bad Orange man bad Korean man bad The Ukraine :rofl
The Russians won :rofl
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: morfiend on April 14, 2022, 10:55:21 AM
Drugs were legal 100 years ago and look at the mess they caused
Opium wars?
Morphine addiction.
The US drug problem is destroying working class society.
You people have a view point on the Ukraine and you advocate drug usage .
China executes drug dealers… guilty then out the back of the court bang bang fire squad.
China the enemy :rofl
You people advocate destroying yourselves because you cannot control yourselves :rofl
Tell us how you really feel!
I have to ask if they made heroin legal tomorrow would you be unable to resist the urge and go out and buy some? If not then why do you care what others do? I know I wouldnt use the stuff so it would have little to no effect on me except to save some tax dollars that could be used for better things.
Do you know what it cost to pick up an old off the street? That’s coin from your pocket.
I’m for harm reduction safe legal drugs would reduce od’s help with the spread of hep c and aids and would be much cheaper than the so called war on drugs.
I bet you enjoy a drink now and then,what’s the difference,ya your choice is legal.
<S>
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2022, 11:01:36 AM
it really sucks that our young people are getting high and playing with their phones. you know the difference between a Chinese soldier and an American? we volunteer.
semp
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: Puma44 on April 14, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
Our 20-somethings is are getting high and playing with their cell phones what are the Chinese doing?
Preparing to mine and burn coal in vast quantities, breathing in pollution, drinking polluted water, smoking and preparing for a (short) lifetime of manufacturing products for the rest of the world while living under an oppressive disctatorship (with its own agenda) occasionally interspersed by varied local cultural events like the Yulin let's-boil-live-dogs-to-death-because-the-meat-of-distressed-animals-tastes-better festival. So nothing admirable, basically.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2022, 03:23:23 AM
it really sucks that our young people are getting high and playing with their phones. you know the difference between a Chinese soldier and an American? we volunteer.
semp
And the last time the US fought them it wasn’t a victory; a stalemate at best.
God help us if we have to now with the lowering of standards to such a great degree for recruits.
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2022, 03:38:56 AM
Preparing to mine and burn coal in vast quantities, breathing in pollution, drinking polluted water, smoking and preparing for a (short) lifetime of manufacturing products for the rest of the world while living under an oppressive disctatorship (with its own agenda) occasionally interspersed by varied local cultural events like the Yulin let's-boil-live-dogs-to-death-because-the-meat-of-distressed-animals-tastes-better festival. So nothing admirable, basically.
And yet so many of the “free world’s” leaders look a blind eye to all of the horrible things that happen to the Chinese people. Business deals and getting rich are more important….
China, one of the most powerful members of the UN…disgusting isn’t it?
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: nrshida on April 15, 2022, 06:23:23 AM
And yet so many of the “free world’s” leaders look a blind eye to all of the horrible things that happen to the Chinese people. Business deals and getting rich are more important….
China, one of the most powerful members of the UN…disgusting isn’t it?
I see global human society as that big old steam train in Back to the Future 3. We all know the bridge is out, and some people are in the back, screaming. They'd quite like to get off, but the train's going so fast now they can't and are inevitably dragged towards the abyss as well. We are all dragged along by this great, mindless machine and are forced to serve it. No one can remember getting on or why it is this way. Moving forward and forgetting everything that went behind is the main thing. Some people have pushed their way to the front and keep shovelling on the coal (well they get someone else to do the actual work for them, obv.), and the people in the middle are sort of wriggling on the horns of dilema, because they're still going really fast, moving forward, which is a good thing, but they can't see where they're going. But the buffet is nice and the coffee hot, plus they've all got iPhones, the latest model. The people in the front can see the abyss too but they're in control after all and in front of everyone else. They've heard the concerns of those to the rear but they're rather quiet and besides, they're focussed on shoveling on the coal, adding momentum because it was hard to get to that position and therefore just and they think if they can just get this heap up to 88-m.p.h....
Yes the gift of vision and foresight. How I envy poor old Violator :rofl
Happy Friday :rock
Title: Re: Marijuana legalization. What's your stance?
Post by: zack1234 on April 15, 2022, 08:31:20 AM