Sounds like another MCAS, but I doubt that was equipped with it.
I don't really understand the final part where it regained alt and then dived back in. Maybe only half the wing came off? From the film, the part he filmed would be right after it regained alt. Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there.
If all is as it appears, truely devastating.
Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there.
Ya know that CCTV means there is no 'camera guy'.
The state of education and reading comprehension in Amerika is honestly appalling.
I'm not a professional inspector by any means, but I used to detail interior refits for everything from Lears to commercial jets. What I discovered fit with every other industry I have worked in. It doesn't matter if the business cooks chicken, fries burgers, or builds jets they all have the same issues. The head office incentivizes fast work, rapid pacing, and shortcuts, to the point that supervisors place great demands upon the crews. They say they have time to do the job correctly, but they don't. Time-based management has been a ticking time bomb since the 1980's.If you haven't seen the Netflix docu "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing", I highly recommend it. Basically exactly what you described.
Ya know that CCTV means there is no 'camera guy'.
The state of education and reading comprehension in Amerika is honestly appalling.
"They don't even teach Accounting in public school. I had to learn it myself."
They don't teach math in schools anymore?
I don't really understand the final part where it regained alt and then dived back in. Maybe only half the wing came off? From the film, the part he filmed would be right after it regained alt. Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there.
If all is as it appears, truely devastating.
It's not. It's a 737-800; not a MAX.
Funny, but you do realize that accounting is a specific and separate application of math, a little bit of a hurry to find something to criticize DmonSlyr for? For example 1 +1 = 2 vs ledger entries checks and balances, costs and margin
Just checking
I believe they stated it is a 737-89PAKA a 737-800.
AKA a 737-800.
Crush Boeing..what's left?
Eagler
The video I was watching of it did not say CCTV. Who do you think controls the schooling system in America, Doochebag? The same clowns that put masks on kids for 8 hours a day at school while they sit at their desks. It's the same education your country is getting because it's controlled by pretty much the same people. Of course its a total sham. All they care about is kids going to college to learn about theory. The same idiots who run the school system are the same idiots running the country into the ground. Least I become a high paid Controller though because I'm actually smart and jobs aren't really that dependent on public schooling. They don't even teach Accounting in public school. I had to learn it myself.
Shocking CCTV footage emerged on social media showing the jet racing vertically towards the ground today
Blah blah blah... let me quote the link above:
(That is stated several times)
It also looks like typical CCTV footage, a fixed camera.
Profile kinda/sorta looks like an Emergency Descent profile. Down from 30k to under 10k in roughly 2 minutes, which IMO is pretty fast even for an ED. But it's not an unusual thing to recover at 10k due to pax being able to breathe without oxygen masks at 10k.
So really high rate of descent down, attempt to level at 10k, go below it in the recovery due to high rate of descent, climb back towards 10k but then what?
Just speculation but one of the few reasons I can come up with for that profile.
Nobody knows nuthin' right now.
I didn't look at that link. But you don't have to be a dooch about it.
It it possible that they exceeded the max ft/min and sheered control surfaces or something made them inoperable?
Obviously just logical theories at this point. Hopefully we can avoid conspiracy theories so the thread stays open. :rolleyes:
Highly unlikely... it would take herculean force to hold the nose down in a jet when it would be trying naturally to pitch up.True...but all it took was a computer malfunction on the MAX.
True...but all it took was a computer malfunction on the MAX.
sorry, but the jumping to conspiracy theories triggers me.
No conspiracy theory here... yet ;) just stating I thought it was weird a camera caught the last 2 seconds of it in rural China. I guess they really do have cameras everywhere. :noid
True...but all it took was a computer malfunction on the MAX.
I was always under the impression that FAR 25 placed a maximum time limit to accomplish an ED from Max Certified altitude but all I have been able to find was this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207481/
Violator is an example of person that doesn't take their meds. He is a full on Qanon, tin foil hat wearing member. He believes Democrats are cannibalistic pedophiles and the word "Pasta" is a code word for these "pedophile cannibals".
He sees a vast conspiracy everywhere. If someone farts,, he believes it was because of some vast conspiracy to bring in the New World Order and eat babies.
True...but all it took was a computer malfunction on the MAX.
Bohemian Grove.
Do I know what really has taken place there and currently goes on, no.
Do you?
The accident airplane was not a MAX and has no MCAS system installed.Yes we've already determined that to be fact.
Bohemian Grove.
Do I know what really has taken place there and currently goes on, no.
Do you?
when companies switched from cash accounting to make up accounting is when I quit being an accountant. sorry I meant accrual accounting. which is the same as make up accounting.
and yes you do need to know a bit of math and algebra if you want to be an accountant. after all 2+2 = 4 is not always true.
semp
What the hell does this have to do with a plane crash
I recall Toad that you also fly (or flew) professionally as well?
Nothing that I flew could descend at any more than 8000 ft./min in full ED configuration. I never flew any of the 737's but the sailplane like wings on the NG version, I suspect it might struggle to get down in a hurry.
You can slow down or go down in a 737 but, not both at the same time. Despite its appearance, the 737 is very aerodynamically clean and slippery.
I believe most of the newer Boeings are like that. 250 KIAS, clean, idle thrust yields a typical max 1500fpm. No idea what the French jets do.
An interesting bit on the pilots: https://www.theepochtimes.com/pilots-mental-state-a-potential-cause-of-crash-of-chinas-eastern-airlines-flight-mu5735-expert-says_4373924.html
"...According to information made available to the public, Yang Hongda, the captain of the crashed plane, was only 32 years old with a total flight time of 6,709 hours, while Zhang Zhengping, the first co-pilot, was 59 years old with a total flight time of over 32,500 hours.
Gao said it is highly unusual for Yang to be the captain when he had only flown for less than 7,000 hours. According to the airline’s code of conduct, a senior like Zhang would be the captain, and Yang would be Zhang’s apprentice at best, Gao said, adding that this was counterintuitive and should be the other way around...."
The article didn't mention that on this flight. Apparently there had been an airline merger with Zhang coming in from the failing/failed company.The experienced copilot was actually at the successful company. The successful company was forced to merge with the company that was failing. The people running the failing company being placed in charge of the merged company.
If you've been in the biz very long, you've probably heard 100 How I Got Screwed In The Merger stories. They mention Zhang took a very large pay cut.
The article says the pilots that didn't like the merged list/new pay were doing some pretty out of bounds stuff like not landing at destination and returning to point of origin claiming wx, etc.
So there's some speculation this had something to do with that kind of stuff. Maybe we will see if China puts out the FDR and Voice Recorder data.
The experienced copilot was actually at the successful company. The successful company was forced to merge with the company that was failing. The people running the failing company being placed in charge of the merged company.