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Title: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 10, 2022, 02:27:15 PM
14 years since I last played.  Makes me essentially a newbe..
Retired in December and decided to give this game another shot.
New computer that handles this game easily.

On the second tour and being new I see why it's hard to grow the player base.
This game has a large learning curve. With many veterans. if you like to mix it up
you as I do, you are going to get your bellybutton handed to you the vast majority of time.

 Having once been a veteran I know it will take months to get back up to speed. If I hadn't
been there, I would have quit during the first tour. Crap I couldn't even land...

and... my gunnery sucks..

Being it is hard to find a fight I was thinking of the option of killing tool sheds but where is the
bomber info on setting runs up, calibrating bomb sites ???

Thought about tanks but where is the info on spawn points, load outs etc etc etc ???

I'm a furballer in a land of base takers.

If I want to kill tool sheds, how many tool sheds have to be blown up in the town ???

There IS NO INFO ON TAKING A BASE, KILLIN TOOL SHEDS, SETTING UP A BOMBER......

MY GUNNERY SUCKS !!!!!!

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Mongoose on March 10, 2022, 03:07:37 PM
Here is a page with basic instructions from the Hitech site:

https://www.hitechcreations.com/support/support-help

Here is a page with some basic stuff that I wrote once upon a time:

http://kentwoodstation.com/NewPilots/NewPilotsStart.html

Most of your answers will probably be in one of these sites, especially the first one.

Then come back here with any questions, and we can fill in the gaps.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: oboe on March 10, 2022, 03:33:07 PM
Glad to have you back, nopoop!   :cool:
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: SIK1 on March 10, 2022, 03:48:13 PM
AH has become a small pond with a bunch of big sharks. Yes it is very difficult for a new player to get a rewarding experience when first starting out. That being said new players rarely reach out for help. In the last couple of years I've seen more seasoned players seek assistance with the game than I have had new players.

For me gunnery is a highly perishable skill, and unfortunately I don't fly enough to keep that skill up to any proficient level. So your safest place is to be out in front of me. The other skills I struggle with because of reduced activity is judging E, and timing.

My favorite part of AH is FSO, and scenarios, and they are starting a new scenario next Saturday (3/19) at 2100 est. So come join us for the "Road to Berlin" scenario, and if you would like to check out FSO I can help you with that as well.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Shuffler on March 10, 2022, 04:36:54 PM
14 years since I last played.  Makes me essentially a newbe..
Retired in December and decided to give this game another shot.
New computer that handles this game easily.

On the second tour and being new I see why it's hard to grow the player base.
This game has a large learning curve. With many veterans. if you like to mix it up
you as I do, you are going to get your bellybutton handed to you the vast majority of time.

 Having once been a veteran I know it will take months to get back up to speed. If I hadn't
been there, I would have quit during the first tour. Crap I couldn't even land...

and... my gunnery sucks..

Being it is hard to find a fight I was thinking of the option of killing tool sheds but where is the
bomber info on setting runs up, calibrating bomb sites ???

Thought about tanks but where is the info on spawn points, load outs etc etc etc ???

I'm a furballer in a land of base takers.

If I want to kill tool sheds, how many tool sheds have to be blown up in the town ???

There IS NO INFO ON TAKING A BASE, KILLIN TOOL SHEDS, SETTING UP A BOMBER......

MY GUNNERY SUCKS !!!!!!


I can see you still don't give a crap... nopoop.  :D   :aok    :rofl
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Dichotomy on March 10, 2022, 09:43:22 PM
14 years since I last played.  Makes me essentially a newbe..
Retired in December and decided to give this game another shot.
New computer that handles this game easily.

On the second tour and being new I see why it's hard to grow the player base.
This game has a large learning curve. With many veterans. if you like to mix it up
you as I do, you are going to get your bellybutton handed to you the vast majority of time.

 Having once been a veteran I know it will take months to get back up to speed. If I hadn't
been there, I would have quit during the first tour. Crap I couldn't even land...

and... my gunnery sucks..

Being it is hard to find a fight I was thinking of the option of killing tool sheds but where is the
bomber info on setting runs up, calibrating bomb sites ???

Thought about tanks but where is the info on spawn points, load outs etc etc etc ???

I'm a furballer in a land of base takers.

If I want to kill tool sheds, how many tool sheds have to be blown up in the town ???

There IS NO INFO ON TAKING A BASE, KILLIN TOOL SHEDS, SETTING UP A BOMBER......

MY GUNNERY SUCKS !!!!!!

I remember you I'd say 'welcome back' but I'm not back myself yet.  I've got a timetable to get back and I'm working on it.  You'll get that gunnery back dude.  Just practice.  I remember you being pretty good back in the day :)
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 11, 2022, 12:46:09 AM
Dichotomy at my very best I was average.  SA is coming around. Reversals are coming around, but I can't hit sh*t.
Even an assist once in awhile. ....would be nice.

Very frustrating. But it's fun when I find the fight. I shoot my clip of bullets, miss everything I shoot at, do the pilot thingy and sometimes survive.

As long as it's a fight.

Flew a bomber mission today. I dozed off...

Last bomber mission for me..

I was almost overcome with excitement..

The tool sheds are safe when I'm around. Come to think of it, so are the enemy planes.

because....

I CAN'T HIT SH*T !!!!!
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Mako- on March 11, 2022, 01:57:43 AM
Took me a year of playing with convergences in the different planes I fly to finally hit between 7-14% coming from another sim, 3% in the beginning. I tell my sqd members what I use when they ask but follow that with the, "this is what works for me at the distance/sight picture I use", so don't expect to plug my numbers in and watch them fall out of the sky :)
Go into the training arena or offline and pull up the target and set it at where you normally engage the enemy, say 400 or closer or whatever then see where they land and adjust convergence from there. It's /.target 400 to set it for 400 in front of you. Zoom in and check the hits. Add or subtract by 25 and dial it in. 50 cals, various 20mm add even more fun to the solution. Then hit the melee and watch it not work because no one flys straight and level  :joystick: adjust some more and hope it works out.

Deflection shooting, whole nuther guessing game there.  :bhead
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 11, 2022, 06:40:09 AM
This is a game of skill that with time and practice one becomes better at it..

Seems to me these days that many/majority of younger players don't have the patience for that ... they just want to buy their way to the top without putting in the time and energy needed..

They don't stick it out as they do not get immediate satisfaction and they don't have the patience to change that..

Not sure that there's a fix for that

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Shuffler on March 11, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
This is a game of skill that with time and practice one becomes better at it..

Seems to me these days that many/majority of younger players don't have the patience for that ... they just want to buy their way to the top without putting in the time and energy needed..

They don't stick it out as they do not get immediate satisfaction and they don't have the patience to change that..

Not sure that there's a fix for that

Eagler

Probably why you hear about a shooting .... there were 35 shell casings.... lucky no one was hit.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: VWExx1 on March 11, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
I agree, your gunnery sucks!
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 11, 2022, 03:42:10 PM
If I have a straight on shot, I get the yips so bad I'm shooting at the western
 hemisphere, not a plane. Really....

If I get to the position of inside the turn of the enemy (Every sortie) being I fly a Spit V most of the time. He's under my nose and I can't for the life of me get the lead down, or I'm wrong in where he will cross or pop out from under my nose.

THATS the lead I want to get down. Happens multiple times a sortie cuz everyone is flying late war and I can out turn most, but just can't convert..

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 11, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
I agree, your gunnery sucks!

See ???? See ??? I TOLD YOU IT SUCKS..
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 11, 2022, 04:04:26 PM
Nopoop are you using vr?

That is the best way to shoot better IMO .. it worked for me

Deflection shots are much easier..some surprise me when they hit :)

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 11, 2022, 04:24:43 PM
Thinking of track IR. What you think Eagler ?
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: The Fugitive on March 11, 2022, 05:37:33 PM
Thinking of track IR. What you think Eagler ?

TrakIR is good, VR is better, MUCH better.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 11, 2022, 06:03:12 PM
TrakIR is good, VR is better, MUCH better.

Not goin there. Im 1800 in now. Another buck and a half is doable  :azn:
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: oboe on March 11, 2022, 07:11:56 PM
I found TrackIR to be a significant improvement over hat switch use, but the change in game experience when using VR is almost indescribable.  My jaw stayed on the floor for a full 10 minutes when I first tried it.

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: The Fugitive on March 11, 2022, 08:16:13 PM
Not goin there. Im 1800 in now. Another buck and a half is doable  :azn:

Add another buck and a half to that first buck and a half and you have VR   :devil
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 12, 2022, 05:57:33 AM
Most of us went from hat switch only to trackir which improves 2d tracking greatly

VR expands the experience into 3d so you get a much better feel where you are in the actual space which in an a2a sim can be incredible

It makes it very hard if not impossible to go back to a monitor for me...even a LG 34UC79G-B 34-Inch 21:9 Curved UltraWide IPS Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: oboe on March 12, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
It is really hard to convey the experience with just words.   Everything we say about it is true, but still doesn't describe it well enough.

It's like the difference between watching the Rose Bowl at home on New Year's Day on a 22" TV, or actually being right there on the field with the players as the game is played.

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Spikes on March 12, 2022, 07:36:43 AM
It is really hard to convey the experience with just words.   Everything we say about it is true, but still doesn't describe it well enough.
This is exactly it. After putting some VR film into the Scenario promo, I look at it and think wow that looks cool, but it's still nothing like having the headset on.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: DaddyAce on March 12, 2022, 08:32:34 AM
VR is flipping amazing, a huge step up in immersion!
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: oboe on March 12, 2022, 09:28:14 AM
One of things so amazing about VR is how canopy frames no longer 'block' your view.  We used to have to set our head position carefully in each view for each plane to minimize any interference from the canopy bracing.   With TrackIR, you can change your head elevation to try to see around the bracing, but with VR it's absolutely natural and amazing how your mind processes minimal head movements to see 'around' the braces.   It's just exactly like real life.  No more blind spots.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: mERv on March 12, 2022, 05:53:49 PM
This is why I need to out together some bomber instructional videos . . .
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Dichotomy on March 13, 2022, 09:51:01 PM
Dichotomy at my very best I was average.  SA is coming around. Reversals are coming around, but I can't hit sh*t.
Even an assist once in awhile. ....would be nice.

Very frustrating. But it's fun when I find the fight. I shoot my clip of bullets, miss everything I shoot at, do the pilot thingy and sometimes survive.

As long as it's a fight.

Flew a bomber mission today. I dozed off...

Last bomber mission for me..

I was almost overcome with excitement..

The tool sheds are safe when I'm around. Come to think of it, so are the enemy planes.

because....

I CAN'T HIT SH*T !!!!!

When I get back we can go to the TA together and you can use me for target practice my friend.  Did my taxes today.  Looks like my return might be a bit expedited.  Just depends on if one of these two computers can handle it while I save up for my gaming rig.  I'll let you know. :)
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 13, 2022, 10:26:28 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: guncrasher on March 13, 2022, 11:11:32 PM
word of advice for this first ordering track ir or vr. have a bucket ready or move puter to the bathroom. you will get dizzy unless you are not prone to motion sickness. but once you get over it.  totally different game.


semp
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: SPKmes on March 14, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
word of advice for this first ordering track ir or vr. have a bucket ready or move puter to the bathroom. you will get dizzy unless you are not prone to motion sickness. but once you get over it.  totally different game.


semp

I found when this when trying VR but this changed for me when I changed the IDP .... Made a huge difference with the brain feel
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2022, 12:38:42 PM
Play jet island on steamvr for a bit in vr and a game as smooth as ah will not bother you

3 years and 3 months of vr experience and I still feel jet Island after playing a bit and taking the headset off..

Like fishing offshore if you don't have sea legs...you will feel it after for a bit

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Dichotomy on March 15, 2022, 05:31:30 PM
TrakIR is good, VR is better, MUCH better.
  If my tax return turns out to be what it says it will it will certainly expedite my return by about 120 days.  That'll get my oculus, my ch gear then it's a matter of saving for for about 180 days for my gaming rig which I'm planning on dumping a toejam ton of money in.  And I'll still suck LOL
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: FupDuck on March 26, 2022, 07:16:53 PM
I, myself, am back after many years, 8 or so I guess, and I feel  your pain on the learning curve. I can't exactly say my gunnery sucks this time. It's more like my gunnery still sucks. Have yet to find how to make my mic work. What I can find about voice settings is that they are out of date. So if I don't talk to you, don't take it personal. I'd  rather fly than read up on voice settings.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Mothman on March 26, 2022, 09:15:39 PM
Like Eagler said, just put your time in and your will get better. Keep head on a swivel and do not rely on others to give you a check six. It's great when it happens but you are looking at a 40/60 split. All the best ~S~ Mothman  :airplane: 

Oh... side Note: if a hanger is camped do not come out 30+ times try 2-3 times if that doesn't work try another base. Seems like these days people get addicted to getting camped and scream on 200 why its a problem or blame Dale for the design flaw.  :bhead

Anyone know where the post it... heard Peanut was selling gear.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: JimmyD3 on March 26, 2022, 10:34:53 PM
Mothman

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=37989

Peanuts thread/........
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nrshida on March 27, 2022, 02:24:54 AM
and... my gunnery sucks..

Regarding shooting; it is more psychological than technical when you have the Yips. it is analogous to driving a car or motorcycle through fast, sweeping bends. Although there is a temporal decoupling in that you are driving to a point you already saw some time ago and are now looking through the subsequent curves, if you’ve preloaded your consciousness properly then a good driver can put the edge of his tyre within an inch of the apex, reliably at 60-m.p.h. say. That's extraordinary when you think about it.

The inverse is similarly true: hence the phenomenon of hitting a grid or man-hole cover on a wet road: if your consciousness is pre-loaded, ‘fixated’ with that then you will converge right to it even though you know logically it is a bad idea.

With aerial gunnery if you’ve become convinced you have bad gunnery then your subconsciousness will certainly help support your fixation. In archery they call this gold-shy. If you think you will miss you will to the point where some archers struggle to even aim at the gold (it’s yellow, but yellow shy-sounds like some executive relief game they play in Amsterdam on a Friday night for €146/hour).

I have an exercise for you. Next time you’ve found a fair fight, employed superior ACM to a high standard and have earned a nice, honest, no-pick shot opportunity, I want you to make your preparations as you normally would with the caveat that just a few moments (let’s say seven, not three) before you actually fire you close your eyes and squeeze the trigger calmly. 

So in other words you’ve lined up your shot, your gunsight is converging to the point or path in space you know is correct, you are peripherally tracking your target flying into that point / path,  you can and you see or feel a shooting solution unfolding, relax knowing you've done all the work diligently, close your eyes and squeeze the trigger when you feel is appropriate. Afterwards have a look what happened. You have nothing at all to lose since the method you're employing now is not working. Get rid of expectations.

There’s a second stage to this exercise involving sports Psychology including an explanation of how this comes to be but just go and give this a try for a week and let me know. I think you might find the experience interesting.

 :banana:

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Slade on March 27, 2022, 06:23:12 AM
Welcome back!

This AH Wiki might help: http://oracledba.help/app/ww2planes (http://oracledba.help/app/ww2planes)
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 27, 2022, 07:28:00 AM
I find flying and shooting where they will be helps

Sometimes your lead has to be adjusted due to many factors

Many of my kills are blind shots shooting where they should be by estimating their flight path and speed

VR made this 20x easier for me

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: nopoop on March 27, 2022, 01:49:18 PM
I've noticed an improvement in gunnery. Slight  but  an  improvement none the less.  My yips are in deadon six shots. If the first shot is off, the yips  commence

Tracking shots, no yips. But finding my lead is no where enough most of the time. That and I guess wrong where the con will pop out. Getting better tho...
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Reschke on March 31, 2022, 12:31:39 PM
It makes it very hard if not impossible to go back to a monitor for me...even a LG 34UC79G-B 34-Inch 21:9 Curved UltraWide IPS Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate

So let me ask this question about monitors in the game and SA. VR vs TrackIR and what are the pros vs cons in a game like AH, DCS, etc...? Especially where situational awareness is very necessary. Hell I remember my first fights way back in Air Warrior days and how I didn't know where anyone was until I was hanging in a chute.

I haven't played in almost as much time as nopoop; I have a 49" Samsung gaming monitor and love it when I am playing DCS occasionally with TrackIR. I feel like VR might get me lost; especially since I don't want to drop the $$$ on it since I have a nice TrackIR setup with a wireless IR portion mounted on my headset. I don't mind getting my teeth kicked down my throat in the game for a bit but I definitely don't want to have to drop another few hundred bucks on equipment until I feel it is necessary.

Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Eagler on March 31, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
I was using trackir on my 34" monitor before going vr

You lose resolution in vr but not sa

AH still uses hat views with vr where dcs and il2 do not

The feeling of being inside the cockpit,  the razor edge fights possible more than make up the loss of resolution IMO

Eagler
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: SIK1 on March 31, 2022, 01:44:34 PM
Resche, I'm one of the few that tried VR, and went back to tir.

VR is incredible with it's immersion. Sitting in the plane, and looking out at three dimensional planes is incredible. What killed VR for me was having to use a hat switch to look back, and trying to track the target without losing it.

I'm sure that I will be going back to VR in the future, as FoV improves, and maybe they make the view scalable, like it is in tir. For now I'm sticking with tir and a 43" 1440 monitor.

 :salute
Sik
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Spikes on March 31, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
So let me ask this question about monitors in the game and SA. VR vs TrackIR and what are the pros vs cons in a game like AH, DCS, etc...? Especially where situational awareness is very necessary. Hell I remember my first fights way back in Air Warrior days and how I didn't know where anyone was until I was hanging in a chute.

I haven't played in almost as much time as nopoop; I have a 49" Samsung gaming monitor and love it when I am playing DCS occasionally with TrackIR. I feel like VR might get me lost; especially since I don't want to drop the $$$ on it since I have a nice TrackIR setup with a wireless IR portion mounted on my headset. I don't mind getting my teeth kicked down my throat in the game for a bit but I definitely don't want to have to drop another few hundred bucks on equipment until I feel it is necessary.



VR is indescribable. There's just something about strapping into a cockpit and taking off and it's like you can reach out and touch the controls. After playing a decent amount of VR mode in AH and MSFS, I will say that I find MSFS to be more enjoyable, or maybe relaxing is the better term. That's just to your point about SA - AH requires more SA than puttering around in a Cessna 172.

My only 'gripe' is not having some sort of scalable head position where you don't have to literally look behind you to see behind you, but hey, realism. The hat switch trick helps a bit with this issue, just takes some getting used to.

I guess my other gripe is not really being able to drink while the headset is on. :)
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Shuffler on March 31, 2022, 03:59:41 PM
VR is indescribable. There's just something about strapping into a cockpit and taking off and it's like you can reach out and touch the controls. After playing a decent amount of VR mode in AH and MSFS, I will say that I find MSFS to be more enjoyable, or maybe relaxing is the better term. That's just to your point about SA - AH requires more SA than puttering around in a Cessna 172.

My only 'gripe' is not having some sort of scalable head position where you don't have to literally look behind you to see behind you, but hey, realism. The hat switch trick helps a bit with this issue, just takes some getting used to.

I guess my other gripe is not really being able to drink while the headset is on. :)

Wait.... what? Well that kills VR for me.  :furious
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Reschke on March 31, 2022, 04:16:01 PM
I guess my other gripe is not really being able to drink while the headset is on. :)

Well hell Spikes killed another VR sale. If I can't grab my stainless steel tumbler with Sapphire and Tonic and have a swig while playing a game I'll never buy one.
 :cheers: :airplane: :joystick:
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: oboe on March 31, 2022, 05:05:20 PM
Well hell Spikes killed another VR sale. If I can't grab my stainless steel tumbler with Sapphire and Tonic and have a swig while playing a game I'll never buy one.
 :cheers: :airplane: :joystick:

Could be time to check into the Camelbak hydration system....
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Arlo on March 31, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
I guess my other gripe is not really being able to drink while the headset is on. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/1qwc7XA.png)
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Spikes on April 01, 2022, 01:19:43 PM
Well hell Spikes killed another VR sale. If I can't grab my stainless steel tumbler with Sapphire and Tonic and have a swig while playing a game I'll never buy one.
 :cheers: :airplane: :joystick:
Hahah. A straw would work. I just found myself having to tilt my head way back to take a sip of a rocks glass. With my headset on I can just see out the nose gap a bit to grab the glass, etc.
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: The Fugitive on April 01, 2022, 03:57:34 PM
Hahah. A straw would work. I just found myself having to tilt my head way back to take a sip of a rocks glass. With my headset on I can just see out the nose gap a bit to grab the glass, etc.

Same here, only have lost one drink to some drunk knocking the glass over.   :bolt:
Title: Re: Oldtimer review on coming back
Post by: Shuffler on April 01, 2022, 04:33:06 PM
Hmmm have to rethink this as I drink my frozen margaritas with a straw. I actually bought some giant pixie sticks candy, dumped it out for the kids. Did this year's ago. The heavy plastic straw is large around. Just cut to desired lengths. Works great for ice drinks and dishwasher safe. They last forever.